Farm Voltaic Spear ( chest in 5min )
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Well it lower than people thought. When Ursan wasnt nerfed Me and my Leader did 50+ runs or 100+ runs idk lost count in first dungeon of Exile to see what we would get. After numerous Runs one r13 VS dropped for me sry If I said r11 in last post it was r13. So my conclusion is that it based on luck in the drop rate and it ex low. To HoM people this would be perfect farm for you to get your Destroyer Weapons Craft items of Diamonds and Onyxs.
ramma77
this will not be nerfed as there is nothing to be nerfed.
Anet put that wall there for a reason. They've probably had a bet going to see how long it would take for people to notice.
Anet put that wall there for a reason. They've probably had a bet going to see how long it would take for people to notice.
Mr. Undisclosed
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Originally Posted by lordheinous
Quote: Originally Posted by Post #121 I did runs from 3:00 P.M. up to 1:00 A.M. last night in HM with a full party. Got it down to 12 minutes including running, zoning, and going again and we took no breaks. No one in the group ever got a Voltaic Spear so I agree with Lordheinous, I think the drop rate is much lower then we are being lead to believe and people may be just trying to cause panic to drive price down. Dayum did your sin not bring speed buffs or something?
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I think he is trying to say that he talked to someone from Anet and they said as long as it was kept quiet, it wouldnt be nerfed, but if it got out and was too popular, then anything could happen.|
Originally Posted by bad english guy
im just gonna say that you can guarantee those times nowadays with how bad pugs have become and you're not gonna h/h it as quickly as you would with a good team. Also considering the time it takes to form a group with people quitting because its taking to long, some people wait a long time before they can even start a run. and on top of that they might fail. and even if they do succeed the chances of it dropping are pretty damn slim. maybe its because i have one that i dont really care but anways it's still a waste of time imo
To be honest it seems like you're basing all your facts on a bad pug run, gg. Like I said, even without getting voltaics its still one of the more profitable things to do in gw. I joined a pug or two earlier and it really didn't take long to organize. Really you must have had one phail pug =/
Chocobo1
12 minutes isn't bad, I'd be happy with that. 5 chests an hour is good for me. I saw one Voltic Spear drop yesterday. Q12 and the guy was disapointed about getting it -_-; God I hate people who are too rich for there own good in this game <_<;
Chthon
I had time for 1 run yesterday, and saw someone get one. Most of us commented that was the only one we'd seen. So I guess the jury's still out on rarity.
distilledwill
I guess its not that important how often the Voltaics drop, theres a few other rares which drop from there, and the average of 2 golds every 8 mins isnt bad if theres a chance one will be worth 100k + ectos.
Chocobo1
Just got a Q9 Voltic lol staying true to my word on page 5-6 or something and gave it to my guild mate
gerg-nad
Had two voltaics drop in a single run last night, but not for me. I have done Slavers chests 100s of times and have not gotten a voltaic for myself. I have seen them drop for others, but never for me.
The likelihood of getting one for yourself is lower than the frequency you see folks get one as there are seven additional trials each run (for a full team). Since I still have 60 Deldrimor armor remenents and have used a bunch on all 10 toons I have this would suggest that I have seen at least conservatively 80*5 chests = 400 of full Duncan runs. Couple that with all the runs of VS-Farm and I would suggest its more like 500-600. Now I have seen at least 5-12 voltaics drop over the course of this, never for me, but you have to factor in the additional chances of the other team members, so the number of trials for these runs (full team) is 500*8 = 4,000. From this information, I would bracket the probability of getting a voltaic at 0.0025 to 0.007. If the probability was higher than 0.007 then I should have gotten one myself, that is it would be very unusual not to (<0.05). Also based on what I can recollect observing from all the drops of the whole team the worst the probabilty could be is about 0.0025 or so. That is, I should have seen fewer drops for the whole team than what I saw. So I suspect the true drop rate is somewhere between these two values, which is illustrated by the following plot.
fuika010
link to pvx wiki build HM: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...aic_Spear_Farm
M Sterling
Great find. Farm while you can. Anet is going to nerf this somehow just like they did the HoS runs and claim that it is to fix an exploit rather than admit that it's a creative discovery of a dungeon design.
fuika010
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Originally Posted by M Sterling
Great find. Farm while you can. Anet is going to nerf this somehow just like they did the HoS runs and claim that it is to fix an exploit rather than admit that it's a creative discovery of a dungeon design.
I suppose that already updated, because not long in the Voltaic lowered.
