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DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

09 May 2008 at 13:58 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by countesscorpula

You get this title by using Zaishen keys.

You get Zaishen keys by spending Balth Faction or Tournament Reward Points.

You can only get those by PvPing.

So... PvEers are going to have high ranks in this? Higher than the HA ranks they don't have? Really?

Maybe we should think things through a bit more before trolling along the riverside...

i heard you get money in PvE

c/d?

EDIT: also the monthly RP hand outs

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

09 May 2008 at 14:05 - 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gli

Actually, yes, you need to be an asshole to have fun at someone else's expense.

What exactly is the expense? Losing in a videogame? Does it really hurt your deepest feelings? You entered with the risk of losing. Insults lead to a ban, ranking is no insult, it's either humiliation (and you're a sorry idiot if you get affected by it) or for the laugh, especially if you know each other.

Now while you like to talk about extremes, let me tell about the other extreme where you reside: Carebears.

Carebears like to be hugged every meter, moment, second, achievement even when combatting other players, they need appreciation in whatever they do and they demand it. They are the exact kind that doesn't belong into PvP (no, I'm no elite PvPer) because they'd be the first ones to beg for ingame blue helmets and helicopter escorts so that they never lose in any given situation.

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

09 May 2008 at 14:08 - 123

Let me get this straight,

Anet has NEVER stated that ranking over corpses can possibly lead to a ban?

so that story about a guild getting booted due to inappropriate conduct (ranking) is what....myth?

in any case anet has clearly given out the message that its fine to do so now. so its all really a moot point.

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

09 May 2008 at 14:09 - 124

why do you bother jr

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

09 May 2008 at 14:09 - 125

You ever watch WWF/RAW Wrestling? I don't think there's another SPORT where you'll see so much taunting before and after a match. Guys and gals getting stomped on even after they've lost. So, society itself has promoted this way of sportsmanship. Yes, I know that wrestling is theatrical, but, you climb into the ring with one of them and tell me how theatrical of an experience you had.

Look at the thousands of people (who take their children) to watch this stuff and we all know children are influenced by what they see when they are young. So, this emote is really like a WWF/RAW thing it's just theatrical nothing serious just in yer face stuff for entertainment.

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

09 May 2008 at 14:09 - 126

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkobra

No it doesn't and you can't explain what doesn't exist. But if you can without so much as a shred of fact, will you be my lawyer?

PvP players have always thought of corpse ranking as just playful taunting. PvE players are the only ones who seem to have an issue with it. Look at this thread, and that becomes fairly evident.

So why do PvE players care more about this amusing part of PvP gameplay more than PvP players do? They lose more often than they win, and/or sour grapes over not being able to get the emote themselves?

Can you give me another sensible reason?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

why do you bother jr

I like Anet, as a developer, and anyone who has had much experience with other MMO developers would probably feel the same way. I think they make a lot of good decisions, but often fail to justify them or fully explain their goals or intentions. For some reason I feel compelled to do that for them.

tmakinen

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

www.mybearfriend.net

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

E/

09 May 2008 at 14:10 - 127

Personally I consider all taunting that is not done in jest between good friends rude. I also hold rude persons in as high a regard as I would somebody who's proud that he was never toilet trained. It's ok as long as they keep off my carpet because I like to keep it clean.

Well, time to do less PvP I guess.

GourangaPizza

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

R/W

09 May 2008 at 14:11 - 128

Quote:

Originally Posted by countesscorpula

You get this title by using Zaishen keys.

You get Zaishen keys by spending Balth Faction or Tournament Reward Points.

You can only get those by PvPing.

So... PvEers are going to have high ranks in this? Higher than the HA ranks they don't have? Really?

Maybe we should think things through a bit more before trolling along the riverside...

Never been to Temple of Balthazar?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

Can you give me another sensible reason?

Maybe they have certain preference over the animals shown in the rank? (E.g. They hate tigers but love phoenix.)

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

09 May 2008 at 14:13 - 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorondor Port

Now the rich pve's can buy their way into an emote.

oh but still no skill

You can do that with the Hero title aswell. Yes, people actually sell fame.

Although I agree with this. If PvE'ers wanted equality because PvP'ers got /Rank, why not remove /Rank?
That will get rid of that form of gloating, but this one just doubled it.

