*Frantically searches wiki*
Damnit ekelon
rollerbeetle racing highscore cheating?
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Chestnut
Honestly, I know the tricks.. but even though its not cheating its stull pretty much damn blind luck to get a top 100 spot.
Nor
wut are the tricks ? 
pd: pm me if u want
pd: pm me if u want
Risus
Here is the trick. Avoiding KD's, using Ram+Harden Shell at the right moments, and luck. Even X Ekelon X would score <450k if he got bad boxes.
They score high when they get lucky and can Echo-> Super Rollerbeetle twice.
I know cause I placed quarterly with my friends in the Dragon Festival 2007...shame I didn't this Canthan New Year
They score high when they get lucky and can Echo-> Super Rollerbeetle twice.
I know cause I placed quarterly with my friends in the Dragon Festival 2007...shame I didn't this Canthan New Year
Nor
ive seen sayuri in two race one made 462k and another 460k (i knoced him once) and he overun all of us by using ram by alot and i still cant tell how he does it, oh and he doesnt get the 2 boxes that are very near in the water , strange @_@
RabidCoqui
I know there's a trick, mind you not cheating, because I was in a race against ROFL and he just stopped and waited for us to catch him right before the spiral bridge. After we passed him, we were through spiral and he was at checkpoint right before it, he started after us and even though I knocked him down once he still easily passed us without using sups. I have no idea how he did it since all I saw him use was dash and ram but he did... I believe the top players are just good and have figured out the best places to use the skills.
BTW I've gotten in the low 470s several times so I'm not exactly new at this... not saying I'm that good either... just average.
BTW I've gotten in the low 470s several times so I'm not exactly new at this... not saying I'm that good either... just average.
sj1608
I've been racing for about 2 days straight now...and my best time was 459k.
I see people on the High score list with over 480+ and im just wondering wtf.
I really do believe that this race involves a high level of skill and experience but honesty, 480k+? How? I'm just wondering wtf A.Net is doing to see if these people are really legit. If you ask me, i think there IS some kind of map exploit, or box exploit, because sometimes i run throught a box, it falls apart and somehow i manage to get no power. I think the maps are glitchy in general and that people with some kind of box exploit or wall exploit are on the high score list. im just confused at how people are getting these scores....im not Q.Q or anything but you have to admit, it's strange.
I see people on the High score list with over 480+ and im just wondering wtf.
I really do believe that this race involves a high level of skill and experience but honesty, 480k+? How? I'm just wondering wtf A.Net is doing to see if these people are really legit. If you ask me, i think there IS some kind of map exploit, or box exploit, because sometimes i run throught a box, it falls apart and somehow i manage to get no power. I think the maps are glitchy in general and that people with some kind of box exploit or wall exploit are on the high score list. im just confused at how people are getting these scores....im not Q.Q or anything but you have to admit, it's strange.
Nor
not only sayuri used ramp just right to the check point b4 going super fast , ive seen several racers doing it and thats how they are getting 46Xk of course they are waiting for a 8 + echo to get 47xk and maybe with 3 8s u get the 48xk , very suspicious this trick ill say
pd:and why there is a merchant in the track Oo
pd:and why there is a merchant in the track Oo
Polgara Val
Anyone have any idea when the rollerbeetle racing event is finished and what time there handing the prizes out to people?
Pol
Pol
Nor
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Anyone have any idea when the rollerbeetle racing event is finished and what time there handing the prizes out to people?
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pd: there is a trick at the begining of the course to start with the rrppm at the middle you gotta put at a certain angle and it gives you a pretty good boost
Horseman Of War
Ive gotten plenty of 450+ scores this weekend.
You have to be very lucky with super rollerbeetle and echo + no knockdowns to get higher than that.
You have to be very lucky with super rollerbeetle and echo + no knockdowns to get higher than that.
papryk
my best was 468k with echo+super and 1 kd
so u need no kd + 3 super to make ~480k
so u need no kd + 3 super to make ~480k
Numa Pompilius
Is it even possible to get no kd's unless you synch-enter with friends?
In an average race I'll get shot down/zapped 3-4 times, my record was 8 times in one race. I don't think I ever completed a race without being kd'd at least once.
In an average race I'll get shot down/zapped 3-4 times, my record was 8 times in one race. I don't think I ever completed a race without being kd'd at least once.
MoriaOrc
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Is it even possible to get no kd's unless you synch-enter with friends?
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- Sometimes other players will volunteer to have a "Clean race" (usually other people looking to get a top-100). If you get enough of these in a match, it's fairly likely you won't get KDed after the first checkpoint.
