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Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

11 Feb 2008 at 22:10 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by U Wanna Die

How do they instantly go in after not racing for a year, and get these amazing scores.

Most of us raced out tails off every weekend that the arena was open between last year's festival amd this one's. Not in the expectation of a reward, but just to improve and to try to post the fastest time ever posted.

EDIT: Gotta love guildies (see below post). This is what passes for humor in his book

TheHaxor

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

two

W/N

11 Feb 2008 at 22:13 - 242

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin AlCHEATER

Most of us shot up on steroids every weekend. We knew that would be a handsome reward. We did it because we are greedy a-holes

fix'ddddddddddddddd

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awwwww Martin you know we love your greedy ass

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

D/

11 Feb 2008 at 22:27 - 243

Quote:

Originally Posted by U Wanna Die

Well i was in a race with one of the top racers and he got a double srb and got a 562,000 so i figured he got lucky and got a high score. So i looked and he had like 3 out of the top 5 and i asked him how did he get double srb and he said that was his first one, then i said how do u get high scores and he responded that he knew when to use skills on the course. I could go the entire course alone and use the skills at the right time, but probably not even get a 470. Seriously isnt it obvious that something is up. How do they instantly go in after not racing for a year, and get these amazing scores.

You might think you are using the skills at the right time but how can you be so sure of that? Unless you manage to keep 100% RRPM the whole race but then you will get something like a 490k+ score. And I actually didn't know about the doubleram trick and didn't use it for my 481k time, so perhaps there's still room for improvement for me.

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

11 Feb 2008 at 22:50 - 244

All this is rather irrelevant now anyway the event is finished and most people will be playing gw 2 this time next year possibly

ObiWan07

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

11 Feb 2008 at 23:22 - 245

Anyone of the last years top 100 that got a second rollerbeetle?
I scored top 100 last year and this year but the npc saiz that I already got the award. (from last year sure)

I heard some people got a second one, so is it probably a problem that I scored top 100 with the same char as last year?

Eternal Sword FTW

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

GW...

Legend's Untold Secrets of Tyria [LUST]

W/

12 Feb 2008 at 00:04 - 246

Dam...I Know that the top 100 don't cheat and it's fine with me.
But, seriously Yuri needs to give ppl a chance at least Ouija and Roflcopter give others a chance and only put their name on the list 6x max (which is alrdy a lot)~Yuri, I need to say needs to get a life and needs to stop being a *********f**king hog and needs to actually let others geta mini beetle. I ADMIT he/she does have skill but his/her name is on the list like 100x, I think is a TID'bit unfair. ANd +Anet got a whole year to change the rollerbeetle system but they are fat LAZY and decide to stick to the PvP RA/HA system so that even if we get 1st and resign we HAVE DISHONORABLE! Thats just DUMB.

Yayo Goldigger

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

[Rage]

Mo/D

12 Feb 2008 at 00:15 - 247

I don't think it's fair to blame the people on the list. You can't expect them not to race just because they got on it. You get gamer points, lunar tokens, and not to mention it's the best part of the event =D

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

12 Feb 2008 at 00:24 - 248

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Most of us raced out tails off every weekend that the arena was open between last year's festival amd this one's. Not in the expectation of a reward, but just to improve and to try to post the fastest time ever posted.

"Not in expectation of a reward" ...yeah right! Expectation of a reward is exactly why all of the ~5 or so players clued in as to the most exploitative way to exploit the racing map to get a bunch of top 100 spots would refuse to explain how they did it. Telling other people how to exploit the map in an ideal way like they do would have ruined "those in the know"'s chances of a reward because then everyone else would be on an even playing field with them and able to compete for the prize.

Not letting others have any chance to get rewards (that they knew they would get instead since they are the only clued in ones who could compete for a prize) is the only reason they refused to let normal players compete on an even playing field by saying what to do.

griffinz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

British Columbia

The Lost Reign [SEEK]

Me/W

12 Feb 2008 at 01:42 - 249

We need justifications. Ekelon has justified, but what about the people who are up there on their high score all the time?
Are they cheating or not? If they are, then they should be punished. Somebody has to speak up for this, or the high score board occupiers should justify that he or she is not cheating.
I find it very unfair and frustrating to imagine that they are 'exploiting' to get that high score.
It's either that they have no life, or that they are cheating. This should be justified!