And /Rank was only there because title's didn't used to exist.

countesscorpula

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Gwen Is [EVIL]

N/

09 May 2008 at 14:13 - 130

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

i heard you get money in PvE

c/d?

EDIT: also the monthly RP hand outs

So they use their gold to buy keys from the elite PvPers who are the only ones skilled enough to earn them? At 125,000 gold for the first rank (assuming 2.5k per key), and 50,000 plat for the max rank... You're actually worried that tonnes of players are going to throw down 50,000,000 gold to max this title and Zrank someone in HA?

Well, fyi, players with that kind of cash aren't that common... maybe you know a player with that kind of dosh, but I don't. It would take 50 storage vaults just to hold that much gold. So, except for the few that managed to slip through the armbrace dupping scandal, I don't expect many to be "buying" this rank with gold.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

09 May 2008 at 14:23 - 131

I've just realise that this is a "global" emote for everyone who is able to gain Balthazar points.

I think this is it. its just been wrongly introduced. So chill everyone, didn't we ask for emote for the other PvP titles?

Regarding the rude part:

althought the way Arena Net says may sound like its rude, I think we as the player should use it in a not rude manner.

In my opinion, to be fair, Balthazar Points gain from doing HA should be excluded for gaining this emote BECAUSE they have already used said Balthazar points in getting the existing emote.

didn't notice the buyable part, erm WTH, MAKE THE KEY NON-TRANSFERABLE! i am not gonna have a title that someone else can buy. sheesh.

countesscorpula

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Gwen Is [EVIL]

N/

09 May 2008 at 14:28 - 132

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlasticBlue

Maybe they just wanted the PvE'ers to have a /rank that they can use against the /rank'ing Charr in EotN?
I hope this stuff is just so bad cause they are way to busy making GW2 uber good...

Then why not make the /rank something more appropriate to PvE titles? The primary source for this title is a PvP mechanic... I honestly think this was geared towards the PvP player.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

09 May 2008 at 14:31 - 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

Ranking is percieved as an insult because PvE players get trashed in PvP and get feel spited that they are unable to get that flashy emote that just danced over their corpse.

No. I don't feel spited that I don't have the flashy emote - I want it for personal accomplishement (nothing big, but better than what I have ATM

). I feel spited because to your average guy, it means that because he has this emote (and sometimes only because he's got the emote) he's automatically better than I am.

Let's see what goes through your average Johnny-boy's head:
I'm leet! I killed him! And this emote proves that I'm even BETTER than him IN GENERAL. I'm a much, much better player than the guy I just killed (or rather, sometimes, that my team killed... but I'm not gonna tell that). I'm so hot.

Then you team up with Johnny, who overextends then yells at the monk for not healing him, then ragequits saying everyone else in this team but him sucks.

THAT's my experience with the average PvP player - the guy who brags about being super-duper-godly by showing his rank as I die in front of him, then I team up with him and you realize he can't even play decently in the same or a different context.

And people wonder why PvPers are generally regarded as arrogant to a PvEer's eyes.

Anyways, that's pretty much why I'm so-so about the emotes, because your average player will judge you on it and not about your actual skills (dude, it's flashy! it's better!!!111!). And yes, I'm somewhat worried about this new one... especially with what ANet's been promoting.

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

E/

09 May 2008 at 14:35 - 134

Quote:

Originally Posted by countesscorpula

So they use their gold to buy keys from the elite PvPers who are the only ones skilled enough to earn them? At 125,000 gold for the first rank (assuming 2.5k per key), and 50,000 plat for the max rank... You're actually worried that tonnes of players are going to throw down 50,000,000 gold to max this title and Zrank someone in HA?

Well, fyi, players with that kind of cash aren't that common... maybe you know a player with that kind of dosh, but I don't. It would take 50 storage vaults just to hold that much gold. So, except for the few that managed to slip through the armbrace dupping scandal, I don't expect many to be "buying" this rank with gold.

It's easy enough to get rank 1 at any rate. I don't PVP, all I do is guess on the Xunlai House once a month and bingo, I get at least 100 RPs a month. Got 125 yesterday as it goes, blew them on the chest and got halfway to rank 1 already.

So yes they are "buyable" but unless you're pining for a high rank it's easy to get the lower ones without spending anything or PVPing.

I can't say as I'm fussed with this at all. To me it's just another pointless title that I won't max out, with or without the emote. I could have made a killing on the keys, but I like to gamble with them, y'know. For fun...

