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Forge Runner

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Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

20 Apr 2008 at 08:15 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

Ok I'm back.. some very nice person here (who shall remain nameless) came on to show me how to make money and in our time playing we made all of 25 gold.

No I don't want to farm and that's my point. I want to play and have fun in the 2 hours a day that I have to play. I don't want to feel like there are things in the game that I can never acheive because I have to work. Just like some players don't want to worry that I will come on and buy what they can't afford... it's the same idea.

Does that make sense without being rude? All I'm saying is that let's make anet some money and make it even between players that have and don't have jobs.

I'm not for or against selling gold in the ingame store. I see some things that could go very wrong and things that could go great.

But what you said about feeling your never gonna achieve something......there is NOTHING you cannot acheive without 15k Armor and expensive weapons. 1k armor and collector weapons (hell if you want go buy the BMP and you will have good looking collector weapons

) will allow you to achieve the exact same things. Lets face it the initial cost of the 1k armor pieces would at first hit a new player but its not that much. Runes no longer cost loads like they used too and less expensive weapons are available.

But what you want from the sound of your post is to buy Prestige Armor - once you've bought that with RL gold its no longer an acheivement. Same with weapons,minipets ect. 15k armor does not equal fun.

-rightuos-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

20 Apr 2008 at 08:16 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

because me quitting GW isn't in anets best interest.

how so? they have your money already...if you quit it wouldnt matter one bit.

GW GF

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E/Me

20 Apr 2008 at 08:17 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

Knowing this, don't you see why many of us are so anxious about your suggestion as this suggestion will make us quit the game?

But those with money have been buying GW gold anyhow.. how does buying from anet change things?

I look at anet as the "good guys".. the ones that created the game.. the crappy ebayers are just making money off of them. Let anet have the money. This won't change what's already been going on

GW GF

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E/Me

20 Apr 2008 at 08:18 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by -rightuos-

how so? they have your money already...if you quit it wouldnt matter one bit.

Isn't there going to be a GW2 that I may or may not buy?

-rightuos-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

20 Apr 2008 at 08:18 - 85

because those buying gold have been getting their accounts banned...

DivineEnvoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Me/P

20 Apr 2008 at 08:19 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

But those with money have been buying GW gold anyhow.. how does buying from anet change things?

I look at anet as the "good guys".. the ones that created the game.. the crappy ebayers are just making money off of them. Let anet have the money. This won't change what's already been going on

It is still illegal, and violators will still be banned if they are caught.

It's like asking the government to sell illegal drugs, since there are smugglers who will sell these to people on the street. Does this imply that the government should sell these illegal drugs?

ModTerrik

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Join Date: Apr 2008

Krytan Defenders

20 Apr 2008 at 08:20 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

A lot more people will quit if Anet sells gold. That isn't the best interest either, and I'm sure Anet won't give up a forest for a tree. Knowing this, don't you see why many of us are so anxious about your suggestion as this suggestion will make us quit the game?

Why will it make you quit the game? You'll feel like your "1337" status has been made null and void? You'll still have all of those titles right? Slayer of All? Yes?

There is a balance point that can be reached here between real world costs. Sure, I could make the 30 plat by spending 8 hours a day farming. Or I could make $10 an hour working in RL...and then taking that money to buy that 30 plat.

There are plenty of other shiny things that I will never have with my play style. I won't have Master Explorer or Master of the North, but I would like to be able to play that game in a way that I enjoy.

I guess my point is that Anet should price the gold in a way so that the "1337" players that took 9 months to get their FoW armor won't feel jipped, but still be able to cater to the casual player who doesn't have that much time to devote.

Yarly

Retired GW Player

Join Date: Jun 2006

UK

Mo/

20 Apr 2008 at 08:20 - 88

I agree with avarre completely. What he has to say, if anyone actually took notice, pretty much sums up this argument. On those grounds i really don't see why ANet don't implement this as a viable counter to 3rd party gold sellers.

-rightuos-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

20 Apr 2008 at 08:20 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

Isn't there going to be a GW2 that I may or may not buy?

heh, if that were taken into consideration so much would be different with the current game at hand.

kobey

GW Retiree

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sg Unknown [KATE]

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:20 - 90

Actually Anet already took a step towards what you have suggested by selling skill unlock packs. But to sell gold might be a little over board i believe.

GW GF

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E/Me

20 Apr 2008 at 08:20 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by -rightuos-

because those buying gold have been getting their accounts banned...

