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Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

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22 Aug 2008 at 09:19 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Yes, like you know me. You know all about me based on my opposing view. You have learned enough about me in this silly thread to deduce that I live in a basement. Please.

Would it surprise you to know that I don't report people for foul language? Would it surprise you to know that I despise the existence of the FCC in my country (They control language in the media)? Would it surprise you to know that I occasionally use foul language myself when in company of people that I know are not offended by it's content?

I however support ANET's rules. It's their house. Live by their rules or suffer the consequences. They aren't vague about it. They even repeat themselves so to remove any doubt.

Exactly. We all use it. Can't really be bothered repeating everything again but I'm more or less asking for a little change in the rules to accept that people generally swear. I'm not calling for World War 3, I'm asking for an update to outdated rules.

QUAS_Daemon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2008

Crusaders Of Apotheosis [CoA]

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22 Aug 2008 at 09:19 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Yes, like you know me. You know all about me based on my opposing view. You have learned enough about me in this silly thread to deduce that I live in a basement. Please.

Would it surprise you to know that I don't report people for foul language? Would it surprise you to know that I despise the existence of the FCC in my country (They control language in the media)? Would it surprise you to know that I occasionally use foul language myself when in company of people that I know are not offended by it's content?

I however support ANET's rules. It's their house. Live by their rules or suffer the consequences. They aren't vague about it. They even repeat themselves so to remove any doubt.

Slow response because you had to spell check+ dry your tears because you found some truth in what he said? Ive said it before maybe you should read? We are in their house we PAID to be there we have our oppinions just like when people said Ursan was overpowered. People werent like ITS THEIR HOUSE THEY CAN MAKE IMBA SKILLS IF THEY WANT TO! we have a right to voice our oppinion because some times their rules need changing. If they make a rule that make it so you cant have more than 1 ecto on you account at 1 time or you're banned no1 would be like WELL IT IS THEIR HOUSE. So now let me ask you does it surprize you that you're wrong?

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

22 Aug 2008 at 09:30 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Exactly. We all use it. Can't really be bothered repeating everything again but I'm more or less asking for a little change in the rules to accept that people generally swear. I'm not calling for World War 3, I'm asking for an update to outdated rules.

Why? There is no need to change the rules. Just don't swear in Guildwars. If you must use foul language then just say it out loud. It takes EXTRA effort to type it.

The rules are just fine. Consequences for violating the rules.

Unreal Havoc

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2007

22 Aug 2008 at 09:40 - 84

What makes me laugh is that if people are so easily offended by language why do they turn the filter off and expose themselves to it?

Cheeva B

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

[ESP]

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22 Aug 2008 at 10:00 - 85

lol OP goes through trolling people who give good arguments. Yea, you're 18, with no self control. I'm sure you cursed your head off in school. You get suspended? Think about it, this isn't some biker bar, young kids play this game also, even though they are barely younger than you. If you have to take the time to type out curse words just so people will think you're cool because you curse...you still have some growing to do. I have bets on he ragequits teams too...

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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22 Aug 2008 at 10:18 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

What makes me laugh is that if people are so easily offended by language why do they turn the filter off and expose themselves to it?

What if filter doesn't filter some things? Or if it isn't available in my language?

Besides, you can just use something like fuc|<. See, can't filter this. Or bltch. Or a$s.

Quote:

Would it surprise you to know that I don't report people for foul language? Would it surprise you to know that I despise the existence of the FCC in my country (They control language in the media)? Would it surprise you to know that I occasionally use foul language myself when in company of people that I know are not offended by it's content?

What if someone said horrible things about you, your parents, siblings and then crapped on your religion and believes? You enjoy it or what?

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

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22 Aug 2008 at 10:31 - 87

don't cus in all chat so ppl won't report you mmmmkay?

i report alot of people in kamadan for cussing at others but only if they're seriously pushing it to the edge
sure i let a word slip like kickass or somethin but it only applies for the heavy cussing at others

/notsigned
we need more reporting options, not less

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

22 Aug 2008 at 10:35 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

What if someone said horrible things about you, your parents, siblings and then crapped on your religion and believes? You enjoy it or what?

