Is GW Really Losing People?
Kagome
Because I think its really crowded. o_O I dunno why my friends say that its losing people... its right behind WoW and ahead of a lot of MMOs. :P
And its really fun and free! XD
And its really fun and free! XD
Arkantos
WoW has 11 million subscribers. GW has what, less than 2 million people that even play?
Guild Wars is losing people, it has been for a long time now. It's a dying game.
Guild Wars is losing people, it has been for a long time now. It's a dying game.
FlamingMetroid
Rak Orgon of Beowulf
i think its losing 2 kinds of people.
1.The 30 max titles, Choas gloves, FoW epeen types who are "too good" for such a "fail" game the ones who say "blah blah blah i remember when a 20/20 sword hilt was 75K" "GW is Dead"
I think the economy in GW is more stable than ever.
2.New people who are shut out by people group #1 "you dont have the cookie cutter build and therefore you cant get in our PuG or team arenas group cause all we care about is glad points"
1.The 30 max titles, Choas gloves, FoW epeen types who are "too good" for such a "fail" game the ones who say "blah blah blah i remember when a 20/20 sword hilt was 75K" "GW is Dead"
I think the economy in GW is more stable than ever.
2.New people who are shut out by people group #1 "you dont have the cookie cutter build and therefore you cant get in our PuG or team arenas group cause all we care about is glad points"
MiraBlackhand
Haha.
GW in its peak had ~3, maybe ~4 million people.
WoW has almost 12 million currently active subscribers.
GW in its peak had ~3, maybe ~4 million people.
WoW has almost 12 million currently active subscribers.
Kityn
It is kinda funny that people say GW is dying when I see new people playing all the time. Guild Wars was made to play then put away then pick up and play again. Sure there are many that have left. And many of those have come back. I can't speak for other guilds, but mine has been going strong since 2006. Sure some have left, but we have more people playing on a consistant basis than we did in the beginning. Truely I believe what keeps people around and playing is the people that they play with.
Arkantos
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i think its losing 2 kinds of people.
1.The 30 max titles, Choas gloves, FoW epeen types who are "too good" for such a "fail" game the ones who say "blah blah blah i remember when a 20/20 sword hilt was 75K" "GW is Dead" I think the economy in GW is more stable than ever. 2.New people who are shut out by people group #1 "you dont have the cookie cutter build and therefore you cant get in our PuG or team arenas group cause all we care about is glad points" |
They're losing PvP players who are tired of this unbalanced game. They're losing old players who are sick of ANet dumbing down the game. They're losing old players who are sick of ANet catering to the bad players who think they deserve everything. They're losing PvE players because of the lack of end game content. They're losing PvE players because of the lack of new content.
I can go on, but you get the point. They're losing all kinds of players, and right now there's nothing they can do about it.
HawkofStorms
Still FlamingMetroid, GW is still successful.
Warhammer online only has (last published figure) 750,000 people, and that is spread accross like 15 servers, and that game is considred a moderate success.
Many more MMOs fail today then they succeed. A.net is far above the level required to be a "failure," after all, apparently it has made a profit, something many games fail to do. It fact, its the biggest money maker in the entire NCSoft franchise according to quarterly reports.
Comparing ANY MMO style game to WoW for numbers is just dumb.
That's like saying Batman Begins is a bad movie because Star Wars (adjusting for inflation) made like 10 times as much money. They were both succesful, its just not "fair" to judge success as the same thing as "being one of the most successful of all time."
Warhammer online only has (last published figure) 750,000 people, and that is spread accross like 15 servers, and that game is considred a moderate success.
Many more MMOs fail today then they succeed. A.net is far above the level required to be a "failure," after all, apparently it has made a profit, something many games fail to do. It fact, its the biggest money maker in the entire NCSoft franchise according to quarterly reports.
Comparing ANY MMO style game to WoW for numbers is just dumb.
That's like saying Batman Begins is a bad movie because Star Wars (adjusting for inflation) made like 10 times as much money. They were both succesful, its just not "fair" to judge success as the same thing as "being one of the most successful of all time."
