Farm Voltaic Spear ( chest in 5min )

Same here, really annoying.
However I found a somewhat decent way to solve it (H/H only);
Make sure you kill as much as possible at the wall then go where Thommis camps when is not attacking and flag your H/H so they make the run you did. Because of the "h/h do not spawn enemies"-mechanic they can make the run without any problems. Only thing is you need to position yourself right so you don't have any enemies that you come a cross during the run in your radar.
Once your H/H are in the same room you're in, you can chase Thommis around all you want

So far no luck for me with the drops Thanx for the tip, i'll give it a try. As for the drops, don't worry, you're not alone in your suffering

btw primal echoes is really a great option for FS rangers cause thommis uses healing signet, consider bringing this skill it makes the run a lil faster [Ignorance] is better. Easier and Faster.

ale+Drunken Master
except that Drunken Master is a stance and you will cancel it with Deadly Paradox

except that Drunken Master is a stance and you will cancel it with Deadly Paradox And Dark escape isnt?

And Dark escape isnt? Well, Dark Escape also has the whole damage reduction to work in its favor. It also has a 30 second recharge, while Drunken Master's is 60 seconds.

I didn't see anywhere earlier in the thread if this was suggested, so:

I got a PuG earlier and tried a few things on my mesmer. We only had 3 eles, I was in for the 4th.

(I have no idea how to post a skill bar, so bear with me please)

16 Illusion
13 Fast Casting

Sig of Illusion
Searing Heat
Meteor Shower
Arcane Echo
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Ebon Ward of Wisdom
Ebon Ward of Honor
Fire Attunement

Basically, go from bottom to top, with SoI every 3 spells.

With SoI the Ward of Wisdom is even better than maxed Vanguard rank (61%) and both wards last until recharge (unless, of course, you get the HSR due to Wisdom Ward =] )

It may not seem like much, but the PuG I was with was averaging 3 minutes from the load into the actual dungeon until we all had our chest drops. I'd bring CoP and ether nightmare instead oif the fire skills but thats just me :x

I'd bring CoP and ether nightmare instead oif the fire skills but thats just me :x Only problem there is that would be 4 PvE only skills on the bar. I think the Wards are pretty much the core of the build (it's meant to support the eles, not cause much damage on its own) so they both should stay. That being said, either CoP or EN are useless onthier own. CoP w/o a hex = crappy interrupt AND degen in HM = pointless

Not a bad idea, just don't think it works on this bar.

Nicely done. It's possible with /A
i did 9 mins run yesterday as W/A - easy Could you post a build? As a warrior i'm not welcome into PUGs doing this "farm". You did this with H/H ?

Shadow Form, I Am Unstoppable, Deadly Paradox, Sig of Stamina, Endure Pain... ??

Thanks

And how would u maintain SF without Glyph from the ele profession ?? its doable with consumables but for a 10min run it doesnt seem worth it, if there is another way it'd be great to know

Use candy corn i guess... raises ur attributes for 10 mins should be enough time and it a CHEAP con You still wouldn't be able to reduce the recharge time enough, deadly paradox only brings it to 40 seconds. Not to mention the energy problems you would have on a war-with only 2 pips of energy regen, you'd only be getting 20 energy every 30 second Shadow Form cycle, and even with essence, you'd still be spending 25 energy on deadly paradox and sf every cycle, so you'd run out of energy pretty fast, and even faster if you actually dared to use things such as running buffs or iau. So, basically, you'd be wasting 2 cons on a runner that probably couldn't make the run.

Only problem there is that would be 4 PvE only skills on the bar. I think the Wards are pretty much the core of the build (it's meant to support the eles, not cause much damage on its own) so they both should stay. That being said, either CoP or EN are useless onthier own. CoP w/o a hex = crappy interrupt AND degen in HM = pointless

Not a bad idea, just don't think it works on this bar. Ah, true. Don't know what I was thinking at the time of that post.

Could you post a build? As a warrior i'm not welcome into PUGs doing this "farm". You did this with H/H ?

Shadow Form, I Am Unstoppable, Deadly Paradox, Sig of Stamina, Endure Pain... ??

Thanks can't post build atm.. but its quite simple.
btw, i did the run in NM.
If ur running it right, it's easy to reach Thommis with the 25sec+20% SF. You just have to wait a couple of seconds for SF to recharge, between mobs.
u got 2 monks(hench-prot/heal) mesmer and fireele hench. I used Gwen (with Ignorance) Zhed and Vekk (SH)
just pull Thommis to wall.
using SF, Signet of stamina, Sprint, dark escape, Feigned Naturally, Endure pain, deaths charge, and Shadow Refuge.
Easy - gl

Well still not gotten the Voltaic, but some other good stuff.

Key thing for folks that don't know this type of team is for the damage dealers to stay out of aggro until it gathers on the Sin (tank). What we do is have the tank (Sin) say "GO" when the aggro has settled on him. Then the damage dealers come in to drop bombs on the group and then we finish the rest off. This little bit of waiting and staying out of aggro while the it settles on the Sin can be the difference between a slow death filled run and a fast run. If the foes go after the soft group in the back, they will be damaged and potentilly die. So waiting for the aggro to settle on the Sin is what allows only one monk to be used and faster killing. We only bring one monk and run 2-5 minutes in HM. Biggest issue has been lag, some inexperience players, and some afks.