Yes and it only took them how many years to start banning people for this? Trust me anyone who wanted to buy gold has done so. Nothing would change by adding gold to the gw store other than who was profiting from it.

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Kangaroo-land.

Blades of the Dingo [AUST]

20 Apr 2008 at 08:22 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

Ok since I obviously am the suck at making $$ why doesn't someone pm me and show me what to do. You guys are the experts, right?

I'm on GW right now as we speak. show me how to make the cash w/o wasting hours of my valuable time farming crap.

Not all of us have 18 hours a day to do this stuff.. sorry I do have a life and GW is fun not anything more. But if it is going to be fun then it needs to be FUN not boring

I play this game about 3 hours a day (during school weeks, holidays now so I play for about 10-12) but I STILL need to get off every hour for an hour because I share my computer.

I have broken the 100k mark 3 times. Very easy.

Don't spend your money on useless crap.. you make it sound like you don't merchant things =/

What do you spend your money on? That's the problem methinks.

GW GF

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:22 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModTerrik

There is a balance point that can be reached here between real world costs. Sure, I could make the 30 plat by spending 8 hours a day farming. Or I could make $10 an hour working in RL...and then taking that money to buy that 30 plat.

There are plenty of other shiny things that I will never have with my play style. I won't have Master Explorer or Master of the North, but I would like to be able to play that game in a way that I enjoy.

I guess my point is that Anet should price the gold in a way so that the "1337" players that took 9 months to get their FoW armor won't feel jipped, but still be able to cater to the casual player who doesn't have that much time to devote.

My point exactly. Well put.

GW GF

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:23 - 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yarly

I agree with avarre completely. What he has to say, if anyone actually took notice, pretty much sums up this argument. On those grounds i really don't see why ANet don't implement this as a viable counter to 3rd party gold sellers.

Yes. I don't want to be banned or give money to 3rd party. I like anet and would gladly pay them

kobey

GW Retiree

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sg Unknown [KATE]

W/

20 Apr 2008 at 08:24 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

Yes and it only took them how many years to start banning people for this? Trust me anyone who wanted to buy gold has done so. Nothing would change by adding gold to the gw store other than who was profiting from it.

Actually I believe there will be. In the past, most people dislike ebayers. Anet took actions against ebay gold and people are thus ok about it. And if Anet start selling gold now, people will shift their unhappiness of ebayers to Anet. And I don't think they will want that.

-rightuos-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

20 Apr 2008 at 08:24 - 96

ok so if you could now purchase gold what would you accomplish from it?

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

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Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

Mo/

20 Apr 2008 at 08:25 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

Ok I'm back.. some very nice person here (who shall remain nameless) came on to show me how to make money and in our time playing we made all of 25 gold.

No I don't want to farm and that's my point. I want to play and have fun in the 2 hours a day that I have to play. I don't want to feel like there are things in the game that I can never acheive because I have to work. Just like some players don't want to worry that I will come on and buy what they can't afford... it's the same idea.

Does that make sense without being rude? All I'm saying is that let's make anet some money and make it even between players that have and don't have jobs.

So between your post saying someone was PMing you to this post, it was 21 minutes. Being generous, let's say that then you played with this person for 10 minutes to net your 25 gold.

I did an 8 minute run with heroes and henchmen in Varajer Fells in NM. The results are as follows:
71g for my share of gold drops
berserker horn - 20g
white great axe - 56g
white draconic spear - 44g
blue great axe - 118g
blue divine scroll - 58g
total profit = 367g

Obviously drops are random, so others may fair a little better or a little worse. But honestly, 25 gold in those 21 minutes between your posts? Wow.

Is 386g a great profit? Not at all, but assuming that drops continued at about the same rate, I could have made 1k in under 30 minutes. Given that that's a pretty average time in which to complete many missions throughout any of the campaigns, it's fairly obvious that you don't have to farm for hours and hours to make a few plat.

Edited because apparently I can't add simple numbers at 3:30 in the morning.

-rightuos-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

20 Apr 2008 at 08:25 - 98

oh wait i know titles! see then the games not balanced anymore as those with money could simply purchase some titles leaving those without the means in the cold.

GW GF

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:26 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly Herro

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I have broken the 100k mark 3 times. Very easy.

Don't spend your money on useless crap.. you make it sound like you don't merchant things =/

What do you spend your money on? That's the problem methinks.