FlamingMetroid
Rak Orgon of Beowulf
the people who think GW is dying are the ones responsible for its death
play and have fun people.
play and have fun people.
Arkantos
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It is kinda funny that people say GW is dying when I see new people playing all the time. |
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Warhammer online only has (last published figure) 750,000 people, and that is spread accross like 15 servers, and that game is considred a moderate success. |
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the people who think GW is dying are the ones responsible for its death play and have fun people. |
HawkofStorms
That doesn't mean it stops costing them money to run their severs 24/7. And they are STILL turning a profit every quarter, which means enough new people (or people buying new expansions/accounts) for them to cover expenses.
While they may be on a decline since it is an older game after all, I'd never judge GW as anything other then a phenominal, unexpected success.
Edit: And if you go on any Warhammer boards Arkonas you will already see "OMG Warhammer is dying" posts on their boards too!!! They are having a mini exodus as the 30 day free subscription has expired and many people did not renew. Honestly, boards are melodramatic. GW has been dying since 2005, just like Warhammer is apparently already dying. Get over it.
While they may be on a decline since it is an older game after all, I'd never judge GW as anything other then a phenominal, unexpected success.
Edit: And if you go on any Warhammer boards Arkonas you will already see "OMG Warhammer is dying" posts on their boards too!!! They are having a mini exodus as the 30 day free subscription has expired and many people did not renew. Honestly, boards are melodramatic. GW has been dying since 2005, just like Warhammer is apparently already dying. Get over it.
Arkantos
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While they may be on a decline since it is an older game after all, I'd never judge GW as anything other then a phenominal, unexpected success. |
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GW has been dying since 2005, just like Warhammer is apparently already dying. Get over it. |
The game is dying, get over it.
Rak Orgon of Beowulf
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Edit: And if you go on any Warhammer boards Arkonas you will already see "OMG Warhammer is dying" posts on their boards too!!! They are having a mini exodus as the 30 day free subscription has expired and many people did not renew. Honestly, boards are melodramatic. GW has been dying since 2005, just like Warhammer is apparently already dying. Get over it.
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I think GW is waning(spelling?) in popularity. but it has given me continued enjoyment and i will buy and play GW2 when it comes out. My bro in-law's brother works for A-net so i'll support it regardless. He's pretty ftw lol
fenix
This is the thing about GW. There was 4 million sales, but that does in NO way represent a number of players. Being fair, there was probably over a million at most, but not many more.
Now, I guarantee there's probably no more than 300k active players. Saying that the game is still quite active is incorrect for the following reasons;
a) Event weekends bring in MORE players than any other time
b) Certain towns are always full, almost all the others are always empty
c) PvP has almost no players as well, as you can notice by the number of active high ranked guilds, and number of districts in HA
Finally, the most important thing to take into account, is who is posting these threads. For the most part, it is players who are in active guilds, and active alliances. Just because you have 10 guilds in an alliance with hundreds of VERY active players, doesn't mean this can transfer and apply to the rest of the community. In fact it's the opposite. Zone to almost any town in any chapter, and there will be less than 20 people in the district.
That != active game.
Now, I guarantee there's probably no more than 300k active players. Saying that the game is still quite active is incorrect for the following reasons;
a) Event weekends bring in MORE players than any other time
b) Certain towns are always full, almost all the others are always empty
c) PvP has almost no players as well, as you can notice by the number of active high ranked guilds, and number of districts in HA
Finally, the most important thing to take into account, is who is posting these threads. For the most part, it is players who are in active guilds, and active alliances. Just because you have 10 guilds in an alliance with hundreds of VERY active players, doesn't mean this can transfer and apply to the rest of the community. In fact it's the opposite. Zone to almost any town in any chapter, and there will be less than 20 people in the district.
That != active game.
Lord Sojar
Of the 12 million WoW subscribers, half are gold farmers.
Guild Wars most likely has 150-200k players on at peak hours on a weekend, 300k during peak of Halloween and Christmas (Christmas might be even a bit more, MAYBE).
WoW rains supreme, but that is because it is WoW.
