I've been wonering how this comes, is it because of customizing armor?
I think theres really something going wrong with GW economy, share your toughts about this.
Sorry for my bad grammar.
Runescape has a better economy then GW, how come?
fanatic 's faith
It's a fact that this f2p game has a better economy then guildwars ATM.
I've been wonering how this comes, is it because of customizing armor?
I think theres really something going wrong with GW economy, share your toughts about this.
Sorry for my bad grammar.
I've been wonering how this comes, is it because of customizing armor?
I think theres really something going wrong with GW economy, share your toughts about this.
Sorry for my bad grammar.
Terra Xin
source?
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Retro8bitje
I think the Economy on GW is very bad at the moment because of the loot change the last time much les items are dropped now so there is not much money to buy items... change loot back and the economy will live agian
Aera
Less crying. The GW economy is good enough.
fanatic 's faith
I've played runescape a while, till i started playing gw, I like gw, but the price diffrence of weapons,armor etc is too small, and for some way too big, you should be able to get mony faster in gw. Not only that, i like the fact that theres an expensif armor, fow, but ALL other armors either cost 1,5,10 or 15k. i think the price should vary more, and maybe make players able to pay a certain price to recustomize an item.
Cacheelma
Define: Good economy.
I can't do the comparison though as I don't know about economic in Runescape. But I still want to know what people consider good and see what to describe GW's economy as.
I can't do the comparison though as I don't know about economic in Runescape. But I still want to know what people consider good and see what to describe GW's economy as.
fanatic 's faith
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Less crying. The GW economy is good enough.
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some 50% has less then 50plat most of the time the other people can get much mony, but still won't be able to get anywhere near the 0.01% wich have stacks of ectos/armbraces/... Thats wrong.
fanatic 's faith
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I think the Economy on GW is very bad at the moment because of the loot change the last time much les items are dropped now so there is not much money to buy items... change loot back and the economy will live agian
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You could get about 100+ gold items/dayly with the raptor farm, thats too much imo. Weapons should become rarer, Money should become easilyer made.
garethporlest18
Because Runescape requires more skill of course.
Cacheelma
I don't agree with you regarding FoW. It's a vanity item. And it's also a static item; something you can get by yourself without relying on somebody to get it first and sell it to you OR for some mobs to drop it (maybe for ecto, but I'm quite sure you can get enough ectos & shards from the trader npc).
I thought we're talking about in-game economy concerning, you know, tradings between players and prices of the things being traded and stuff.
I thought we're talking about in-game economy concerning, you know, tradings between players and prices of the things being traded and stuff.
Abedeus
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Because Runescape requires more skill of course.
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Fril Estelin
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WRONG. The gw economy is like this. 0.01% (or less) can affort fow/... due to early start of playing/now powertrading because they have much mony.
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Any economy has tiers, GW's included. I would like to have a FoW armor, but I'm not spending enough time in GW to get to it. And I still consider GW's economy ok.
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Money is not the problem. People's greed is.
mscobra
GW's new economy IMHO greatly helps new players to the game in getting basic items one "needs" to play the game.
On the other hand, GW was about obtaining prestige items, which is, unless a full time GW addict, next to in possible.
These changes, ie loot scaling, were toted as a way of hurting the gold sellers.
Loot scaling was told to us by ANET, that it would not hurt the casual farmmer.
Well, IMHO, I see these measures have only hurt players, gold sellers are still as active as ever.
If anything, by reducing the amount a player can make by playing the game, only encourages one to go to a web site and by gold.
As long as there is a demand, there will always be a supplier.
If GW wants to reduce the economy, thats fine, reduce the cost of fixed price items, ie Chaos Gloves, 75 ectos? Thats alot of time playing the game considering they hardly drop any more.
On the other hand, GW was about obtaining prestige items, which is, unless a full time GW addict, next to in possible.
These changes, ie loot scaling, were toted as a way of hurting the gold sellers.
Loot scaling was told to us by ANET, that it would not hurt the casual farmmer.
Well, IMHO, I see these measures have only hurt players, gold sellers are still as active as ever.
If anything, by reducing the amount a player can make by playing the game, only encourages one to go to a web site and by gold.