Seriously.. nothing special. I have bad luck with drops. All I've ever spent money on is good armor and the occasional tome. Not anything more.

I appreciate the thought, but I think that the points already made cover my argument. I think Mod terrik said it best.

kobey

GW Retiree

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sg Unknown [KATE]

W/

20 Apr 2008 at 08:27 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly Herro

I play this game about 3 hours a day (during school weeks, holidays now so I play for about 10-12) but I STILL need to get off every hour for an hour because I share my computer.

I have broken the 100k mark 3 times. Very easy.

Don't spend your money on useless crap.. you make it sound like you don't merchant things =/

What do you spend your money on? That's the problem methinks.

Its actually not a very interesting thing to do when you spent 8-10hrs slogging your life out in the office, and got to farm for 3 hrs in gw at home just to get nice weapons in one months time.

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

20 Apr 2008 at 08:30 - 101

You can get max armor, runes, equipment and everything else you need to be a competative player with the money you would make just by playing through the game normally. Or completely free by making a PvP character. The only items you have to farm for, or buy gold for, are vanity items that have no value beyond asthetics. There is no 'grind' for useable equipment.

If you do not like to farm, then I suggest you play through the game like normal. Going through the higher end areas I usually made 2-3k per mission.

Otherwise I can't really suggest anything. I farmed my way to all of my items playing 1-2 hours a day at best while waiting for doctors, studying for college, being in college, or doing housework. It may take a while to save up enough for vanity items, but whats the point of vanity items if they aren't a goal you have to work for...?

I would rather work for 6 months for each vanity item and have something to do in GW then have them all in six minutes and wondering what the heck I should do in GW with the rest of my entirety in GW.

GW GF

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E/Me

20 Apr 2008 at 08:31 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by explodemyheart

So between your post saying someone was PMing you to this post, it was 21 minutes. Being generous, let's say that then you played with this person for 10 minutes to net your 25 gold.

I did an 8 minute run with heroes and henchmen in Varajer Fells in NM. The results are as follows:
71g for my share of gold drops
berserker horn - 20g
white great axe - 56g
white draconic spear - 44g
blue great axe - 118g
blue divine scroll - 58g
total profit = 368g

Obviously drops are random, so others may fair a little better or a little worse. But honestly, 25 gold in those 21 minutes between your posts? Wow.

Is 386g a great profit? Not at all, but assuming that drops continued at about the same rate, I could have made 1k in under 30 minutes. Given that that's a pretty average time in which to complete many missions throughout any of the campaigns, it's fairly obvious that you don't have to farm for hours and hours to make a few plat.

So why didn't you invite me instead of taking henchies? Maybe the GW community isn't as friendly as I thought.

I will repeat this. I am NOT trying to be rude at all. I can totally see both points of this. It just seems a little weird to me that I specifically gave an open invite to go farm and instead of doing so you went off by yourself.

Wow.. I'm totally shocked as to how you would expect me to even believe what you have to say when you obviously have something to hide. Otherwise why wouldn't you have PM'd me to go with?

DivineEnvoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Me/P

20 Apr 2008 at 08:32 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Why will it make you quit the game? You'll feel like your "1337" status has been made null and void? You'll still have all of those titles right? Slayer of All? Yes?

There is a balance point that can be reached here between real world costs. Sure, I could make the 30 plat by spending 8 hours a day farming. Or I could make $10 an hour working in RL...and then taking that money to buy that 30 plat.

There are plenty of other shiny things that I will never have with my play style. I won't have Master Explorer or Master of the North, but I would like to be able to play that game in a way that I enjoy.

I guess my point is that Anet should price the gold in a way so that the "1337" players that took 9 months to get their FoW armor won't feel jipped, but still be able to cater to the casual player who doesn't have that much time to devote.

If selling gold is implemented, why don't we all just work in real life instead of playing the game? Honestly, in that case, working in real life is probably the most profitable farming out there. Sadly that isn't the case for me. I actually prefer spending that real life money on something more valueable like clothes or food. I mean, I just love that burger from Burger King.

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

Mo/

20 Apr 2008 at 08:34 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

So why didn't you invite me instead of taking henchies? Maybe the GW community isn't as friendly as I thought.

I will repeat this. I am NOT trying to be rude at all. I can totally see both points of this. It just seems a little weird to me that I specifically gave an open invite to go farm and instead of doing so you went off by yourself.

Wow.. I'm totally shocked as to how you would expect me to even believe what you have to say when you obviously have something to hide. Otherwise why wouldn't you have PM'd me to go with?

