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phan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

phantasmagoria

13 Jun 2008 at 17:52 - 1

Hello ,

No this is not a QQ thread or a whine thread .

Let's assume that Guildwars is devided in 2 parts : PvP & PvE [each 50/50]

Why would Anet let 50% just enter godmode by pressing 3 skills .

If people can't see that this isn't good for a game .. well then its time for glasses .

Guildwars is a team game ; with 8 skills on your bar and 8 players in a team .
not 3 skills for Godmode .

Reactions I don't want to see ;

Make an assasin if your jealous . I have one and i don't really like him and yes it's wrong to use a char. for one skill .
lolz noob i needz ectos ; You farm mass Globs to buy nice and mostly expensive things . Do you think you will be happy if you join Random Arenas and all other 3 players have the same as you .
Anet has given up balance . I'm still hoping they haven't
No i'm not jealous because people are getting the nice & cool items . I don't have them , don't need them and i just played some PvE for fun (I heard PvP was serz bus).I think it's an achievement if I come home ; have 2 hours of spare time and i don't really feel like doing anything , i can load up 6 heroes and try and clear FoW . These new skills just ruined that =)

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

13 Jun 2008 at 17:54 - 2

It's not good for the game, but neither is Ursan, PvE skills in general, the actual skill split (for reasons like this), or a lot of other things they did.

/signed

but I'm not going to lie and tell you it's gonna happen.

It isn't.

Riceboi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

13 Jun 2008 at 17:56 - 3

Make an assassin if your jealous .
lolz noob i needz ectos
Anet has given up balance

phan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

phantasmagoria

13 Jun 2008 at 17:59 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riceboi

Make an assassin if your jealous .
lolz noob i needz ectos
Anet has given up balance

Wow ; your so funny .

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Jun 2008 at 18:03 - 5

All part of the problem, and no answers why. /Sigh

luwe80

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

BK, NY

We Made Mallyx Tap [Out]

13 Jun 2008 at 18:09 - 6

It's not god mode. You can still die. Shock, Whirlwind, etc.
I'm sure there's a bunch of other skills and AOE spells that can get you.
How bout SS on your teammate? would that hit you while under SF?

Why do you care? Nobody is forcing you to farm UW.
Some days I want to do missions so I do them. Other days I want to farm so I do.
Mind your own business and let others play the way they want.

dustbunny

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

13 Jun 2008 at 18:10 - 7

All the uproar is not necessarily about shadowform in PvE. No one cared that they farm raptors with shadowform. So specifically, it's about shadowform faming in chaos plain by assassins.

This isn't unlike the uproar about prot spirit earlier. In that situation, people whined about prot spirit in PvE, but really, it was about prot spirit farming the ice wastes by monks. Did people care that 55 monks can farm minotaurs? Not really. So it wasn't really about 55 monks or prot spirit. It was more about the specific combination of monks, 55-life with prot spirit, and ice wastes that allowed people who farmed it to basically do the GW equivalent of printing their own $1000 bills.

The situation now is exactly the same. Replace the words monk with assassin, 5-life prot spirit with permanent shadowform, and ice wastes with chaos plain, and you have now.

They fixed the earlier situation by fixing the environment of the ice wastes and the labrynth instead of dinking with prot spirit. They added one exceptionally weak monster popup that had the sole purpose of killing the enchantment-reliant farmer monks. They can do the same now by simply giving the mindblades signet of disenchantment.

Damian979

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

13 Jun 2008 at 18:12 - 8

First off, Im guilty of perma,perma,perma whenever it's beneficial

. Though it was still very feasable to maintain before the nerf, now hitting 123 every 28 sec is more like a reflex than a concious thought.

That being said, there are quite a few areas that perma just won't work due to frequent knockdowns, energy denial, monster skills that strip enchants or AOE that strips and/or damages at the same time.

I have to give it to anet though with their give and take mentality, they had to know by removing perma from pvp there would be a serious uproar if they didn't give a little back to compensate. Until they decide it's time for another nerf, I'll take perma over ursan anyday

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Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Netherlands

None but Fools [nuts]

13 Jun 2008 at 18:13 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by luwe80

It's not god mode. You can still die. Shock, Whirlwind, etc.
How bout SS on your teammate? would that hit you while under SF?

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Please do not post if you do not know what you are talking about.

The fact that you mention "SS on a teammate" when the OP is talking about a "solo-farm build" is a painful one.

Edit: This must be the 20th topic on Shadow Form (PvE) this week.

