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Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

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Phailville

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26 Apr 2008 at 06:41 - 161

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Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

ONOZ ZOS GET EXTRA 20K ON WHITE 3RD YEER MENI PET!!1

If you were stupid enough to buy a third year mini this early at ridiculous prices, you deserve it, honestly, I mean its not like its easy to get into ZoS, if they start handing out invites and conjuring gold for everybody then we've got a problem, but really, who cares?

Not the point.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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26 Apr 2008 at 06:42 - 162

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Originally Posted by Juno Onuj

lol wow, you guys are ridiculous. I can guarantee that numerous members of ZoS do not have 3rd year minis.

Not the point. No one in ZoS apart from the devs deserve unreleased items.

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ONOZ ZOS GET EXTRA 20K ON WHITE 3RD YEER MENI PET!!1

If you were stupid enough to buy a third year mini this early at ridiculous prices, you deserve it, honestly, I mean its not like its easy to get into ZoS, if they start handing out invites and conjuring gold for everybody then we've got a problem, but really, who cares?

Again, that's not the point. It's not the fact that they get to make a massive amount of money, it's the principle of the whole thing. Normal players shouldn't be give unreleased items because they're in a guild with devs. If you bothered reading some of the thread, you'd know nobody is talking about them selling it.

Joshie0808

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/

26 Apr 2008 at 06:42 - 163

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

ONOZ ZOS GET EXTRA 20K ON WHITE 3RD YEER MENI PET!!1

If you were stupid enough to buy a third year mini this early at ridiculous prices, you deserve it, honestly, I mean its not like its easy to get into ZoS, if they start handing out invites and conjuring gold for everybody then we've got a problem, but really, who cares?

wow, what a dumb comment you just made. You dont even understand the point of the issue.

ITS NOT ABOUT THE FREAKING MONEY/ECTO/PLAT/MINI

i repeat, its about:

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Originally Posted by www.guildwars.com

Monday, April 28 is when the much-anticipated birthday presents begin arriving. Starting at 12:01 AM Pacific, players who have characters turning three years old will find a gift in their inventories—one of a new set of miniatures created especially for this birthday celebration.

And the fact that it is NOT even WITHIN 24 hours of April 28th anywhere in the world, there are ALREADY 3rd year minipets in the hands of NONDEV characters.

If Anet STAFF gets STAFF benefits thats okay with me. They OWN/MADE/PART OF PRODUCTION TEAM.

But if NONSTAFF gets a minipet before PUBLICLY stated release date, theres a problem with NOT the fact that the minipets are worth money, but the FACT THAT THERE IS A CREDIBILITY issue. If the minipets are given out early to NONDEV members, the statement that normal players get their minipets on April 28th should NOT have been made at all.

Regardless of whether your a friend/relative/guildie/worst enemy of an ANET staff member, there should be NO bending the fact that normal players should not be able to get their minis before the stated release date.

The fact that the minipets HAVE been appearing in the hands of normal players, AGAINST the statement they IS THE MAIN POINT.

Edit: haha i was a bit slow. looks like there were like 3 posts made within 30s about that guy's comment xD

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

26 Apr 2008 at 06:43 - 164

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agyar

This is why we can't have nice things.

We could if they would share

Joshie0808

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/

26 Apr 2008 at 06:44 - 165

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

We could if they would share

Too bad the in-game economy isn't socialist

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

26 Apr 2008 at 06:45 - 166

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Originally Posted by FireFox

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_..._favourites.3F
wtb less fail.

She is as bad as Gaile, isn´t she?? BTW who is going to pm the new support member?

gone

Guest

Join Date: Jan 2007

26 Apr 2008 at 06:50 - 167

I'm guilty of mentioning the selling part. just for the fact that if he kept it under his hat like he was probably supposed to, none of us would have even known. that, and it would have been nice to be ahead of the race. it has nothing to do with wanting a phat stack of ectos/plats. ;-]

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Apr 2008 at 06:50 - 168

Anybody speak Korean?

I'd be interested to see what NC Soft has to say about this directly.

Yoshikuni Mahsu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

26 Apr 2008 at 06:51 - 169

Quote:

I mean its not like its easy to get into ZoS, if they start handing out invites

Can you HONESTLY say that those in ZoS are just normal users?, im willing to bet anyone there has put forward alot more effort and dedication towards GW than most. My point is you cant just waltz into ZoS.