As long as there is a demand, there will always be a supplier.
If GW wants to reduce the economy, thats fine, reduce the cost of fixed price items, ie Chaos Gloves, 75 ectos? Thats alot of time playing the game considering they hardly drop any more.
Avarre
Runescape in no way, ever, can possibly require skill. The 'economy' is based on pressing buttons over and over.
However, there are actual items with worth, whereas a huge amount of the valuable drops in GW are now worth very little.
However, there are actual items with worth, whereas a huge amount of the valuable drops in GW are now worth very little.
roshanabey2
I think the economy is better actually than it was a year back. Think about it, most of the people on guru are rich players who can afford, expensive items, and are devastated at price drops. But most of the players who play gw and don't use guru and are poor compared to the "GWG users" but now, they can hapily afford items that they couldn't before. Remeber most of the GW community own less than 20k but now due to the price drops they can afford more. Back then the economic system of GW was much more elitist, now it is less, as prices of things have gone down.
I am not saying that the economic system of GW is great now and I think it still need a lot of work and neither am I saying that everyone should have lots of elite items unbder their belts. I am saying that the economy of GW is as such as you are either rich or poor, there are hardly any "mid-way" players.
What Anet need to do is produce more more "mid-way" items, to produce more mid way players, instead of creating more elite items. Then ther can be mid-way players, elite players and poor players.
At the moment elite players are suffering, poor players aren't noticing, mid-way players are getting their lucky break, but don't relise that their high will only last a short perios of time.
Anet should, of reduced the item prices to start of with,I agree with them for doing that, but if they carryon their will be a massive economic problem.
IT IS ANET'S FAULT """PRICES ARE GOING"""" DOWN NOT PLAYERS
I am not saying that the economic system of GW is great now and I think it still need a lot of work and neither am I saying that everyone should have lots of elite items unbder their belts. I am saying that the economy of GW is as such as you are either rich or poor, there are hardly any "mid-way" players.
What Anet need to do is produce more more "mid-way" items, to produce more mid way players, instead of creating more elite items. Then ther can be mid-way players, elite players and poor players.
At the moment elite players are suffering, poor players aren't noticing, mid-way players are getting their lucky break, but don't relise that their high will only last a short perios of time.
Anet should, of reduced the item prices to start of with,I agree with them for doing that, but if they carryon their will be a massive economic problem.
IT IS ANET'S FAULT """PRICES ARE GOING"""" DOWN NOT PLAYERS
zwei2stein
Seems like people think that economy is crap because they cant sell somewhat crappy items for some quick money to fund buying rare stuff because market got flooded by somewhat crappy items. At least thats what i got from this thread.
That reminds me of "i dont have 50k for that item but i would like to trade three purple items, two battle comendations, 50 wood plans and 3k for it, ok?" people.
"Crap baseline" was raised, deal with the fact that gold color alone wont guarantee you sale. Not even low req will. If there is too much gold items just mech them. That solves both less cash you get from other drops AND abundance of golds.
That reminds me of "i dont have 50k for that item but i would like to trade three purple items, two battle comendations, 50 wood plans and 3k for it, ok?" people.
"Crap baseline" was raised, deal with the fact that gold color alone wont guarantee you sale. Not even low req will. If there is too much gold items just mech them. That solves both less cash you get from other drops AND abundance of golds.
makosi
I think the GW economy is good although I can't compare to any other cooperative online games. FoW armour is intended to be hard-to-get and 'exclusive' and this doesn't indicate a bad economy. Is the world's economy rubbish because I can't afford a bucket full of diamonds?
Sora267
Well, after I quit RS, I still looked at the updates, and it seemed that the game's economy was near Great Depression level until December when the creators implemented some sort of trading post with set "market prices" (You can buy/sell items within 5% of the market price) that change over time based on what prices people buy/sell for. For example, if the Market Price was 1000 gold, you could buy/sell that item at a range of 950-1050. If everyone trades at 1050, the price would increase, and if its traded at 950, the price will decrease eventually. It made items more accessible to everyone, which helped a lot. I'm pretty sure that's why RS's economy is better than GW's at the moment. Oh, and RS has a few discontinued items from holiday events which are worth millions of gold, so that acts as a goal for rich people and keeps them from affecting the lower parts of the market. (We'd have this kind of thing in GW if the Yuletide Caps/Grenth Horns/Etc. were tradeable.) Plus, there isn't any "farming" aspect in RS (As we know it anyways...). Those factors pretty much make RS's economy near incomparable to GW's.
