Ether renewal SF plz.
(Can we even use that phrase anymore... after Ether Renewal got un-Ether Renewal'd?)
Nerf Chaos Plains or Shadowform?
Alleji
lyra_song
Elite Form. (15...35...50 seconds.) Hostile spells targeting you fail, and attacks against you miss. End effect: lose all but 5...41...50 Health. This skill is disabled for 90 seconds.
romeus petrus
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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
No to nerfs on SF, stay the way it is now. Or it will be impossible to farm ectos solo in the UW.
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Jiao Yang
Nerf SF.
Its ridiculous that a skill with that kind of effect can be exploited so much. Another bad update by Anet- a skill which was once unusable is now completely over-powered.
Its ridiculous that a skill with that kind of effect can be exploited so much. Another bad update by Anet- a skill which was once unusable is now completely over-powered.
doudou_steve
the only thing thing that should get nerfed is this thread
Low prices are good.
Low prices are good.
GreatBabai
Maybe instead of nerfing SF or plains just nerf a root of this problem - ecto?
It was never intended to be a trade medium so just make it craftable at artisan - something like 500g, 10 dust, 5 spirit wood planks
It will also somewhat healthy impact gw economics through deflation
It was never intended to be a trade medium so just make it craftable at artisan - something like 500g, 10 dust, 5 spirit wood planks
It will also somewhat healthy impact gw economics through deflation
Sora267
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Originally Posted by GreatBabai
Maybe instead of nerfing SF or plains just nerf a root of this problem - ecto?
It was never intended to be a trade medium so just make it craftable at artisan - something like 500g, 10 dust, 5 spirit wood planks It will also somewhat healthy impact gw economics through deflation |
Shakti
I think they did buff the plains lol. I got to the 1st rider...was dead in 2 hits. Not sure what he did, it happened that fast. Before anyone asks, yes SF was up, it was less than 1/2 way through. I've done the run many times very successfully. Yes, it could've been some weird glitch, but I don't see how. 2 hits from the rider and it was "your party has been defeated"...lol.
Kinda funny actually, I figured they would do something. Gonna test again after my husband gets home and have him hop on his sin to check too. I'm not at all disappointed if they did "nerf" it, rather amused actually. If they did do something it was damn effective lmao
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Never mind. Ran it again no prob as did my husband. I'm almost disappointed, it woulda' been funny as hell. Must have just been a weird glitch, SF showed as running *shrug* O well....the insanity continues.
Don't get me wrong, it is nice to farm for fow this fast in a way...but having run this, it is utterly absurd how this build works
Kinda funny actually, I figured they would do something. Gonna test again after my husband gets home and have him hop on his sin to check too. I'm not at all disappointed if they did "nerf" it, rather amused actually. If they did do something it was damn effective lmao
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Never mind. Ran it again no prob as did my husband. I'm almost disappointed, it woulda' been funny as hell. Must have just been a weird glitch, SF showed as running *shrug* O well....the insanity continues.
Don't get me wrong, it is nice to farm for fow this fast in a way...but having run this, it is utterly absurd how this build works
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
No to nerfs on SF, stay the way it is now. Or it will be impossible to farm ectos solo in the UW.
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enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Because being indefinitely invincible should not be allowed in any online game.
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False Healer
Yeah nerf the sin so I can go back to farming ectos with my monk or my necro or my ele or my war or my rit or my ranger or my derv.... wait what needs nerfed again?
ANET NERF ECTOS NOW!!!
ANET NERF ECTOS NOW!!!
Lord High Pwner
why should anet nerf ectos? Ectos are a payer designated deal, maybe instead of everyone bitching about ecto prices lets raise gold cap, or if people stop paying 100k + then we dont have problem and ectos will be used as armor not trade. Nobody wins in this arguement and as soon as we all figure that out we can all bash each others heads in over a new topic. I for one am tired of hearing the tears drop over SF and ER and ecto prices.
You Look Grim
I like things the way they are. I enjoy low ecto prices ~_~
holababe
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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
don't you guys understand, if you nerf SF, then what are going to equip your heroes with, a useless non-max weapon? SF is the only build that has the capacity to farm green weapons in NM/HM (HM particularly).
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I farmed greens before SF buff and I could still farm them if there was a nerf.
