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Originally Posted by Raiku
No, look who I am playing with. You fail to see?
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I'm doing *exactly* the same thing as Rofl and Ekelon.
rollerbeetle racing highscore cheating?
Martin Alvito
I'm doing *exactly* the same thing as Rofl and Ekelon.
UnKn0wN415
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
You're not timing your speed buffs right. Plain and simple. Just because you don't understand how to do it doesn't mean it requires cheating to accomplish it.
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Raiku
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
Go look at the top 100 for a second and come back to the discussion, please.
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Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by Navaros
Anyhow, those who have figured that out are already just doing the same exact things as each other. No harm in destroying their "eliteness" of having this knowhow by opening it up to everyone else who hasn't yet figured it out via Obs Mode so that they can do the same thing. Figuring out how to do the race map in "the most perfectly exploitative way possible" is not a "respectable secret" that is worthy to be kept to a few "elite" players.
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2) It's a bit more complicated than you describe in that a good player also has to defend against early KDs, etc. to post a top time. But, as I noted in an earlier response: nothing good can come of an obs mode for this. It would just result in a lag-generating competition for the same line in each and every match.
I've played in matches with six good people in it. There was a glitch at the end of one of the previous rollerbeetle events, where people that were out there at the end of it could stay out there. Once the field dwindled to the serious players, no one could post a time. Everyone lagged everyone else out competing for the same line, and no one could post a top 100 score despite the fact that every match involved four or five players that were in the top 100 that weekend.
All an obs mode would do is respecify the luck element of posting a good time and make it even more dependent upon catching a run with a bunch of bad players in it. I fail to see how this improves the situation.
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by Raiku
Do you have any idea what the purpose of the two screen shots?
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Posting a top time with the Echo/SRB method in any individual run is completely luck-dependent. If you don't get the combo, you're screwed, because you commit all of your resources after the second checkpoint to hitting the boxes in the water as fast as you possibly can. Unless you get some extremely lucky powerups after that time, if you fail to combo you can't possibly post above a 450k.
However, if you're good, given a sufficiently large sample size of runs, eventually you post a good time using that method. Basic statistics.
The concept of sacrificing immediate resources (your long-term RPM bar) for the potential of immediate advantage (echo-SRB and a big lead) is analogous to a gambit in chess. In a gambit, you sacrifice material advantage for space and time advantage.
In any event, I've posted my share of 430's, and even 420's today. If you get KD spammed all match (which starts to happen when everyone and his aunt knows your name because you're at the top of the top 100 or have a lot of entries), you post bad times and there's nothing you can do about it. Harden Shell lasts for four seconds; there's 20-30 between most checkpoiints.
roflcopter ownage
1.Syncing does not help, and is very ineficient as martin said.
2. WE DO NOT USE HACKS
3. You don't need 5 supers, my best score, 482219, which i got last year, was achieved with only 1 echo and 1 super.
I perfer quality over quantity. Id rather be #1 than fill the board with scores.
2. WE DO NOT USE HACKS
3. You don't need 5 supers, my best score, 482219, which i got last year, was achieved with only 1 echo and 1 super.
I perfer quality over quantity. Id rather be #1 than fill the board with scores.
Raiku
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
Why yes, I do. You're complaining that there's a massive discrepancy between the 481k run and the low score posted in the run he was in with you.
Posting a top time with the Echo/SRB method in any individual run is completely luck-dependent. If you don't get the combo, you're screwed, because you commit all of your resources after the second checkpoint to hitting the boxes in the water as fast as you possibly can. Unless you get some extremely lucky powerups after that time, if you fail to combo you can't possibly post above a 450k. However, if you're good, given a sufficiently large sample size of runs, eventually you post a good time using that method. Basic statistics. The concept of sacrificing immediate resources (your long-term RPM bar) for the potential of immediate advantage (echo-SRB and a big lead) is analogous to a gambit in chess. In a gambit, you sacrifice material advantage for space and time advantage. In any event, I've posted my share of 430's, and even 420's today. If you get KD spammed all match (which starts to happen when everyone and his aunt knows your name because you're at the top of the top 100 or have a lot of entries), you post bad times and there's nothing you can do about it. Harden Shell lasts for four seconds; there's 20-30 between most checkpoiints. |
Even though ROFL-Ropter may be leet, he still win some and lose some> Though, I don't see him ever going to beat his #1 score again. And, I couldn't copy him on that game.
edit. Or the one from last year.