I was thinking a lot thanks to arrive at this farm. From shots ways two months ago thing you teach this to a farm coordinator GW, told me that while no secret outside would have problems but discovered that if not assured anything.
Azora
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Originally Posted by fuika010
I suppose that already updated, because not long in the Voltaic lowered.
I was thinking a lot thanks to arrive at this farm. From shots ways two months ago thing you teach this to a farm coordinator GW, told me that while no secret outside would have problems but discovered that if not assured anything. can someone translate... not being a flamer but i didnt understand =S AOD_EaSyKiLL
I think he is trying to say that he talked to someone from Anet and they said as long as it was kept quiet, it wouldnt be nerfed, but if it got out and was too popular, then anything could happen.
I think he also says that he believes the Spears dropped more often than they do now, so it may have been nerfed already
fuika010
Posts merged by Marty Silverblade: For the third time, edit your posts instead of double posting.
Originally Posted by AOD_EaSyKiLL
Quote: I think he also says that he believes the Spears dropped more often than they do now, so it may have been nerfed already |
yes and ty
I think he also says that he believes the Spears dropped more often than they do now, so it may have been nerfed already
not, at least I hope not
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Originally Posted by gerg-nad
Had two voltaics drop in a single run last night, but not for me. I have done Slavers chests 100s of times and have not gotten a voltaic for myself. I have seen them drop for others, but never for me.
The likelihood of getting one for yourself is lower than the frequency you see folks get one as there are seven additional trials each run (for a full team). Since I still have 60 Deldrimor armor remenents and have used a bunch on all 10 toons I have this would suggest that I have seen at least conservatively 80*5 chests = 400 of full Duncan runs. Couple that with all the runs of VS-Farm and I would suggest its more like 500-600. Now I have seen at least 5-12 voltaics drop over the course of this, never for me, but you have to factor in the additional chances of the other team members, so the number of trials for these runs (full team) is 500*8 = 4,000. From this information, I would bracket the probability of getting a voltaic at 0.0025 to 0.007. If the probability was higher than 0.007 then I should have gotten one myself, that is it would be very unusual not to (<0.05). Also based on what I can recollect observing from all the drops of the whole team the worst the probabilty could be is about 0.0025 or so. That is, I should have seen fewer drops for the whole team than what I saw. So I suspect the true drop rate is somewhere between these two values, which is illustrated by the following plot. and understood everything. and what you have is bad luck, go with only two accounts and heroes, if it falls safe for you. XD very lucky you touch req 9. worked very graphic and statistical Rilik Blaze
Did one run just to try this out today and the chest dropped a q9 Voltaic Spear for me.
ragnagard
I have some questions about this and hope someone can help with them hehe:
- Having a group of humans doing this thing (i mean 8 guildies, for example),changing the eles for crypain mesmers.Would those crypain mesmers be able to do the same (or nearly)damage & efficiency to the ele build? - Having the same people together, would be "safer" (and "nearly" as fast to the OP builds) to have a group eles with gl of swiftness + obsidian flesh next to wall + arcane mimicry on a party member who has Sabannah Heat? I mean taking no damage and AOE-ing with fire too. For HM i suppose. Less pressure on monks hehe. By nearly as fast i mean +1 or +2 minutes :P. Just to change from eles to mesmer between runs hehe. Maybe are stupid questions, but i just wanna hear some thoughs about them hehe. Covah
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Originally Posted by ragnagard
Would those crypain mesmers be able to do the same (or nearly)damage & efficiency to the ele build?
We ran 4 CoP mesmers instead of eles....lets just say our runs went from 4 minutes to 2 minutes with mesmers.
Mr. Undisclosed
We run E/Me's with CoP and Ether Nightmare.
ramma77
What about a famine ranger and ancestral and sympathetic visage on the assassin and soothing images think that's the spell) Then you would only need one monk as there would be no real damage from anything.
AOD_EaSyKiLL
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Originally Posted by ramma77
What about a famine ranger and ancestral and sympathetic visage on the assassin and soothing images think that's the spell) Then you would only need one monk as there would be no real damage from anything.
Visages dont work on permasin because they never get hit.
Adam144
My first run = Req 10 Amethyst Aegis.
I'm so happy
Nightow
Got my req 10 Voltaic spear today. ^^
Oh happy day.
I SileniuS I
http://www.imagesforme.com/show.php/140970_gw076.jpg
req12 ftw
Lord Sahem
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req9 (Voltaischer Speer = Voltaic Spear in german) eximiis
Saw only 2 Vspear in around 100 runs.