Pleikki
it would be maybe best way Nerf Ecto Drop rates to Really low (so ectos would go 10-15kish/ea so rich ppl would be richer etc)
and aswell nerf good drops from Uw so gold drop rates..
thats how they wouldnt need nerf Sf cus Sf can farm many other places aswell just other places doesnt break the economy so bad.
and aswell nerf good drops from Uw so gold drop rates..
thats how they wouldnt need nerf Sf cus Sf can farm many other places aswell just other places doesnt break the economy so bad.
FoxBat
If you want to "save the ecto", UW has to be nerfed. Obsfleshing the area is really only slightly more challenging/inefficient than SF. I would replace power drain with leech signet, a low impact adjustment for a generic group.
On principle I would think SF deserves the nerf though. Its basically IDDQD, wheras at least 55s and the like have difficulty/failure in many places.
On principle I would think SF deserves the nerf though. Its basically IDDQD, wheras at least 55s and the like have difficulty/failure in many places.
Avarre
ANet just needs to bring out an UW armor crafter that needs 250 ecto for a full set. Prices will rocket, players will be happy, screenshotters will take happy screenshots, and all will be well.
-rightuos-
Anet just needs to grow a pair of brass ones and tell people holding onto ectos too bad. This subject is stupid to even talk about , you all flippin out over SF have Globs of Ectoplasm all wrong. Glob Of Ectoplasm is a rare material. Thats it nothing more. It serves one sole purpose, and thats armor. Just because some dude realized he could get his ectos via trade a couple years ago instead of actually going to UW did not mean it was written in Anet law that this is now some equal commodity for gold...
A lot of you are playing the hypocrite game too. When an idea is mentioned on the basis of "buy a statue worth 100k it stays that value and can only purchased from an NPC and not dropped by monsters". Then the hypocrites jump in with well Anet's reason for the 100k cap on trades was because they didnt believe anything in the game was worth more than that...So then why ya holding onto all the ectos there guy? If the intention is nothing should be worth more than 100k your argument in the ecto subjects is now void.
On subject, nerf neither whats the point. Ectos do not drive the economy, In game items will not fall in price because of ectos, I dont understand why anyone thinks this. An item that would cost 100k and 10 ectos is now gonna run 100k and 15-20 ecto, no drop in price. however the People with a ton of ectos I can see why they would have a problem with this. Ectos like Shards aren't worth anything but what those are willing to pay to get obsidian armor or those looking for chaos gloves. Ectos are not gold, never have been.
A lot of you are playing the hypocrite game too. When an idea is mentioned on the basis of "buy a statue worth 100k it stays that value and can only purchased from an NPC and not dropped by monsters". Then the hypocrites jump in with well Anet's reason for the 100k cap on trades was because they didnt believe anything in the game was worth more than that...So then why ya holding onto all the ectos there guy? If the intention is nothing should be worth more than 100k your argument in the ecto subjects is now void.
On subject, nerf neither whats the point. Ectos do not drive the economy, In game items will not fall in price because of ectos, I dont understand why anyone thinks this. An item that would cost 100k and 10 ectos is now gonna run 100k and 15-20 ecto, no drop in price. however the People with a ton of ectos I can see why they would have a problem with this. Ectos like Shards aren't worth anything but what those are willing to pay to get obsidian armor or those looking for chaos gloves. Ectos are not gold, never have been.
Riceboi
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Originally Posted by -rightuos-
Anet just needs to grow a pair of brass ones and tell people holding onto ectos too bad. This subject is stupid to even talk about , you all flippin out over SF have Globs of Ectoplasm all wrong. Glob Of Ectoplasm is a rare material. Thats it nothing more. It serves one sole purpose, and thats armor. Just because some dude realized he could get his ectos via trade a couple years ago instead of actually going to UW did not mean it was written in Anet law that this is now some equal commodity for gold...