There is a difference between simple foul language and harassment. I wouldn't hesitate to report someone who is for example spouting racial epithets.

Someone using simple foul language my not be reported by myself, but I fully support those who are offended and report them.

payne

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

england (currently located on the south coast)

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22 Aug 2008 at 10:37 - 89

bitching about your bans won't get you anywere - seeming as this thread is obviously from someone who has been banned and can't accept it lol

on your "I'm 18 so I can swear so f u" - I'm 18 and keep the chat filter on as excessive language aent neccesary - get over it if you wanna swear just mutter something gutteral IRL at your monitor not in-game then come hear and winge because not everyone is like you

that about sum it up? cookie?

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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22 Aug 2008 at 10:41 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Exactly. We all use it. Can't really be bothered repeating everything again but I'm more or less asking for a little change in the rules to accept that people generally swear. I'm not calling for World War 3, I'm asking for an update to outdated rules.

Ohai I found you on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBVmfIUR1DA

Matches attitude and swearing.

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

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22 Aug 2008 at 11:43 - 91

Sigh, I think this will be my last post on this. Quite frankly, most of you seem to be too retarded to get what I'm trying to put across. The few who get it such as Kumu come back to the same point, which I agree, It needs a zero tolerance policy just because people aren't mature enough to not abuse it if the feature was removed. I was just keeping it alive to see if any other ideas could come out of it.

Just reading through the trash posts coming from people like Abedeus, N1ghtstalker, payne, Cheeva B to name a few just on this page makes me tired. Everything you have said has already been explained before, but of course you don't need to read a thread to reply! GRR TOPIC TITLE MAKE ME ANGRY GRR REPLY BUTTON IS MY BITCH GRR. I mean seriously, we've already had a Angry German Kid reference. Already gone over how I don't aprove of people actually targetting other people with rude language.

Cheeva made me laugh though and is so stupid I am forced to reply directly

can't resist it. Obviously lacking any intellegence at all. Cursing to look cool? When was that even mentioned? And a Biker Bar? Wow mate, I don't usually pull the age difference card but you may want to stick to discussing things that you have a little experience about. And no, I don't ragequit my teams, Guild Wars doesn't generally make me angry.
Sidenote: Payne, I'm glad you know how I've obviously been banned, considering I haven't. I don't want your cookie, I might catch retard off you.

I have never been banned from Guild Wars for Verbal Abuse, nor will I be in the future because I do indeed know when to hold my tongue. Most of this was just at the outrage of my friends position and mine today over the CoF run. I can understand why it's hard for people not in my position to full get what I'm trying to say, but It would be great if you could at least read replies to common questions mostly asked on the first page before giving your opinion.

Wow Long Post <_<; Maybe I'll have to do a followup tomorrow.

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

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22 Aug 2008 at 11:55 - 92

all people swear sometimes
if i'm in a team and we get wiped i say RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO or shit too, doesn't make me get worried of being reported
people won't actively report another if they're not actively cussing at others
i've seen people cus of a nerf in town or cus at others, there's a difference between those two and support will still know when to ban someone or not when they have been reported for verbal abuse

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

22 Aug 2008 at 13:43 - 93

I don't even get why swearing is offensive. Seriously, I just don't get it.... Flame me all you like, but I truly do not understand why society decides that a word is or is not appropriate. Jesus, a few years ago saying 'shut up' was considered swearing.

Anyway, I agree with the OP that you should be able to swear if you feel like it. Abusing someone is different to swearing. Abuse should not be tolerated, language on the other hand should not be censored. It's language, and in most democratic nations free speech is all part of it.

I will exercise my right of speech and use whatever language I damn well please.

Sai Rith

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

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22 Aug 2008 at 13:59 - 94

Orly, so I can do this in all chat and not get reported:

Red Engine Gored Engine Gored Engine Gored Engine Go
Shit
Balls
Penis
10 Inch Red Engine Gored Engine Gored Engine Gored Engine Go
Bitch
Ass

/signed

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

22 Aug 2008 at 14:12 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sai Rith

Orly, so I can do this in all chat and not get reported:

Red Engine Gored Engine Gored Engine Gored Engine Go
Shit
Balls
Penis
10 Inch Red Engine Gored Engine Gored Engine Gored Engine Go
Bitch
Ass

/notsigned

Congratulations, you know real words in english!!!