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

09 May 2008 at 14:44 - 135

Surena, why should people be forced to take this from a buyable title then?
Please take the rest of the communities opinions at hand aswell, if they get pissed off, and the majority of them do, then ANet have obviously made a wrong decision.

Not to mention ANOTHER buyable / farmable emote.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

09 May 2008 at 14:45 - 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surena

What exactly is the expense? Losing in a videogame? Does it really hurt your deepest feelings? You entered with the risk of losing. Insults lead to a ban, ranking is no insult, it's either humiliation (and you're a sorry idiot if you get affected by it) or for the laugh, especially if you know each other.

Now while you like to talk about extremes, let me tell about the other extreme where you reside: Carebears.

Carebears like to be hugged every meter, moment, second, achievement even when combatting other players, they need appreciation in whatever they do and they demand it. They are the exact kind that doesn't belong into PvP (no, I'm no elite PvPer) because they'd be the first ones to beg for ingame blue helmets and helicopter escorts so that they never lose in any given situation.

I have no idea what all this has to do with anything I said. I wasn't talking about anything that happens in this particular game. I actually couldn't care less about what happens between random players in this silly little game, because I won't be one of them. All I said was a very general, totally non-GW related: "Actually, yes, you need to be an asshole to have fun at someone else's expense."

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

09 May 2008 at 14:56 - 137

Humiliation is very bad, Surena. I do not think it should be in anyone's power to do that to another person, nor should anyone want to do that to anohter person. people play game to have fun not get humiliated.

I am thinking you have maybe used the wrong word.

Rift

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

Canada

Virtual Love [kiSu]

09 May 2008 at 14:56 - 138

Are the Charr rude for Tigering your lifeless corpse? Has anyone reported them?!

In Mortal Kombat, no one cried over an oponent using a 'finishing move' once your life bar dropped to zero.

Emoting is not the problem, it's more indivduals' attitudes and the dialog that follows it, typically induced by the anonymity of the internet.

On the bright side you get a nice animal or spear falling on your head, and not some teabagging joker.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

09 May 2008 at 15:01 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

Is there any proof of this? Because if true that would have been completely and utterly totally ludicrous. I've seen a few people claim this yet I've never seen proof of it. I'd love to see the links to official proof of this.

In any case,

Nothing is wrong with emoting over someone's body. Don't like it, then don't lose.

They even made fun of that by making the Charr [Gloat].

I never heard of anyone getting banned for using an emote. Probably some stupid chat lines where the reason, and the culprit thought it was the emote.

countesscorpula

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Gwen Is [EVIL]

N/

09 May 2008 at 15:06 - 140

I suppose the could make the title non-buyable by customizing Zaishen keys. Just like PvP armor and weapons.

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

09 May 2008 at 15:08 - 141

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

Surena, why should people be forced to take this from a buyable title then?
Please take the rest of the communities opinions at hand aswell, if they get pissed off, and the majority of them do, then ANet have obviously made a wrong decision.

Not to mention ANOTHER buyable / farmable emote.

Don't get me wrong, I can totally understand when people care about their favorite game and don't want it ruined. However it's mostly inappropriate because there's a certain lack of sight (besides the drama).

Most titles are farmable or buyable (Alcohol? Sweettooth? Wisdom? FFF? etc..), even Champion points could be farmed with idiot builds and you can still pay per fame (if such services still exist).

This addition is just another of those buyable title tracks, yet mostly those care that don't have the gold and visit forums frequently (the majority is NOT here). If you'd get 100 points per key, you'd have much much less complaints here.

Coraline Jones

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Modified Soul Society

Mo/R

09 May 2008 at 15:12 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

You ever watch WWF/RAW Wrestling? I don't think there's another SPORT where you'll see so much taunting before and after a match. Guys and gals getting stomped on even after they've lost. So, society itself has promoted this way of sportsmanship. Yes, I know that wrestling is theatrical, but, you climb into the ring with one of them and tell me how theatrical of an experience you had.

Look at the thousands of people (who take their children) to watch this stuff and we all know children are influenced by what they see when they are young. So, this emote is really like a WWF/RAW thing it's just theatrical nothing serious just in yer face stuff for entertainment.