A lot of you are playing the hypocrite game too. When an idea is mentioned on the basis of "buy a statue worth 100k it stays that value and can only purchased from an NPC and not dropped by monsters". Then the hypocrites jump in with well Anet's reason for the 100k cap on trades was because they didnt believe anything in the game was worth more than that...So then why ya holding onto all the ectos there guy? If the intention is nothing should be worth more than 100k your argument in the ecto subjects is now void. On subject, nerf neither whats the point. Ectos do not drive the economy, In game items will not fall in price because of ectos, I dont understand why anyone thinks this. An item that would cost 100k and 10 ectos is now gonna run 100k and 15-20 ecto, no drop in price. however the People with a ton of ectos I can see why they would have a problem with this. Ectos like Shards aren't worth anything but what those are willing to pay to get obsidian armor or those looking for chaos gloves. Ectos are not gold, never have been. |
N1ghtstalker
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Originally Posted by Omnidragon42
Deadly Paradox -> Arcane Echo -> Shadow Form
Wait for it Cast the Echoed Shadow Form By the time the Arcane Echo is back, Shadow Form is as well. The only downside is that it requires more precise timing and /Me does less damage than /E |
Riceboi
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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker
and that's a downside for people so the chaos planes will be farmed less and ectos will stay the original price
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kostolomac
Yeah nerf SF , but then nerf every build that can farm ectos so the only way to get them would be from UW clears. Unless they do that they shouldn't nerf SF or UW.
Zamochit
Leave Sf alone - Leave plains alone - Move glyph of swiftness to the energy storage line with 0 spells effected at 0 energy storage, as Fenix has already suggested.
Fay Vert
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Originally Posted by -rightuos-
Ectos are not gold, never have been.
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Items in GW now fall into 3 basic categories:
1) Worthless: the vast majority of anything these days is totally worthless merchant fodder.
2) Modest value: A number of nice skin/functional greens etc can have a value of a few K to a few 10s of K, not too many of these things around but enough. This is where most trade is done, what you see in trade towns.
3) High end items, these are the super rare skins, tonics and minipets. They go for >100K and without ectos there is no suitable alternative.
The current gold economy only supports trade for category 2 items. Ectos have been a very important currancy for 3 years. Perma is now undermining that.
N1ghtstalker
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Originally Posted by Riceboi
True I'm too lazy to do that lol. Hell I'm even too lazy to use the perma sf right now. =)
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i hate grinding and do repetetive stuff T_T
and i thought online gaming would always offer different stuff like a match of CSS T_T
guess not T_T
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
The current gold economy only supports trade for category 2 items. Ectos have been a very important currancy for 3 years. Perma is now undermining that.
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Oznog
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Originally Posted by kostolomac
Yeah nerf SF , but then nerf every build that can farm ectos so the only way to get them would be from UW clears. Unless they do that they shouldn't nerf SF or UW.
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Or is it just the SF builds that have you all in a twist? If so, why? Nerf em all or nerf nothing.
I say leave it alone. Your precious ecto stashes won't lose all of their value, but now, with the advent of the relatively easy perma SF farm, a few more people will be able to afford some high end weapons and armor. So what. The argument that the SF farm will ruin the economy is a fallacy. The so-called economy has been in shambles forever. PvE balance? Since when does fighting computer generated monsters require balance?
Reading all of the anti-sf threads, the question I keep asking myself is, what is the true motivation of those opposed to sf? The maintaining of personal wealth is my guess...
Oz
Abbess
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
Sorry but Ectos are gold, always have been.
Items in GW now fall into 3 basic categories: 1) Worthless: the vast majority of anything these days is totally worthless merchant fodder. 2) Modest value: A number of nice skin/functional greens etc can have a value of a few K to a few 10s of K, not too many of these things around but enough. This is where most trade is done, what you see in trade towns. 3) High end items, these are the super rare skins, tonics and minipets. They go for >100K and without ectos there is no suitable alternative. The current gold economy only supports trade for category 2 items. Ectos have been a very important currancy for 3 years. Perma is now undermining that. |
Anet will most likely not nerf this run. People complain about ursan and has anything happened there? No. Seriously, Get over yourselves and stop complaining about Chaos plains and SF.
Selket
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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
I'm strongly against duo builds when it comes to farming because when one player gets a drop like an ecto, the other player may result in a rage leave/quit. And nerfing SF like ends after X amount of spells/attacks would really piss people off.
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Sorry.
Abbess
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Originally Posted by Selket
I'm strongly against people who have no grasp of how2play or real understanding of the economy.
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Productivity
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Originally Posted by Oznog
Reading all of the anti-sf threads, the question I keep asking myself is, what is the true motivation of those opposed to sf? The maintaining of personal wealth is my guess...
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So what's wrong with everything becoming cheap? Well nothing in itself. However, if that happens, you no longer have an economy. An economy revolves around wealth, ability to produce and rarity and all three are linked in together. The SF update has taken these significantly out of line and will leave them permanently that way if nothing is done about it. Then you have a system where everyone has everything and no item means anything in terms of wealth. Sound good to you? Maybe it does, but to me, it looks like you may as well put a 'J menu' in for PVE with all skins unlocked.