And I wasn't talking about the money really, just the scale. Yes, Anet is technically showing slight favoritism, but are you going to go to bed and cry all night because you didn't get your mini a day or two early? It was a stupid move by Anet, but I hardly doubt its worth 9 pages of crying and whining over.

Conn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Apr 2008 at 06:51 - 170

If anet wants to burn their playerbase yet again, let them. It's gonna bite them in the ass in the end.

Furthermore if they want to reward their devs, make sure the devs actually do their job well enough first. Ah the days when events didn't have bugs or glitches. When was the last time that happened? First wintersday event I believe.

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

26 Apr 2008 at 06:52 - 171

ZoS has four three year minis!

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Originally Posted by Skyros

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/a...6&d=1209158126

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/a...7&d=1209158841

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10282724

I find it interesting that all of these third year minis all belong to members of ZoS!

Look at the above pictures, Gaile Gray is freakin friends with Wasabai. Of course he is going to get special treatment.

zwei2stein

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Europe

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26 Apr 2008 at 06:52 - 172

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

She is as bad as Gaile, isn´t she?? BTW who is going to pm the new support member?

Does that suprise anyone?

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

26 Apr 2008 at 06:52 - 173

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

Can you HONESTLY say that those in ZoS are just normal users?, im willing to bet anyone there has put forward alot more effort and dedication towards GW than most. My point is you cant just waltz into ZoS.

And I wasn't talking about the money really, just the scale. Yes, Anet is technically showing slight favoritism, but are you going to go to bed and cry all night because you didn't get your mini a day or two early? It was a stupid move by Anet, but I hardly doubt its worth 9 pages of crying and whining over.

It seems you still have no clue why people are upset.

/sigh

fenix

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26 Apr 2008 at 06:52 - 174

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Originally Posted by flubber

I'm guilty of mentioning the selling part. just for the fact that if he kept it under his hat like he was probably supposed to, none of us would have even known. that, and it would have been nice to be ahead of the race. it has nothing to do with wanting a phat stack of ectos/plats. ;-]

A couple of ZoS members had already posted pictures of the 3rd year minipets they got as well. And knowing WhiteWasabi, he would have been flaunting the minipet to anyone and everyone, so yeah, we would have found out. The fact that he got 175 ecto for a minipet that won't be worth 20k in a months time, is a joke.

freakdaddy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ohio, USA

Tales of Heroes[myth]

A/Me

26 Apr 2008 at 06:53 - 175

i don't get it are some of the employees of Anet trying to kill GW?
i mean once a week they release an update that screws up all the skills.Then they give themselves and their friends free in game bling. whats next?

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

26 Apr 2008 at 06:56 - 176

If I had to guess on what actually happened:

All the devs probably received their 3rd year presents early, possibly by being the only ones whose /age wasn't reset after the last beta before release or something. Then, it's likely that one of the devs (possibly Andrew) gave Wasabi his mini because he didn't want it for whatever reason, or just wanted to give a gift. Wasabi didn't want it either, or saw an opportunity to make some quick cash and the rest is history.

I can see where this situation would be innocent enough, but would also be taken badly by most of the community simply because Wasabi is not a dev and he got something before everyone else out of favoritism.

If that is what really happened, I'm on the fence about the situation, but definitely outraged about this 'cover-up.' I think it's safe to assume that everything Regina said on her talk page is rubbish, whether she came up with it on her own or was told to say it. Even if what she said was true, I'd like to know why there's some kind of random chance some beta players would get early b-day presents, while others didn't. It doesn't add up; therefore rubbish.

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

26 Apr 2008 at 06:57 - 177

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

ONOZ ZOS GET EXTRA 20K ON WHITE 3RD YEER MENI PET!!1

You know nothing about minipets.

Wasabai is going to HUNDREDS of additional ectos for having his minipet early.

Again this isn't point. The point is Andrew/Gaile are misusing their GM powers. It is highly unlikely only ZoS members would be getting 3rd year minis.

Joshie0808

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/

26 Apr 2008 at 06:57 - 178

Its not that (well, i dont) we take this personally..

Yes, you cant just waltz int ZoS. And their members have probably put in a lot of effort and dedication into the game. The thing that i'm annoyed over is that:

they made a statement, and yet turn around and do something opposite to that.