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
You don't need 5 supers, my best score, 482219, which i got last year, was achieved with only 1 echo and 1 super.
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roflcopter ownage
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
Yuris has a different method. I've seen him do it, and it's insane. (At the end of one of the prior beetle events, anyone that stayed out there could continue to play, so I literally raced against him for hours.)
Long and the short of it: he avoids water like the plague (including the water boxes) and spaces the speed buffs out VERY differently. He lags way behind at the beginning (saves Ram AND Dash out of the gate) and never uses the Ram/Dash method. Speed buffs are spaced way, way out. This returns very consistent 468+ times, and can post 480 if he gets lucky and catches an echo and a super from the two boxes he hits. EDIT: either a super or an echo from either box will post a top 100 time at present using that method. Personally, I'm not using it, because I'm swinging for the fences and the Holy Grail 484+ run. I . |
Horus
they should only alow one place in top 100 per person :/
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
Hmmmm, i may try that out. I wonder if he uses the same begining strategy as me. Overall with teh strategy i use, i get a lot less scores, but with good luck I get some really good ones, which is how i got 482,219 last year.
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Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep
Guess it looks i overlooked the speed restriction on the water and got to caught up with getting echo+srb. :-p
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Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by guardian of dragon temple
they should only alow one place in top 100 per person :/
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In a perfect world, this is true; in the real world, this involves reprogramming how these lists are calculated for all competitive missions, and that's costly. I doubt we'll see that result; further, I seriously doubt that anything will be given away this weekend for those that place in the top 100. The only time that anything was actually given away, it was publicly announced on the GW website that something would be given to those that finished in the top 100.
Since no announcement was made, I think we can safely infer that the prize for being in the top 100 is merely pride of accomplishment.
Navaros
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
It would just result in a lag-generating competition for the same line in each and every match.
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I'd say it's far more equitable to "out" the secret, and let there be lag.
Massive lag is a better tradeoff than leaving the vast majority of players SOL to be able to compete simply because they are not clued in to the best line.
Zahr Dalsk
I see the technically why of resigning causing Dishonour (the game is still continuing when you leave) but I wish they'd fix it. When I see one person leave the compass, I know I can't win, so why stay?
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by credit
It's beetle racing, just have fun!
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Feathermoore Rep
Hmm. I still can't post anywhere near 460k consistently. I can post 445k consisently, but theres spots that i just don't know how to keep up the speed. I can pretty much keep the rrpm above 50% altering my course from the home run swing route i was running. And the last half of 6-7 and 7-finish I really improved my speed there taking a different approach to that section. But if i hit it wrong in the between 6 and 7 it screws that up some and you looose significant speed going over those mounds.
But theres still the cave section thats slowing me down. Avoiding the water, I can pass everyone there, however someone tends to get off a odd-timed ram or spit rocks, and theres goes my speed. As well. The last hill is tricky. If you Ram over it to early for some reason if you dont make it far enough down the hill before it ends, your speed drops from 85%+ to less than half even though your going down hill. The slowest section by far with my altered route is now the spiral bridge. With just Dash and Ram, where in the world do you use them to keep up over 50% rrpm and avoiding being Ram'd or KD'd at the same time...Ill keep working on it. I did however just post a 450k time with 1 KDs and no SRBs, which is an improvement then before when i get kd'd.
Ok - I'm sorry but i have to edit for this. Currently Yuris has 45 (give or take a few as i may have missed one or added one) top 100 scores. That's just... insane and wrong.
But theres still the cave section thats slowing me down. Avoiding the water, I can pass everyone there, however someone tends to get off a odd-timed ram or spit rocks, and theres goes my speed. As well. The last hill is tricky. If you Ram over it to early for some reason if you dont make it far enough down the hill before it ends, your speed drops from 85%+ to less than half even though your going down hill. The slowest section by far with my altered route is now the spiral bridge. With just Dash and Ram, where in the world do you use them to keep up over 50% rrpm and avoiding being Ram'd or KD'd at the same time...Ill keep working on it. I did however just post a 450k time with 1 KDs and no SRBs, which is an improvement then before when i get kd'd.
