ANet is promoting bad behaviour?
pumpkin pie
hrmz, this would not be here if they have given us pve emotes.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
Taunting/Insulting has nothing to do with competition. It is the idiots who think otherwise.
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Sleeper Service
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Originally Posted by Avarre
Taunting is not the same as insulting.
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verb 1. jeer, mock, tease, ridicule, provoke, insult, torment, sneer, deride, revile, twit, guy (informal) gibe
noun 2. jeer, dig, insult, ridicule, cut, teasing, provocation, barb, derision, sarcasm, gibe
Collins Essential Thesaurus 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2005, 2006
sure its not.
pumpkin pie
I think Arena Net has some how forgot about what they say not to "gloat" and when they release EOTN with the Charr Gloating over your dead body, they thought it be fun to give use the "pleasure" as well. seem they need to check what they say before doing something.
It does not feel good for another player to "gloat" over your dead body, people have done that to me once before, it does not feel good.
Change my mind, now that i think of it, charr doing it is quite cute. lol but definitely not another player.
eeeps, have mental pictures of typing wars on screen ....
It does not feel good for another player to "gloat" over your dead body, people have done that to me once before, it does not feel good.
Change my mind, now that i think of it, charr doing it is quite cute. lol but definitely not another player.
eeeps, have mental pictures of typing wars on screen ....
Sleeper Service
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
I think Arena Net has some how forgot about what they say not to "gloat" and when they release EOTN with the Charr Gloating over your dead body, they thought it be fun to give use the "pleasure" as well. seem they need to check what they say before doing something.
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there is a difference between a computer program PROGRAMED to act like this as part of the story and some twat repeatedly doing it as an insult (effectively replacing or adding to comments like "nub, idiot haha ownd etc").
DarkNecrid
you have problems if seeing a tiger makes you feel bad
edit: also im pretty sure if they don't say anything, it's you perceiving it as an insult, so...
edit: also im pretty sure if they don't say anything, it's you perceiving it as an insult, so...
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
taunt
verb 1. jeer, mock, tease, ridicule, provoke, insult, torment, sneer, deride, revile, twit, guy (informal) gibe noun 2. jeer, dig, insult, ridicule, cut, teasing, provocation, barb, derision, sarcasm, gibe Collins Essential Thesaurus 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2005, 2006 sure its not. |
You can taunt without insulting the other player. This is usually found in cases where the players are not completely immature and don't get upset over trivial victory /rank'ings.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Avarre
Are you being intentionally dense? Fine, I'll play along. You also brought up plenty of other definitions which do not mean the same as insulting.
You can taunt without insulting the other player. This is usually found in cases where the players are not completely immature and don't get upset over trivial victory /rank'ings. |
arcanemacabre
OK, whatever someone's character does to your virtual 'corpse' is about as insulting as someone saying "you suck." If that hurts your feelings, stop dying, or simply stop playing. Stand in town and chat. But beware - someone might still say "you suck!"
From a personal standpoint, I think this update is a load of crap, but not because it's 'insulting.' I will still use my tourney points to get keys, and I will still open that chest because I love gambling (with virtual cash, that is). It's inevitable that I will get this title over time, but I care not. Just a waste of time, IMO. Not like I will use it after the first time just to see it.
So, yeah... "You suck!"
From a personal standpoint, I think this update is a load of crap, but not because it's 'insulting.' I will still use my tourney points to get keys, and I will still open that chest because I love gambling (with virtual cash, that is). It's inevitable that I will get this title over time, but I care not. Just a waste of time, IMO. Not like I will use it after the first time just to see it.
So, yeah... "You suck!"
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
I am pretty sure most people don´t mind mocking or teasing from good friends or people you know well. The same done by a complete stranger is an insult.
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What is usually considered insulting taunting is typically done over chat, and that's up to the players, not ANet.
Mystica
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They should just add the emotes to post-proccess so we can disable them through the options menu or add the option to disable emote rendering. Problem solved.
They should just add the emotes to post-proccess so we can disable them through the options menu or add the option to disable emote rendering. Problem solved.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Avarre
A lot of it depends on the kind of taunt. Ranking is pretty tame - it's not much different than /cheer or whatnot, and that even from a stranger isn't much.
What is usually considered insulting taunting is typically done over chat, and that's up to the players, not ANet. |
It is the decision of the taunted, if they think it is a tease or an insult, not yours. That is why, you should just not taunt at all. It is the best way to avoid misunderstandings.
For example "Spear chucker" is not insulting to me. But apparently there are enough people, that think otherwise and therefore that word is forbidden in GW.
Sleeper Service
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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
you have problems if seeing a tiger makes you feel bad
edit: also im pretty sure if they don't say anything, it's you perceiving it as an insult, so... |
what it like...being fungus? fun? get enough humidity? dont really need light do you.
yes im taunting you, but im sure you wont notice.
nothing personal necrid, just making a point.
as a side not yes i perceive it as an insult. but in no way does that make me feel insulted, at least online.