Shit, well guess what, it exists and you excrete it daily!
Balls and Penis...i guess you have them as well. How is anatomy and bodily function justified in becoming an offensive word?
Bitch, congratulations you now know the word for a female dog, and yes, they are referred to as such in professional and breeding circles.
Ass, congratulations you now know the word for a donkey...that's where the word assinine comes from. If you were trying to mention anatomy that word would in fact be arse.
Even the word f*ck...guess what, you're parents did it and that's why you're here!

Seriously, how are any of those words offensive? It's context. A word alone has no inherrent offence. If you don't use them abusively there is NO reason why the words themselves should be banned. True some words are 'cruder' than others, but crudeness and rudeness are not in tandem.

Sai Rith

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

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22 Aug 2008 at 14:17 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by pamelf

Seriously, how are any of those words offensive? It's context. A word alone has no inherrent offence. If you don't use them abusively there is NO reason why the words themselves should be banned. True some words are 'cruder' than others, but crudeness and rudeness are not in tandem.

Exactly, this guy has the point. Saying shit or bitch by itself shouldn't be offensive (I put /notsigned since I misread the OP, gotta edit). There's a difference between oh shit, and you're a piece of shit, and saying that is verbal abuse, which I'm ok with reporting.

-Lotus-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

22 Aug 2008 at 14:17 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Pretty sure they only ban you for insulting or saying something offensive (racist words, etc). I don't think they ban for just saying the f word, there's a filter for a reason.

If they do ban for swearing without directing it anyone or being offensive, they should stop, because it makes the report option false, and the language filter pointless.

thats what i was going to say....

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

22 Aug 2008 at 14:22 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sai Rith

Exactly, this guy has the point.

This guy's a girl btw.

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

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22 Aug 2008 at 14:50 - 99

@OP - It is true you do have free speech.... but Anet owns GuildWars and they govern what's right and wrong.

Anet tries to make GuildWars friendly to age 13+ across cultures, and diverse populations. Just because you don't find it offensive, others do.

I do agree there in-direct and direct language, ex X or X You are two different things.

Verbal also should be in, not just for language but also content related as pointed out, racist, hurtful, etc.

Damian979

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

22 Aug 2008 at 15:02 - 100

I don't see where the verbal abuse reporting option says anything about someone cussing.

It is there for when some immature a-hole wants to [barrage] another player/players and instigate an arguement for the sake of getting his/her rocks off. Or for when someone wants to start with some racist nazi bullshit on race supremecy.

If Anet looks at the chat logs and decides what you have said is breaking the ToA then they will take action. Know what is acceptable by the rules that you agreed to when you installed the game and you should be fine. End of story.

AncientLord

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

Slovenia

Battlecry Warlords

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22 Aug 2008 at 15:04 - 101

Well i think this word (what ever it is) is totaly lame and noob like. Yea for speaking shit like this i woud give you perma ban.

No ofence, but i dont like noobs.

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

22 Aug 2008 at 15:09 - 102

Did I miss a way in which the above made sense?

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

22 Aug 2008 at 15:15 - 103

You threw away your freedom of speech right after you click "accept" at the EULA screen. When you're playing GW, you're in Anet's house. Their way or high way.

So shut up.

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

22 Aug 2008 at 15:22 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by EULA

(j) In the Game(s), characters have the privilege of sending server wide messages called "Chat Messages." With this privilege comes a high level of responsibility on the part of the user. Due to the fact that this communication channel has the ability to impact every player on the server, NC Interactive will not tolerate any inappropriate behavior of any sort in this chat channel. This includes but is not limited to: inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated "spamming," or "flooding" of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NC Interactive Support, in its sole discretion. Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NC Interactive, lead to the temporary removal of the character's ability to communicate, the account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent account closure.