Good thing is i got 1 of the 2 and it was Q.9. Sold it 100k +65e (way to long to try to sell them at +80e and more) This farm is pretty nice. All sort of nice skins drop. selling merch food is more money. full inventory of gold crap sells for 6-8k
Mr. Undisclosed
Got ym first spear today, r11
JimmyNeutron
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Originally Posted by eximiis
Saw only 2 Vspear in around 100 runs.
Good thing is i got 1 of the 2 and it was Q.9. Sold it 100k +65e (way to long to try to sell them at +80e and more) Asking for +80e on an r9 today is like trying to sell it before the mass learned about the farming. Personally, I would never pay more than +50e for a VS r9 today. I saw a person selling it in Kama today, an r9, but turned it down. I figure since the farming hasn't been nerf yet, I can keep trying to see if I get a VS on my own with my Perma Sin. Another person was selling an r9 for +65e and he/she had a hard time selling it too. plasmasword
First day I saw a r9 drop on my 4th run, 2nd day I saw 2 voltaics r11 and r12 drop in the same run. (I wasnt one of the lucky ones). Prices are gonna drop fast.
Proff
Got my r12 in 15-20 runs :P
Fate Crusher
I've been farming for a week about 10 hours a day (what, i'm on summer break xD)
........ Haven't seen a single V Spear drop. I have however gotten 4 Amethyst Aegis and a mate got a r9 Pyroclastic Axe. I still like the run though, as mentioned in other posts, rare skins do drop and a full inventory means around 10k. plus selling the gemstones and diamonds (even though they have dropped in price thanks to this farm). Also good for ID titles ^^.
Kyuuzo
Nice run, thanx to it my sin managed to finish EotN
. My only problem is that in HM, if there are a couple of Warders that follow me to the wall my H/H team is dead in 10 seconds no matter how far apart I spread them. But normal mode works just fine. :thumbsup: for the idea Senrath
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Originally Posted by Kyuuzo
Nice run, thanx to it my sin managed to finish EotN
. My only problem is that in HM, if there are a couple of Warders that follow me to the wall my H/H team is dead in 10 seconds no matter how far apart I spread them. But normal mode works just fine. :thumbsup: for the idea Its better to use real people. Then you don't have to worry about flagging them, and they should move out of the aoe on their own.
Kyuuzo
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Originally Posted by Senrath
Its better to use real people. Then you don't have to worry about flagging them, and they should move out of the aoe on their own.
I guess so (though 90% of the time i've pugged i witnessed the contrary). But my available time is rather short and the run in HM is still dicey for me, so i'll stick to the hench in NM...
Though one thing annoys me a lot: Thommis/his group most of the time start running away from the wall and they do their best to stay away from my aggro bubble...I find it funny though. It's good to chase Thommis once in a while (most of the time he chases you )
Fate Crusher
Just got a r9 Spear.
Oh happy days! never selling
Nightow
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Originally Posted by Fate Crusher
Just got a r9 Spear.
Oh happy days! never selling
Grats! Same here mate although I will try every now and then for a second one to sell.
illidan009
So basically it's just the sin's job to run and everyone else nukes the hell outta everything?
defect
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Originally Posted by illidan009
So basically it's just the sin's job to run and everyone else nukes the hell outta everything?
Yup.Sin and monk are the only ones doing any work
EroChrono
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Originally Posted by Kyuuzo
Though one thing annoys me a lot: Thommis/his group most of the time start running away from the wall and they do their best to stay away from my aggro bubble...I find it funny though. It's good to chase Thommis once in a while (most of the time he chases you
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Same here, really annoying.However I found a somewhat decent way to solve it (H/H only); Make sure you kill as much as possible at the wall then go where Thommis camps when is not attacking and flag your H/H so they make the run you did. Because of the "h/h do not spawn enemies"-mechanic they can make the run without any problems. Only thing is you need to position yourself right so you don't have any enemies that you come a cross during the run in your radar. Once your H/H are in the same room you're in, you can chase Thommis around all you want So far no luck for me with the drops 
trielementz
my god. time to sell my req 10 FAST looking at all your replies
Editt: can somebody tell me if the only way to run this is using a sin?
Nightow
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Originally Posted by trielementz
my god. time to sell my req 10 FAST looking at all your replies
Editt: can somebody tell me if the only way to run this is using a sin? Yes. http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...aic_Spear_Farm |