Rhaegor Stormborn
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Originally Posted by Sniper22
imo this emote is kinda rude and they should just remove it now...
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Mystica
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
gosh i mush be a hell of a lot more perceptive that you then.
what it like...being fungus? fun? get enough humidity? dont really need light do you. yes im taunting you, but im sure you wont notice. nothing personal necrid, just making a point. as a side not yes i perceive it as an insult. but in no way does that make me feel insulted, at least online. |
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
as a side not yes i perceive it as an insult. but in no way does that make me feel insulted, at least online.
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In other words, anything can be "perceived as an insult," especially over the internet where it is very difficult to tell the true intentions of others (no body language, facial expressions, etc.). Flashing this emote of a spear (and whatever else) gouging into the corpse of an enemy you just gouged with a spear (or whatever else) to make into a corpse really doesn't sound insulting, or even taunting. It sounds like you're trying to make sure they're dead. It sounds like a bit of fun in the moment. It sounds almost RP - not insulting, all in good fun.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
gosh i mush be a hell of a lot more perceptive that you then.
what it like...being fungus? fun? get enough humidity? dont really need light do you. yes im taunting you, but im sure you wont notice. nothing personal necrid, just making a point. as a side not yes i perceive it as an insult. but in no way does that make me feel insulted, at least online. |
QQ moar?
Sleeper Service
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMAQWhM9Oc4
people taunting other people in RL is bad. but hey if its ok in gw then gogogo!
people taunting other people in RL is bad. but hey if its ok in gw then gogogo!
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
people taunting other people in RL is bad. but hey if its ok in gw then gogogo!
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Yeah, its ok in gw. Pretty sure. Unless we're going to start crusading against that, too.
Woop Shotty
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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
I'm waiting for the QQers to show up when they abuse this and get banned.
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Sleeper Service
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
So, I can say that I perceive you telling me I look good as an insult, so it must be? I mean, even if I don't feel insulted?
In other words, anything can be "perceived as an insult," especially over the internet where it is very difficult to tell the true intentions of others (no body language, facial expressions, etc.). Flashing this emote of a spear (and whatever else) gouging into the corpse of an enemy you just gouged with a spear (or whatever else) to make into a corpse really doesn't sound insulting, or even taunting. It sounds like you're trying to make sure they're dead. It sounds like a bit of fun in the moment. It sounds almost RP - not insulting, all in good fun. |
its like people saying shit like "your dad is gay!" or whatever, yes its an insult but hey...
Ranking is perceived as an insult because since day one the general consensus ingame has been that ranking over a dead body is an insult.
i didnt make that up, its just the way it came to be. now you can say what you like about it being justified or logical or whatever its a FACT. Even Anet clued up to it.
looks like they changed their minds about it but its a bit too late now no?
just saying that sheesh.
JR
Ranking is percieved as an insult because PvE players get trashed in PvP and get feel spited that they are unable to get that flashy emote that just danced over their corpse.
I don't think any serious PvP player has ever actually taken it as much more than a joke, simmilar to playful pre-match banter. I remeber [FoSa], one of the first big tombs guilds to get into GvG, used to full-team tiger rank dead Guild Lords. It was pretty funny, and nobody got mad about it.
Get real, get a grip, lighten up. This is a game. It greatly amuses me that the only people complaining about ranking being bad sportsmanship are people who have never been seriously involved in PvP in the first place. Why exactly do you care?
I don't think any serious PvP player has ever actually taken it as much more than a joke, simmilar to playful pre-match banter. I remeber [FoSa], one of the first big tombs guilds to get into GvG, used to full-team tiger rank dead Guild Lords. It was pretty funny, and nobody got mad about it.
Get real, get a grip, lighten up. This is a game. It greatly amuses me that the only people complaining about ranking being bad sportsmanship are people who have never been seriously involved in PvP in the first place. Why exactly do you care?
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
Ranking is perceived as an insult because since day one the general consensus ingame has been that ranking over a dead body is an insult.
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Just look at how many rage at others for trying to help by suggesting skills or giving price checks. They see those as insults because of their embarrassment for 'not getting it right,' and take it out on those trying to help.
Not saying that 'ranking' is trying to help, but it is just the victor's way of celebrating their kill. It's not greifing. It's not intentionally trying to ruin someone else's fun. It's simply people getting in the moment of an exciting battle and celebrating it. It's the emote version of saying "Woo! Take that!" While the corpse hears "You suck!"
romeus petrus
It's amazing how they were able to come up with something cheaper (as in a cheap shot) than Rank spiking.
Surena
Never been playing in a sports team? Soccer, basketball? Went to Championships? Taunting the opponent or "insulting" him (real insults deserve punishment) is before the match, during the match and afterwards. It's omnipresent wherever you face competition and it's a natural part of it.