Ok - I'm sorry but i have to edit for this. Currently Yuris has 45 (give or take a few as i may have missed one or added one) top 100 scores. That's just... insane and wrong.
Feathermoore Rep
I was wrong to sort of imply cheating, but really was more of something everyone else knows and i/everyone else doesn't see/realize/know yet about the course.
When everything goes flawlessly, your post realy fast times. Considering i jsut started a match, on accident, 17s late, i got second and a 440k score. Soo pretty much add 17s if everything had gone smooth and i started on time. Thats still only a 457k time, but thats with out a echo+srb.
When everything goes flawlessly, your post realy fast times. Considering i jsut started a match, on accident, 17s late, i got second and a 440k score. Soo pretty much add 17s if everything had gone smooth and i started on time. Thats still only a 457k time, but thats with out a echo+srb.
Uber Mass
i guess they just very experienced in doing it.... im a supernubb in beetleracing im happy if i make top3 of a race ^^... What bothers me tho why it doesnt display only their best record iso all records is much more fair for the rest of the players... But thats my 2 cents
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by Navaros
So...keep the most perfect exploitative spot on the map possible to use to get a top time, secret to a few elite players only to exploit, in order to prevent lag.
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Dark and I did in the first weekend, and we do nothing different than we did then.
If you blow the doors open and create an obs mode, you might as well give away the beetles by random lottery. If you hold things as they are, it becomes possible for additional players to figure out how to accomplish the objective of making top 100.
Do you think that I, or anyone else, told Yuris Sayuri or Ouija Board how to post times with their radically different method? What they produced is ingenuity. What you propose is a lottery. I know which I prefer. I won't begrudge the former if they hammer me out of the top 100 under the new rules by repeatedly posting better times than I can. I would begrudge the latter; random draw is boring and unimaginative.
UnKn0wN415
been doing some test run and notice I gotten more SRB when I save my echo...
dont know if that helps but my last 10 games, on the first 5 boxes I gotten an echo and in 3 of them gotten SRB on the next box...
dont know if that helps but my last 10 games, on the first 5 boxes I gotten an echo and in 3 of them gotten SRB on the next box...
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep
Currently Yuris has 45 (give or take a few as i may have missed one or added one) top 100 scores. That's just... insane and wrong.
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I don't think he'll dominate the top 100 quite as he is doing now when all is said and done; as more "old-school" runs post, they will push out his weaker runs. Also, he won't post the top time overall.
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by UnKn0wN415
been doing some test run and notice I gotten more SRB when I save my echo...
dont know if that helps but my last 10 games, on the first 5 boxes I gotten an echo and in 3 of them gotten SRB on the next box... |
1) Statistical anomaly
2) You fall further behind when you save the echo, and the chances of pulling an SRB go up because you are in 4th/5th/6th instead of 3rd/4th/5th. As with Mario Kart, you get better power ups when you are further behind.
Proff
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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart
I hope anet takes a look at those scores and not turn a blind eye. Maybe they should make it that you can only recieve one mini? If you happen to beat your old record it replaces the record instead, the old one erases.
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makosi
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
synching, then everyone else drops out
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It's a rumour and I can't back it up but it is plausible.
Feathermoore Rep
I feel like theres just something so big, i'm missing it. I can win races. Winning is easy. Posting fast times however....i feel like i'm staring at it, but still cant see it.
UnKn0wN415
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
Two possibilities:
1) Statistical anomaly 2) You fall further behind when you save the echo, and the chances of pulling an SRB go up because you are in 4th/5th/6th instead of 3rd/4th/5th. As with Mario Kart, you get better power ups when you are further behind. |
forgot about Mario Kart theory, used to love staying in the back and mess around...
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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep
I feel like theres just something so big, i'm missing it. I can win races. Winning is easy. Posting fast times however....i feel like i'm staring at it, but still cant see it.
