A/E Master Sliver of Swiftness - HM Farming!
Mr. Undisclosed
Is there a certain rank reccomended for EBSoH?
XzDazedzX
AoE, touch and all that jaz will get through SF.
Spells like Lava Font and Meteor Shower hit you if they get cast on another target...such as the terrorwebs casting on some nub that runs into the aggro during a HM UW run.
Personally, I think that massive takedown in higherend areas (burning forest in FoW and everything but smites and charged darknesses in UW) is better done with an A/Me.
If anyone has any questions I feel pretty seasoned with a A/Me...so feel free to PM me.
Happy hunting
Spells like Lava Font and Meteor Shower hit you if they get cast on another target...such as the terrorwebs casting on some nub that runs into the aggro during a HM UW run.
Personally, I think that massive takedown in higherend areas (burning forest in FoW and everything but smites and charged darknesses in UW) is better done with an A/Me.
If anyone has any questions I feel pretty seasoned with a A/Me...so feel free to PM me.
Happy hunting
Widowmaker
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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed
Is there a certain rank reccomended for EBSoH?
It is simply the higher the better. Each rank adds 1 second to the duration and 1 damage; but even at rank 1 it is an extra 6 damage per hit and an eleven second duration which will last for the majority of the time you have sliver up.
ReZDoGG
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Originally Posted by XzDazedzX
AoE, touch and all that jaz will get through SF.
Spells like Lava Font and Meteor Shower hit you if they get cast on another target...such as the terrorwebs casting on some nub that runs into the aggro during a HM UW run.
Personally, I think that massive takedown in higherend areas (burning forest in FoW and everything but smites and charged darknesses in UW) is better done with an A/Me.
If anyone has any questions I feel pretty seasoned with a A/Me...so feel free to PM me.
Happy hunting
A/E Sliver and A/Me Radiation Cry of Pain are both great for farming, each one has its own advantages/disadvantages. Sliver is great for places where you can gather alot of enemies together, and good for against enemies with heals. A/Me is great for places where degen can killing enemies easily. For example, A/Me radiation really not effective for farming FoW spider cave, but Sliver is pretty good... A/Me probably can farm Spider Cave a bit more thorough, but it would take a long time when you can only take 3 spiders at once. Conditions against Spiders are also not so great, as they have pretty good regen... Not really tested, but I have tried A/Me for Spider Cave once before. A/Me is great for farming the Shadow Army Rangers, Abyssals, and the Beach. A/E Sliver can still farm those same areas, but might take alil longer, but of course Sliver is great for taking on as many Cave Spiders as you can pull.
I also was one of the first few to use A/Me Radiation build, as the creator had showed me the build one time in ToPK (few months before it was released here on guru). I don't think he knew how great the build was outside of ToPK until I told him about the areas I had farmed with it. I took it to as many areas as I could think of, including UW. So I got pretty comfortable using the build with many variations. I used it for quite awhile and was very impressed. But now with A/E Perma with Sliver, it is possible to farm way more places, and farm those places where A/Me was not as effective. In the end, both builds are great to use, I recommend getting experienced with both of them.
Spells like Lava Font and Meteor Shower hit you if they get cast on another target...such as the terrorwebs casting on some nub that runs into the aggro during a HM UW run.
Personally, I think that massive takedown in higherend areas (burning forest in FoW and everything but smites and charged darknesses in UW) is better done with an A/Me.
If anyone has any questions I feel pretty seasoned with a A/Me...so feel free to PM me.
Happy hunting
A/E Sliver and A/Me Radiation Cry of Pain are both great for farming, each one has its own advantages/disadvantages. Sliver is great for places where you can gather alot of enemies together, and good for against enemies with heals. A/Me is great for places where degen can killing enemies easily. For example, A/Me radiation really not effective for farming FoW spider cave, but Sliver is pretty good... A/Me probably can farm Spider Cave a bit more thorough, but it would take a long time when you can only take 3 spiders at once. Conditions against Spiders are also not so great, as they have pretty good regen... Not really tested, but I have tried A/Me for Spider Cave once before. A/Me is great for farming the Shadow Army Rangers, Abyssals, and the Beach. A/E Sliver can still farm those same areas, but might take alil longer, but of course Sliver is great for taking on as many Cave Spiders as you can pull. I also was one of the first few to use A/Me Radiation build, as the creator had showed me the build one time in ToPK (few months before it was released here on guru). I don't think he knew how great the build was outside of ToPK until I told him about the areas I had farmed with it. I took it to as many areas as I could think of, including UW. So I got pretty comfortable using the build with many variations. I used it for quite awhile and was very impressed. But now with A/E Perma with Sliver, it is possible to farm way more places, and farm those places where A/Me was not as effective. In the end, both builds are great to use, I recommend getting experienced with both of them.