I think that you wanted to say "WWE/TNA", because the WWE changed their name years ago to get away from the complaints from the World Wildlife Fund. In addition, Monday Night RAW is just a show from the WWE, the other major competitor outside of the McMahon dynasty is Total Nonstop Action Wrestling, a.k.a. "TNA".

In any case, trying to compare WWE/TNA to Guild Wars is totally ridiculous. In pro-wrestling, you don't even need to be good at wrestling. If you are good at the mike and can get a lot of heat, then that's all it takes to become World Champion. Also, pro-wrestling is almost entirely about acting like a jerk and having a 'tude on purpose. It's just TV. But I guarantee that in any online game out there, acting like a jerk is not exactly the selling point of the game.

I think that it's pretty disappointing that ArenaNet decides that a new emote and title track are the best methods to inject life into a game. I wonder how many people would have seriously voted for this kind of game improvement over a random dozen suggestions mentioned in the Index Of Ideas sticky on Sardelac.

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

09 May 2008 at 15:17 - 143

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Humiliation is very bad, Surena. I do not think it should be in anyone's power to do that to another person, nor should anyone want to do that to anohter person. people play game to have fun not get humiliated.

I am thinking you have maybe used the wrong word.

No, but I might be too drastic (besides my bad English) in expressing what I am trying to say. People are too thinskinned, they LET themselves feel humiliated in a game where the opposite person doesn't have a single effect on one's life. You have to think this through and through, maybe then you'll understand that wasting energy being angry and annoyed is wasted energy if it happens in/under such terms.

You can do that with real problems that trouble your life.

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

09 May 2008 at 15:21 - 144

not sure if it was the best move tbh but really it would only be abused by the same people that /rank others.
still its a nice enough title i suppose.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

09 May 2008 at 15:22 - 145

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surena

Most titles are farmable or buyable (Alcohol? Sweettooth? Wisdom? FFF? etc..), even Champion points could be farmed with idiot builds and you can still pay per fame (if such services still exist).

And when did I not say these title could be bought?

And the Champion title requires you to be rating 1200+.

Quote:

This addition is just another of those buyable title tracks, yet mostly those care that don't have the gold and visit forums frequently (the majority is NOT here). If you'd get 100 points per key, you'd have much much less complaints here.

I wouldn't stop complaining about it. It's still a stupid addition.

And yeah, those buyable title tracks don't give you some emote now do they? Maybe except Hero.

Sol Is Pyrrhus

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

The Spearmen [치치치치]

Me/

09 May 2008 at 15:55 - 146

First off, no one ever got banned for ranking. I'm pretty close with several devs, and no one has ever gotten banned or lost fame (lolwtf) for ranking a corpse.

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

09 May 2008 at 15:56 - 147

/rank
/zrank
/flex
/dance

I dont know about you girls..but i feel a whole lot better!
The only way this emote could have been better, if it was a finishing move.
Impale opponent with spear, lift corpse into the air..and spike it down into the ground..."Finish Him!"

GG anet..This emote rocks..and now im Broke.
Years of Farming...down to 10k in one day.
Zr2

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

09 May 2008 at 16:03 - 148

ArenaNet actually encouraging this... and I used to take screenshots and contact PlayNC about unsporting behavior...

T. Drake

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

R/Me

09 May 2008 at 16:03 - 149

Izzy played too much Team Fortress 2.

Taunting the enemy is a common thing there :P

At least it's nothing like in "Rune". I don't want to explain what players could do with decapitated bodies. (No it's actually nothing perverted)

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

09 May 2008 at 16:28 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coraline Jones

I think that you wanted to say "WWE/TNA", because the WWE changed their name years ago to get away from the complaints from the World Wildlife Fund. In addition, Monday Night RAW is just a show from the WWE, the other major competitor outside of the McMahon dynasty is Total Nonstop Action Wrestling, a.k.a. "TNA".

In any case, trying to compare WWE/TNA to Guild Wars is totally ridiculous. In pro-wrestling, you don't even need to be good at wrestling. If you are good at the mike and can get a lot of heat, then that's all it takes to become World Champion. Also, pro-wrestling is almost entirely about acting like a jerk and having a 'tude on purpose. It's just TV. But I guarantee that in any online game out there, acting like a jerk is not exactly the selling point of the game.