- If you can break away from the "Herd" quickly, most players won't bother you. Once your off radar range, they can't even hit you anymore.
- Smart use of shields will cover the mostly likely times to get hit (right as the herd picks up a new box, or in the tight corners when they can come back into radar range).
- Starting as certain colors (blue is the best in my experience) makes it much easier to avoid an early KD before the first checkpoint.
- Don't provoke people by unnecessarily knocking them down (at least, that would work against me ).
- Sometimes, even when all else fails, you just get really really lucky.
Sword
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ive seen sayuri in two race one made 462k and another 460k (i knoced him once) and he overun all of us by using ram by alot and i still cant tell how he does it, oh and he doesnt get the 2 boxes that are very near in the water , strange @_@
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my best was 468k with echo+super and 1 kd
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Is it even possible to get no kd's unless you synch-enter with friends?
In an average race I'll get shot down/zapped 3-4 times, my record was 8 times in one race. I don't think I ever completed a race without being kd'd at least once. |
getting a top score involves high rrpm throughout the match - thus with the majoirty of top players strategies, we are out of range of attacks after about 50 seconds. Similarily good players know when to shell to avoid being attacked in the beginning of the race where "noobs" tend to reign terror on anything near them
LeoX
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pd: there is a trick at the begining of the course to start with the rrppm at the middle you gotta put at a certain angle and it gives you a pretty good boost
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Lain Akazukin
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True that, happened a few times to me. You get like a 45-50% rrpm. I usually get it but not at the right time as i don't know how exactly to do it, so i just head off with the normal rrpm.
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LeoX
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Yeah, even though I've raced many many times I still don't understand how to control this superstart. I've been able to start this way only about two or three times in all of my races, and those definitely weren't among my best times.
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But yes i see your point about it not giving you a high score, i was just elaborating about the fast start ^^
Solas
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Or... maybe all those other accounts are his too!! OMG secret conspiracy he is taking all the minipets!
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It would be easier to believe they were using exploits as it would justify there score and make people feel better, chances are tho that they have practiced over and over again and learned the track.
while others have raced to win they raced to explore, see what areas yeild the best rrpm return and have learned the track.
i have'nt had the pleasure to see any of the top 100 in action yet, and the best score i've attained so far was x51, w/e the 1st digit is, so to me people with scores on this forum of x70 seem high, sho9uld i point my finger and shout exploiter?, since i dont know facts i should say not, but speculation keeps people on there feet.
if anything this thread has inspired me to rollerbeetle,wont get far but i can try:P
Martin Alvito
Small changes in what you do lead to BIG changes in results.
This is the fact that most players don't understand. Change 3-4 things that you're doing, and a 460 run with the combo becomes a 480. They're subtle things, but they're essential.
The spiral bridge after the fifth checkpoint is the graveyard of good times. If you don't carry sufficient momentum through that segment, you're going to post a poor time. If you use too many speed buffs through that segment, you'll lose huge time on the beach.
Sorting this problem out is the key to posting good times.
A lag-free connection also helps. I've been posting a lot of 473-476 times due to a particularly laggy connection this weekend. It doesn't take much; if you're pinging 300, it'll take a few seconds off your times no matter what you do.
This is the fact that most players don't understand. Change 3-4 things that you're doing, and a 460 run with the combo becomes a 480. They're subtle things, but they're essential.
The spiral bridge after the fifth checkpoint is the graveyard of good times. If you don't carry sufficient momentum through that segment, you're going to post a poor time. If you use too many speed buffs through that segment, you'll lose huge time on the beach.
Sorting this problem out is the key to posting good times.
A lag-free connection also helps. I've been posting a lot of 473-476 times due to a particularly laggy connection this weekend. It doesn't take much; if you're pinging 300, it'll take a few seconds off your times no matter what you do.
Martin Alvito
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Of course it's possible. Here's a few examples:
Sometimes other players will volunteer to have a "Clean race" (usually other people looking to get a top-100). If you get enough of these in a match, it's fairly likely you won't get KDed after the first checkpoint. |
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If you can break away from the "Herd" quickly, most players won't bother you. Once your off radar range, they can't even hit you anymore.
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Starting as certain colors (blue is the best in my experience) makes it much easier to avoid an early KD before the first checkpoint.
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Another trick: if you identify a noob (someone reveals this in local, or is a slow loader), cramp that gate on your start. You'll eliminate a threat with your ram and avoid getting knocked down by the player on your other side, permitting you to save your shield to defend against "noob" rams used at poor times for the purpose of KD-ing people.
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Sword
nice tips martin - although personally ive never made attempts to desych people - i focus on pulling ahead and avoiding kd to the best of my ability at start - but i defiantly use the other concepts youve mentioned on every race.
