Firearms in GW

[M]agna_[C]arta

[M]agna_[C]arta

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Philippines, LSGH

Legions of the Golden Aguila [PNOY]

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Hi, I am from Sardalec and I just wanna know what's the problem bout, GW having Firearms.
If they have Robots why not Firearms?, I am talking about the Firearms in the olden Times, with Firearms like in Granado Espada.
If we have G.O.L.E.Ms why no Firearms?
And this is not a Suggestion, I am just asking what's the prob.

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

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Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

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you posted in sardelac, which doesn't guaruntee your suggestions

and you posted in riverside, which is the wrong place.

MaDDoG1221

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Perth, Australia

DOTR

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Guns are lame.. I prefer them in a FPS not a MMORPG

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

GW does have firearms, they're just in the form of wands/staves. Wands are handguns, staves are rifles. So yeah, there you go.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Because G.O.L.E.M. isn't a mechanical robot, but magical creature (E stands for enchanted)?

But pray tell, what purpose would firearms serve?

Fire Musket 0/0.25/5
Fire your musket at target. This skill fails if musket isn't loaded.

Reload Musket 10/30/5 (note the 30 second activation time)
Reload your musket. This skill is easily interrupted.

Etta

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

What's the prob? I don't know, why don't you email anet and ask them? The setting and background in GE is very different to GW. You can't really compare the 2 games.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

This is Guild Wars, not Granado Espada.

Guns in an RPG = fail. (Just like swords in a shooter = fail.)

kthxbai.

Kyrein

Kyrein

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Island of Undisclosed Location

granado espada is colonial era.......GW is dark ages

Meat Axe

Meat Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Brisbane, Australia

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Although I generally love RPGs that let you use guns (more specifically, pistols) as your main weapon, I don't think it'd really fit into the world of GW. GOLEMs are not robots. They are basically what their acronym implies: golems (ie a magically animated hulking creature. Not to be confused with the little shrimpy guy who has a fetish for golden circular objects). Tyria just doesn't seem like the place to have guns.

dicecube

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Guns in an RPG = fail.
WoW failed? this is news to me..

TPike

TPike

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Pennsyltucky

The Imperial Gaurds Of Ascalon [TIGA]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
This is Guild Wars, not Granado Espada.

Guns in an RPG = fail. (Just like swords in a shooter = fail.)

kthxbai.
I know a FEW players who PREFER Knives over firearms in CoD4 & BF2

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Wouldn't fit in whatsoever to game balance, and could only exist as a cosmetic change which is a waste of time.

[M]agna_[C]arta

[M]agna_[C]arta

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Philippines, LSGH

Legions of the Golden Aguila [PNOY]

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Thanks, I understand now^^!
Cause I posted somethin for weapons.

Like Rangers can use Ranged Weapons, which goes with (Guns, Bows, Crossbows and etc).
Or like Sins can use Light Weapons,(Gauntlets, Daggers, Claws and etc).
No difference in effects but these are just extra skins for those gun and etc lovers^^.

But GW is Fictional, doesn't need to have 1 type of Timeline^^.
And anyway, even if it's based on the Dark Ages, 200 years is a long time^^.
And they can just fasten up the process.
Sorry, I didn't say I was basing it on GW2^^.

ryanryanryan0310

ryanryanryan0310

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Guns don't kill people.
People kill people.

Say no to guns.

[M]agna_[C]arta

[M]agna_[C]arta

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Philippines, LSGH

Legions of the Golden Aguila [PNOY]

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I didn't get you point^^?
Sorry...

MaDDoG1221

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DOTR

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^is a joke, Pretty sure its off family guy

[Morkai]

[Morkai]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanryanryan0310
Guns don't kill people.
People kill people.

Say no to guns.
Steal quotes much? :P

[M]agna_[C]arta

[M]agna_[C]arta

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Philippines, LSGH

Legions of the Golden Aguila [PNOY]

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Oh, yeah it's ture people kill people.
Weapons are just instruments of killing like playing a flute, people play music not flutes play music^^.
People are just the indirect cause, but without them weapons can't kill nor operate^^.

and going back to topic?