Cacheelma
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Items in GW don't have much value mainly because unless you're a hardcore (or dedicated or whatever, sorry about my limited vocab) player who feels like he must has some "coolest-looking" items that don't help with your gameplay one bit, you won't need much money to play the game.
And what do you do when you don't see the need to have lots of money? You don't bother trading with people (and GW's trading system makes sure you don't want to do it unless it's really necessary or the items you have are seriously valuable).
So basically the economy largely depends on a small subset of total players; most of these people would've been farming/power trading/whatever for a long time anyway because they'd need a lot of money for some static vanities (15k armor? Vabbian? FoW?) to begin with. What does this mean? Rich players trading with rich players. New players who want to participate in such economy would have no way to get started unless they win the lottery and get some valuable stuff these rich players want.
This isn't good, I guess. But it has gotten to this point because you don't really need the economy to play this game (unlike some other games like, say, WoW), that even I, a poor player with some needs for vanity items and useless stuff, don't see the reason to fix it. Well maybe it'd be better if they can fix it. But without a good mean of player-to-player trading, I'd say don't bother.
That's how I see it anyway.
Pleikki
I think economy sucks cause there is too much money or everything is too cheap.. if Anet would make all mat and rune etc prices higher it would help bit + ofc delete ursan from other places then eotn
Angelic Upstart
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WRONG. The gw economy is like this. 0.01% (or less) can affort fow/... due to early start of playing/now powertrading because they have much mony.
some 50% has less then 50plat most of the time the other people can get much mony, but still won't be able to get anywhere near the 0.01% wich have stacks of ectos/armbraces/... Thats wrong. |
Get off your arses and work for it like everone else has to, the game has been dumbed down too much already with rare weapons not rare anymore, loot scaling, etc.
Get over it.
Zydonis
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Thats because FoW armour is meant to be hard to get its meant to represent an achievement in game, the trouble is now people want everything in game easily accesible to them without putting in the effort.
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Aldric
"The economy sucks"
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"I can't sell my crappily modded crap for 250e so that I can get my FoW armour in 4 minutes with the least amount of effort"
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"I can't sell my crappily modded crap for 250e so that I can get my FoW armour in 4 minutes with the least amount of effort"
fanatic 's faith
It's not too hard. It just needs some sort of ensurance of making money, like some way to make money other then farming. A way with a set amount of money made. Also prices of items should go up. Runes at 100geach aint so good.
fanatic 's faith
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"The economy sucks"
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I have 3000hours of playing GW, this isnt about selling crap for 250e.
I don't see a need for fow either. Just saying IMO the economy ATM sucks.
MagmaRed
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It's my opinion that this f2p game has a better economy then guildwars ATM.
I've been wonering how this comes, is it because of customizing armor? I think theres really something going wrong with GW economy, share your toughts about this. Sorry for my bad grammar. |
Cacheelma
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I don't see a need for fow either. Just saying IMO the economy ATM sucks.
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Is it how I described it?
Steboy93
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Making money on rs consists of standing next to a tree and clicking on it for an hour, then going to the bank, spamming for 5 mins and then walking back to the tree. Then you repeat this for 100 more hours and you are rich.
crazybanshee
I just got my first set of fow armor. I"ve never had a really awesome drop, in fact most of my chests are grapes. I've only been playing a year and a half. What did I do? I farmed doa till I could make an armbrace, then I sold it. Then I saw that armbraces were crashing in price, so I started farming uw till I got the ecto I needed, then I farmed fow till I got the shards I needed. It took a month or so. If you do 1 run a night you'll have fow in no time.
Dylananimus
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Nothing is a 'MUST have' item. The game is based more around a linear storyline, missions and skills, and the trading is just an extension of the game. You can farm all the goods you need for yourself for those 'high end' armors, and fancy weapons are meant to be pricey.
