I hate vanquishing

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by deya
Simple answer:

Stop vanquishing.
That's what I was going to say! Stop thinking my thoughts a head of time!

Off topic: Dan, I love your avatar. I lol'd.

explodemyheart

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltaic Annihilator
I went to the spot you showed me, during the that vanquish, i already took out that patrol...you dont need to go all the way in to get to them
It's not a patrol people were talking about. Up that little path there is always a lone Stormseed Jacaranda. You did not go up close enough to see it on the mini map. You did not even get close enough to see it using ctrl.

inchoate

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Psycho Titans

E/R

I had the same problem. I had a patrol that took forever to find. I eventually turned around and re-traced my steps. Ran into them almost immediately.

Personally, I loved Vanquishing. Just me, heroes and henchies wandering the wilderness killing anything that moved. I was almost disappointed when I'd finished.

Kapral

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

[LOD]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears
I personally can see enough little spots where you weren't, where such a single creepy thign could have been hiding from you XD

And in this area are mostly absolutely no patrols. All monsters there don't move very far away from some spots. There is no monster there, that likes to marsh from 1 point to another. all creatures there have mostly fix areas, where they stand around.

Uhm, you know, that you can see Monsters and NPC's, when pressing alt+contrl? When not, use it ever, it will drastically reduce the chance, that you will oversee a creature next time and change in the options menu the setting so, that you wil see the names ever with full color, regardless how far they are away from you.
So. Many. Comma. Splices.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Angelus...
Don't forget the Mandragors, I see a little spot where you could have missed some.
Popups don't count to the total until you pop them, unless they're changed it.

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

This thread is about vanquishing, nothing else. If you can't stay on topic, I will delete your posts.

Lothlorian Sassun

Lothlorian Sassun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Dragonestos

N/

Yeah Patrols are the worst part of Vanquishing. I remember it took me forever and a day to vanquish Vulture Drifts in the Prophecies Desert. There was this one Patrol of Hydras that I just could not find for the life of me. Finally found them to the east and got the vanquish.

placebo overdose

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

N/

i hate when you think you miss one and kill that last group to find another one still out there grrr

Omnidragon42

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Pantheon of Shadows [dei]

W/A

I had a few zones like that, snake dance being the worst. Just expand your U map to cover the screen and spend a minute or two carefully looking for any spots you might have missed.

Alleji

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

I never quit but I did spend upwards of 20 minutes several times looking for the last group/patrol/whatever.

MoriaOrc

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

It never takes me and my friend more then about 10 minutes to find that "one last patrol." You learn how to spot places that they could be after a few maps. Of course it will take longer if you are soloing, but that's just the way it is.

Friar Khan

Friar Khan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

California

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
A better idea is to have something like the quest marker thing that selects the closest enemy once you've killed 90% of the enemies. Make it orange or something.
That's a very good idea actually.

Washi

Washi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears
And in this area are mostly absolutely no patrols. All monsters there don't move very far away from some spots. There is no monster there, that likes to marsh from 1 point to another. all creatures there have mostly fix areas, where they stand around.
Bladed Termite

CagedinSanity

CagedinSanity

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Away from you.

W/

Took me 20 minutes to find a damn plant in that same zone (on the OP).

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

If you don't like something don't do it, it's as simple as that.

Screensaver91

Screensaver91

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2007

[PhD]

I did Anvil Rock once, spent over one hour looking for the minatour patrol group. After running around in circles like an idiot, I finally gave up, left and paid someone to do the zone for me. Now I need 4 more zones(across all continents) to get legendary vanquisher...too lazy to finish though lawl, its been like this for the past two months!

Laylat

Laylat

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarkin
Be metodic... i walk and made all borders first, and for the last walk in the center, dont go for any team try to be systemic, but kill any "walking team" of foes, some patrols walk all area...
I agree. Unless you spot a group that is abviously a patrol, don't go after the mob groups. If the map is square and I start from the west, I like to go north to south to north, etc...

If I do miss a group, I auto run to "likely" places and press tab repeatedly. I find it less stressing on my pinky :P

Best advice, look at the map and think "if I were a monster, where would I be hiding?" Hehe. Good luck on your future vanquishing if you choose to keep at it

Davros Uitar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Fool Wolves

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Screensaver91
I did Anvil Rock once, spent over one hour looking for the minatour patrol group. After running around in circles like an idiot, I finally gave up, left and paid someone to do the zone for me. Now I need 4 more zones(across all continents) to get legendary vanquisher...too lazy to finish though lawl, its been like this for the past two months!
This one made me smile - we had the same problem at Anvil rock - that group of sprinting monotaurs that does the full circuit. You need 2 speed boosts to catch them and what party goes HM vanquish with 6 man and puts 2 speed boosts on a member. After chasing them and failing for about 10 mins we parked 5 members in one spot and I went and chased thier asses clean around the circle. Twas painful, but not as bad as repeating things would have been.