Its like your internet provider gareunteeing (spelling anyone?) that there will be no downtime, and then your internet goes down and its not your wires/PC/networking.

Or its like your government promising to lower the tax rate, and then only lowering it for certain people. Or not lowering it at all.

They are a professional company/group of people. This type of miscommunication shouldnt happen. And if it does, it should be addressed quickly and fixed in a mature and proper manner. And i'm waiting for it to be addressed, which hasn't happened yet for

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Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

9 pages

.. if thats what you like to measure time in.

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

26 Apr 2008 at 06:57 - 179

I guess I shouldn't put too much faith into ANet anymore. All we need now is someone from ANet to just say Happy Third Birthday and tell us enjoy your minis...

Yoshikuni Mahsu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

26 Apr 2008 at 06:58 - 180

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

It seems you still have no clue why people are upset.

/sigh

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Normal players who do not deserve to get unreleased items are getting treated special for being in a guild with devs in it, which is a kick in the face to everyone else in the Guild Wars community.

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Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

26 Apr 2008 at 07:01 - 181

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

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So if you know why people are mad, why would you post:

Quote:

but are you going to go to bed and cry all night because you didn't get your mini a day or two early?

That is not why people are mad. People are mad because normal players are getting unreleased items. Whether they're supposed to be released monday or in a month, normal players should not be able to get unreleased items because they're in the same guild as devs.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Apr 2008 at 07:04 - 182

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

If that is what really happened, I'm on the fence about the situation, but definitely outraged about this 'cover-up.' I think it's safe to assume that everything Regina said on her talk page is rubbish, whether she came up with it on her own or was told to say it. Even if what she said was true, I'd like to know why there's some kind of random chance some beta players would get early b-day presents, while others didn't. It doesn't add up; therefore rubbish.

Not the best foot to get off on in her new CR position was it? It will be a good crash test to see if she can cope with this volatile situation.

gone

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Join Date: Jan 2007

26 Apr 2008 at 07:06 - 183

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

A couple of ZoS members had already posted pictures of the 3rd year minipets they got as well. And knowing WhiteWasabi, he would have been flaunting the minipet to anyone and everyone, so yeah, we would have found out. The fact that he got 175 ecto for a minipet that won't be worth 20k in a months time, is a joke.

yeah. it must be nice. oh well.

I'll sell mine for like 10k along with the rest of the suckers...I mean players.

Joshie0808

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/

26 Apr 2008 at 07:07 - 184

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

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The issue is probably being seen from 2 different views:

Anet favoring a certain group of people.
The problem with this is that nonDEV ZoS members are selling minipets for money. When Anet has a huge issue about real world money trading and tries to protect the in game economy from any external influence, this is certainly counterproductive.

Its like your Boss promising to give everyone a raise in 5 days. Then he gives your co worker AND ONLY your co worker a raise, 4 days early.

People have a problem with the fact that your coworker is getting paid extra for 4 days and they're not.

The 2nd point to this issue is that Anet said something, but they arent doing what they said. They stated on their website that minipets are released on April 28th. Today is not april 28th, and yet there are already new minipets for sale.

Its like your Boss promising to give everyone a raise in 5 days. Then he gives your co worker AND ONLY your co worker a raise, 4 days early.

People have a problem with the fact that your boss is not trustworthy and goes back on his words.

Anet is a professional company and should act as such. This type of crap should not happen. And if it does, proper response should be given. We are not seeing any response at all.

Yoshikuni Mahsu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

26 Apr 2008 at 07:08 - 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

So if you know why people are mad, why would you post:

That is not why people are mad. People are mad because normal players are getting unreleased items. Whether they're supposed to be released monday or in a month, normal players should not be able to get unreleased items because they're in the same guild as devs.

People arent getting the unreleased early simply because they're in a guild with devs. They're getting them because A: Theres some sort of miscommunication about when some of the minipets are going to be released: AKA early events, beta and the sort (although this does look fishy, its still unconfirmed (?)) or B: They happen to be particularly dedicated to GW than regular users. The idea that they got items simply because they were in ZoS and for only that reason is ludicrous if you ask me. If this were the case than everyone, in ZoS would have 3rd year minipets by now.