There's the section. It says that violation is at the sole discretion of NC Interactive Support. The word 'innapropriate' is bandied about quite a bit, but as appropriate or innappropriate is completely subjective I personally wouldn't mind some clarification on what NC Interactive actually does deem innappropriate.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

22 Aug 2008 at 15:24 - 105

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcRT9PhDhtc

Sorry, I just had to.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

22 Aug 2008 at 15:39 - 106

There's no way I can get behind this suggestion. Most people, including the OP, understand the risk involved with typing profanity, even if it's only one word, in chat. If you don't want to take a chance on getting your account SUSPENDED, don't type stupid s...tuff in the chat window!

Removing the option would do nothing but have offensive language get reported by clicking on the "spamming" option, which is currently used to report gold sellers & obnoxious recruiters!

Do what I do; yell at the monitor, it'll never get offended by anything you say! (I make sure I'm not on TS when I do)

AncientLord

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

Slovenia

Battlecry Warlords

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22 Aug 2008 at 16:20 - 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by pamelf

Did I miss a way in which the above made sense?

Learn to read ? Erm... if you didnt understand what i wrote, then im soory.

JupiterStarWarrior

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2008

Oklahoma City

Noble Order Of Valiant Angels

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22 Aug 2008 at 16:56 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richardt

With profanity, it's an all or nothing sort of enforcement. While there is a chat filter that can be enabled, ANet & NCSoft have a legal right to enforce rules that prohibit such language.

Now while there is a chat filter, it's not perfect. Kids aren't stupid-if they see **** then they can figure out via context what's being blotted. And while I don't think they should be sheltered from profanity, it's more important for them to know when and where it's appropriate to swear (in my mind profanity isn't a right-it's a privilege). A public location (whether IRL or In game) is not such a time or place. Thus we all need to act like mature responsible adults and limit our language to more private locations (guild chat, team chat, vent or TS).

...

We have a thread-winner!!!

(Yes, I realize this was about a page ago, but I had to comment on this.)

Personally, though, the most abusive I've gotten was "damn" because of those damn somethings that kept killing me... o_O;

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

22 Aug 2008 at 17:06 - 109

/signed

There is a swearing filter, if you don't like everyday language, use the filter.

You know what we really need? We need a /report function for bad spelling and grammar!

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

22 Aug 2008 at 17:23 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

*snip img*

Pretty sure they only ban you for insulting or saying something offensive (racist words, etc). I don't think they ban for just saying the f word, there's a filter for a reason.

The same can be said for 'racist' language. If you don't want to see it, turn the chat filter off.

The report option is "Verbal Abuse" not "Foul Language", so it has other purposes. But if someone is verbally abusing someone else, then the person being abused should use ignore instead of whining to Papa Bear Anet.

Personally, people should learn to do things for themselves every once in a while. If the report option is used and the person who did the reporting could have averted the situation themselves, that person should be perma banned, imo.

/sign, before my post becomes too rant-y.

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

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22 Aug 2008 at 17:30 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcRT9PhDhtc

Sorry, I just had to.

i'm lolling my ass off at 1.00 XD
give this guy some ritalin..

payne

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

england (currently located on the south coast)

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22 Aug 2008 at 17:48 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Just reading through the trash posts coming from people like Abedeus, N1ghtstalker, payne, Cheeva B to name a few just on this page makes me tired.

Everything you have said has already been explained before, but of course you don't need to read a thread to reply! GRR TOPIC TITLE MAKE ME ANGRY GRR REPLY BUTTON IS MY BITCH GRR.
.
Sidenote: Payne, I'm glad you know how I've obviously been banned, considering I haven't. I don't want your cookie, I might catch retard off you.

really am falling off my chair laughing at how pathetic your argument is.....and how childish you are

people will generally read the OP then post their views!!!

you are whining about how you were mini-banned for VA and then you go onto insult me as "a retard" I think your argument loses even more credability (well if it had any left) as you seem to be insulting every one that posted - so if you are just gonna troll gtfo or just don't post again if you are unhappy with the responses...

cookie? or a new one - (torn)? <<<understand the reference?