Nor

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

none yet :X

Me/N

12 Feb 2008 at 02:19 - 250

I can leave gw in peace (not today xD) , i was just SUPER curious what was that trick , i knew it that was someting to do with RAM , omg double RAM trick??
oh well even with my average 300 ping i wouldnt make it u.u.

now i just wanted to ask some1 from anet if the trick with the double RAM isnt a glitch?

cause if you use RAM twice you gotta have 4 seconds of it not like well you know...

anyway im a bit mad cause im sure i woulda make it to top 100 if the scoreboard just let 1 account be there , but oh well at least i keep the moutain of tokens i won u.u and the title :x, it just like dude i got sooo lucky once for having 3 supers after lots of races and couldnt be in the list u.u.

pd: Curse you sayuri for taking over the scoreboard O,..,O

Draikin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

12 Feb 2008 at 03:15 - 251

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nor

now i just wanted to ask some1 from anet if the trick with the double RAM isnt a glitch?

I don't see why it's a glitch. Ram boosts you to maximum speed for a brief moment and then drops you back to the speed you were the moment you used it. That means if you're at maximum RRPM the moment you use ram, you're indeed going to drop back to maximum RRPM after it ends. I'm more surprised that Lain could get a 481k time without even knowing this, which goes to show that there really aren't any special skill combos that you absolutely have to know in order to get top times.

Nor

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

none yet :X

Me/N

12 Feb 2008 at 03:25 - 252

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draikin

I don't see why it's a glitch. Ram boosts you to maximum speed for a brief moment and then drops you back to the speed you were the moment you used it. That means if you're at maximum RRPM the moment you use ram, you're indeed going to drop back to maximum RRPM after it ends. I'm more surprised that Lain could get a 481k time without even knowing this, which goes to show that there really aren't any special skill combos that you absolutely have to know in order to get top times.

the trick is about ur ram starts coming off slowly not at the 2 seconds , and for lain well idk , i just think that this didnt had to much complexity for bout using the right item at the right time , you know 20 seconds of gap for the average 440k racer is alot!.

oh well maybe its like mario kart that with the "EEEeees" you got speed boost or diddy kong racing that for putting breaks just b4 a yellow arrow gave u better boost , does kind of secret tricks ><, seeing that the races was kinda those games they took the tricky part from them too ><

CLS

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

E/

12 Feb 2008 at 04:45 - 253

First, I treat cheating like stealing, I need to see it before I openly say someone is. The difference in some scores in the list could be hinky but that isn't enough. (to me) Nothing wrong with people asking to see a vid or such from those they claim are, but that's asking them to prove they didn't do anything wrong without proving they did. Not providing that doesn't on it's own mean you're guilty. However, if you have no way to show proof like a vid what is that side to do... I agree with an observer mode and let people go from there(not to mention it will give me something to watch when I finally get to the point where I'm lucky/unlucky farming). Put that in, take out the /report as it's not working and fix that listing so no one feels shafted. Yeah I was also someone who was on the top 100 last year and was proud of that, till multiple listings got me rubbed off. Just hope they do something as I've noticed it's one of the fue places I can escape that stupid gold bot during events.

MarlinBackna

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

[TAM]

W/

12 Feb 2008 at 04:47 - 254

I tried so hard to get into the Top 100....I was close for I had a time of 469k or so, but that was after the list was only 470k. w/e....I had fun. I just really wanted me that mini. I was able to consistently win, and began to formulate my strategy better, but I still have a long way to go. Good job, winners.
BTW, "cheating" is almost impossible in GW. The only "cheats" that have arisen were due to bugs in the game that were exploited (aka duping, secret dev outpost etc)... my 2 cents.

??Evan??

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tombs

In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP]/Ruthless Amazons [ego]

W/E

12 Feb 2008 at 04:49 - 255

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLS

First, I treat cheating like stealing, I need to see it before I openly say someone is. The difference in some scores in the list could be hinky but that isn't enough. (to me) Nothing wrong with people asking to see a vid or such from those they claim are, but that's asking them to prove they didn't do anything wrong without proving they did. Not providing that doesn't on it's own mean you're guilty. However, if you have no way to show proof like a vid what is that side to do... I agree with an observer mode and let people go from there(not to mention it will give me something to watch when I finally get to the point where I'm lucky/unlucky farming). Put that in, take out the /report as it's not working and fix that listing so no one feels shafted. Yeah I was also someone who was on the top 100 last year and was proud of that, till multiple listings got me rubbed off. Just hope they do something as I've noticed tit's one of the fue places I can escape that stupid gold bot during events.