Koricen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2008

[LoA]

13 Jun 2008 at 18:16 - 10

My god, three "nerf sf" threads today. Ever think that maybe Anet wanted farming to be easier? I don't know why they would, but I'm sure the perma SF was obvious to them when they did this. Just because you and a couple other QQ'ers want it changed won't changed it. With the PvP/PvE split they have a way to make farming easier without breaking PvP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan

No i'm not jealous because people are getting the nice & cool items . I don't have them , don't need them and i just played some PvE for fun (I heard PvP was serz bus).I think it's an achievement if I come home ; have 2 hours of spare time and i don't really feel like doing anything , i can load up 6 heroes and try and clear FoW . These new skills just ruined that =)

How did a buff to SF ruin your FoW clearing prospects? Do you use SF when clearing FoW with heroes? If so, how does the increased duration hurt your builds?

It might help if you gave a reasonable suggestion on how it should be nerfed and not just on why.

Thierry2

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Netherlands

Mo/

13 Jun 2008 at 18:19 - 11

I don't mind if they nerf this, as long as they nerf ursan as well.
I don't really care though that so many people are farming UW now. Every1 has FoW armor already anyway and everyone's character looks the same..so.. whatever.

phan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

phantasmagoria

13 Jun 2008 at 18:19 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koricen

My god, three "nerf sf" threads today. Ever think that maybe Anet wanted farming to be easier? I don't know why they would, but I'm sure the perma SF was obvious to them when they did this. Just because you and a couple other QQ'ers want it changed won't changed it. With the PvP/PvE split they have a way to make farming easier without breaking PvP.

How did a buff to SF ruin your FoW clearing prospects? Do you use SF when clearing FoW with heroes? If so, how does the increased duration hurt your builds?

It might help if you gave a reasonable suggestion on how it should be nerfed and not just on why.

Where is the achievement in doing it with 7 people when 1 person can

Rakim B

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

Mo/

13 Jun 2008 at 18:23 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan

Hello ,
No this is not a QQ thread or a whine thread .

I read that line and said, good I can continue reading....Only to realize it was one

Anet knew what they were doing when they put it in and they did it for a reason, plz stop posting new threads about this.

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

13 Jun 2008 at 18:23 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan

Why would Anet let 50% just enter godmode by pressing 3 skills .

Ursan takes one skill.
SY takes two skills.

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

13 Jun 2008 at 18:24 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan

Where is the achievement in doing it with 7 people when 1 person can

if you need to compare what you do to a farming build to consider it an achievement ur doing it wrong.

A Leprechaun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

13 Jun 2008 at 18:25 - 16

I do not know why you play or what you enjoy, but I enjoy playing warrior, buying him items and armour and capping elites.
I use my Sin to farm to earn money to buy things for my warrior, simple as. If Shadow Form was nerfed then it would be harder to earn the amount of money to buy what I want, but it would still be possible it would just take longer. If I had to spend ages and ages farming for the things I want I would, but tbh I am already bored with GW..
To be honest I don't care what you think, I love Shadow Form as it is. How does it actually affect you?

~A Leprechaun~

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

13 Jun 2008 at 18:25 - 17

If it's such a staple elite that it becomes the elite of the class in PvE or PvP, I think it's time for a nerf.

/signed

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

13 Jun 2008 at 18:26 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

If it's such a staple elite that it becomes the elite of the class in PvP, I think it's time for a nerf.

/signed

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Trenixz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2008

A/

13 Jun 2008 at 18:26 - 19

I don't think they should nerf shadow form, they should just add enemies to the chaos planes with [Signet of Disenchantment] or something similar. Kinda like the dying nightmares.

phan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

phantasmagoria

13 Jun 2008 at 18:27 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Ursan takes one skill.
SY takes two skills.

Divine ; i know they are .. but these have already been discussed . Anet saw the thread and didn't do anything about it .

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Leprechaun

I do not know why you play or what you enjoy, but I enjoy playing warrior, buying him items and armour and capping elites.
I use my Sin to farm to earn money to buy things for my warrior, simple as. If Shadow Form was nerfed then it would be harder to earn the amount of money to buy what I want, but it would still be possible it would just take longer. If I had to spend ages and ages farming for the things I want I would, but tbh I am already bored with GW..
To be honest I don't care what you think, I love Shadow Form as it is. How does it actually affect you?