petrorabbit
I don't get the whole stupid A/E vs A/Me mentality.
Its on the same freaking character slot, and as easy as pressing K, click on the drop down menu, and load.
Maybe some people are too cheap to pay 500gold for a Mesmer or Elementalist secondary, and a couple more Platinum for the skills?
Learn both, so you can use whichever is more efficient for whatever you want to farm.
Its on the same freaking character slot, and as easy as pressing K, click on the drop down menu, and load.
Maybe some people are too cheap to pay 500gold for a Mesmer or Elementalist secondary, and a couple more Platinum for the skills?
Learn both, so you can use whichever is more efficient for whatever you want to farm.
Dark Paladin X
I use special variation of this for farming at the chaos planes:
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It's the same as your sliver one except I use dwarven stability and dark escape to outrun the charged blacknesses. I use it to farm ectos.
OwZTkY/8ZS6jHRnBZgHKX8usBCA
It's the same as your sliver one except I use dwarven stability and dark escape to outrun the charged blacknesses. I use it to farm ectos.
ReZDoGG
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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
I use special variation of this for farming at the chaos planes:
OwZTkY/8ZS6jHRnBZgHKX8usBCA
It's the same as your sliver one except I use dwarven stability and dark escape to outrun the charged blacknesses. I use it to farm ectos. Yeah, Dwarven Stability is great for keeping up Dark Escape. If you run quickly through Twin Serpent's without stopping, you won't have to aggro any groups of Charged Blackness, as I mentioned in your thread.
OwZTkY/8ZS6jHRnBZgHKX8usBCA
It's the same as your sliver one except I use dwarven stability and dark escape to outrun the charged blacknesses. I use it to farm ectos. Yeah, Dwarven Stability is great for keeping up Dark Escape. If you run quickly through Twin Serpent's without stopping, you won't have to aggro any groups of Charged Blackness, as I mentioned in your thread.
Golgotha
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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG
Yeah, Dwarven Stability is great for keeping up Dark Escape. If you run quickly through Twin Serpent's without stopping, you won't have to aggro any groups of Darkness, as I mentioned in your thread.
You mean Charged Blacknesses, right? Just to avoid confusion.
ReZDoGG
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Originally Posted by Golgotha
You mean Charged Blacknesses, right? Just to avoid confusion.
Yes, of course... thats what I mean't. 
I'm sure he know what I mean't anyways 
I'm sure he know what I mean't anyways
psycore
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I really, really like this build. Nice ecto, but would it hurt for you to resize your screenshots?!
I really, really like this build. Nice ecto, but would it hurt for you to resize your screenshots?!
Elite Bushido
its not even that big.... barely fits half 1/3 of my screen
>__>
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doug
nub question, but can I only obtain the 'intensity' skill if I am an Elemantalist primary? Just wondering as my primary prof. is Assassin :P
cheers
cheers
ProgTes
No, you can get it no matter what your primary profession is as long as your secondary is Elementalist.
A Leprechaun
How good/fast is this build at farming the FoW spider cave? Better than W/Mo or W/R?
~A Leprechaun~
~A Leprechaun~
Vexed
Ok, I'm sure I'm not the first to accomplish this, but I was able to clear the entire ToPK including the Darkness with this build in about an hour and a half. Most of the run was worthless but I got 3 ectos on the way, a couple golds, and it was seriously awesome getting 6 green drops at the end even if they're mostly useless these days.
Made up for all those failed runs back in the day with lame PUGs and, even worse, getting to the end and seeing other guys get 2-3 greens and me not getting any
The run was pretty easy, I found the key was not to agro too many Graspings at a time since they use "Fear Me" to drain your energy. It also helps to know where the Wurms spawn as an untimely KD can cut you short.
