Update - Thursday August 7

There you go fixed it for you.

UB is far from dead. They made it to where r8 is the same as r10 basically. And it dont effect consets. so there effect is still there anyways. And if ppl were retarded in the first place to have nothing but UB on there bar well that was there fault, majority of the better players had back-ups anyways.

And say hello to Life Transfer.

Ok, mostly cool update. Elite skills are nice. I will look into some very closely.

However those saying that Ursan wasn't nerfed is complete bogus. They made half of the real damage diminished by armor, a real problem since the damage in UStrike was armor-ignoring. Health isn't buffed as much as it was. It was...nerfed.
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Yes stats go down to 12, I pointed that out 2 pages ago.

With only minor exceptions I think they did well with this update. This is the kind of support that makes me keep playing Guild Wars and thus more interested in GW2 (more GW2 profit to them if they have good support/updates in GW1 imo). Thank you, Arenanet.

Well, well, well, look who was right...again. I was right about EVERYTHING, and hardly any of you believed me.


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/waits to see what tweaks they make to the buffed skills

As a pure-PVE'r without GWEN skills, I'll enjoy a lot of these, even the weird ones.

Master of Magic looks really evil at the moment. ^____^

Granted, people who don't grind are indeed in the majority (people using PvE skills aren't however), but like I said earlier in this post it was the wrong solution to the problem.

In regards to the rest, I can just say to reread my post again. They could just add a puzzle-mode or racing mode to option, right? It would make the game "more fun for more people", right? So why not?

And "fixing my post" implies not butchering the hell out of it. They made the game "funnier"???

Too bad mimic doesnt work on FORMS check the ursn skill again.

When you get a mega-crit with Sniper Support, one of many (I don't know how many, I saw at least five unique ones) messages appears in your combat log.

"One arrow, one kill", "Snap, Headshot!" and some plea to Balthazar are the ones that I remember.

Neat.

Just to give you a lil headsup...

[Order of Undeath][Animate Vampiric Horror]

Go AB go...

interesting, does Glyph of elemental power and elemental lord boost the attributes further then?

Pretty pissed off
[wastrel's collapse] wasn't even buffed? and i have to say im dissapointed that [intensity] and actually the majority of the so called "buffed" ele skills are still terrible
and what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO is this ursan shit? lets make it still overpowered but let everyone use it.. im not normally one to qq but this is seriously dissapointing

No.

12charssssssssssssssssssss.

I have no idea (yet) whether Arcane Mimicry will allow you to use UB straight after losing it or not, but if so, that's an easy fix in the next update: make UB a form!
If AM can't help you there's a nasty 60 sec recharge waiting for you when UB runs out.

Hi, Andrew and Regina,- nice to see you two following the comments on the latest "tweaks"

Doesn't work on forms, thankfully.

Why, ANet, why did Expert's Dexterity have to be killed?.............


Oh well, better than nothing I suppose... some of the elites are worth trying out now...

ED used to suck, now it sucks less. lol?

Wow, I never expected ArenaNet will REDUCE the damage penalty on Shadow Form rather than nerfing it to make it worse:
http://infinitejestchallenge.files.w...hip_cookie.jpg

You deserve a cookie ArenaNet.

I was a bit dissapointed when they changed Glimmering Mark and Thuderclap, I was planning to use the Thunderbow build against the Kurz in AB.

On the other hand, Extend Conditions buff kinda give me some innovative ideas with my Mesmer, but don't know which profession can inflict more than three conditions. And I do want to create some builds using Lyssa's Aura and Master of Magic as means of energy management, but I belive ArenaNet will have to nerf it somehow due it's overpowerness.

And WTF on Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support, it's a complete overkill.

As a whole, the update looks excellent.

Hitting Ursan and buffing many other skills hopefully should increase by a fair amount the build options for us all. A step in the right direction.

I was hoping buffs to Fast Casting and Spawning Power in PvE, though. And maybe a Wounding Strike or "SY!" nerf.

But still, very happy about the update.

Wow did you see the buff to Defy pain? It's look like they took the +20 armor from ursan, then add the -10 damage to make it more imba and wow, FIVE ADRENALINE?? Wtf?

Beside that, its the coolest update for the moment, even with the powerful pve skills, i'm happy with it.

Edit: i know the +20 armor from defy pain was already there, but still, adding a -10 damage reduction is a bit....ughhhh

Yeah...that won't save you from dying instantly to an angry Assassin or Warrior (which [Aura of the Lich] could).

Then again, OoU combos very nicely with [Dark Bond]...but I would still prefer [Animate Flesh Golem].

Expert's Dexterity is stupidity.

Rangerspike anyone?

Oh, and the new Melandru's Shot is quite fun despite the lag I kept getting in AB.

The changes to [Battle Rage] and [Warriors Endurance] as well as [Quivering Blade] were very nice indeed. Now these skills might actually get some use.

[Asuran Scan] is awsome now...maybe a bit over the top but I love it.

["By Ural's Hammer!"] is now usable.

[ebon vanguard sniper support] is wicked, love the one liners ---> Snap! Headshot!

Have yet to test out all of the other skill changes but they do look interesting, not sure just how much life this will breath back into GW but its a very good start.