~A Leprechaun~

This do not like - do no use thingie has been discussed enough ;

the_jos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Hard Mode Legion [HML]

N/

13 Jun 2008 at 18:29 - 21

It's easy, people need loads of cash to max their titles.
So lots of farming.
A-net realises that the only way to keep people going is having them grind for the titles so they make farming easier.
And they need to keep people attracted for a year at least.
Hence the SF and Mystic Regeneration buffs.
Expect more in the future.

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

13 Jun 2008 at 18:31 - 22

i suggest the op play pvp if he wants balance and achievements.
pve is meant to feel like godmode. im sure most people wouldnt be happy if pve were truly balanced. that would mean the mobs might kill you about as often as you kill them. team wipes arent very fun.
edit about the edit in post 20: i see the idea is not new to you. dont like it? dont use it. its pve, you can still win.

Ferret Deathsquad

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

Boston, Mass

W/Rt

13 Jun 2008 at 18:34 - 23

Is it a full moon today BESIDES being friday the 13th (insert evil music) What is with the big NERF parade today? I wanna to Nerf people who want stuff NERFED.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

13 Jun 2008 at 18:34 - 24

1. Hey, NEWSFLASH: Perma SF farming chaos plains was already possible with A/Me before the SF buff.

2. Make an assassin if you're jealous.

3. Why, yes, I am planning on using all those ectos to make armor and chaos gloves. No, it wouldn't bother me if I went into RA and saw other people with the same gear. I choose my gear because I like the way it looks, not because I want other people to be impressed by it.

4. No, I'm not jealous that people are getting cool items out of this. I'm getting them too. Everyone wins.

5. Now, if I have one objection to the SF buff, it's that it dumbs down farming. I'd much rather see a build like terra or, even 55-SB, that builds up its invincibility from numerous components rather than one skill that makes you invincible, and a couple of skills to speed its recharge.

6. But you're not making that objection. All I here from you is the "wah wah wah" of someone expressing the "pathetic elitist sentiment." You want a-net to nerf the other players so that they can never acquire the "leet" items/armor/ecto stacks/whatever that make you feel special and superior because you have them and they don't... yet. I've got zero sympathy for that.

Koricen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2008

[LoA]

13 Jun 2008 at 18:36 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan

Divine ; i know they are .. but these have already been discussed . Anet saw the thread and didn't do anything about it

That isn't the type of comment you should use to defend yourself in this situation. There have been complaints and discussions about the buff to SF before it was even buffed. I'm quite sure Anet knows there are a few people that don't like the buff, but they know that there are farm more that do like it. Considering Anet has had ample time to nerf it, and they have done nothing, then talking about nerfing SF falls into the same category as Ursan and SY.

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

13 Jun 2008 at 18:38 - 26

id like to reiterate that i think the op's problem is that he wants to compare himself to other people and come out on top. no problem with that, but if you wanna do that ur gonna have to pvp and win. pve and cool gear are not the ways to show off, it means nothing and everybody has everything anyway.

Rakim B

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

Mo/

13 Jun 2008 at 18:41 - 27

Dear Anet, I don't like gravity, it has been negatively affecting the economy of gw for too long, plz nerf

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

13 Jun 2008 at 18:41 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan

Divine ; i know they are .. but these have already been discussed . Anet saw the thread and didn't do anything about it .

I was just pointing out the fact that Anet doesn't care anymore, at least care about skill balance or what the "good" players think. They only care about the bad players now because they make up the majority of the playerbase.

They rather piss off the small minority and make the game mindlessly easy so that the majority of the clueless players would have OP skills and be happy because they can finally do tasks in HM as if it was easy-mode. The bad majority wants HM to be easy, and this is part of what provides that to them.

When discussing the PvP/PvE separation, I already pointed out that things like this would happen, where PvE skills would become so incredibly OP that the better PvE population would eventually hate it too. But Anet shrugged it off, because all they want is to appeal to the dumb majority.

oliverrr1989

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2008

Lore of Mythos [Myth]

D/

13 Jun 2008 at 18:42 - 29

Read this next line carefully:

People were able to farm UW before.

Shadowform is just another method.
As for it's other uses...doesn't deadly paradox disable attack skills?

EDIT: Also, other people using perma-shadow form does not take away from YOUR enjoyment of the game. Play how you like, it wouldn't bother me.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

13 Jun 2008 at 18:48 - 30

So, why perma SF from all farming builds?

luwe80

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

BK, NY

We Made Mallyx Tap [Out]

13 Jun 2008 at 18:49 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ate of DK

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Please do not post if you do not know what you are talking about.