All observer mode would do is make it 100% luck because everyone would be using the exact same strategy.

Freeze_XJ

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Dutchable Country

Myth of the Phoenix [Myth]

Mo/N

12 Feb 2008 at 09:21 - 256

Still, it'd help me understand where to use my RAM

I got some parts right, but as long as i get KDed at the start, (lag...), i can forget it, cause that costs some seconds.

I'm not saying anyone is cheating, but i do guess that the top-100 consists merely of US-residents. Why? They have lowest lag

The server is in Texas, which means that my bits n bytes have to travel a nice 20K miles before they reach me, and have to pass some more (crowded) switches too. Pings of >300 are not unusual, and if you add some rubberbanding to that, your delay gets as high as 20 seconds. (it's lovely to race down the track with a SRB, only to find out you were stuck behind one of those cows you passed 2 seconds ago. 5 seconds SRB wasted + 5 seconds delay). Still, there's a lot i should improve, but i'm a slow learner

Next time more luck...

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

D/

12 Feb 2008 at 11:35 - 257

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draikin

I don't see why it's a glitch. Ram boosts you to maximum speed for a brief moment and then drops you back to the speed you were the moment you used it. That means if you're at maximum RRPM the moment you use ram, you're indeed going to drop back to maximum RRPM after it ends. I'm more surprised that Lain could get a 481k time without even knowing this, which goes to show that there really aren't any special skill combos that you absolutely have to know in order to get top times.

Well I did know Ram would go to max RRPM for a moment and then drop back to the way it was and I used this knowledge to my advantage ofcourse, but never did I actually think of using two Rams in rapid succession to gain full speed and stay at that speed for a while. I do think this helps in getting good times more consistently and might explain why Sayuri used a completely different strategy from most of us that uses this sweet combo at maximum effectiveness. My own 481k time was reached by getting exactly what I had been waiting for, a SRB on the first box and an echo at the first water boxes. I also picked up two more boxes after this but no echo or SRB sadly or I might have even reached a 482k+ time.

Draikin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

12 Feb 2008 at 12:28 - 258

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lain Akazukin

My own 481k time was reached by getting exactly what I had been waiting for, a SRB on the first box and an echo at the first water boxes. I also picked up two more boxes after this but no echo or SRB sadly or I might have even reached a 482k+ time.

I have to admit I have no idea how you ever managed to get past the last two gates without slowing down, especially without using double ram at one of those gates. I've been in a race with someone getting echo + srb at the lake, using double ram and then getting another srb before the 5th gate and he got 478k which was enough for a top 100 time. If you can get 481k with only echo + srb, I think the top players might be able to get a 485k+ score if they get really lucky.

Lady Yuna

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

inside your closet.......

ViLE

Mo/W

13 Feb 2008 at 02:16 - 259

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draikin

I have to admit I have no idea how you ever managed to get past the last two gates without slowing down, especially without using double ram at one of those gates. I've been in a race with someone getting echo + srb at the lake, using double ram and then getting another srb before the 5th gate and he got 478k which was enough for a top 100 time. If you can get 481k with only echo + srb, I think the top players might be able to get a 485k+ score if they get really lucky.

That is the hard part, REALLY LUCKY. Not everyone gets 480k+ time on their first tries, and you have to spend ALOT of time to get that lucky 485k+ time.

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

A/W

13 Feb 2008 at 02:34 - 260

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draikin

I have to admit I have no idea how you ever managed to get past the last two gates without slowing down, especially without using double ram at one of those gates. I've been in a race with someone getting echo + srb at the lake, using double ram and then getting another srb before the 5th gate and he got 478k which was enough for a top 100 time. If you can get 481k with only echo + srb, I think the top players might be able to get a 485k+ score if they get really lucky.

It's not possible to get a 485k+ time period if you only get Echo SRB at first two boxes. It is possible, however to stay above 80% through the whole race (even at the beach). You just have to ram and dash correctly after you use your SRB's to stay up. I have my own way of doing it and I'm sure others have their ways. I got jipped out of like 10ish 478k+ times last weekend though cuz I always rubberband back at the STUPID SPIRAL! The highest possible time with Echo SRB is roughly 483k flat, which yuri came really close to. You have to make it to the first gate at 17.8 seconds and the lake at around 37.5 seconds (which is basically perfect) to get that top score.