I think that it's pretty disappointing that ArenaNet decides that a new emote and title track are the best methods to inject life into a game. I wonder how many people would have seriously voted for this kind of game improvement over a random dozen suggestions mentioned in the Index Of Ideas sticky on Sardelac.

Actually my POINT wasn't about the comparison as much as it is about "what is being taught/influenced" by wrestling. People especially the young are being taught that taunting is FUN, it's funny and it's FUN to WATCH others get HUMILIATED. That's what wrestling that we see on tv does. Also once again you say you don't have to even be a wrestler, you have no clue as it takes more effort and work not to get hurt or hurt someone in those bouts than it does in a real wrestling match. As I said before if you think what they do is fake, you crawl into a ring with one of them and watch them break you into pieces.

Then let's look at endzone celebrations in Pro Football spiking the ball doing boogoo dances in yer face sort of actions. And just yesterday I saw a pitcher to the choo choo chug with his fist after he struck out Dellucci whom had hit some home run off of him just a few games ago. Taunting and in yer face is just a fact of life. If you've ever been DOWN on a football field there's a lot of smack talking going on every play. I remember it well in Jr. High and High School. Taunting is part of strategy to get people to lose focus of the game.

Just today I sat on a sins face after I beat him in AB. And for the rest of the entire battle he made a beeline for me and I beat him over n over and either danced or sat on his face some more. lol See I made him lose focus of the match and we won.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

09 May 2008 at 16:38 - 151

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol Is Pyrrhus

First off, no one ever got banned for ranking. I'm pretty close with several devs, and no one has ever gotten banned or lost fame (lolwtf) for ranking a corpse.

Actually, what JR said is true. Someone did get temp banned for ranking Andrew Patrick's corpse in a GvG game.

It's the only case tho.

-Sonata-

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Pretty Hate Machines [NIN]

Me/

09 May 2008 at 16:47 - 152

Ranking a corpse is all in good fun.

Ranking a corpse with the addition of a wall of text like "You suck you <censored> noob! Eat <censored>!" Add on a bunch of "Mom" stuff, another half-dozen swear words, Whispers with nothing but insults, even 30 minutes after the battle ended, and then it becomes an issue.

Anet isn't promoting the bad behavior. Players take care of that themselves; Rank emotes, or no rank emotes.

Noel Hope

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

America

[SBP]

Mo/

09 May 2008 at 17:02 - 153

To all who are complaining about /zrank ...
Please, lighten up, it's just a game.

Don't participate in PvP if you can't handle the "humiliation" of being /ranked by a bunch of computer pixels :P

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

Me/

09 May 2008 at 17:02 - 154

Quote:

And it also just goes to show how annoyingly overzealous some sickly winners can be, too.

Wait... why would winners dislike rank flashing? <_>

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The edge of reason

I don't play any more.

W/E

09 May 2008 at 17:04 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuuda

Wait... why would winners dislike rank flashing? <_>

What I meant is more like this... If we had no sore losers complaining every time they got posthumously ranked, and if we had no sore winners giving their victims posthumous rank flashings, there would not be this problem in the first place.

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

09 May 2008 at 17:21 - 156

Sure there would..
I would still /Flex on your dead body..then dance.
Has nothing to do with rank.

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The edge of reason

I don't play any more.

W/E

09 May 2008 at 17:23 - 157

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

Sure there would..
I would still /Flex on your dead body..then dance.
Has nothing to do with rank.

Meh, do I have to make a case for every instance?

It's all the same.. /flex, /dance, /whatever.. It all boils down to arrogant little kids getting all high and mighty over an online game.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

09 May 2008 at 18:03 - 158

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...7&postcount=20

Someone already rank 9, tell me they did not do it in a day. I mean tell me they did not buy the keys.

Syntonic

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

09 May 2008 at 18:58 - 159

Welcome to the internet. Seriously, you need a thicker skin if you find ranking someone to be insulting. Just rank them back or zrank them back depending on which you have. Even people in AB have bambis and what not. People seem to fail to realize that gaining fame in HA was never really that hard if they actually tried hard at getting it - plenty of gimmick builds to fall back to.

Mister Muhkuh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Germany

Ugly Ducklings [ugly]

P/

09 May 2008 at 19:01 - 160

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

Because HA is High end PvP and AB is one of the lowest (there's always Fort Aspenwood and that one place no one visits anymore *forgot name*)

the time HA was high end pvp ended like a year ago... just for you to know