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Lykan
You might say its luck with boxes and timing but with that amount of appearences on the board yuris is getting 470+ every time and he is beating old scores. That really must be some good luck. Maybe its lucky aura.
Not one match he gets blocked or kd'd?
Can't help being suspicious.
Not one match he gets blocked or kd'd?
Can't help being suspicious.
Navaros
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
If you blow the doors open and create an obs mode, you might as well give away the beetles by random lottery. If you hold things as they are, it becomes possible for additional players to figure out how to accomplish the objective of making top 100.
Do you think that I, or anyone else, told Yuris Sayuri or Ouija Board how to post times with their radically different method? What they produced is ingenuity. What you propose is a lottery. I know which I prefer. I won't begrudge the former if they hammer me out of the top 100 under the new rules by repeatedly posting better times than I can. I would begrudge the latter; random draw is boring and unimaginative. |
The ingenuity skills required to uncover the best way to exploit game mechanics on the map should not be the "skills" that are most respected and reward-worthy in regards to rollerbeetle racing. Everyone is not on an even playing field that way. Making the playing field even by outing all the secrets, and then letting actual skill in performing the secrets within the race gameplay determine the winner - those are legitimate gameplay skills that should be respected and fairly determine & reward the winner. Yes the results would be random, but random results in which the whole playerbase has a chance to fairly compete with each other on an even playing field is a lot better than how it is now.
Im Using The Force
480+ on only 2 supers huh?
Ill believe it when I see it.
Ill believe it when I see it.
Horus
i wish Anet would add rollerbeetle racing as a hall service or someting, so you can race with your friends for fun... like another 100k upgrade. it would so rock to have it to race with guildies/friends or something, might be different track so you cant practice curent one...
anyway, i highly doubt its possible to get 480k+ with 2 SRB only, i got them and was only at around 460k :P (i know, i sux)
anyway, i highly doubt its possible to get 480k+ with 2 SRB only, i got them and was only at around 460k :P (i know, i sux)
Solas
if we could spectate matches like in HA matches etc. we would get a better understanding, and if it is luck+ skill they shouldn't mind because kill can't be immatated
also mini's should have been to top 100 unique entrants
also mini's should have been to top 100 unique entrants
MoriaOrc
I've gotten 467k a couple times with only 2 SRB (actually 1+echo). I usually do bad in whichever stretch I don't get one in: Tunnel, Hairpin, Loop. I'll buy that someone who gets out with a really strong start and knows how to maintain speed in those areas better then me (not too hard) could get 470k+ on 2 SRB, but the top top times seem like a little extra luck with a third SRB.
N E D M
ive had 4 srb in a row and still failed to break 470
tw1tchdp
So far i havn't been able to get anything done because massive amounts of noobs like to KD and win 7 stupid tokens.... But stay on the damn path and dnt go in the water. save your boxes you get on lnd till you have both echo and super and you shuold be able to get a great time... if your lucky the last box you get you will get another super and you shuold be set!
Kashrlyyk
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I wish you could Practice the Map so that you could see if it is possible to get that fast while no one else is stopping you
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Originally Posted by Ancient Menace
Solve this problem by giving us observer mode in Roller Beetle Races. That way, if they are cheating, it'll be blatantly obvious to everyone. If they aren't and know some super secret shortcut that magically only they know, then everyone will know and they won't have the corner on the market (top 100).
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Rexion
they shouldn't allow people to have 10+ scores on the top 100 list..
it should be 1 top score per account. that way more people will get the mini pet from the event, and less QQ will happen.
it should be 1 top score per account. that way more people will get the mini pet from the event, and less QQ will happen.
N E D M
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Originally Posted by Rexion
they shouldn't allow people to have 10+ scores on the top 100 list..
it should be 1 top score per account. that way more people will get the mini pet from the event, and less QQ will happen. |
I'm suprised nobody suggested this already...
Tarkin
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Originally Posted by N E D M
ive had 4 srb in a row and still failed to break 470
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Tarkin
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Originally Posted by Rexion
they shouldn't allow people to have 10+ scores on the top 100 list..
it should be 1 top score per account. that way more people will get the mini pet from the event, and less QQ will happen. |