The Moral Mole

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2008

13 Feb 2008 at 06:22 - 261

The ability to use ram in this capacity is indeed enough to boost one above the speeds attained by many top racers. Further, the skill's ability is clearly unintentional - ram is intended to provide a momentary speed boost, and it is easy to see how they accidentally left the glitch in the game. I would place an argument for why this exploitation is questionable:
A. There are many people without knowledge of this glitch who are trying to compete (and often are spending a large sum of time) for a rollerbeetle.
B. Rollerbeetle racing is essentially a zero-sum game. If Joe wins, Fred loses. To be placed on the top 100 list, someone who worked without exploiting the glitch must be thrown off the top 100 list. In fact, some people on the list threw off 10 or more hard-working racers.
C. Further, many of the top racers intentionally placed many entries specifically, it seems, with the intent to prevent additional people from getting rollerbeetles (to make them rarer).
Those of you who wish to may argue that taking advantages of program bugs - or glitches, call them what you will - is merely a clever way to get ahead. To you I ask, "Where does this cycle end?" Does it end at conning a newbie out of his black dye? Does it end when you leave the game world, and take unfair advantage of other people? If you say that it's ok to do this in a game, then those principles can be just as well extended into real life.

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

13 Feb 2008 at 07:44 - 262

Where is this thread going? You people have no basis at all to claim that the top scorers are:

A: Cheating
B: Exploiting a Bug/Glitch
C: Intentionally editing the scores

One of the players last year was not only good at Roller Beetle racing and scored into the top 100, but I played with this person in the Dragon Arena, and he was phenominal, being one of the key members to win us a good 65 wins! (42 for me, before I lagged out :S) I've watched this person play, and there isn't a hint that the person had been exploiting a bug at all, it was just good skill.

The guide to get into the top 100 was posted last year by another top scorer, who thought that it was proper to give everyone a fair go... obviously noone remembered it or passed it off as being discredible because the complaints are still coming... I'd look for it but I've read it already. Go do the search yourself if this forum has records going back that far :S

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Feb 2008 at 07:54 - 263

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terra Xin

Where is this thread going? You people have no basis at all to claim that the top scorers are:

A: Cheating
B: Exploiting a Bug/Glitch
C: Intentionally editing the scores

One of the players last year was not only good at Roller Beetle racing and scored into the top 100, but I played with this person in the Dragon Arena, and he was phenominal, being one of the key members to win us a good 65 wins! (42 for me, before I lagged out :S) I've watched this person play, and there isn't a hint that the person had been exploiting a bug at all, it was just good skill.

STOP worshipping people if they are Gods... I am a fairly good player (And I know there really is some "retarded" peopel out there), yet ANYONE who plays enough can EASILY get in top 20 GvG if they have the time (No life) and put their minds to it...

Secondly, I figured out the Dual Ram glitch about 3 hours before event end.
I feel cheated because it actually IS an exploit. Is it documented anywhere that when you use 2 rams in a row you keep your max speed? No it isn't, so it's concidered an exploit. (Read Exploit on wiki or something)

I got a 474K score, in those 3 last hours. ON top of that, I did NOT sync with anyone.

There IS certain people in top 100 that payed/asked people to sync in with them at dead-hours... I myself I admit, tried it with 4 guildies. After 3 tried, We ended ut with 3 in one team... EASY WIN FOR ME, ended up in a 470K score (Not a single SRB, only 1 echo). Does that make me a good player? NO, it doesn't, it merely means I can give myself an advantage over other players in RollerBeetle Racing...

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

D/

13 Feb 2008 at 10:50 - 264

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekelon

It's not possible to get a 485k+ time period if you only get Echo SRB at first two boxes. It is possible, however to stay above 80% through the whole race (even at the beach). You just have to ram and dash correctly after you use your SRB's to stay up. I have my own way of doing it and I'm sure others have their ways. I got jipped out of like 10ish 478k+ times last weekend though cuz I always rubberband back at the STUPID SPIRAL! The highest possible time with Echo SRB is roughly 483k flat, which yuri came really close to. You have to make it to the first gate at 17.8 seconds and the lake at around 37.5 seconds (which is basically perfect) to get that top score.

Hmm I reached the first gate at about 17 seconds and the water at 39.5 where I got the echo-srb combo, so I guess you need a ram-ram then to get there at 37.5 like you say.