Drogo Boffin

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Middle of nowhere

26 Apr 2008 at 07:09 - 186

whatever wasabi got for it. he bought it back from whoever he sold it it for the same price. and i only know of 2 ppl in zos getting third year minis.

Joshie0808

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/

26 Apr 2008 at 07:10 - 187

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

People arent getting the unreleased early simply because they're in a guild with devs. They're getting them because A: Theres some sort of miscommunication about when some of the minipets are going to be released: AKA early events, beta and the sort (although this does look fishy, its still unconfirmed (?)) or B: They happen to be particularly dedicated to GW than regular users. The idea that they got items simply because they were in ZoS and for only that reason is ludicrous if you ask me. If this were the case than everyone, in ZoS would have 3rd year minipets by now.

Thats only what half the people are pissed off about. (the ZoS issue)
its the fact that there IS miscommunication about when the minis are going to be released. Thats the other reason. Maybe if they wanted them released earlier, they could post on their site april 25th, rather than april 28th.

PLEASEEEE, nobody say its a typo. Cuz thats just pathetic.

Yoshikuni Mahsu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

26 Apr 2008 at 07:13 - 188

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshie0808

Its like your Boss promising to give everyone a raise in 5 days. Then he gives your co worker AND ONLY your co worker a raise, 4 days early.

I think this is where the problem is. I see that coworker as particularly involved in and dedicated to his job. Wasabi shouldn't have sold it. He deserves a nice big helping of /ban if you ask me, but I wouldn't doubt Anets credibility for a second. (ok, maybe 1, but not 2)

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

26 Apr 2008 at 07:13 - 189

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

People arent getting the unreleased early simply because they're in a guild with devs. They're getting them because A: Theres some sort of miscommunication about when some of the minipets are going to be released: AKA early events, beta and the sort (although this does look fishy, its still unconfirmed (?)) or B: They happen to be particularly dedicated to GW than regular users. The idea that they got items simply because they were in ZoS and for only that reason is ludicrous if you ask me. If this were the case than everyone, in ZoS would have 3rd year minipets by now.

I'd believe that people with characters from the 2005 event got mini pets early if 1) people outside ZoS received the gifts 2) ANet lied about the mini pets being released on monday and 3) every characters /age got reset when the server went live (according to Gaile).

Just because they're more dedicated to Guild Wars than a regular player certainly does not mean they deserve unreleased items. Ludicrous or not, it's the most believable idea until a dev tells us what happened without lying. Regina is new and doesn't exactly know what she's talking about, and apparently Andrew Patrick is refusing to talk about the issue.

If there was a legit reason for this, Andrew Patrick wouldn't be hiding. But he is hiding, so it's quite clear something is going on. No reason to hide if nothing fishy is going on, right?

ryanryanryan0310

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Scars Meadows [SMS]

26 Apr 2008 at 07:16 - 190

I think alot of people are not getting the point of this thread....
or
maybe i'm not....

If the dev's got the mini-pets early that ok. But why introduce the NEW mini-pets into the community before the 28th? Don't they got the common sense that it would cause an outrage?

Doesn't that spoil the whole april 28th celebration?

But if the entire ZoS got new mini's that just f**ked up!!!

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

26 Apr 2008 at 07:17 - 191

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

They're getting them because A: Theres some sort of miscommunication about when some of the minipets are going to be released: AKA early events, beta and the sort (although this does look fishy, its still unconfirmed (?))

Fishy? No. Try: WRONG.

As I said earlier, the only early event was the headstart, which was only 24 hours earlier than normal. Beta date doesn't matter. And it hadn't been matter since the 1st anniversary. My character was first created during the World Preview Event (Halloween 2004). I don't see my 3rd year mini anywhere.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

or B: They happen to be particularly dedicated to GW than regular users. The idea that they got items simply because they were in ZoS and for only that reason is ludicrous if you ask me. If this were the case than everyone, in ZoS would have 3rd year minipets by now.

Then STATE IT AS SUCH. I don't see anywhere on guildwars.com saying "Some favored customers are going to get this this this and this". If Anet decide to do that now, SAY SO.

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Originally Posted by Drogo Boffin

whatever wasabi got for it. he bought it back from whoever he sold it it for the same price. and i only know of 2 ppl in zos getting third year minis.

Still don't have a clue huh?

Do yourself a favor and borrow some money from wasabi, and BUY SOME CLUE.