Good times!
Made up for all those failed runs back in the day with lame PUGs and, even worse, getting to the end and seeing other guys get 2-3 greens and me not getting any
The run was pretty easy, I found the key was not to agro too many Graspings at a time since they use "Fear Me" to drain your energy. It also helps to know where the Wurms spawn as an untimely KD can cut you short.
Good times!
kicks66
Just an idea, double Eotn points this weekend so a good chance to get your Ebon Vanguard rank up a bit
Dark Paladin X
I tried doing the run to the falls in HM, but there are a lot of scarabs that uses [vampiric touch], can you give any tips to handle these little buggers and what path I should take to avoid them?
ReZDoGG
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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
I tried doing the run to the falls in HM, but there are a lot of scarabs that uses [vampiric touch], can you give any tips to handle these little buggers and what path I should take to avoid them?
It was not really tested, but just an Idea. I am sure it can be done. Maybe try it in Normal Mode? They do drop in NM right? So HM shouldn't matter for getting the greet to drop... You could definately do it in NM as you will beable to shake off any enemies fairly quick. Maybe I'll give it a test run and report back.
Dark Paladin X
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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG
It was not really tested, but just an Idea. I am sure it can be done. Maybe try it in Normal Mode? They do drop in NM right? So HM shouldn't matter for getting the greet to drop... You could definately do it in NM as you will beable to shake off any enemies fairly quick. Maybe I'll give it a test run and report back.
You do get more greens if you do this in HM.
Covah
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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
You do get more greens if you do this in HM.
No. Same chance, but in HM you could get an elite tome or something else as well.
ReZDoGG
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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
You do get more greens if you do this in HM.
Yup, greens are all the same in NM and HM. And about Elite tomes, I am not sure if those monsters are bosses if I remember... Never really tried farming Totem Axe myself.
Yup, greens are all the same in NM and HM. And about Elite tomes, I am not sure if those monsters are bosses if I remember... Never really tried farming Totem Axe myself.
Widowmaker
I had a run up there and got mowed down on the way in HM, but since I'm really only interested in plant fibers I couldn't be bothered seeing about modifying the build to cope. Normal mode is easy enough to get there, but it is quite a long run for what seems like little reward.
If anyone has any suggestions for good places for fibres I'd love to hear them.
If anyone has any suggestions for good places for fibres I'd love to hear them.
ReZDoGG
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Originally Posted by Widowmaker
I had a run up there and got mowed down on the way in HM, but since I'm really only interested in plant fibers I couldn't be bothered seeing about modifying the build to cope. Normal mode is easy enough to get there, but it is quite a long run for what seems like little reward.
If anyone has any suggestions for good places for fibres I'd love to hear them.
Dragon Moss farming using "The New Escort" Quest in Factions. You get alot of Plant Fibers plus Spirit Wood.
If anyone has any suggestions for good places for fibres I'd love to hear them.
Dragon Moss farming using "The New Escort" Quest in Factions. You get alot of Plant Fibers plus Spirit Wood.
ReZDoGG
Update: Shadow Form now does 50% less damage when Active... This means any farming builds that use Shadow Form are now 50% less effective if any damage skills are used. This includes Sliver and Ebon Battle Standard of Honor. Pretty sh*tty f*cking deal if you ask me. Not only did they change Shadow Form, but they actually made it worse than it was before increased duration change. Sliver will need twice as much aggro to get the same jobs done. Farming areas that have strong heals will most likely, not be possible with Sliver farming. Farms will now take longer to complete (up to twice as long) if possible to farm at all...
Well I guess all the whiners/complainers got what they all wanted, just because we all were having alil fun and actually making money at the same time. It is a f*cking game!!! it is supposed to be fun!!
I say everyone make a petition to change SF back, and leave the new chaos plains update alone. I don't see why ectos have to have such a bad affect on every other farm outside of UW. Doesn't make much sense to me. If we can get enough sin fans together, we can have the power to possible change it back.
Oh well, looks like I will be playing another game. My sin has been my main since 2 years ago, and now they are just be messed with all the time now, and be alot less fun to play.
Well I guess all the whiners/complainers got what they all wanted, just because we all were having alil fun and actually making money at the same time. It is a f*cking game!!! it is supposed to be fun!!
