Syncing, is it against the rules?
Chocobo1
A lot of this has been going on lately, you can go to RA and you can hear them counting in on all chat or just look at guild tags on the teams. I'm wondering if this is against the rules? I personally don't have much of a problem with it, If they actually manage to sync good job to them, now they only have 2 other fails to deal with.
Numa Pompilius
It's an exploit, and it's really cheap and cowardly, but to the best of my knowledge there's no actual rule against it anywhere.
Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
It's an exploit, and it's really cheap and cowardly, but to the best of my knowledge there's no actual rule against it anywhere.
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Lishy
Erm.. What is syncing?
slowerpoke
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Originally Posted by Kain Fz
Erm.. What is syncing?
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kupp
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Originally Posted by Kain Fz
Erm.. What is syncing?
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Nessar
Its when a guild or friends sit in an empty RA dist, countdown and try to get on the same team so they can farm glad points easier per say...
Lagg
All exploits are against the rules.
Whether you're actually going to get punished for doing it is another question entirely.
Whether you're actually going to get punished for doing it is another question entirely.
Mammoth
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Originally Posted by kupp
I'd like to know that too:|
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It can be done because players and teams enter a queue when they click the button, which puts them in line with everybody else already waiting or who click it after.
If everybody is in line after each other with nobody they don't know in between, they end up on the same team or in the same match. (Hopefully anyways, there's a chance they could get divided and have like 2 in one match and 2 in another, or get put on opposing teams etc.)
dilan155
its not an actual exploit tbh and you do have a chance you wont make it in the same group, yes its cheap but according to mighty a-net IT DOES NOT EXSIST.
Chocobo1
Why is everyone saying Anet said it doesn't exist?
dilan155
because, well, a-net said it doesnt exist, which means that they do not care about this. thus its not against the rules.
Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by dilan155
because, well, a-net said it doesnt exist, which means that they do not care about this. thus its not against the rules.
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Fallen Royalty
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Originally Posted by Lagg
All exploits are against the rules.
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Unless you're implying that anytime anyone plays Random Arenas, they're exploiting the game?
illidan009
OmfG onLy teh HaxxoRz sync cAn nevar bEat theM,,
I sync with a friend or two once in a while. Most players that's played RA can't say they NEVER synced. It's not even that bad...obvoiusly if you get douches are you team you're screwed but that's not the syncer's fault.
I sync with a friend or two once in a while. Most players that's played RA can't say they NEVER synced. It's not even that bad...obvoiusly if you get douches are you team you're screwed but that's not the syncer's fault.
dilan155
by said im merely referring to the fact, that all they've done was to make it easier to sync, the unification of the districts as well as the fact they have not said anything against syncing. also no where on the EULA does it state you shall not go to a district thats empty and enter battle in the hopes that you would have a group together.
wind fire and ice
Syncing isnt a bad problem,and it will never be.
And no..it really isnt against the rules in any way.
Then again.....it could be like the Mallyx glitch,and they could decide one day that its a bad thing and every one who has synced in the past 3 months could be banned.
And no..it really isnt against the rules in any way.
Then again.....it could be like the Mallyx glitch,and they could decide one day that its a bad thing and every one who has synced in the past 3 months could be banned.
Expherious
If it hasn't been "Cautioned" yet then its not against the rules.
On another note... how can it not exist if (personally I've done it in AB) it works, and it may not work 100% of the time but, you have a better chance of being with your Guildies if you "sync" then if you go in randomly.
So IMO it totally works.
On another note... how can it not exist if (personally I've done it in AB) it works, and it may not work 100% of the time but, you have a better chance of being with your Guildies if you "sync" then if you go in randomly.
So IMO it totally works.
Rhamia Darigaz
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
It's an exploit, and it's really cheap and cowardly, but to the best of my knowledge there's no actual rule against it anywhere.
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cowardly like people who run from warriors instead of standing and fighting with honor?
MercenaryKnight
Syncing isn't against the rules, if it was they would easily stop most of it (the noticeable kind) by making it so guild members with the same tag/ alliance couldn't be on the same team.
I sync, not for glad points or anything like that. The only time I sync is when me and a friend want to do dragon arena or snowball arenas together and have some fun.
I think that it's kind of a big deal, to the people who get noob teams. But then again, they will lose to any good ra team that they fight. Just sort of deal with it and accept it.
I sync, not for glad points or anything like that. The only time I sync is when me and a friend want to do dragon arena or snowball arenas together and have some fun.
I think that it's kind of a big deal, to the people who get noob teams. But then again, they will lose to any good ra team that they fight. Just sort of deal with it and accept it.
Avarre
Random Arenas implies also that you can't control what you're going to face. Sometimes, it'll be 4 guys that just bought the game. Sometimes, it's going to be a TA guild that got bored.
Life sucks, and then you die. Move along!
Life sucks, and then you die. Move along!