I already explained why I didn't invite you. I find you to be an incredibly unpleasant person. I'm not going to CHOOSE to play with someone like that. Sitting here insinuating that I have things to hide so I am therefore lying (because I totally care about you enough to fabricate 387g worth of drops, that's laughable at best) just proves my point that you an unpleasant person.

GW GF

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:34 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by -rightuos-

ok so if you could now purchase gold what would you accomplish from it?

Honestly probably nothing other than not feeling like I never have a chance to play with people that have a lot more time than I do to play.

Does that make sense?

ModTerrik

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2008

Krytan Defenders

20 Apr 2008 at 08:37 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operative 14

I would rather work for 6 months for each vanity item and have something to do in GW then have them all in six minutes and wondering what the heck I should do in GW with the rest of my entirety in GW.

Maybe play for the fun of the game? The only reason my wife plays is to see all those cute little numbers pop up over large agro groups heads when she Rodgorts them...

Everyone plays for their own reason...in my case I need gold to try out builds and tomes cost a lot. Hell if guild wars sold the elite tomes like they sell the skill unlock packs I'd be happy and shut up about all of this...

I could really care less about your FoW armor...it does the same thing as my 5k. (Though I do have to say I like the sunglasses...still don't have a pair of those)

-rightuos-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

20 Apr 2008 at 08:37 - 107

no it doesnt

GW GF

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:37 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by explodemyheart

I already explained why I didn't invite you. I find you to be an incredibly unpleasant person. I'm not going to CHOOSE to play with someone like that. Sitting here insinuating that I have things to hide so I am therefore lying (because I totally care about you enough to fabricate 387g worth of drops is laughable at best) just proves my point that you an unpleasant person.

No, you've just been rude to me since I posted. I started off here with a valid question and I can honestly say that no one has been as rude as you have.

In fact I've probably been rude to other people because I was offended by you.

So it's ok.. let's get over it like big kids and be nice. Let's agree to disagree.. why would it kill you to play for 8 minutes with me? I'm sure you've been in groups with people that you don't like before.

-rightuos-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

20 Apr 2008 at 08:38 - 109

you shouldnt care what other peoples free time on here its a game all that matters is enjoying the time on when your on , if that aint there buy a new game

Squishy ftw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:40 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

why would it kill you to play for 8 minutes with me? I'm sure you've been in groups with people that you don't like before.

Because most people play games to have fun. And you have a lot les fun when there's people in your group that annoy you. Like you would annoy him/her.

GW GF

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:42 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

Because most people play games to have fun. And you have a lot les fun when there's people in your group that annoy you. Like you would annoy him/her.

Yes but she's been on a thread that isn't a helluva lot of fun for the past hour now. My point is to grow some and come play with me..

I'm not a bi***.. people are just mad at me because I want to buy gold.. then they start attacking me by saying that I don't know how to play. So, yes I respond by being a little bit rude. I think that's natural.

Honestly if you go back and read this thread from the beginning you will see that explode my heart has been very rude to me from the beginning.

ModTerrik

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Krytan Defenders

20 Apr 2008 at 08:45 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

Because most people play games to have fun.

I think that's GW GF's point...farming is not fun. Granted this isn't nearly as tedious as EQ (SWG at least let you set up vaporators and crap so you wouldn't need to be there to farm...hmm..maybe that's what GW needs. The Plat Vaporator. Set it up in the underworld, come back in two days time and collect your 200 plat. Then you could be doing something fun with your time, like laundry or underwater basketweaving)

GW GF

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:50 - 113

Thank you Modterrik. You seem to see my point exactly. Some other people here have also had a very open mind. I don't need everyone to agree with me... just try to see my point of view that's all. Just like I understand why others don't want gold to be sold. I totally get that. It's a suggestion that I don't expect everyone to agree with and I think that I said that from the very first post I made.

kobey

GW Retiree

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sg Unknown [KATE]

W/

20 Apr 2008 at 08:50 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

Yes but she's been on a thread that isn't a helluva lot of fun for the past hour now. My point is to grow some and come play with me..

I'm not a bi***.. people are just mad at me because I want to buy gold.. then they start attacking me by saying that I don't know how to play. So, yes I respond by being a little bit rude. I think that's natural.

Honestly if you go back and read this thread from the beginning you will see that explode my heart has been very rude to me from the beginning.