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

I was disappointed to see seige turtles with the cannons strapped to their shells. Muskets and blunderbusses would just make it worse.

Reflect

Reflect

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Join Date: May 2007

Varna,Bulgaria

Glob Of Ectospasm [GoE]

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*they are not GOLEMs they are GOLLUMS*



end-o-joking


now seriously, This is a RPG not a FPS, so no, no firearms :}

ryanryanryan0310

ryanryanryan0310

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Berek
Steal quotes much? :P
Everything is stolen, nothing is really original anymore.

Bows = Guns

[M]agna_[C]arta

[M]agna_[C]arta

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Philippines, LSGH

Legions of the Golden Aguila [PNOY]

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Ain't a gun just a thin barrel filled with gun powder and chunk of metal?
Hmm....

Not really sure but maybe everyone imagines Firearms as Shotguns, 9mm.
Cause those weapons wouldn't fit but the Colonial Rifles seems just fine to me^^.
Again "This is Tyria, not Earth"^^!

artay

artay

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Australia

The Agony Scene

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If it was balanced, sure, I've always been a fan of fantasy style guns.

[M]agna_[C]arta

[M]agna_[C]arta

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Philippines, LSGH

Legions of the Golden Aguila [PNOY]

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They can ballance it in GW2 right^^?
Add a little more technology^^.
And Dwarves are already Gunpowder lovers in the start of the game don't they?
I just realized if they love Gunpowder why do they just make bombs why not guns?, and It is named after guns right?, but if there's no guns before gunpowder how could it possibly named after that^^?
*My head hurts XD!*

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

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Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta
Ain't a gun just a thin barrel filled with gun powder and chunk of metal?
And a trigger/firing mechanism. The small mechanical parts are what make guns just a little too hi-tech for GW. 200 years in the future? I don't see why not. The Asura would be the most likely to invent them, though. They can craft eye glasses, as well as the small gears and what-not in the warp gates. They have the mechanical know-how. They just need that little kick of necessity and/or inspiration.

EDIT: Actually, with the Canthans being Asian-themed, the Chinese had many different types of gun-like weaponry dating as far back as 3rd-2nd century B.C. They had a "hand-cannon" of sorts - basically a miniature cannon made of bronze, that could be held and fired in the hands of a single person. Being that the Luxons already have the large Jade-firing cannons, it isn't much of a stretch to see that technology shrunk and improved on over 200 years.

Shakkara

Shakkara

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Why use guns when you have your Elementalists for artillery?

Say no to guns!

-Loki-

-Loki-

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakkara
Why use guns when you have your Elementalists for artillery?

Say no to guns!
Howitzer > echo meteor shower.

Rushin Roulette

Rushin Roulette

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Join Date: Sep 2007

Right here

Ende

Hehe, im looking forward to vanquishing with the BFG from Doom( 1 and 2) , or the AR2 Rifle from HL2DM

[riVen]

[riVen]

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Refuge From Exile [RFE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyrein
GW is dark ages
Just wanted to lol at this.

captain_carter

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Well I'm just going to laugh at the NPCs trying desperately to build a gun over the next 200 years when we can all use far more powerful magic. I see little reason to build a mechanical weapon in a world with a lot of easy to use magic.

As I said before, why would you create a match if you could all conjure fire out of nothing?

[M]agna_[C]arta

[M]agna_[C]arta

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Philippines, LSGH

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Why have Swords and Bows if we already have Maigc = P?
Get my point?
And if you check my post in Sardalec bout my Weapon Idea, I am thinking of just adding skins, a Bow and Gun can have same outcome in battle.
Ranged-Attackers^^.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

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Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta
Why have Swords and Bows if we already have Maigc = P?
Exactly. I mean if guns > swords, and magic > guns, why the hell are there still swords in the game? Hell, as fast as the Gons chuck spears, and the Rangers fly arrows, the guns could just be another ranged physical with a similar fire rate and damage range. So then, if it was comparable and balanced, why wouldn't they work?