Joshie0808

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/

26 Apr 2008 at 07:18 - 192

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

I think this is where the problem is. I see that coworker as particularly involved in and dedicated to his job. Wasabi shouldn't have sold it. He deserves a nice big helping of /ban if you ask me, but I wouldn't doubt Anets credibility for a second. (ok, maybe 1, but not 2)

Thats exactly it. See, someone screwed up, somewhere. The dev's getting the minipets early, guilds or players getting rewards for something they did (such as NPC named after them or places named after them) thats all in anet's power to do. Its just that maybe someone should've kept the 'gift' under wraps till monday?

Back to that analogy, maybe your Boss does give everyone else a raise in 5 days, keeping to his word.

Its just that someone needs to clear this up. People are asking why there is a minipet on the MARKET before its release date? But nobody is clearing it up and there lies the root of this entire discussion. If people are given the impression that "nobody" (exception applies to special people like staff members etc) is getting a minipet before the stated release date, and a minipet turns up on sale.. and floats around the general community for a bit.. theres a bit of a problem.

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

26 Apr 2008 at 07:20 - 193

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Does that suprise anyone?

Well, there was Hope. But she died now. Not a pretty sight. Anyone contacted Gaile about it? Maybe she wants to take revenge for being kept out of loop??

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Apr 2008 at 07:21 - 194

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

I think this is where the problem is. I see that coworker as particularly involved in and dedicated to his job. Wasabi shouldn't have sold it. He deserves a nice big helping of /ban if you ask me, but I wouldn't doubt Anets credibility for a second. (ok, maybe 1, but not 2)

x2

I suspect, however knowing Anet employees will save him from what he deserves.

It's a shame dupers (the few that were caught), didn't have such ties. But hey, they were just trying to take advantage of the game economics through questionable means too....

seut

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Europa

26 Apr 2008 at 07:21 - 195

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

3) every characters /age got reset when the server went live (according to Gaile).

Apparently the servers went live on the 25th with a small crowd of handpicked beta testers on them.
On the 27th early access for pre-order accounts was opened (my monk should get a mini on Sunday).
On the 28th retail buyers were able to access the server.

Shawn The Divine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Nova Scotia

My Other Healer Is Lvl Eighty

Mo/W

26 Apr 2008 at 07:22 - 196

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

Wasabai is going to HUNDREDS of additional ectos for having his minipet early.

Meh, that's nothing, I sold my gold rabbit minipet for 2000 ecto.

lol pve minipet drama

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

26 Apr 2008 at 07:22 - 197

What's come out of this thread so far:

- ZoS member gets a minipet before everyone else, which is unfair on several levels.
- Community is jealous/generally upset.
- Random pve scrubs/morons from ZoS try to defend WW/AP/ZoS but fail terribly.

This thread has delivered.

I think WW should be banned and AP should lose his job.

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Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

26 Apr 2008 at 07:23 - 198

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

If I had to guess on what actually happened:

All the devs probably received their 3rd year presents early, possibly by being the only ones whose /age wasn't reset after the last beta before release or something. Then, it's likely that one of the devs (possibly Andrew) gave Wasabi his mini because he didn't want it for whatever reason, or just wanted to give a gift. Wasabi didn't want it either, or saw an opportunity to make some quick cash and the rest is history.

I can see where this situation would be innocent enough, but would also be taken badly by most of the community simply because Wasabi is not a dev and he got something before everyone else out of favoritism.

If that is what really happened, I'm on the fence about the situation, but definitely outraged about this 'cover-up.' I think it's safe to assume that everything Regina said on her talk page is rubbish, whether she came up with it on her own or was told to say it. Even if what she said was true, I'd like to know why there's some kind of random chance some beta players would get early b-day presents, while others didn't. It doesn't add up; therefore rubbish.

Several member of ZoS already have their minipets. How many devs are members of ZoS?

Joshie0808

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/

26 Apr 2008 at 07:23 - 199

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawn The Divine

Meh, that's nothing, I sold my gold rabbit minipet for 2000 ecto.

Im sorry to break it to you, but they're just pixels on a screen. That's hardly the main point here.

nomoretacos4u

Academy Page

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Clan Dethryche [dth]

26 Apr 2008 at 07:25 - 200

saw these two in kamadan ad1 a few mins ago

i have full screens if people want them