When you stop thinking about how to beat your opponent with KDs and focus on beating him with speed and knowledge of rrpm and the course you will find yourself with better scores quickly
When you stop thinking about how to beat your opponent with KDs and focus on beating him with speed and knowledge of rrpm and the course you will find yourself with better scores quickly
LeoX
Yeah when i lead and am at a distance i always target the leader. That's the one that's closer to you, and also if he gets knocked down there's a chance the other behind will bump into him.
TheHaxor
Martin Alvito is a dirty rotten cheater. This piece of scum should be eliminated. We should all conspire to assassinate this piece of trash. He is obviously cheating because he posts better times than I do. It couldn't possibly be that he is better at the game than I am, therefore he is a dirty, rotten cheater. I bet he's a Patriots fan and takes steroids, also. What a dbag.
diaf Martin Alvito
P.S. I'm going to eat your children.
diaf Martin Alvito
P.S. I'm going to eat your children.
Martin Alvito
Crawl back under your bridge, Hax. 
Stoneys Rock
starting to feel very sorry for top 100 racers. Perma (do not disturb) anyone? Must be annoying to be constantly pmed if people see your name on big flashy lights :P
Martin Alvito
It was worse last year when I was at the top and had a ton of times. I can appreciate what Yuris probably goes through.
EDIT: It got REALLY bad after the beetles were given out. Almost all of those PMs were in something that vaguely resembled, but was not, English. I eventually created a PvP toon named "No W T S Beetle" and left it idle.
EDIT: It got REALLY bad after the beetles were given out. Almost all of those PMs were in something that vaguely resembled, but was not, English. I eventually created a PvP toon named "No W T S Beetle" and left it idle.
shar-planinac
hi all, first of all sorry for my english
how can this happen?
in my last run (i have screenshots to prove everything, with thier names) one guy told "his people" this: "yellow gank list" soon after race started.
2 or 3 of them didnt even race, just followed me and kept knocking me down.
if they gone away, they would came back and keep the same thing again and again. i dont care about one race. but isnt that some kind of cheating? ok, this is not bug using but cheating i am sure it is.
as i said before, i have screenshots with all of them facing me, not racing forward.
ok, maybe all guild came to RBR, trying to do one of them in top 100. and that is still kind of cheating. dont know who can i send screens or ask for answers.
thanks.
edit: ok i checked screens and all were members of same guild
how can this happen?
in my last run (i have screenshots to prove everything, with thier names) one guy told "his people" this: "yellow gank list" soon after race started.
2 or 3 of them didnt even race, just followed me and kept knocking me down.
if they gone away, they would came back and keep the same thing again and again. i dont care about one race. but isnt that some kind of cheating? ok, this is not bug using but cheating i am sure it is.
as i said before, i have screenshots with all of them facing me, not racing forward.
ok, maybe all guild came to RBR, trying to do one of them in top 100. and that is still kind of cheating. dont know who can i send screens or ask for answers.
thanks.
edit: ok i checked screens and all were members of same guild
MoriaOrc
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This just doesn't happen. Cooperating on not knocking one another down is a collective action problem with zero reputational costs, so these bargains aren't enforceable. Lots of good game theory stuff on these sorts of situations.
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I had this happen to the point where someone that could have KDed me (and obviously would have) didn't, maybe two or three times out of several hundred races. One of them lead to my only top-100 time though.
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Sword
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Martin Alvito is a dirty rotten cheater. This piece of scum should be eliminated. We should all conspire to assassinate this piece of trash. He is obviously cheating because he posts better times than I do. It couldn't possibly be that he is better at the game than I am, therefore he is a dirty, rotten cheater. I bet he's a Patriots fan and takes steroids, also. What a dbag.
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lol????
yea martin same thing happened to me . 20+ PMs about wtb beetle, last year was much worse when i had several spots in the top 100.... Yuras must be getting spammed like crazy
Yayo Goldigger
The whole thing is pretty much based on luck. I didn't manage to get in the top 100, the only trick I know of is the double-ram...I think the rest is down to luck, and how skilled/lucky your opponents are in terms of kd's.
I sincerely don't believe anyone has found a way to cheat, I've raced against lots of those people in the top 100, and watched what they do, and it's no different to what I've been doing. I've been at this for one day, I've never had a go at this race before, and my scores were a consistant 460-465 without so much as one srb (providing I miss all the kd's).
My problem was I didn't have enough time on it to practice srb/echo's after checkpoint 5...that's where I always lost my speed.