Reverend Dr
Syncing on purpose is against the rules.
There is no means at all to enforce it, so in all practicality it isn't against the rules.
However if you remove Glad points from RA, then it will stop.
There is no means at all to enforce it, so in all practicality it isn't against the rules.
However if you remove Glad points from RA, then it will stop.
Arkantos
It's not really an exploit, it's just how the party system works.
With that said, no, it's not against the rules.
With that said, no, it's not against the rules.
pumpkin pie
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Originally Posted by illidan009
OmfG onLy teh HaxxoRz sync cAn nevar bEat theM,,
I sync with a friend or two once in a while. Most players that's played RA can't say they NEVER synced. It's not even that bad...obvoiusly if you get douches are you team you're screwed but that's not the syncer's fault. |
I NEVER SYNC DAMN IT, JUST BECAUSE YOU EXPLOIT THE GAME, DOES NOT MEANS EVERYONE ELSE DOES THE SAME,
SYNCHER'S CHEATER, SYNCHING'S CHEATING, IT IS AN EXPLOIT
Lishy
Wait, what's against the rules or exploit?
Learning how the game works and joining the same time as a friend?
Learning how the game works and joining the same time as a friend?
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
I NEVER SYNC DAMN IT, JUST BECAUSE YOU EXPLOIT THE GAME, DOES NOT MEANS EVERYONE ELSE DOES THE SAME,
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I think some of you need to rake Random Arenas a lot less seriously.
pumpkin pie
if someone press enter battle at the same time no matter who they are its not an exploit,
but KNOWING YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO END UP TOGETHER and you proceed to do a COUNTDOWN over team speak / ventrilo / any other chat program/ or over the ingame chat then IT IS AN EXPLOIT.
Excerpt Wikipedia
"Exploits
Main article: Exploit (online gaming)
Exploiting is the application of an unintended use or bug that gives the player an advantage. Not all gamers view exploits as cheating, some view it as another skill because certain exploits take a significant amount of time to find and/or dexterity/timing to use. Example dexterity/timing exploits include bunny hopping and texture-climbing in Quake. Even an official part of the series such as "skiing" in Tribes is considered an exploit by some. However, exploits are considered cheating when they have an unbalancing effect, are used in an unintended manner or not intended to be feature."
but KNOWING YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO END UP TOGETHER and you proceed to do a COUNTDOWN over team speak / ventrilo / any other chat program/ or over the ingame chat then IT IS AN EXPLOIT.
Excerpt Wikipedia
"Exploits
Main article: Exploit (online gaming)
Exploiting is the application of an unintended use or bug that gives the player an advantage. Not all gamers view exploits as cheating, some view it as another skill because certain exploits take a significant amount of time to find and/or dexterity/timing to use. Example dexterity/timing exploits include bunny hopping and texture-climbing in Quake. Even an official part of the series such as "skiing" in Tribes is considered an exploit by some. However, exploits are considered cheating when they have an unbalancing effect, are used in an unintended manner or not intended to be feature."
Arkantos
No, it's not. You're simply pressing enter battle at the same time as a friend. In the end, that's all it is.
It's not a big deal. RA is lol. You shouldn't get so worked up over it.
It's not a big deal. RA is lol. You shouldn't get so worked up over it.
Abedeus
No. Random Arena = random.
If you know how not to make it Random for yourself, it's a bug.
If you know about the bug and how to perform it, it's an exploit.
If Random Arena is a joke, this means people would be able to use an exploit to kick all opposing team members? This is only in RA, so wouldn't help anyone, right?
If you know how not to make it Random for yourself, it's a bug.
If you know about the bug and how to perform it, it's an exploit.
If Random Arena is a joke, this means people would be able to use an exploit to kick all opposing team members? This is only in RA, so wouldn't help anyone, right?
pumpkin pie
There are study on this matter FYI, and it is an exploit, do your exploit and don't try to say you did not exploit. At lease admit it is an exploit and don't be hiding behind that because it is not an exploit, BECAUSE SYNCHING IS AN EXPLOIT
unconsciously pressing and getting together is not, when you plan and consciously agree to do it at the same time then it is VERY MUCH AN EXPLOIT.
unconsciously pressing and getting together is not, when you plan and consciously agree to do it at the same time then it is VERY MUCH AN EXPLOIT.
Avarre
It would be considered an exploit if you had a way to do it perfectly - for example, if you could do some mapping trick to get it all the time.
The current way is just joining at the same time and hope to luckbox a group. The game is designed to group up players who join at the same time - that's how they take all those players entering RA and put them in groups.
I suppose next people will complain about aggro being an exploit, because you can send someone in first to collect it.
The current way is just joining at the same time and hope to luckbox a group. The game is designed to group up players who join at the same time - that's how they take all those players entering RA and put them in groups.