Yes, Guild Wars is dying, but GW2 is on the way. ArenaNet realized the game was on a downward spiral. I am personally surprised it lasted this long to be quite honest. Impressive for a game that wasn't designed for continuous play.
Guild Wars most likely has 150-200k players on at peak hours on a weekend, 300k during peak of Halloween and Christmas (Christmas might be even a bit more, MAYBE).
WoW rains supreme, but that is because it is WoW.
Yes, Guild Wars is dying, but GW2 is on the way. ArenaNet realized the game was on a downward spiral. I am personally surprised it lasted this long to be quite honest. Impressive for a game that wasn't designed for continuous play.
Rak Orgon of Beowulf
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Yes, Guild Wars is dying, but GW2 is on the way. ArenaNet realized the game was on a downward spiral. I am personally surprised it lasted this long to be quite honest. Impressive for a game that wasn't designed for continuous play.
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imo EoTN was just a way to wrap up all of the in game content that was left over and rejected for other campaigns and give players something to do until GW2 came out, but not enough content made it so that people didn't spend much time finishing everything.
if you wanna keep playing, get in an active guild/alliance. if not, don't play and dont troll the games forums please
Edit: sry rahja not directed at you, just trolling in general, i know for a fact there is trolls on guru that havent played except an hour here and there who troll just for the +1 on the forums
Lord Sojar
I think you totally missed the concept of being a moderator. Sure, I keep adbots at bay, and help people. But... let's be honest... the big black letters basically translate to "Troll". So, thanks, but I think I will keep up my work around here, Inde would be mad if we didn't do our jobs.
Zinger314
I don't want to know where you are pulling those numbers from, but I bet it smells.
lordunicorn3
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I don't want to know where you are pulling those numbers from, but I bet it smells.
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im sure anet was expecting this to happen, with GW2 on the horizion why play this game.
But as we get close to the release of GW2 i think more and more people will start coming back.
Antares Ascending
To the compainers: if its so bad-leave!! You bitch and moan but stay?
FYI GW had between 5-6 million subs at its peak and I suspect the numbers will go back to that or better with GW2.
PVP is far more balanced than WOW where you either have the 'right' eq or loose. There are constant rebalances of skills to make it better but that gets complained about to.
There are to many skills, not enough different skills and all the good ones get nerfed....and to add insult to injury the game is free regardless of time spent on it :P
It takes alot of time and money to come up with a new game and we just had one in EOTN. Again..don't like it/leave!
Ant
FYI GW had between 5-6 million subs at its peak and I suspect the numbers will go back to that or better with GW2.
PVP is far more balanced than WOW where you either have the 'right' eq or loose. There are constant rebalances of skills to make it better but that gets complained about to.
There are to many skills, not enough different skills and all the good ones get nerfed....and to add insult to injury the game is free regardless of time spent on it :P
It takes alot of time and money to come up with a new game and we just had one in EOTN. Again..don't like it/leave!
Ant
DreamWind
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People have been saying it's dying since 2005, but did they have any evidence to show that it was dying? Right now, it is dying, and there is evidence. Everything dies, and Guild Wars' time is coming.
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Well yea I am looking at it...and its dying. The evidence is there where it wasn't before. Before was just speculation...now its reality.
Zinger314
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i know it sounds wrong, but that actually seems to be pretty correct, its maybe a little low but true. In the last month there are no more that probabily 500k people who have played, maybe on popular months 750K
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The closest "numbers" NCSoft has ever given was the EotN sales reports, which I calculated that 420k players bought EotN (give or take a few). Obviously, that's not indicative of anything, but I imagine the amount of players remaining will be a lot, lot, LOT less a year later.
If anyone is quoting GW numbers, I need a source. (WoW just hit 11 Mil, so I believe that much.)
Arkantos
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To the compainers: if its so bad-leave!! You bitch and moan but stay? |
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FYI GW had between 5-6 million subs at its peak and I suspect the numbers will go back to that or better with GW2. |
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PVP is far more balanced than WOW where you either have the 'right' eq or loose. There are constant rebalances of skills to make it better but that gets complained about to. |
Lord Sojar
Zinger, all you have to do is look at active districts across the servers, and add them together. I know math is a tough subject, but Windows Calculator can help greatly.