I sincerely don't believe anyone has found a way to cheat, I've raced against lots of those people in the top 100, and watched what they do, and it's no different to what I've been doing. I've been at this for one day, I've never had a go at this race before, and my scores were a consistant 460-465 without so much as one srb (providing I miss all the kd's).
My problem was I didn't have enough time on it to practice srb/echo's after checkpoint 5...that's where I always lost my speed.
MirkoTeran
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The whole thing is pretty much based on luck. I didn't manage to get in the top 100, the only trick I know of is the double-ram...I think the rest is down to luck, and how skilled/lucky your opponents are in terms of kd's.
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Qwertyfied
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Could you shed some light on double-ram trick?
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evenfall
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Could you shed some light on double-ram trick?
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However, if you ram twice in rapid succession, the decay will be very much slower, so you actually maintain close to 100% rrpm for quite some time. (essentially half a super-roller).
(not too sure about this)In addition, during the decay, the speed is not affected by terrain, so if you time it right, you can go through water, slopes with minimal speed loss.
Yayo Goldigger
In other words you save your ram from the last checkpoint and use it right before the next, and then right after. Alot depends on where and when you use it though. And of course if you don't get kd 8 times in a row before you get a chance ><
Angelina Collins
Anet should reset the score board per event, then only allow a ppl 20 races per day and program the board to display ppl's top score only, not muliples.
Will they?
My answer is heck no, because they really don't care, and if they did, we would not be talking about this in the first place.
Will they?
My answer is heck no, because they really don't care, and if they did, we would not be talking about this in the first place.
MirkoTeran
Thanks evenfall and Yayo Goldigger for explaining.
One more question. How do you get RRPM waaaay up before starting? If you just move left/right you get it up to 20% or so. But a few times I somehow managed to get it up to 60. I have no idea how as I was just mashing keys more or less.
One more question. How do you get RRPM waaaay up before starting? If you just move left/right you get it up to 20% or so. But a few times I somehow managed to get it up to 60. I have no idea how as I was just mashing keys more or less.
Feathermoore Rep
Sigh, it figures I just needed time to get things on the right run. My learning curve was to slow. By the time i stopped racing i could average high 450ks without SRB. Sigh. I just got bored of racing over and over, looking for places to gain those precious seconds.
But GJ to all who posted times.
Maybe next year they will get the list right and make it a true top 100.
EDIT - I Knew about the starting gate glitch. I just couldn't consistently get it to work so I abandoned it for the dash out of the gate. Sub-200 ping ensures that you'll always get ram off first ;-)
However, the double ram glitch would have been nice to know about. Speaking of that, is that how you can get up and over the spiral bridge and maintain such speed? The best i found was either a SRB for the bridge, or a echo dash, because then you can maintain the speed all the way through the beach, with a dash saved for right before the checkpoint, and then a dash when it ends, and then ram, gets you all the way to final checkpoint, where you can immeadiately put up ram again. Wit that its very easy to maintain 75%+ rrpm from the spiral bridge all way to the finish....I think with the knowledge of the double-ram i pretty much just figured out how to alter my run to post top 100 or close times. *doh*
Oh well.
But GJ to all who posted times.
Maybe next year they will get the list right and make it a true top 100.
EDIT - I Knew about the starting gate glitch. I just couldn't consistently get it to work so I abandoned it for the dash out of the gate. Sub-200 ping ensures that you'll always get ram off first ;-)
However, the double ram glitch would have been nice to know about. Speaking of that, is that how you can get up and over the spiral bridge and maintain such speed? The best i found was either a SRB for the bridge, or a echo dash, because then you can maintain the speed all the way through the beach, with a dash saved for right before the checkpoint, and then a dash when it ends, and then ram, gets you all the way to final checkpoint, where you can immeadiately put up ram again. Wit that its very easy to maintain 75%+ rrpm from the spiral bridge all way to the finish....I think with the knowledge of the double-ram i pretty much just figured out how to alter my run to post top 100 or close times. *doh*
Oh well.
MoriaOrc
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Thanks evenfall and Yayo Goldigger for explaining.
One more question. How do you get RRPM waaaay up before starting? If you just move left/right you get it up to 20% or so. But a few times I somehow managed to get it up to 60. I have no idea how as I was just mashing keys more or less. |
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U Wanna Die
Well i was in a race with one of the top racers and he got a double srb and got a 562,000 so i figured he got lucky and got a high score. So i looked and he had like 3 out of the top 5 and i asked him how did he get double srb and he said that was his first one, then i said how do u get high scores and he responded that he knew when to use skills on the course. I could go the entire course alone and use the skills at the right time, but probably not even get a 470. Seriously isnt it obvious that something is up. How do they instantly go in after not racing for a year, and get these amazing scores.