I say everyone make a petition to change SF back, and leave the new chaos plains update alone. I don't see why ectos have to have such a bad affect on every other farm outside of UW. Doesn't make much sense to me. If we can get enough sin fans together, we can have the power to possible change it back.
Oh well, looks like I will be playing another game. My sin has been my main since 2 years ago, and now they are just be messed with all the time now, and be alot less fun to play.
Lest121
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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG
Oh well, looks like I will be playing another game. My sin has been my main since 2 years ago, and now they are just be messed with all the time now, and be alot less fun to play. My friend wants to join him in AoC and he willing to pay my Monthly fees. I think i might take him up on that Offer, My sin is also my main and I don't give a F about ectos, I would like to at least be able to farm and make some loot, it really sad how all the QQers are rejoicing about the Nerf really RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing pathetic.
Fleeting
@ReZDoGG- they changed one skill: Shadowform. If this somehow ruins your entire experience with the Assassin profession, then that says something about how "messed up" the profession already was.
As has been said, people adapt or die, and in GW it's not exactly difficult to adapt to anything at all.
As has been said, people adapt or die, and in GW it's not exactly difficult to adapt to anything at all.
ReZDoGG
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Originally Posted by Fleeting
@ReZDoGG- they changed one skill: Shadowform. If this somehow ruins your entire experience with the Assassin profession, then that says something about how "messed up" the profession already was.
As has been said, people adapt or die, and in GW it's not exactly difficult to adapt to anything at all. It doesn't mess up my experience with sins, just gives us less to do, which in return becomes alot less fun to play the game with them. I've always thought games were supposed to be fun. I don't mind challenges myself, but when it comes to nerf'n all farming just because of ectos prices, that is just rediculous to me. I have plenty of secrets farms with my sin, but I don't like to do farms over and over, as they easily get boring to me... I am not much of a big grinder myself, I'd rather mix things up a bit. I like being able to change up things here and there, now it won't be the same. I will be forced to only do a few farms rather than abunch of farms. I mean, farming stuff like the Mantids outside of Nahpui Quarter was something that recently became one of my favorite farms, but now all that has gone to hell... Farming them takes 2-3 times longer, and it is no longer effecient for making money because of that. There was also alot of areas that A/E perma sliver was able to farm, when there was nothing else could. I don't even begin to know how many farms have been nerfed due to the 50% reduced damage... I don't even want to bother to check either, just because it would be a waste of time now.
Games shouldn't be about "Adapt or Die", they should be a way to relax and have alil fun. To me, adapt or die would mean you would lose alot of customers/money if that was what the game was about. Not smart at all for developers.
As has been said, people adapt or die, and in GW it's not exactly difficult to adapt to anything at all. It doesn't mess up my experience with sins, just gives us less to do, which in return becomes alot less fun to play the game with them. I've always thought games were supposed to be fun. I don't mind challenges myself, but when it comes to nerf'n all farming just because of ectos prices, that is just rediculous to me. I have plenty of secrets farms with my sin, but I don't like to do farms over and over, as they easily get boring to me... I am not much of a big grinder myself, I'd rather mix things up a bit. I like being able to change up things here and there, now it won't be the same. I will be forced to only do a few farms rather than abunch of farms. I mean, farming stuff like the Mantids outside of Nahpui Quarter was something that recently became one of my favorite farms, but now all that has gone to hell... Farming them takes 2-3 times longer, and it is no longer effecient for making money because of that. There was also alot of areas that A/E perma sliver was able to farm, when there was nothing else could. I don't even begin to know how many farms have been nerfed due to the 50% reduced damage... I don't even want to bother to check either, just because it would be a waste of time now.