@Killed u man
Most top players did not sync either, it's a waste of time and not needed at all if you know what you're doing. Also the 'dual ram glitch' as you call it was not necessary to get a top 100 score, I got 5 top 100 scores and I didn't know about this trick at all. Or do you think I was cheating as well?

vixro

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Stranded Among New Players [SANP]

Mo/

13 Feb 2008 at 10:58 - 265

Dual ram made it very easy to achieve those higher scores without excessive supers.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Feb 2008 at 11:14 - 266

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lain Akazukin

Hmm I reached the first gate at about 17 seconds and the water at 39.5 where I got the echo-srb combo, so I guess you need a ram-ram then to get there at 37.5 like you say.

One way to do it is to double-ram at gate 2 and then dash behind that. Note that 37.5 is only attainable out of certain starting gates, in my experience.

Double-ramming at gate 1 has gained in popularity; I dislike doing this because other beetles make me lag, so I burn the ram at start (and wait a bit on dash) to try to avoid being eaten by the lag monster.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Feb 2008 at 11:18 - 267

Quote:

Originally Posted by vixro

Dual ram made it very easy to achieve those higher scores without excessive supers.

It doesn't make a huge difference with classic echo/SRB, because of where you have to burn the speed buffs. You save yourself about a second with a double ram at gate 2. You save yourself about a second or two with the double ram at the end. Power-ramming the shortcut helps, but the rams aren't how you pick up the time there (this is incidental to what you really accomplish).

I would imagine that double ram is a much more powerful tool if you're running Yuri's method.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Feb 2008 at 11:23 - 268

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lain Akazukin

Hmm I reached the first gate at about 17 seconds and the water at 39.5 where I got the echo-srb combo, so I guess you need a ram-ram then to get there at 37.5 like you say.

@Killed u man
Most top players did not sync either, it's a waste of time and not needed at all if you know what you're doing. Also the 'dual ram glitch' as you call it was not necessary to get a top 100 score, I got 5 top 100 scores and I didn't know about this trick at all. Or do you think I was cheating as well?

I got an average of 455K scores BEFORE I used Dual Ram. I got an average of 465K AFTER using Dual Ram...

Ok, SO WHAT, you got some lucky SRB/echo's, yeah, I can get in top 100 aswell then...
However, once again, do NOT tell me that you got in top 100 because you were "better" than certain players...

In HB, I face TERRIBLE people every day, I KNOW for a fact that I better after obs'ing (They just let there heroes die at all, no micro ftw), Yet they beat me because they can shadowstep/solo person in about 2 seconds...
My point here is that ANY form of rank/ladder is NOT a valid of way of showing someone's REAL skill...
Yes, Ekelon probably IS best at playing SIN in HB, however, Depeche proved that he is BY FAR the best Monk. Then again, Anet figured they needed to protect Sin Battles, and thus nerfing Recall...

I'm just saying that YEAH, it IS possible to get top 100 WITHOUT using Dual Rams, however, WHY give yourself the disadvantage?

EVERY top 100 I played used Dual Ram (At the time, I didn't realize the fact they activated it twice in a row), but are they better than me? I highly doubt that...

I base my "Game-Play" on logic. If someone in HA throws a Searing Heat on me, I run out of it. If a thumper is "thumping" me, and he has reached his 6 hits, I will switch to him (as target) and try and D-shot his hammerbash... You see, logic... Does that make me a good player? I gues it does, seeing how I see so many non-logic descissions made in GvG/HoH...

However, my "Logic" did NOT tell me to use Dual Rams. Because gues what, it isn't. I never bothered "saving" my ram for right before the next gate. I played with disadvantage, the intire weekend...

Are most top 100 better than me? No, I'm pretty sure they arn't, yet they have a mini, and I don't... Yeah, I feel threated unfair... That's what I find "wrong"...

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

D/

13 Feb 2008 at 13:08 - 269

I think you're just being a sore loser, dual ram is actually perfectly logical if you think about it and those who were smart enough to come up with it have rightfully earned that advantage. Still you could get in top 100 without it and no you didn't need to get extremely lucky for it, with only a single echo or SRB you could get through the cave without much speed loss and another echo or SRB would get you through the area with the big lake. So two echo's, two SRB's or a combination of them within the first 4-5 boxes would have been enough for a top 100 score. This happened to me in about 1 out of maybe 6 or 7 races, where most of the times lag, KD's or inaccuracies in timing would keep me out of the top 100.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Feb 2008 at 13:35 - 270

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lain Akazukin

I think you're just being a sore loser, dual ram is actually perfectly logical if you think about it and those who were smart enough to come up with it have rightfully earned that advantage. Still you could get in top 100 without it and no you didn't need to get extremely lucky for it, with only a single echo or SRB you could get through the cave without much speed loss and another echo or SRB would get you through the area with the big lake. So two echo's, two SRB's or a combination of them within the first 4-5 boxes would have been enough for a top 100 score. This happened to me in about 1 out of maybe 6 or 7 races, where most of the times lag, KD's or inaccuracies in timing would keep me out of the top 100.

