PvE skill reversion, what do you want to see?

I would personally like to see the people who will inevitably complain that the skill split is useless simply because Anet didn't revert their favorite skill back to its most overpowered state put to death. I don't particularly care what method is chosen.

This is my prediction: once the skill split is rolled out, we're going to have two camps. We're going to see the bitching from the PvP players because the wiki's most popular team builds are being nerfed to uselessness (as usual), and the PvE players will whine about how the PvE reversion wasn't exactly what they wanted.

Both sides claim that they want a balanced game but everyone knows this is bullshit. The PvP idiots want their ultra-invincible spike builds to abuse, and the PvE morons want every monster dead at their feet with no effort. Previously Anet could take both groups in stride by simply ignoring them and balancing as they see fit. Now they've made their job harder by having two skillsets to look after and two different sets of people complaining about the updates.

Add to that the confusion left behind by the polymath player who excels in PvP AND PvE. With two sets of skills to look after, many things will require more attention and I'm sure we'll see more than one idiot Wammo screaming DOOD UR NOOB HB DSNT WORK LEIK THAT IN PVP GOD NOOB GO BACK 2 FARMING.

This may turn out to be a bad prediction with the reality being much brighter. Or much more grim. Either way, I'm in favor of the death penalty for all those uselessly vocal failures.

I don't know many people here. So - is this some kind of irony?

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As for LoD; - Why? Pressing on a key every 5s to push your whole party without thinking is just bad. If 2 Monks carry that Elite, it just gets too easy.

Yeah, it was awesome buff!

(Here we go, people asking for buffs to already damned buffed skills. Whats next, buff splinter weapon? remove minion limit? Oh, wait ...)

Nerf (some) PvE-only skills, buff (some) real skills. On the whole that would make everything a wee bit better, but without being over-powered like pve-only skills.

I like the functions of PvE only skills, but some of them are SO overpowered that people simply use them as a substitute for actually working to accomplish something.

As a player who enjoys a little bit of solo farming here and there - the way some others enjoy fishing IRL - I'd like to point out that all the three mentioned skills are essential for particular families of builds affected by past nerfs caused by PvP concerns.

Stoneflesh Aura - staple of any invinciele build. The currently reduced duration makes it inconvenient to use.

Mystic Regeneration - used by a Mo/D 55 in degen heavy areas like Zehlon Reach HM.

Energizing Wind - used to be solo trapper's best friend, currently useless for that purpose.

What is it that you find ironic in there?

Who says they are going to unnerf anything in PvE? The dev notes say future balances will be split, meaning they will leave PvE as it is and just concentrate on balancing PvP.

Also a lot of ths skills mentioned here wern't even used in PvP, except in joke builds.
For example, Stoneflesh Aura and Mystic Regen were nerfed because of PvE farming not PvP, so why would they get changed back?

From what i'm reading here PvErs are expecting some huge mega buffs to all there favourite skills and everything to be a mega wow nukage splinter weaponfest and they are going to be very disappointed.
The game still has to have some balance or PvE would just be a massive overpowered joke.

Excluding Ursan and PvE skills, skills are fine in PvE right now. ANet, don't give in... however many skills you buff/revert, these people will just ask for more.

Dev notes specifically state: "... With such a system we can revert high-impact nerfs, such as Light of Deliverance and Defensive Anthem, to make them strong again in PvE. ..."

"Watch Yourself!" reverted, please. Make it useful again. The whole Tactics line while you're at it.

Fair enough, I never saw that. But the rest of my post still stands, some people are expecting mega overpowered crap and buffs to skills that were nerfed due to pve abuse not pvp. As in your post, MR and SA were never used in PvP except for retarded builds.

This will end in tears.

You'd complain, there have been more buffs than nerfs over the last 3 years.

I don't really care whether its a buff or a nerf. I am only interested in the consequence of drastic change. Call me a psycho, but I always love it when uncertainty and instability is part of life.

P.S. I wasn't around for the 1st 3 years, so I wouldn't really know. Thats why to me, whether its truely nerfs or buffs, is often relagated to perceptions, rather then real experience. Hence, to me, a drastic reversion can be considered as "change".

2 words...

Splinter Weapon.

For the sake of truly enjoyable farming, please bring it back.

I dont get it.

Why do poople want to bring overpowered skills back?
Isnt PvE boring enough without them?

O.o

Any PvPer with a clue wants "ultra-invincible spike builds" out of the game.

As for PvErs, I don't think anyone here is even pretending that they want a balanced game.

There is too much clutter in this thread ... let me simplify all posts above this one.

Every skill that was overpowered then fixed .. revert to overpowered form

Every skill that was balanced but buffed into being overpowered - leave it alone

See wasn't that much easier?

Splinter Weapon
Energizing Wind

...so that some of my old farming builds may live again!

Of course not! It's supposed to be casual activity. When I go fishing IRL I want it to be a good excuse for not doing very much anything except enjoying the scenery. I don't want it to be an extreme sport where fishes have an equal chance of catching me. For competition and fair play there's always PvP.

@ Forc

Perhaps it is boring ..(I think not) and bringing back 'overpowered' skills will make it more fun (?)

Meh.

I want the SR Timer removed for example - not because it is necessary or because I fail @ PVE without it.....just because it was fun to reap energy from the abundance of corpses at my feet.

It also felt much more 'natural' ~ the whole concept of Soul Reaping as a function just feels clumsy with a timer attached to it ><

'oh I won't take energy from that corpse because I think I have had my fill for the last 15 seconds'

/Signed for bringing back pet corpses

What's overpowered in PvP often isn't overpowered in PvE. Some skills such as "Watch Yourself" really deserve a revert for pve.

I don't see why there's so much hate about this change and I also don't see why people automatically assume they're gonna start making seperated pve skills ridiculously strong. Sometimes a skill gets nerfed because of it's abuse in PvP and that skill becomes useless in both formats even though it could be fine for PvE. What this change should do is fix that problem. PvPer's will be glad to see an overpowered skill kept in check, and PvE'ers will be glad that it's still viable for them. If you're the type that does both, it's a double win.

I find it funny that people are already jumping to conclusions even though they haven't even implemented it yet.

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