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

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22 Aug 2008 at 17:55 - 113

here's a statement to think of

12+
would you like to see your kids be exposed to strong language? or do you like to know your kids already known very abusive language wether or not to insult another person?
i've known players younger than this btw so
that's my 2 cents and a box cover
offc i'm 17 and i can cuss like there's no tommorow, but i keep my tone down when young children may be around (kamadan, etc..., all of local chat really)

Jae Onasi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Lost Haven

E/Mo

22 Aug 2008 at 18:11 - 114

When you agreed to the EULA, you agreed to their terms. Deal with it.

Participation in the game, or on this forum, is a privilege, not a right. Get over this idea that you have some kind of God-given right to be offensive to others. The real world doesn't work that way.

If Anet wants to take a stance against cussing, great. I'm thrilled that my family is not exposed to a bunch of people who are so immature that they feel their 'right' to use offensive language outweighs common courtesy or my right not to have to read it on the chat screen. If Anet didn't have a filter, I wouldn't be playing, and certainly I would not have bought the account for my son. It's bad enough that I have the filter on high and I still have to turn off the local channel because of some of the raunchy/foul language that does get through by those who feel evading the filter is just hilarious.

All this tells me is that some people a. are too selfish to extend the courtesy to their fellow players of a pleasant and non-offensive playing environment, and b. they're not intelligent enough to come up with a creative alternative to the expletive(s) in question.

/notsigned at all

DokkyDok

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

Interested in finding one.

Mo/

22 Aug 2008 at 19:45 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jae Onasi

When you agreed to the EULA, you agreed to their terms. Deal with it.

It really is that simple.
If you need to swear, use your mouth.

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

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22 Aug 2008 at 20:24 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Pretty sure they only ban you for insulting or saying something offensive (racist words, etc). I don't think they ban for just saying the f word, there's a filter for a reason.

If they do ban for swearing without directing it anyone or being offensive, they should stop, because it makes the report option false, and the language filter pointless.

This. Words that other people would consider racy or inappropriate are part of my normal speech, and I don't like having to suppress myself for people who are too immature to handle my language. At the same time, not having this option would stimulate a similar group to exploit the idea and swear at all times that it would serve to be inappropriate.

Then again, if you're playing with players that take serious offense to what you say, you probably shouldn't be playing with them, or it should be easily settled through a discussion or comment, and not a report.

Sai Rith

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

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22 Aug 2008 at 20:37 - 117

Guild Wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

22 Aug 2008 at 20:50 - 118

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7OdbCLfXUV4

Show this to whoever reports you for swearing.
While you at it, report them to abuse of the report command :P

Koudelka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

England

The Khaotic Empire (TKE)

Me/Mo

22 Aug 2008 at 20:56 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocobo1

I'm so sick of this. I'm 18, I have a right to free speech. I can say RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I want, I can say shit if I want. Why on earth can I get reported, and get banned for swearing? There is a word filter in place for people who dislike it, and you can turn off chat if It really bothers you. Sure, I don't agree with using racism and stuff but if someone is saying stuff like that there are so many ways around it. Got two people paying 500g for a 2 plat CoF run before because of my swearing. I said RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO when I died once because someone lured out spiders and got us a party wipe. And I can't do anything about it, because if they report me I'm going to get a 3 day ban or a week ban.

This kind of situation is rare, but seriously people need to either grow up a little or just not take a fantasy game so seriously.

Edit: Lol I think you can guess what that wordfiltered word is, I think thats fine but why cant people on GW wordfilter too?

If you're so old and mature, why not take responsability for your actions? If youre going to break the user agreement, expect to suffer the concequences. Also... I've never seen arenanet do anything about language if I am honest. I've seen people say that "black people are retrograde" and mean it, I reported it, nothing. Not even a warning. The same person said a lot of homophobic stuff too, reported it, not a word from arenanet. I hardly believe a little swear word would get you a week's ban.

chris1234565

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

London, UK

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22 Aug 2008 at 21:43 - 120

i disagree badly since there is yonger children playing who are easy infulenced and persides there is not much language you can say and remember its only a game lol you dont need to sware