1) I DIDN'T get as lucky. On average, I mayby got a "1-SRB-run" every 5, a "2-SRB-run" every 20, and over the intire weekend (and I counted it, so u can be sure this isn't just some random %) I got 1 run in which I got 1 echo and 2 SRB's... Skill U said?

2)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lain Akazukin

dual ram is actually perfectly logical if you think about it

So wait, if you push somebody, he will just "shrug" forward. If you push him twice, he will keep on "flying" away from you at that speed? Yea, makes perfect sense, HOW could I have been so ignorant? o.0

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

D/

13 Feb 2008 at 14:11 - 271

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

1) I DIDN'T get as lucky. On average, I mayby got a "1-SRB-run" every 5, a "2-SRB-run" every 20, and over the intire weekend (and I counted it, so u can be sure this isn't just some random %) I got 1 run in which I got 1 echo and 2 SRB's... Skill U said?

You got a 2-SRB run every 20 races you say, so if you do 400 races over the weekend that means you already get 20 chances at a top 100 time. Now it takes skill to convert those 20 chances into actual top 100 times, and it seems like you have wasted all those chances. So did you just have bad luck here or did you lack the skill?

Quote:

So wait, if you push somebody, he will just "shrug" forward. If you push him twice, he will keep on "flying" away from you at that speed? Yea, makes perfect sense, HOW could I have been so ignorant? o.0

Ram brings you at full speed for a few seconds and then slows down again to the speed it had before you used ram, so if you use ram while you are at full speed then logic will tell you you will still be at full speed when ram wears off. So smart players just add 1 and 1 together here and first use ram to get at full speed and then use ram again to stay at full speed after the second ram wears off. Seems all perfectly fine and logical to me, too bad you didn't think of it yourself.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Feb 2008 at 14:47 - 272

I didn't know about the Dual Rams untill 3 Hours before end event (yet again)...

If you "Echo" "Endure Pain", and use it twice, you will NOT have +600 HP total. Rather, you will find that you still have +300 HP.

Skills do NOT stack... By using ONE skill, you simply extend the previous one. (Or cancel it out, "end it", not showing in wiki)

Example to prove me right:

Endure Pain: SKILL (Just like Ram)

Code:

EndurePain=+300HP 18 seconds (Let's assume, couldn't be bothered)

Target=400HP (1)
Echo -> Endure Pain:
Target=700HP (2)
Second Endure Pain (Whilst first one is still active, thus overlapping, like the dual rams):
Target=700HP (3)
18 Seconds after the FIRST endure pain was activated:
Target=700HP (4)
18 Seconds after the SECOND endure pain was activated:
Target=400 HP (5)

Conclusion: Identical Skills do NOT stack. This means that WHEN you Ram forward (the skill doesn't even mention the speed buff), your speed will pump up to max for 2 seconds (2). When you RE-use Ram before the first one has ended, It should NOT give you additional buff, but rather extend the duration of the first one (Or cancel the first one, and re-use it)(3).
When the first Ram should have ended, nothing happens (4)

So far so good right? "Ram" is behaving accordingly, as a "skill" should behave.

However, watch what happens when the Second Ram runs out:

Second Ram ends, Speed gets reduced to WHAT IT WAS ON ACTIVATING THE SECOND RAM!!! (=/=5)

So now we have 1 problem:

Either Endure Pain is bugged, and it should (after the second one expired) reduce you to a "permanent" 700HP.

OR

Either Ram is bugged, and it should (after the second one expired) Reduce you to your ORIGINAL speed. (The one on activating the first Ram)

Never gone trough so much troubles of "tought-work", this obviously is threadwin. Seeing how I proved either Ram is bugged, or Endure Pain is (And all the other "skills" in the game)

Aldric

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

[IG]

R/

13 Feb 2008 at 15:08 - 273

Sorry but Threadwin would constitute finding a way of not looking like a very sore loser.