Now if there was only something worth while to do for a PvE player thats completed every quest/mission/dungeon....

Does anyone know if that means that heroes will actually use [Enduring Harmony] -> ["For Great Justice!"] properly?

On a more constructive side,
* Lyssa's Aura: increased recharge to 30 seconds. Functionality changed to: "(10 seconds.) You have 0..4 Energy regeneration. Renewal: every time you cast a spell on an enemy."

Self BIP, for any class? Even a monk can ether feast to heal itself and keep it up. Just IMO but fast casting maybe?

So much to take in all at once..can finally run regular builds and all chars have their uses again plus more. And for those of you saying they shifted the imbalance..you do realise that they said they were gonna reduce the grind for PvE Skills not nerf them...

Weird note on incendiary arrows, it actually hits 3 targets randomly near your target, and not necessarily your target. Also it works with preparations and splinter... so g'bye splinter barrage... wait... Critcendiary disruption A/R FTW! GOGOGOGOGO!

Great - missed UB being a Form before! No Arcane Mimicry shortcut to replace UB instantly! 60 sec recharge: deal with it!

Ursan got its nerf, was hoping for more. Now every class is the same with this since everyone has the same armor and hp... but I still hate it.

asuran scan is TOO good because I now can't justify not including it in every attacker build ever.

ural's hammer is still bugged. It says it works off wounded ALLIES but it really works off wounded PARTY MEMBERS. Please to fix either skill or desc.

At the very least, PuGs must actually have a well-balanced team, instead of an Ursan-way team. And, it's a very good thing Ursan Blessing (and all the other Norn Blessings) are forms, and you lose non-consumable buffs (which is a decent thing).

Ursan Blessing, though, is not a buff, but a nerf (it has changed a LOT).

On another note, I figured that once the anti-Ursans got their way, they'd STILL CRY about it. I honestly saw it coming. What do they want? Ursan Blessing (and all other Blessings for that matter) to be removed?! *sigh*

shh!!! don't let ANet find out!!!


oh and here's the new PuG repertoire

one of these
[Glyph of Swiftness][Deadly Paradox][Shadow Form][Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support]

7 of these
[Mindbender][Arcane Echo][Echo][Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support][Cry of Pain]

[Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom] on one dude

some random mesmer hex on another

sniper support has found its way onto my AP bar now.

LOL at imbagon buffs

now if only they would fix the lag! It is unbearable.

Why did the nerf thunderclap.... It was fine the way it was before, not like many people use it...

What? This confuses me....

Nice GvG is DEAD !!!!! -.- now there will be no Tactic in GvG because Vod is nerfed. Thats the badest update ive ever seen... Long lives the 8vs 8 builds like Bunnyway,Bloodspike,Toxicspike? Yeah really bad job Anet.. Epic fail
If i want to play against Bway and 8 vs 8 ill go HA <.<

Oh Noez...GVG iz DoOmed!!!

Why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you Whining? GVG is no dead! Other builds will come up to replace the dead ones...like it has always been!

I think they did that to kinda... lessen the blow a bit to all the whiners who love Ursan and will mourn its death (although, most of those people are probablly too stupid to realize how this is a nerf, until they realize the second damage packet isn't armor ignoring).

People's expecations were here -->





What actually was released down here -->

While I think this is a fairly good skill update over all, it still buffs way to many skills unnecessarily. Granted, all this "its going to be a monster/major/super update" hype was all the forum community's own fault, it wouldn't have hurt if A.net had stepped in and brought our expectations down to more reasonable levels by telling us what to expect.

Anyway, buffing Great Dwarf Weapon (which was already overpowered with barrage teams) was kinda stupid.

And while I agree Incindiary Arrows would become the new "spliter barrage build" in PvE, due to the changes to GvG design (HORAY!) it isn't a big deal now.

Chances are RAWR will be out next month. I'm really interested to see how the meta will shift.
Water eles in PvP might start using Mirror of Ice. While Icy Shackles is nice, the added pressure of Mirror might help a lot, especially if the damage works as AoE damage on all targets of a water hex.

Anyways, some skills look like they will be A LOT of fun in PvE. For example, Master of Magic will allow people to have 12 points in all elementalist skill lines, allowing people to use some bizzare skill combos (and would also be nice for prismatic armor users).

The update also makes daze easier to apply (quivering and golden skull).

Only thing I really don't like is the new Order of Undeath. Old functionality was fine.

Anyways, I think it is official. Due to all the new functionality of skills, (which is good, shows a.net is trying to make usless skills into something worthwhile), it is time to update the wiki quick links skill icons. Stuff like crippling slash not showing bleeding is one thing, but like, 25 skills doing something COMPLETELY different will get real confusing with the old icons. Who the heck is in charge of that/made them last time anyways?


Edit: They didn't "nerf" thunderclap, just made it different. Daze is a REALLY powerful condtion to apply, and is a new toy for the elementalist class (I'm going to enjoy trying it out). Granted, it isn't as overpowered as perminant kd in random PvP (where you don't have reliable hex removal), but it is still powerful.

just when I am about to delete my paragon, too easy and boring to play! and now.. making me want to del her even more.. -_-;

overall nice updates, love some of the mesmer updated skills and Warriors.

Just need a HoM update Anet, will wait patiently

tenagg