I've just started doing the smite run in UW on my Ele. That coupled with a few runs with a 55 in other areas and I'm not short on funds for everyday stuff, and if I wanted those high end items I'd farm more. Cos yunno...nobody is going to just hand you those items, you kinda have to work for them
That's what an economy is all about. The economy is a little unstable, but that's because of the greed in the game. If players stopped being greedy and expecting people to pay stupid prices for stuff it would be more of a level playing field. Having more loot drop just pushes that field higher, however...we'd all have more money, but prices for things would reflect that and go up, so those that want to feel 'leet' for having expensive gear to sell can still do so.
Fangclaw
Remember what they said about Gold Sinks? That all the NPCs were there to make money -huge amounts of it sometimes- disappear from the game.
Maybe people clim too much to their fortune.
I mean, whats the point of having millions of cash and lots of ectos stashed away in bank if your not gonna use them. If your not gonna spend your money, then what good is it to you? A sign of prestige or something?
I understand if your saving it for something big, but what about the gold sellers and the farmers that just have TONS of stuff in bank but never, ever put it to use.
(Btw I used to be rich myself so dont tell me idk what im talking about)
Maybe people clim too much to their fortune.
I mean, whats the point of having millions of cash and lots of ectos stashed away in bank if your not gonna use them. If your not gonna spend your money, then what good is it to you? A sign of prestige or something?
I understand if your saving it for something big, but what about the gold sellers and the farmers that just have TONS of stuff in bank but never, ever put it to use.
(Btw I used to be rich myself so dont tell me idk what im talking about)
Dylananimus
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It just needs some sort of ensurance of making money, like some way to make money other then farming.
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Solas
..any facts? sources etc.
the runescape econemy also doesn't have people yelling "oh noes! t3h sky is falling!!!1"
sadly i see more and more people saying that, jsut takes a few to get somthing started others will believe it the nno one will buy anything because they think the econemy sucks....therefore stopping the econemy buy not buying/selling.
It's a game, any money i pick up on play i save, if i really want somthing i'll save for a nice while. but over the last 2-3 weeks i've been at around 20k
the runescape econemy also doesn't have people yelling "oh noes! t3h sky is falling!!!1"
sadly i see more and more people saying that, jsut takes a few to get somthing started others will believe it the nno one will buy anything because they think the econemy sucks....therefore stopping the econemy buy not buying/selling.
It's a game, any money i pick up on play i save, if i really want somthing i'll save for a nice while. but over the last 2-3 weeks i've been at around 20k
Lady Yuna
RS does not have a better economy lol ( from my experience of playing-each of the "dragon armor" costs like 2mil-15mil, with a +4 armor bonus better than the 2nd best armor for some types of damages and -3s for other types of damages, everything else is just waaayy inflated, a party hat costs 50mil, that's one of the "medium" prices too,)
Even if RS got a better economy, it is hard to keep all that cash/elite armor with all these scammers/hackers out there. they can installing a key logger on your comp. without you even noticing; and when you get back for you next 3 hours on RS-GOOD LUCK remaking all the cash/items that you just lost.(that's if the hackers are nice, sometimes they mess up the password so you can't even play and even cancel the membership if you're P2p)
Even if RS got a better economy, it is hard to keep all that cash/elite armor with all these scammers/hackers out there. they can installing a key logger on your comp. without you even noticing; and when you get back for you next 3 hours on RS-GOOD LUCK remaking all the cash/items that you just lost.(that's if the hackers are nice, sometimes they mess up the password so you can't even play and even cancel the membership if you're P2p)
Just.nl
Guys.. COME ON!!
You guys know
GUILDWARS=Proffesional
RUNESCAPE=BAH BAH AND AGAIN BAH!!!
You guys know
GUILDWARS=Proffesional
RUNESCAPE=BAH BAH AND AGAIN BAH!!!
fowlero
The thing i despise about GW's economy at the moment is that when they introduced loot scaling/hard mode (over time) many things lost value almost entirely.
This i don't mind since its all relative, my items are worth less, but so are yours so we can still get a fair trade. However i'm a little annoyed that the "set prices" didn't change, a la Skill Trainers and Armor vendors.
Tomes are a godsend!