Yes, there are people that really do this to boost their little ego (which is what people generally fear here - humiliation by assholes) but better point with them and laugh because in the end there are other things that'll matter than stroking on the internets. Let's hope you end up better.
Yes, there are people that really do this to boost their little ego (which is what people generally fear here - humiliation by assholes) but better point with them and laugh because in the end there are other things that'll matter than stroking on the internets. Let's hope you end up better.
Sleeper Service
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Originally Posted by JR
Ranking is percieved as an insult because PvE players get trashed in PvP and get feel spited that they are unable to get that flashy emote that just danced over their corpse.
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Originally Posted by JR
I don't think any serious PvP player has ever actually taken it as much more than a joke, simmilar to playful pre-match banter. I remeber [FoSa], one of the first big tombs guilds to get into GvG, used to full-team tiger rank dead Guild Lords. It was pretty funny, and nobody got mad about it.
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Originally Posted by JR
Get real, get a grip, lighten up. This is a game. It greatly amuses me that the only people complaining about ranking being bad sportsmanship are people who have never been seriously involved in PvP in the first place. Why exactly do you care?
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if i went to a local MTG tourney and some opponent started jeering or mouthing off and that was OK by tourney standards IE: you solve the problem on your own because there is no behavioral "rule" then i can tell you...that would be one SHORT tourney.
im not saying that Anet is promoting bad behavior, but the behavior its promoting is assimilated with bad behavior because it has been cast as such.
@ arcane, i totally hear what youre saying but it doent really matter what a minority thinks does it.
general perception is what counts in this case.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Many only consider it an insult because they're already angry for losing. At that point, just about anything the enemy does could be construed as an insult. For some, even a simple and congratulatory "gg" could be an insult.
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"gg" is an insult, if for example everybody knows that it is not true. Then it is pity.
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Just look at how many rage at others for trying to help by suggesting skills or giving price checks. They see those as insults because of their embarrassment for 'not getting it right,' and take it out on those trying to help.
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JR
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
here we go with the pve bashing, something that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
i dont think npcs give a damn.
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
im not saying that Anet is promoting bad behavior,
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but the behavior its promoting is assimilated with bad behavior because it has been cast as such.
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Lets face it, this title doesn't even serve the same purpose as ranking someone. Ranking is about showing your supposed superiority "I'm a pro tombs player, therefore better than you". The Zaishen title doesn't have any kind of meaning like that, and therefore isn't going to be used in such a manner.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Surena
Never been playing in a sports team? Soccer, basketball? Went to Championships? Taunting the opponent or "insulting" him (real insults deserve punishment) is before the match, during the match and afterwards. It's omnipresent wherever you face competition and it's a natural part of it.
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Neo Nugget
Well....if you die in PvP then get /ranked and report them, that's a little more unsportsman like than /ranking someone for something so silly.
I highly doubt that people get even temp banned for that....but if they do for some odd reason, that is absolutely insane.
I highly doubt that people get even temp banned for that....but if they do for some odd reason, that is absolutely insane.
DarkNecrid
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Maybe the enemy team knew you would lose, but you did a much better job than they expected. That's still a good game.
JR
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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget
I highly doubt that people get even temp banned for that....but if they do for some odd reason, that is absolutely insane.
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Now that's funny.
Ctb
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The only exception is if they just give up. Then I just don't say anything. If you show up and try, it was a good game.
Surena
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
No, it is not a natural part of it. No matter how many times people try to say that, to justify their own behaviour as assholes.
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Originally Posted by JR
Just over a year ago someone was temp banned for ranking over Andrew Patrick's corpse in GvG.
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Darkobra
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Originally Posted by JR
It has everything to do with the subject at hand. If not, please explain to me why PvE players are the only ones who are at all bothered by this being 'cheap' or 'insulting'?
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Sleeper Service
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Originally Posted by JR
Just over a year ago someone was temp banned for ranking over Andrew Patrick's corpse in GvG.
Now that's funny. |
Gli
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Originally Posted by Surena
Nobody needs to be an asshole to taunt or to mock for fun.
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Luminarus
The only thing that sucks about this, is that anet introduced a whole new title, with its own emote, whilst theres no title for gladiator, champion or commander.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
does that not sum up this whole thread?
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He's been the only known case of someone getting banned for /ranking.
countesscorpula
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Originally Posted by Wakka Wah
this emote just will make a PvEr feel like he/she is a god when they kill someone in PvP, do to them looking up a build on PvXwiki and getting lucky.
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You get Zaishen keys by spending Balth Faction or Tournament Reward Points.
You can only get those by PvPing.
So... PvEers are going to have high ranks in this? Higher than the HA ranks they don't have? Really?
Maybe we should think things through a bit more before trolling along the riverside...