[M]agna_[C]arta

[M]agna_[C]arta

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Philippines, LSGH

Legions of the Golden Aguila [PNOY]

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Thank you atleast somebody understands.

I think Guns are Viable for GW cause:
  • It can just be another skin for Bows, for Gun lovers.
  • Rangers can use them too, (Off-Topic, Also Sins should be able to use Claws and Gauntlets too., also some Sickle, but not weapon just for Deadly Arts^^)
  • GW has enough Technology to make a Gun, or even more.
  • GW isn't the Real World, why base it on our Timeline?
  • Even so if you still like to base it on the Timeline, 200 years after?
  • It is already being used in GW, Check The Dwarves, Asuras, Luxons? What else?

Free Runner

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

I think theres room for some kind of firearm in GW2 due to it being 250 years after. However in GW1 the closest group to have developed a kind of firearm is the Luxons and even that isnt perfected (Needs jade,a turtle and is very slow at fireing). Somewere down the line i can see the Asura (the last possible source for Tyria) creating them.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

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Firearms > bows. Would be unfair on rangers, tbh.

Kyrein

Kyrein

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Join Date: Jan 2008

Island of Undisclosed Location

........i dont see whats so funny about GW being set in the dark ages.......albeit the dark ages with some pretty weird magic and stuff

Muspellsheimr

Muspellsheimr

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Firearms in a fantasy setting are typically a very bad idea, and it would greatly detract from the quality of the game.

Further, Golems are not mechanical/electrical constructions (aka robots), but magically animated constructs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta
  • GW has enough Technology to make a Gun, or even more.
Black powder & the cannons are the only thing I can think of, and simply knowing how to make saltpetre is not nearly the equivalent of knowing how to construct a firearm. Cannons are far less advanced versions of hand-held firearms. Care to name a few more that are not magically based?

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Exactly. I mean if guns > swords, and magic > guns, why the hell are there still swords in the game? Hell, as fast as the Gons chuck spears, and the Rangers fly arrows, the guns could just be another ranged physical with a similar fire rate and damage range. So then, if it was comparable and balanced, why wouldn't they work?
Balancing is not an issue - flavor is. & as for guns being superior to swords - anyone who brings a handgun to a knife fight is a retard. Once you get into melee, any weapon designed for melee has a significant advantage over a firearm. And trust me, it's pretty easy to get into melee before someone can fire.

Average handguns have an accurate range of aprox. 30 feet - anything further and you have to be a skilled user to hit, especially if it's moving. The average adult human can close 30 feet before a trained user can draw their firearm, which is why police are often paranoid about people with large knives (a blade can also easily penetrate Kevlar).

Arutima

Arutima

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
Fire Musket 0/0.25/5
Fire your musket at target. This skill fails if musket isn't loaded.

Reload Musket 10/30/5 (note the 30 second activation time)
Reload your musket. This skill is easily interrupted.
30 seconds activation for reload? ouch... the gunner must have arthritis , since it take around 10-15 seconds to reload (take me around that time to reload my uncle's flintstone rifle)

[M]agna_[C]arta

[M]agna_[C]arta

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Philippines, LSGH

Legions of the Golden Aguila [PNOY]

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Don't compare Firearms and Bows, We could just think they have same Spead and Damage^^.
Uhm, kay but I remember they use Magical Crystals which gives off Eletricity to operate GOLEMs and Warps.
And btw, without Mechanical Energy GOLEMS can't move.
Heres the procces:
Magical Energy(Magic Crystals) > Eletrical Energy(Energy given of MCs) > Mechanical Energy(It's whole Action!)

The Ironforge Man
The Garrison
Traps in Dungeons
Mostly everypart in the Shiverpeaks
Does boats count?, Luxon Boats, Ice Boats, Corsair Boats(with Cannons)
???, and I bet theres more.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
This is Guild Wars, not Granado Espada.

Guns in an RPG = fail. (Just like swords in a shooter = fail.)

kthxbai.
Gunz: The Duel integrated swords pretty well.