Games shouldn't be about "Adapt or Die", they should be a way to relax and have alil fun. To me, adapt or die would mean you would lose alot of customers/money if that was what the game was about. Not smart at all for developers.
dasmitchies
Once again Anet protects their precious game, Oh wait , I paid for it. I agree with Rezzdog. I was really hoping to make up for lost time on GW and fill my hall for GW2. This nerf was all about the oldskool snobs hating on newer players. Waaaaaaaaaaaa Ectos dropped. My armor isn't as leet. Same garbage from the same crowd. Lets have some real fun. Lets push for Anet to nerf protective spirit. Say, 50% health loss vs. 10%? Lets watch the 600 smite teams cry a little too. PVE economy should not be an issue to the developers. DEMAND should be the only pricing factor. After all, when ectos dropped shards went way up. Once again Anet failed to see the entire equation because of whiners.
petrorabbit
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Originally Posted by dasmitchies
Once again Anet protects their precious game, Oh wait , I paid for it. I agree with Rezzdog. I was really hoping to make up for lost time on GW and fill my hall for GW2. This nerf was all about the oldskool snobs hating on newer players. Waaaaaaaaaaaa Ectos dropped. My armor isn't as leet. Same garbage from the same crowd. Lets have some real fun. Lets push for Anet to nerf protective spirit. Say, 50% health loss vs. 10%? Lets watch the 600 smite teams cry a little too. PVE economy should not be an issue to the developers. DEMAND should be the only pricing factor. After all, when ectos dropped shards went way up. Once again Anet failed to see the entire equation because of whiners.
The sad thing is, they did too much just to solve 1 problem and affected other farms that had nothing to do with the problem.
The changes to UW would have been sufficient to deal with the price of ecto, but the nerf to SF was a bit overboard.
Inadvertently, they not only hurt A/E shadowforms, but also the efficiency of E/A green/tome farmers.
Oh well, at least Diablo 3 is something to look forward to.
The changes to UW would have been sufficient to deal with the price of ecto, but the nerf to SF was a bit overboard.
Inadvertently, they not only hurt A/E shadowforms, but also the efficiency of E/A green/tome farmers.
Oh well, at least Diablo 3 is something to look forward to.
Torrent
Laissez faire anyone?
Torabo
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Originally Posted by Fleeting
@ReZDoGG- they changed one skill: Shadowform. If this somehow ruins your entire experience with the Assassin profession, then that says something about how "messed up" the profession already was.
As has been said, people adapt or die, and in GW it's not exactly difficult to adapt to anything at all. So....
How many Monks do you think will QQ if they changed say... Prot Spirit? it's ONLY one skill right?
Its not a matter of how many skills they mess up.
But rather why that change of skill does.
I'd rather they didn't touch SF given what they did to UW already, but even if they nerfed the length of SF I'd have been fine, as I could still do a bunch of other farms for greens or tomes before this update... now?
I can farm UW at a slightly less efficient rate.... and almost all other SF based farming builds are dead..... thus driving me towards UW farming rather than making me farm elsewhere, kinda defeats the supposed reasoning behind this nerf.
As has been said, people adapt or die, and in GW it's not exactly difficult to adapt to anything at all. So....
How many Monks do you think will QQ if they changed say... Prot Spirit? it's ONLY one skill right?
Its not a matter of how many skills they mess up.
But rather why that change of skill does.
I'd rather they didn't touch SF given what they did to UW already, but even if they nerfed the length of SF I'd have been fine, as I could still do a bunch of other farms for greens or tomes before this update... now?
I can farm UW at a slightly less efficient rate.... and almost all other SF based farming builds are dead..... thus driving me towards UW farming rather than making me farm elsewhere, kinda defeats the supposed reasoning behind this nerf.
MisterT69
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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG
Well I guess all the whiners/complainers got what they all wanted, just because we all were having alil fun and actually making money at the same time. It is a f*cking game!!! it is supposed to be fun!!
I say everyone make a petition to change SF back, and leave the new chaos plains update alone. I don't see why ectos have to have such a bad affect on every other farm outside of UW. Doesn't make much sense to me. If we can get enough sin fans together, we can have the power to possible change it back.
Oh well, looks like I will be playing another game. My sin has been my main since 2 years ago, and now they are just be messed with all the time now, and be alot less fun to play. Don't leave us rez
I agree 100% with you. It's Anet giving in to the QQers because their crystallines arent uber rare l33t items anymore. But stick with it, hopefully we'll get out SF back. In the meantime, others are already finding loopholes in the SF nerf and are able to use it to near full potential. Like plains farming is back thanks to some clever degen builds. So give it time, farmers are smart people, and we'll find ways around any nerf.So screw all those l33tist pricks who are pissed that their 10 stacks of ectos are losing value. more builds will be made and more people will get richer...that's just the way it's gonna be.