Outposts can fit 150 people max, Capital cities 250 I believe (maybe 300) So, add it up across all countries and districts. During PEAK hours on a weekend, those numbers are not too far off. During the week, probably more like 75k on at any one time. You are out of your mind if you think fewer people play the game, and are highly underestimating the game and its community. Guild Wars might be dying, but it isn't that dead... yet.
Outposts can fit 150 people max, Capital cities 250 I believe (maybe 300) So, add it up across all countries and districts. During PEAK hours on a weekend, those numbers are not too far off. During the week, probably more like 75k on at any one time. You are out of your mind if you think fewer people play the game, and are highly underestimating the game and its community. Guild Wars might be dying, but it isn't that dead... yet.
Kagome
Okayyy. Well its the best FREE MMO, right? XDD
Dmitri3
Uh, just so you know, GW isn't supposed to be a full time job like WoW. You can log in once a week and not feel bad cause there's no monthly payments.
You can't seriously expect one game to be your only source of entertainment.
You can't seriously expect one game to be your only source of entertainment.
FlamingMetroid
Zinger314
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Zinger, all you have to do is look at active districts across the servers, and add them together. I know math is a tough subject, but Windows Calculator can help greatly.
Outposts can fit 150 people max, Capital cities 250 I believe (maybe 300) So, add it up across all countries and districts. During PEAK hours on a weekend, those numbers are not too far off. During the week, probably more like 75k on at any one time. You are out of your mind if you think fewer people play the game, and are highly underestimating the game and its community. Guild Wars might be dying, but it isn't that dead... yet. |
Riiight.
You can do the math, but you'd be hard pressed to get more than maybe 200 or 300 districts total.
Bong Bro Zac
Thats the only reason i play this... its free..add a subscription fee and GW will lose most of its fanbase... imho i think the main problem with this game is poor skills balance... not to mention izzy, the man responsible for the changes, plays wow more than gw
PuppyEater
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Zinger, all you have to do is look at active districts across the servers, and add them together. I know math is a tough subject, but Windows Calculator can help greatly.
Outposts can fit 150 people max, Capital cities 250 I believe (maybe 300) So, add it up across all countries and districts. During PEAK hours on a weekend, those numbers are not too far off. During the week, probably more like 75k on at any one time. You are out of your mind if you think fewer people play the game, and are highly underestimating the game and its community. Guild Wars might be dying, but it isn't that dead... yet. |
Lord Sojar
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According to your math, and the assumption that there are 150k players at peak, that means that there are 750-1000 districts during peak hours.
Riiight. You can do the math, but you'd be hard pressed to get more than maybe 200 or 300 districts total. |
You also have to take into account those that are not in district cities, and are in their own play area at any one time.
Also, we are talking PEAK times. Absolute peak on non holiday events (Halloween and Christmas) So, it isn't that crazy to suggest 150k.
Arkantos
I don't think it's as low as 200-300, but I certainly don't believe there are 750-1000 on an average day at peak hours.
I'd love to see how many there are though, would be quite interesting.
I'd love to see how many there are though, would be quite interesting.
Esan
If you want less than speculation, look at the historical alliance juggernauts that were going full steam with no sign of decay as recently as 6 months ago. XoO is done. SNOW is done. SMS is moribund if not dead. oOo has been gone so long, people have forgotten it ever existed. What do we have left? Just TAM and Liar? Those who deny that this game is dying are probably those who still think McCain/Palin can win.
Rak Orgon of Beowulf
fenix
So we all agreed that GW is dying, and no one plays...but it would be nice to find out how many actually do...
Arkantos
fenix
zwei2stein
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So we all agreed that GW is dying, and no one plays...but it would be nice to find out how many actually do...
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1) got to http://www.eve-online.com/, note numbe of people online as A.
2) go to http://www.xfire.com/games/eve/Eve_Online/ note number of people online as B.
3) go to http://www.xfire.com/games/gw/Guild_Wars/ note numbe of people online as C.
Approximate number of people playing GW currently = (A/B)*C
Secksy
I find it funny that WC3 has more minutes played than GW.
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