Slightly off topic; can someone explain why people ever pay over 1k for a tome? You must have that skill unlocked to gain it via a tome, yet if its unlocked it'll be available at Kamadan/LA/Kaineng for 1k
This i don't mind since its all relative, my items are worth less, but so are yours so we can still get a fair trade. However i'm a little annoyed that the "set prices" didn't change, a la Skill Trainers and Armor vendors.
Tomes are a godsend!
Slightly off topic; can someone explain why people ever pay over 1k for a tome? You must have that skill unlocked to gain it via a tome, yet if its unlocked it'll be available at Kamadan/LA/Kaineng for 1k
cthulhu reborn
The GW economy has always baffled me I must admit. Not so much the pricing but the way items are introduced into the game.
For example there is no reason for existance of purple items. Blue items can be as powerful as gold ones. They can be max and have low requirements. People want gold items cause they are gold. So then you have a choice between gold or not gold. But there is no reason for purple. Purple and blue are basically the same.
Especially runes are a clear example of how pointles it is. Purple runes are generally cheaper than blue ones.
My personal view is that Anet is more concerned with keeping a certain trade balance and they needed a lesser gold (being purple) to limit the amount of gold drops but in the end it doesn't make any sense from a gamer's point of view.
Also the fact that certain skins are rare has become pointless since there are many rare skins. To get a specific rare it may cost you a lot but to get a rare skin at all will not cost you as much as some rares will be more wanted than others. But this affects trade as people will generally become less willing to pay for rarity.
At the end of the day I think Anet has different goals and criteria than the players intuitively expect and this has made it that people don't get what the point is here.
For example there is no reason for existance of purple items. Blue items can be as powerful as gold ones. They can be max and have low requirements. People want gold items cause they are gold. So then you have a choice between gold or not gold. But there is no reason for purple. Purple and blue are basically the same.
Especially runes are a clear example of how pointles it is. Purple runes are generally cheaper than blue ones.
My personal view is that Anet is more concerned with keeping a certain trade balance and they needed a lesser gold (being purple) to limit the amount of gold drops but in the end it doesn't make any sense from a gamer's point of view.
Also the fact that certain skins are rare has become pointless since there are many rare skins. To get a specific rare it may cost you a lot but to get a rare skin at all will not cost you as much as some rares will be more wanted than others. But this affects trade as people will generally become less willing to pay for rarity.
At the end of the day I think Anet has different goals and criteria than the players intuitively expect and this has made it that people don't get what the point is here.
Terraban
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Runescape in no way, ever, can possibly require skill. The 'economy' is based on pressing buttons over and over.
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Sarcasm detector broken?
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You leave town
Press a few buttons
Run to a group, push a sequence of buttons
Run to another group, push the same sequence of buttons
Run to another group, push the same sequence of buttons
Run to another group, push the same sequence of buttons
Run to another group, push the same sequence of buttons
Run to another group, push the same sequence of buttons
Then go back to town, sell it to a merchant, and repeat.
Zinger314
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I have yet to find a game that isn't based on pressing buttons over and over.
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Oh yeah, I went there.
The notion of an economy in GW is pointless due to ease of obtainigng max-level gear.
MisterDutch
Want to see a good economy? See World of Warcraft.
They actually have got auction houses in that game.
I am a completely new player in GW (even though my GWGuru account is older, but I never did anything with it up to recently) and now I find items and just don't know what to do with them. Blue items, sometimes a golden one, and weird kind of weapon buffs that you can stick to the weapons. I haven't got a clue what to sell them for and it doesn't get much clearer when the only way to sell stuff is to spam it in some trade channel which scrolls down faster than I can read.
But hey, at least Guild Wars has got no subscription fee...
They actually have got auction houses in that game.
I am a completely new player in GW (even though my GWGuru account is older, but I never did anything with it up to recently) and now I find items and just don't know what to do with them. Blue items, sometimes a golden one, and weird kind of weapon buffs that you can stick to the weapons. I haven't got a clue what to sell them for and it doesn't get much clearer when the only way to sell stuff is to spam it in some trade channel which scrolls down faster than I can read.
But hey, at least Guild Wars has got no subscription fee...