Nanood

Nanood

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Supermans Crystal Palace

Legion Of The Dark Sun

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltaic Annihilator
I went to the spot you showed me, during the that vanquish, i already took out that patrol...you dont need to go all the way in to get to them

It's not a THEM.. It's just one lone plant by himself and I can see by your travel path that you would not have got him. But hey.. I spent ages on that map too and for the exact same reason.. I thought I had been everywhere but guess what.. I hadn't.

In the area outside Ice Tooth Cave in tyria that has a 3 minator patrol group that run around the whole area. Since they run 25% faster you can't catch them and have to wait for them to do a full lap. Sucks when you don't know that the first time in.. bastards..

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Tyrian desert can indeed be a beast. Huge areas, tons of mobs and many patrols.

I spent more time looking for the last few mobs there than anywhere else.
I really wished that the pets of my heroes could track down the last foes...^^

I know it can get frustrating, but at the same time it is also part of the fun of vanquishing to find them.

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

That's why I love my Legendary Vanquisher Title

And a tip for anyone vanquishing North Kryta Province in Tyria, don't forget this particular spot:



:P

dunky_g

dunky_g

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

[SNOW]

Was Vanquishing today with Vic.

Lagged out, Wireless died with about 6 kills left!

hour wasted..

.. but i wasn't that bothered. just went for a run.

*EDIT* just logged on, and its counted as vanquished. score.

Thizzle

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2008

I've only vanquished Bukdek Byway and that's all I ever want to vanquish.

jhu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
Legendary Vanquishers are a dime a dozen these days. Ursan killed all the prestige there ever was in the title. Why does anyone even bother getting such a silly title any more? Surely that time would have been better spent learning or practicing for tournaments that actually have tangible rewards.
because it still takes an inordinate amount of time to accomplish still. using ursan doesn't change that fact.

FlamingMetroid

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by jhu
because it still takes an inordinate amount of time to accomplish still. using ursan doesn't change that fact.
seriously
Ursan just made it faster, there wasn't any skill involved to begin with, you just needed a lot of time.

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

Quote:
Originally Posted by jhu
because it still takes an inordinate amount of time to accomplish still. using ursan doesn't change that fact.
That doesn't really answer the question. Why do people want to waste an inordinate amount of time? I know the answer (HoM), but I don't understand it. At one point Leg. Vanquisher might have been a flashy title, but not today with GWAMMs numbering in the thousands.

Apoc

Apoc

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Montreal, Canada

Quebekers Alliance [QKA]

W/

A guildie and I vanquished Mirror of Lyss last night; took us about 20 minutes to find the last group (rain beetles). They were on a small land beside the river and by looking on the map, it looked like an "unreachable" zone.

jhu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
That doesn't really answer the question. Why do people want to waste an inordinate amount of time? I know the answer (HoM), but I don't understand it. At one point Leg. Vanquisher might have been a flashy title, but not today with GWAMMs numbering in the thousands.
really, why do anything in this game then?

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

I already answered that. Tangible rewards. Be it a zaishen key or three or a new computer courtesy of whoever is sponsoring the latest tournament.

Vanquishing has none of that.

ValaOfTheFens

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Warrior Nation[WN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thizzle
I've only vanquished Bukdek Byway and that's all I ever want to vanquish.
That's the easiest place to vanquish. Just go with someone with Chasing Zenmai active and all you have to do is kill 4 guys.

I absolutely hate Arborstone. It seems impossible to H+H it. Once I managed to survive the AoE damage from Splinter Weapon my guys have all died once or twice and this is only at the entrance. Plus I had a hard time killing the Monk boss. I guess it was my fault for not bringing any Enchant removal.

Monk In The Box

Monk In The Box

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

Deutschland und in mein zimmer

[한국어]

Mo/Me

Hold Ctrl down and look

jhu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
I already answered that. Tangible rewards. Be it a zaishen key or three or a new computer courtesy of whoever is sponsoring the latest tournament.

Vanquishing has none of that.
guardian, protector, cartographer, etc. also don't give any in-game benefits. and yet people still do it. you talk about tangible rewards. what are the odds that you will actually be good enough to win the real-life prizes? it'd be much simpler to just get a job and buy it instead. so, again, why do anything at all in this game?

eskerod

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

Quote:
Originally Posted by ValaOfTheFens
That's the easiest place to vanquish. Just go with someone with Chasing Zenmai active and all you have to do is kill 4 guys.

I absolutely hate Arborstone. It seems impossible to H+H it. Once I managed to survive the AoE damage from Splinter Weapon my guys have all died once or twice and this is only at the entrance. Plus I had a hard time killing the Monk boss. I guess it was my fault for not bringing any Enchant removal.
Nope - Tahnnakai Temple with the quest "A Meeting With the Emperor" active - then only 2 foes have to be killed - if you do it right

And if you got a Fachtion Char - then ZEN Daijun area are the most easy area to Vanq at all - when u have finished the quest "An Unwelcome Guest" - then enter the zone from Seitung Harbor - and u only have to kill one pet - Tiger or Crane...