Regarding the team:
Damage dealers can vary quite a bit, but generally Eles should have [meteor shower] and [savannah heat] and mesmers [ether nightmare] and [cry of pain] both with [arcane echo]. Key is to come up after the sin says "go" and no ealier, drop rocks and other big hitters. Team PvE aid skills are also great aid to teams, so one of each of these should be on the team, [ebon battle standard of honor][ebon battle standard of wisdom] and for fire ele team [mark of rodgort]

Also skills like ["You Move Like a Dwarf"] and [deep freeze] can be usful for the clean up to keep things near the wall. On clean up the key is not to let the Marksman loose aggro as you will unlikely be able to bring him back close enough to the wall to re-establish aggro as he uses a long bow. If you do loose him, best to get him as close as possible with another group and try to spash damage him by a nearby foe to re-establish aggro with folks behind the wall and then have them back up to lure him close enough to do damage.



Monk should have [Unyielding Aura][Protective Spirit][Heal Party] coupled with some other fast casting heals.

The support generally should have spirits, with [frozen soil][edge of extinction][brambles] and usually [lacerate] and [primal echoes] or [predatory season]. I find a necro secondary can often be more usual than a Rit secondary, as the Necro will provide energy with [blood ritual] and use of wells, such as [well of blood] or possibly [well of the profane] (but not both because of attribute thinning), to use up bodies and minimize minions. We rarely have a death, so taking down Frozen Soil with [gaze of fury] is usually not an issue. A fast casting well, like Well of Blood, uses up the bodies before the Contaminators can create minions, which helps the Sin stay alive, as Explosive Growth and Death Nova ignore Shadow Form, so the Sin will take spike damage from minions, which is why the monk keeps [protective spirit] on the Sin as long as there are minions arround. Having less minions also will help once the wall is down. QFT

As a sin runner on these, it is really annoying when I tell people, "Stay out of aggro till I ping", and yet they are all nuking as soon as they can. Then 10 seconds later, all the mobs are stuck at the far wall. Now the run has doubled or tripled in time, because I have to go coax those mobs to re-aggro.

I also hate it when nukers bitch at me for running around trying to re-aggro, or to entice the rangers closer, because they cant nuke the worthless minions around me. Even after I tell them to forget about the damn minions and nuke the summit.

Also, for monks, don't rez the sin when 90% of the mob is still around, because he wont be able to cast his Perma chain for several seconds while he waits for eng to regen, unless you plan on keeping him alive during the wait.

Another tip for nukers, if you take echo, use it on MS, so that mobs keep getting kd' instead of running away.

Another note, take some alcohol and give it to the sin if he does a good job (unless of course he is charging you) but it is a good, cheap tip (IMO), if he is using Dwarven.

Also, If you are a sin runner, and you can't make it to Slavers without dying, go freaking practice some more.

can't post build atm.. but its quite simple.
btw, i did the run in NM.
If ur running it right, it's easy to reach Thommis with the 25sec+20% SF. You just have to wait a couple of seconds for SF to recharge, between mobs.
u got 2 monks(hench-prot/heal) mesmer and fireele hench. I used Gwen (with Ignorance) Zhed and Vekk (SH)
just pull Thommis to wall.
using SF, Signet of stamina, Sprint, dark escape, Feigned Naturally, Endure pain, deaths charge, and Shadow Refuge.
Easy - gl Thanks m8, I'll definitely try this... Just for the challenge... never liked VS skin

I would like to add something as well. Could the nukers please stop concentrating on Thommis! The warders are you primary targets because they are the only ones that can damage the nukers. Then go for the Defenders, Summoners, and others. If the permasin knows what they are doing Thommis will be stuck in a corner the whole time. I am so tired of runs taking 10+ minutes because the nukers are only concentrating on Thommis and scattering everything else. concentrate on tommis why ever concentrate.
if the nukers are good he will be dead within 5 seconds, then you can go on kill the wardens and everything else becouse your skills are recharged.

so there are two opsions here, or you have just been very unlucky with some noob nukers.
or the asssassin fails to pull the enemy's in the correct way.

Have you seen those cheeky Assas asking for a fee ,i did last nite 200-1k.
Funny one sin i know for a fact is a CoF non payee scammer.

My input anyhoo, is it pointless to put Seed on the sin ? Not entirely pointless. While most attacks won't hit them, they'll still take damage from Trample and Death Nova.

concentrate on tommis why ever concentrate.
if the nukers are good he will be dead within 5 seconds, then you can go on kill the wardens and everything else becouse your skills are recharged.

so there are two opsions here, or you have just been very unlucky with some noob nukers.
or the asssassin fails to pull the enemy's in the correct way. thommis is not a boss, your skills won't recharge after killing him.

Anyway a deep freeze is a good skill to use.

The best team, fastest (3 mins or less for gate to open) is team consist of cop nukers. A good sin will bunch everybody up, then the ether nightmare mes will call target, then everybody else unleash the double cop on enemies

And I still don't understand why SH ele still favor over cop mes? I got called noob build and kick off the team because I'm not the typical ms/sh ele.