Elite Bushido
he's leavin us just like how Dopefish said he was leavin...(then a month later he came back wit like 5 builds =| )
Onyx Blindbow
I can agree with the changes they made in UW the only change I don't agree with is the "50% less damage" change
That change alone has nerfed so many farming builds (from tomes to greens) it's ludicrous.
Nerf's to UW were warranted, nerfs to farming anywhere in the game are not warranted and that is the only thing they need to re-dress imo.
That change alone has nerfed so many farming builds (from tomes to greens) it's ludicrous.
Nerf's to UW were warranted, nerfs to farming anywhere in the game are not warranted and that is the only thing they need to re-dress imo.
Mad King Corn
I agree, this build is now almost worthless for farming greens. Anet has made some really stupid changes and this ranks right up there at the top. It always happens, a few ball babies and anet caters right into their arms without even stopping to thing about the rest of the community or other uses for the skill. Anet said that they ran a query on people using ursan and found that it was not an insignificant number, so they had better tread very carefully with that one, or they may very well lose a hefty chunk of future GW2 customers.
If they have the balls to nerf ursan, then they deserve to lose their customers!
If they have the balls to nerf ursan, then they deserve to lose their customers!
warriorsmiley
Well just recently made a sin because I always wanted a pve sin for dagger skins and armor. The shadowform farming was just a bonus that came along with being a sin. I feel the nerf to the plains was good enough they had no reasoning to reduce damage while in shadowform it was totally uncalled for if you ask me.
niek2004
GJ ANET!
NOT. Nice FAIL. Just the new UW mobs were enough.
NOT. Nice FAIL. Just the new UW mobs were enough.
ReZDoGG
Degen builds still work, but they are limited to what they can farm... some enemies can easily out heal the damage. This is definately rediculous, A/E UW farming is still possible, but other farms outside of UW are pretty much nerfed. Like the old A/E fire builds for farming raptors, they will no longer work for sins... and sliver takes about 5 minutes longer to clear the raptor cave. So, about half of the farms are pretty much worthless now because it will take so much longer to complete, if can be completed at all. Talking about a sh*tty deal. Ecto farm is still in affect for making money, but not making money outside of UW just got harder, when it was harder to begin with. I am sure they will change it back after knowing how bad of a change it was for Shadow Form.
I was farming other places more than farming UW Chaos Plains, and now with the nerf, it is actually going to drive me to farm only UW. Does this make sense? I don't think so. In other words, they are going to drive more people into UW to farm ectos. lol /fail.
I was farming other places more than farming UW Chaos Plains, and now with the nerf, it is actually going to drive me to farm only UW. Does this make sense? I don't think so. In other words, they are going to drive more people into UW to farm ectos. lol /fail.
Cyb3r
yeah the nerf is a total joke fixing the economy? hell no just drives more people to the uw ecto popped to 5.5K for a couple minutes then when the build was adjusted it dropped back to before the nerf
Conclusion all other neat places to farm for sins and for E/A's have been nerfed into oblivion -_-
Conclusion all other neat places to farm for sins and for E/A's have been nerfed into oblivion -_-
Konkadonk
The way I see things, most people are being babies. Personally I have never farmed UW, and I have FoW armor, various sets of 15k and various rare skins. I know Assassins have been hit hard, but why don't you try thinking about other, less fortunate classes (Paragon anyone?). Some classes don't get as good a break as Sin did, and for many of you the short time that SF was overpowered has made you rich.
Next point is that FoW armor, tormented weapons, Crystallines etc. are prestige items. You can get a weapon with perfect stats even if you suck ass and never farm. Prestige items are prestigious for a reason; they are rare. Why should a common scrub be able to have all the greatest looking gear even though he hasn't done a fraction of the hard work that the devoted hardcore player has to obtain it?
Next point is that FoW armor, tormented weapons, Crystallines etc. are prestige items. You can get a weapon with perfect stats even if you suck ass and never farm. Prestige items are prestigious for a reason; they are rare. Why should a common scrub be able to have all the greatest looking gear even though he hasn't done a fraction of the hard work that the devoted hardcore player has to obtain it?