Personally I'd prefer to play a game with a functioning economy, where different items mean something and take some level of commitment (be it skill or time) to acquire. As it is, you're just playing Guild Wars with an all items cheat mode on if SF is left to continue on (which isn't all that different from the way the game design is heading as ursan/consumables may as well be a god mode cheat).
Edit: The reason why I support nerfing this run is that it is significantly more effective than any other solo/duo run in terms of producing ectos. If it were to be nerfed to reduce the ecto production rate in line with that of a solo smite run, there would be no issues (except in that this punishes normal groups doing the chaos plains for no other reason than an un-necessary buff).
Abbess
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Originally Posted by Productivity
I want to see SF nerfed because it is completely destroying what is left of the Guild Wars economy. My 'ecto stash' consists of 12 ectos. I honestly couldn't care about the devaluation of them in terms of my personal wealth effect.
So what's wrong with everything becoming cheap? Well nothing in itself. However, if that happens, you no longer have an economy. An economy revolves around wealth, ability to produce and rarity and all three are linked in together. The SF update has taken these significantly out of line and will leave them permanently that way if nothing is done about it. Then you have a system where everyone has everything and no item means anything in terms of wealth. Sound good to you? Maybe it does, but to me, it looks like you may as well put a 'J menu' in for PVE with all skins unlocked. Personally I'd prefer to play a game with a functioning economy, where different items mean something and take some level of commitment (be it skill or time) to acquire. As it is, you're just playing Guild Wars with an all items cheat mode on if SF is left to continue on (which isn't all that different from the way the game design is heading as ursan/consumables may as well be a god mode cheat). |
Kinn
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Because being indefinitely invincible should not be allowed in any online game.
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the SF farming build can only be used in the specific places where you can avoid these counters. Of these, it seems the only one that people are upset about is the Chaos Plains ecto farm.
Productivity
Shards have risen only because they are complimentary goods with ectos.
Sure, there are other things in the game that are high end. But everytime you take something from the high end and drop it into the mid-range category, you're reducing the depth of the economy. Arbitarily doing this for no reason (SF buff) is just stupid.
Sure, there are other things in the game that are high end. But everytime you take something from the high end and drop it into the mid-range category, you're reducing the depth of the economy. Arbitarily doing this for no reason (SF buff) is just stupid.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Kinn
But this is the thing - you're not invincible with shadow form and there are lots of ways of being damaged or energy-denied - for example: touch skills, untargetted AoE, shouts, nature rituals, traps, knockdown...(I'm sure there's more ways but these are just off the top of my head)
the SF farming build can only be used in the specific places where you can avoid these counters. Of these, it seems the only one that people are upset about is the Chaos Plains ecto farm. |
Abbess
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Originally Posted by Productivity
Shards have risen only because they are complimentary goods with ectos.
Sure, there are other things in the game that are high end. But everytime you take something from the high end and drop it into the mid-range category, you're reducing the depth of the economy. Arbitarily doing this for no reason (SF buff) is just stupid. |
Kinn
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Originally Posted by Avarre
If you honestly believe that being only able to become permanently invulnerable in the majority of areas instead of all areas is a balancing factor, I have to ask you: is it difficult to remember to breathe?
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Oh yes, and that no-one really gives a shit here about anything else but the ecto farm efficiency
Why don't you save your sarcastic bullshit for the next time you decide to write a smarmy 20,000 word "open letter" to a games company that's "let you down".
Abbess
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Originally Posted by Avarre
If you honestly believe that being only able to become permanently invulnerable in the majority of areas instead of all areas is a balancing factor, I have to ask you: is it difficult to remember to breathe?
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Productivity
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Originally Posted by Abbess
Ecto isn't a high end item. Its a crafting material. If anything, it is better we are weening the economy off ecto reliance. Guess what? There are multiple subsitutes to ecto that hold the SAME value. With so many substitutes, I think we hardly have to worry about the "depth" of the GW economy.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Abbess
I think Kinn had a valid point. You can't use the SF build in nearly as many areas as you can't 600. Or can't 55. or Can't VwK. Etc, etc. It is a balancing factor whether you choose to believe it or not. So i have to ask you: is it difficult to remember to breathe?
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