The fact that you mention "SS on a teammate" when the OP is talking about a "solo-farm build" is a painful one.

Edit: This must be the 20th topic on Shadow Form (PvE) this week.

Please STFU. I do know what I'm talking about. See the part about Shock and Whirlwind. The question part of my post might not directly apply to the OP but it applies to the way SF works.

My post informs the OP about SF and also tries to ask more questions about SF. Your post is a childish attempt to start a flame war, boy. Also, the OP does not mention "solo-farm build" he mentions SF being godmode. Please do not post if you do not know what YOU are talking about.

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

13 Jun 2008 at 18:50 - 32

i feel you on the SF update
even tho i do it myself it's a bit too imba
but well what do you suggest for a nerf on it?
/signed

AshenX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Orange County, CA.

Black Flag

R/

13 Jun 2008 at 19:02 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

If it's such a staple elite that it becomes the elite of the class in PvE or PvP, I think it's time for a nerf.

/signed

The thing of it is that it isnt THE elite for pve. Its just THE elite for solo farming (or running) on an assassin. For general pve I'll take mobius over SF on a sin anyday. In my personal opinion SF is a poor choice for general pve because the warrior or minions on your team standing next to you will be targeted by an aoe spell. In general pve there are far too many ways to take damage that bypass SF.

Solo farming builds are by nature unbalanced. They allow one character to kill mobs intended as a challenge for teams of eight. Perma SF merely adds assassin to the long list of solo farming options.

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

R/

13 Jun 2008 at 19:14 - 34

Get used to it. And I'm more than willing to bet more IMBA buffs to be rolled out in the future on PvE Split skills.

It's the wave of the futer to make the game beyond easy so people keep playing. It's like this, ANet will and no new content, so they are "reinventing" the old content. People that were never hard core famers and never had nice stuff or never did elite misssions due to difficulry will be able to do those sorts of things now and even more so in the future as more buff are rolled out.

Prior to Ursan how many people had done full UW clears? See no new content, but make old content more accessable and therefore hold the interest of players.

Ursan
Consumables
Shadow Form
Level 10's to EOTN
Big fat end chests in FoW/UW
IMBA PvE Only Skills

The changes keep coming to make old stuff more appealing.

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

13 Jun 2008 at 19:17 - 35

Also, consider this: there's a 600/Smite team that CLEARED UW with two people. Can two perma-Sins do that? No. Hmmm... which one should we be complaining about?

People will eventually get bored with playing the Assassins they created JUST to farm one area, and when the favor spike dies (which it's currently doing at an incredible rate) then one way or another the sheer quantity of farmers going into FoW/UW will decrease.

Notice that after weeks of people non-stop SF farming Chaos Planes, the prices haven't dropped on ecto. It's because no one sells it to the trader. It's not ruining the economy at all. If anything, it's stimulating the use of gold sinks like FoW armor and Chaos Gloves. The more money that comes out of the game, the more money will go right back in.

<--is really, REALLY tired of all the whining about whatever gets buffed/nerfed.

afya

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/Me

13 Jun 2008 at 19:57 - 36

Nerf SF because they can farm chaos planes
Nerf 600/smite because they can farm CoF
Nerf terra because they can solo some parts of UW
Nerf farming builds because people can get what you can't.

Riotgear

has 3 pips of HP regen.

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Objective Is More [Cash]

W/

13 Jun 2008 at 20:08 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koricen

My god, three "nerf sf" threads today. Ever think that maybe Anet wanted farming to be easier?

I'm sure that the reason they give you room for 8 people to enter the area is to confuse you, and only truly insightful players will realize they actually intended it to be done with 1.

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

13 Jun 2008 at 20:10 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trenixz

I don't think they should nerf shadow form, they should just add enemies to the chaos planes with [Signet of Disenchantment] or something similar. Kinda like the dying nightmares.

good suggestion BUT
the UW is a core area so the skill they have to add to the mesmers there has to be core too
just to be logic
i know it sounds stupid but it's like that
all enemies in UW have core skills

Nude Nira

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

inside a tanning bed

It's Raining Fame Hallelujah 【傘回傘】

Me/

13 Jun 2008 at 20:16 - 39

I hate all of you.

Stop QQ'ing over a PvE skill ffs...

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

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13 Jun 2008 at 20:23 - 40

/notsigned

Because this thread is stupid and for reasons that have been stated by others.