Nor

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

none yet :X

Me/N

13 Feb 2008 at 15:15 - 274

in my opinion i think the dual RAM is a bug , bout the 60 % of ppl being in the top 100 used that to gain those fantastic scores , i saw it in a race and it REALLY was usefull

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Feb 2008 at 15:15 - 275

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aldric

Sorry but Threadwin would constitute finding a way of not looking like a very sore loser.

Lol, I missed out on a Mini. I missed out on something that does NOTHING. I missed out on something which I purely wanted to prove (brag if you want) others I got top 100.

Yet, I see other, worse, people got it instead. Learn 2 read?

I do NOT care about the fact that I didn't get the Rollerbeetle, gues what, it's no more than a bunch of pixels... I simply am pointing out that I DID miss out on top100 because I didn't know about the "exploit" as you may call it...

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

D/

13 Feb 2008 at 16:30 - 276

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

I do NOT care about the fact that I didn't get the Rollerbeetle, gues what, it's no more than a bunch of pixels... I simply am pointing out that I DID miss out on top100 because I didn't know about the "exploit" as you may call it...

Face it man, you missed out on top 100 because you just weren't good enough yet. Don't come up with lame excuses like guild syncing or not knowing about the double ram trick, I didn't know either and I'm sure there others in the top 100 who didn't know. I missed out on top 100 last year because I wasn't good enough back then, and I have been training hard the past year to make up my loss of last year and I finally succeeded this time. I suggest you do the same and show us all what you got next year.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Feb 2008 at 16:42 - 277

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lain Akazukin

Face it man, you missed out on top 100 because you just weren't good enough yet. Don't come up with lame excuses like guild syncing or not knowing about the double ram trick, I didn't know either and I'm sure there others in the top 100 who didn't know. I missed out on top 100 last year because I wasn't good enough back then, and I have been training hard the past year to make up my loss of last year and I finally succeeded this time. I suggest you do the same and show us all what you got next year.

Training Hard? So U admit you hacked the Client to gain acces to Rollerbeetle racing? Hate to burst your bubble, but you CAN'T train for Beetle Racing. It is UNLIKE any form of PvP/PvE, so u can hardly train for it...

I wasn't good enough? Ok, how do you explain the fact that the last 3 hours (When I found out about the bug), My average score went from 455k to 465K (Without Echo/SRB), and I maxed out a 474K (Which would have been top 100 if it wasn't for multiple accounts)...
I just got more "skilled" in those last 3 hours and the Dual Ram was just a coincidence?

Not to say, that 474K score was only after 3 hours of testing with the Dual Ram AND I only got 1 Echo and 1 SRB (Not even in the first box, which is most important). (Which is HALF of what U can get)

Yayo Goldigger

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

[Rage]

Mo/D

13 Feb 2008 at 17:01 - 278

Rollerbeetle racing is open at every event as far as I know, and there have been more than a few since last Canthan New Year.

Lain Akazukin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

D/

13 Feb 2008 at 17:20 - 279

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

Training Hard? So U admit you hacked the Client to gain acces to Rollerbeetle racing? Hate to burst your bubble, but you CAN'T train for Beetle Racing. It is UNLIKE any form of PvP/PvE, so u can hardly train for it...

I hate to burst your bubble, but there have been more events the past year where you could race. So yes, you can train it. And so I did.

Quote:

I wasn't good enough? Ok, how do you explain the fact that the last 3 hours (When I found out about the bug), My average score went from 455k to 465K (Without Echo/SRB), and I maxed out a 474K (Which would have been top 100 if it wasn't for multiple accounts)...
I just got more "skilled" in those last 3 hours and the Dual Ram was just a coincidence?

Sigh, ofcourse double ram helps to improve your average scores, but my point is that you can get top 100 times without it. You were obviously not good enough for that yet. And I doubt a 474k score would have been enough, there were already 21 different people with a 477-478k score, so at least 30 must have had between 476-477 and I expect there were even more in the 475-476k range.

Aldric

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

[IG]

R/

13 Feb 2008 at 21:49 - 280

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

Lol, I missed out on a Mini. I missed out on something that does NOTHING. I missed out on something which I purely wanted to prove (brag if you want) others I got top 100.

Yet, I see other, worse, people got it instead. Learn 2 read?

I can read just fine.

Worse people didn't get it , you were not good enough and those who were better than you won it. Higher Score = Better

Learn2SRB?