MrSlayer

MrSlayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

United Kingdom

Quit Whining And [PLAY]

Mo/

You people are so retarded. This is a game. You play it for enjoyment. If you don't enjoy vanquishing, then don't do it...find a different element of the game, and play that instead. There isn't a "point" to any of this...it is for entertainment. I'm sick of seeing all these QQers whining about vanquishing and saying that the titles are a waste of time and too common.

This isn't real life. There isn't a "point" to any of it. Just to have fun.

distilledwill

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apoc
A guildie and I vanquished Mirror of Lyss last night; took us about 20 minutes to find the last group (rain beetles). They were on a small land beside the river and by looking on the map, it looked like an "unreachable" zone.
I H/Hed this area a few weeks ago and the same group eluded me for quite a while. I dont mind trying to find the final group, if you are comprehensive then its not usually a problem.

If you hate vanquishing, then don't vanquish. Job done.

Maximumraver

Maximumraver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

The Netherlands

Twisted Revenge [TR]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by psycore
worse when GW bugs out and you fail a vanq cause of an anet coding error.
Barbarous Shore, me + 2 Guildies/Friends, gw crashes and doesn't reconnect, exactly 2 minutes before we completed the vanquish... >_>

dunky_g

dunky_g

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

[SNOW]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSlayer
You people are so retarded. This is a game. You play it for enjoyment. If you don't enjoy vanquishing, then don't do it...find a different element of the game, and play that instead. There isn't a "point" to any of this...it is for entertainment. I'm sick of seeing all these QQers whining about vanquishing and saying that the titles are a waste of time and too common.

This isn't real life. There isn't a "point" to any of it. Just to have fun.
QFT

if you dont like it, dont do it, but dont QQ about the people that are doing it.

Adja1005

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

Scotland

R/

I found Sacnoth Valley in the Charr Homelands to be an absolute bitch to vanquish, so many bloody grawl and that huge group of charr in the big camp really pissed me off. Thank god for consets and nicotine or i would have just /rage quit then and there lol.

Melody Cross

Melody Cross

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Alliance of Anguish [aOa]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSlayer
You people are so retarded. This is a game. You play it for enjoyment. If you don't enjoy vanquishing, then don't do it...find a different element of the game, and play that instead. There isn't a "point" to any of this...it is for entertainment. I'm sick of seeing all these QQers whining about vanquishing and saying that the titles are a waste of time and too common.

This isn't real life. There isn't a "point" to any of it. Just to have fun.
+2. Vanquishing was a challenge for me. Thats why I enjoyed it--even when it was frustrating--and continue to help others when they ask for help on a vanq.

For the OP and others who are H/Hing the title:

You're right. If not the biggest problem with vanquishing, the search for those last few enemies was a regular source of frustration from GWP through EoTN. Often, it was a patrol that I was missing. Here's a few tips that helped alleviate some of the problem:

1. Don't just hold control down. Sometimes, you'll still miss the mob if its off in a corner and hard to see. the TAB key, on the other hand, will autolock onto any monster that is within its range (CTRL's range). Tapping TAB every couple seconds can really help find a mob thats in a corner somewhere, hiding from view.

2. If, after mapping the area you've vanqed you still cannot find the group or monster, flag your heroes and henchmen as you sweep the second time. If a patrol is crossing paths with you at odd times, the chance of your team hitting them will increase as you spread out. Players who vanq 8v8 often break into separate groups-or single players--to find the last mob. This is the same principle. It gives you four points--at the least--that you won't have to continue going over in your search. Unless its a boss mob (and how could you miss one of those with all those nice wiki pages on them )the little DP you may gain is more than worth the time you will save by doing this.

3. The nice thing about H/Hing is that you aren't on someone else's schedule. If you're getting frustrated, walk away. Go to the kitchen and get a drink. Whatever you do that helps you cool off, take the time to do it. many people here say vanquishers have too much free time on their hands. That may be true, but most of my vanquishes took...well over an hour. They didn't take so long because I suck (at least, I like to think thats not he reason). They took so long because I was doing my laundry, watching a movie or something, cooking dinner or any of a myriad other things than just playing GW. Seriously; your heroes won't get upset with you if you step away from a few minutes to add fabric softener or make a sammich

Hope this helps those still seeking the title.

GGs

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

Quote:
Originally Posted by jhu
you talk about tangible rewards. what are the odds that you will actually be good enough to win the real-life prizes?
My point is not that you set your sights on these rewards, which are in the end paltry and don't justify the time spent to earn them. My point is that at least a reward exists and is theoretically attainable. Vanquishing, cartography, guardian, and the rest of the grind titles have no reward whatsoever. The title is no longer enough of a reward, as it just means you'll be one of the thousands who also have it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jhu
it'd be much simpler to just get a job and buy it instead. so, again, why do anything at all in this game?
Put that way, that really is an interesting question, isn't it?