I suppose next people will complain about aggro being an exploit, because you can send someone in first to collect it.
pumpkin pie
that is exploiting the game mechanic to gain advantage over other players, hence EXPLOIT
SYNCHER'S CHEATERS
And i am done here, you can argue all you want, synching simply is an exploit, denying it won't make your conscience more clear.
SYNCHER'S CHEATERS
And i am done here, you can argue all you want, synching simply is an exploit, denying it won't make your conscience more clear.
Avarre
And using caps as your primary source of argument strength won't make you right. Shoo.
Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
There are study on this matter FYI, and it is an exploit, do your exploit and don't try to say you did not exploit. At lease admit it is an exploit and don't be hiding behind that because it is not an exploit, BECAUSE SYNCHING IS AN EXPLOIT
unconsciously pressing and getting together is not, when you plan and consciously agree to do it at the same time then it is VERY MUCH AN EXPLOIT. |
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It would be considered an exploit if you had a way to do it perfectly - for example, if you could do some mapping trick to get it all the time. The current way is just joining at the same time and hope to luckbox a group. The game is designed to group up players who join at the same time - that's how they take all those players entering RA and put them in groups. I suppose next people will complain about aggro being an exploit, because you can send someone in first to collect it. |
Lord Sojar
A loophole in programming isn't an exploit. An exploit is intentionally seeking out a loophole in programming and using it to gain a significant advantage by forcing code against itself. Since syncers are not altering code, packet sniffing, or using a convoluted method to do this, it cannot be considered an exploit. You can sync on accident, you cannot exploit on accident.
Phaern Majes
So thats why me and 3 of my friends managed to sync consistently when they still played. We were able to get 3 of us on a team every time and 70% of the time all 4 of us would make it.
Yes it isn't guaranteed but we mopped the RA's and then when we'd lose in TA's we'd just head back. Granted I don't do this anymore so maybe something has changed since then, but it is an exploit. We were deliberately forming a team. It is advantageous because our builds were made to compliment each others.
Everyone in a guild sitting in the lowest district clicking on the enter battle button at the exact same time, does not happen on accident...
Give me a break...
Yes it isn't guaranteed but we mopped the RA's and then when we'd lose in TA's we'd just head back. Granted I don't do this anymore so maybe something has changed since then, but it is an exploit. We were deliberately forming a team. It is advantageous because our builds were made to compliment each others.
Everyone in a guild sitting in the lowest district clicking on the enter battle button at the exact same time, does not happen on accident...
Give me a break...
Lagg
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Originally Posted by Fallen Royalty
All exploits may be against the rules, but this is not an exploit. Technically, you're doing nothing other than pressing the button to enter the battle, which, last time I checked, was an intended feature of the game.
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The one aspect that turns a violation of the rules into an exploit is intent.
If the player presses the "Enter Arena" button with the intention of synchronising with someone, then it's indeed an exploit.
So where do you draw the line? Well, that's for ArenaNet to decide.
Personally, I think there are problems far worse to address.
Xunlai Guru Agent
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
There are study on this matter FYI, and it is an exploit
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PuppyEater
Even if it is a rule violation, what steps can they take to stop it?
Id hate to get a temp ban simply because I freakishly end up in a party with a guildy who also happened to be doing RA at the same time...
Id hate to get a temp ban simply because I freakishly end up in a party with a guildy who also happened to be doing RA at the same time...
Taki
It's RA and I couldn't give a damn what goes on in there but those trying to justify syncing, especially the two mods, are quite comical, or at least they would be if not for the gross stupidity.
Wrong. Random Arena implies that you can't control who you face AND who your teammates are. By purposely syncing you are taking half of that equation away to give yourself an unfair advantage over those who play the way the format was intended. That's an exploit, and like someone said before, it's cowardly and also bad "e-sportsmanship" (lol). If they weren't so afraid and tired of getting their asses gift-wrapped and handed to them in TA they would just go there instead.
Amazing. Well, amazingly retarded anyway. You're saying that it's only an exploit if it has a perfect chance of success. Don't even need to address that.
The definition of an exploit goes much deeper than your extremely limited or naive view. Recent example: the seven monk GvG squad was an exploit of the "Aggressive" feature Izzy so ingeniously invented. You might be surprised to find that it didn't involve any packet sniffing or code altering. Nor do many other 'exploits' for that matter
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Originally Posted by Avarre
Random Arenas implies also that you can't control what you're going to face. Sometimes, it'll be 4 guys that just bought the game. Sometimes, it's going to be a TA guild that got bored.
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Originally Posted by Avarre
It would be considered an exploit if you had a way to do it perfectly - for example, if you could do some mapping trick to get it all the time.
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Originally Posted by Rhaja the thief
A loophole in programming isn't an exploit. An exploit is intentionally seeking out a loophole in programming and using it to gain a significant advantage by forcing code against itself. Since syncers are not altering code, packet sniffing, or using a convoluted method to do this, it cannot be considered an exploit. You can sync on accident, you cannot exploit on accident.
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