Actually if you start a thread, be it making a suggestion, asking a question, asking for help, the minute you turn rude, there goes the objectivity of the thread and the posts to follow. Its just how things work. Most people are not going to go through 5 pages of post to decide that ahhh, you are provoked and thus reacted somewhat "not so politely".

We have better things to do.

MetalMan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Some Guild.

W/Mo

20 Apr 2008 at 08:50 - 115

GW GF... lets put it this way:

You want those amazing items you see (addmitedly quite often) these days? But, because you only play a couple hours a night, you find it difficult?

I know where you are coming from, BUT...

Recently, i have been playing my new Ritualist through most of factions and half of nightfall. I've made sveeral golds and maybe around 20k overall.

20k is more than enough to buy a full set of max armour, and most runes. Play through the campaigns some more, get more money, hey presto - you've got yourself another set of max armour, but with THIS money, you go and make a farming character - monks are pretty good. Learn to duo farm the underworld, and maybe for an hour each time you play, you farm.

You'll find that once you have the necessary items, you still have your farmer. This is when you start getting the excess money to get your cool looking items.

You need to get priorities straight... you want to walk around looking good rather than having the thing that does the job. Your running before you can walk. Because you are a casual player, it means you WILL go slower. But, with perseverance, you will get the items you want.

~Dave

pumpkin pie

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bumble bee

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:51 - 116

Money can't buy everything!

you are encouraging a game that everyone can enjoy by simply paying for the "initial game" itself into a game that only people who can afford the extra money in real life can enjoy

No just no no no no no no no no no no no no no!

Angelic Upstart

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South Coast UK

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20 Apr 2008 at 08:51 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW GF

I've been playing GW since it came out... so it's not like I'm some noob. And why don't you invite my char along and show me how you make 22k in a short amount of time?

So after 3 years you still havent got a clue how to make money?
I have no advice to offer you,except maybe check out the farming section?
But if you cant be bothered to make an effort, then that is your own fault, there are too many players that want everything for little or no effort.

-rightuos-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

20 Apr 2008 at 08:52 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModTerrik

I think that's GW GF's point...farming is not fun. Granted this isn't nearly as tedious as EQ (SWG at least let you set up vaporators and crap so you wouldn't need to be there to farm...hmm..maybe that's what GW needs. The Plat Vaporator. Set it up in the underworld, come back in two days time and collect your 200 plat. Then you could be doing something fun with your time, like laundry or underwater basketweaving)

thing is you don,t need the 200 plat to have fun, people want the 200 plat for the shiny weapons and armor for its rarity, you can get everything maxed at a pretty cheap price as is.

allowing people to purchase gold well then you open up the purchase of titles, titles people earned already the hard way by farming and purchasing with earned gold.

ModTerrik

Academy Page

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Krytan Defenders

20 Apr 2008 at 08:53 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by kobey

Actually if you start a thread, be it making a suggestion, asking a question, asking for help, the minute you turn rude, there goes the objectivity of the thread and the posts to follow. Its just how things work. Most people are not going to go through 5 pages of post to decide that ahhh, you are provoked and thus reacted somewhat "not so politely".

We have better things to do.

Honestly, I kinda like cat fights.

So uhh...GW GF...are you a real girl?

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

20 Apr 2008 at 08:54 - 120

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Maybe play for the fun of the game? The only reason my wife plays is to see all those cute little numbers pop up over large agro groups heads when she Rodgorts them...

Everyone plays for their own reason...in my case I need gold to try out builds and tomes cost a lot. Hell if guild wars sold the elite tomes like they sell the skill unlock packs I'd be happy and shut up about all of this...

I could really care less about your FoW armor...it does the same thing as my 5k. (Though I do have to say I like the sunglasses...still don't have a pair of those)

Exactly (Thoguh I don't have FoW armor, it's ugly as sin! (no offense towards Assassins who're often abbreviated as 'sin's')

)! My main character, an Ele, runs around in a mix of 1k sets becuase there is no reason to upgrade, astheticially or mechanically speaking.

Personally I like having something to work towards; a year ago I wanted a Monk, an Assassin, and a Paragon. I have all three, now I'm working them through the games. If all I was doing was playing through the campaigns for the sake of the campaigns, I wouldn't do it becuase I've already played them several times and I don't see much reason to do it once more. But now that I have a goal for each of these characters to work towards, I'm having fun chipping away at a seemingly beyond reach prize in my free time. The fun of the game for me is working towards a goal.