Thursday November 13, 2008 - update notes - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Keira Nightgale

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

Gulfstream Owners Club [GS]

Rt/R

14 Nov 2008 at 00:51 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Um Yeah

You don't get the gold, exp, and faction you get from turning in the book, only the faction from completing the missions. Can't think of why we can't buy pages if we already did the missions.

These books are like eotn books, you complete it, give it to npc and get another one, give it to npc again , get reward again etc.

Sora267

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

14 Nov 2008 at 00:51 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

So basically this update only appeals to the PvE title farmers and no one else.

Hero Battle changes are still nonexistent.
Game balance is still bad.
Skill-gap is still small.
HA is still neglected.
TA is still dead.

Lame update is lame.

Maybe they realized that there's better games out there for PvP and that they can't get to a higher caliber of PvP with a less-than-ten-man team. If they can wow us with GW2's PvP, I personally can wait.

Edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvmu

OK so the books are not retroactive which means to get anything out of them you have to redo everything, so as far as i am looking at this that means an increase in grinding, makes these retroactive so each can be used once without ahveing to redo everything at it wouldn't be a lot better

That would bring so much gold into the game that it would damage the economy insanely. I'd probably get at least 50k, if not more, so multiply that times ~1.5 million that actually still play..

nvmu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

14 Nov 2008 at 00:51 - 43

OK so the books are not retroactive which means to get anything out of them you have to redo everything, so as far as i am looking at this that means an increase in grinding, makes these retroactive so each can be used once without ahveing to redo everything at it wouldn't be a lot better

Samscwamch

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 00:53 - 44

I logged in today to find that have to do EVERY MISSION ALL OVER AGAIN IN ALL 3 CAPAIGNS FOR THEM TO COUNT. That is absolute bullshit, i have very little intention to do it again for nothing, gg anet for RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing that part up, let me buy my RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing pages you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs!

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 00:53 - 45

wOO! Jade Quarry is alive !

mmmkay i am bad

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

hiding in ur basement =o

W/Rt

14 Nov 2008 at 00:55 - 46

what do you get from the new books?

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

14 Nov 2008 at 00:55 - 47

W T B Moar Storage for all those new books and summoning stones.
Seriously.
Zero storage increase on GW:EN and incredibly huge loads of entirely new items added since last storage update is a major pain.
/dreams

furanshisuko

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 00:56 - 48

any screenies about those new summoning stones?

Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 00:58 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaximus

wow really fail... so i just logged on all my chars to update the wisdom/treasure hunter titles. it gave me all the lux/kurz faction for them too, so it owed me 37k lux 35k kurz, but, since im in a kurz guild atm, and i have a higher lux title rank, i lost all it. it shouldnt give you both at the same time, rediculously poorly thought out anet. basically you could have a bunch of nice faction but both at the same time makes you lose it. /pissed

This is a problem.

Winston

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Melbourne, Australia

14 Nov 2008 at 00:59 - 50

Nice, I like it.

Can't wait to login and see how many backdated points I'll get

english storm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

14 Nov 2008 at 00:59 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

W T B Moar Storage for all those new books and summoning stones.
Seriously.
Zero storage increase on GW:EN and incredibly huge loads of entirely new items added since last storage update is a major pain.
/dreams

Yes what about an incubator type item but for books! It would be fantastic, the incubator type item takes one slot in your inventory but you can open it and slot in one of each book. Would be a great improvement to the game with all the books there are now imo

Broken Souls

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:00 - 52

I thought this would save the deep, I loved that area so much, maybe the news hasnt fed through yet, but the deep is still a dead zone

naughteblonde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Rabid Hamsters [NUBY]

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:03 - 53

Do like this update, it will make a couple of the grindier titles much better.
2 gripes though:
*All extra faction added at once - I just got 20k Kur and 20K Lux added when logging in. If I cash either I will loose all of the other. Normally I wouldnt try to gain faction for one side unless the other was all cashed in so I wouldnt lose any.
*New books arent retroactive. Pity as my mains have already completed all three campains several times over. Unlike eotn there doesnt seem to be a 'pay gold for page filled' option for these books meaning the chars would need to recomplete chapters all over again.

absolutcrobi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Naked Pagans

Rt/Me

14 Nov 2008 at 01:03 - 54

one problem, giving us the luxon and kurzick faction from previously beat mission all at one, well is wasting the one you dont' trade in.. 9k kurzick faction wasted because i have 13k luxon to trade in.

nvmu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

14 Nov 2008 at 01:05 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora of the Divine

That would bring so much gold into the game that it would damage the economy insanely. I'd probably get at least 50k, if not more, so multiply that times ~1.5 million that actually still play..

I do see you point, however do they expect that to go over well for the legendary defenders who now have to repeat every mission to turn in the books, I have 6 on me, well tell i delete them, only 6 because i have ss/lb maxed

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

14 Nov 2008 at 01:06 - 56

What is the reward for the "Young Heroes of Tyria" handbook?

Parson Brown

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

In ur base...

The one true [Hope]

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:07 - 57

Sorry to QQ, but the bonus faction for LUX and KURZ is delivered to your account at the same time... too bad you can only donate to one side or the other (while the other half burns up)!

Still, great update.

Dark Dragon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

RTD

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:10 - 58

Many thanks for the time and effort Anet

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:11 - 59

Great update. Exceeded my expectations. Thanks, ANet. On a scale of 1 to awesome, Linsey is simply brilliant.

I was right about the HFFF change. Simple solution.

Stuart444

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alexandria, Scotland

The Charter Vanguard [CV]

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:11 - 60

Remember, this is the monitoring period where they watch for possible problems and other stuff that might need fixes including bugs and all that before the weekend (since not everyone works on the weekend)

things could still change but this imo its a FANTASTIC update, and reduces grinding alot imo compared to before.

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:11 - 61

I'd trade this update for more storage. I realize that this must have taken ages to do and the ammount of effort put in would be pretty big but what for? To overshadow other peoples acomplishments? It wasn't impossible to earn titles before and it didn't need to be changed. Personally I feel as if there are so many other issues that could have been worked on instead of this. Congrats to all the PvE'rs that play though, I'm sure you are incredibly psyced about this.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

14 Nov 2008 at 01:13 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by english storm

Yes what about an incubator type item but for books! It would be fantastic, the incubator type item takes one slot in your inventory but you can open it and slot in one of each book. Would be a great improvement to the game with all the books there are now imo

Sadly this is completely not possible as all the books are 'incubator type' items themselves. Or to be more accurate, the incubator is a book item too. They're all variable items able to store up to 18 bits of data, that's far far from being able to store multiple variable items in it.

So the truth is we get another load of new stuff without any way to store them. GG.

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

14 Nov 2008 at 01:15 - 63

Quote:

* The time it takes for the Vengeance of the Gods meter to fill up has been reduced by 5 minutes.

Does this not give the Kurzick side a decidedly overwhelming advantage?

Travaail

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2008

scotland

LOD

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:16 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocobo1

I realize that this must have taken ages to do and the ammount of effort put in would be pretty big but what for? To overshadow other peoples acomplishments? It wasn't impossible to earn titles before and it didn't need to be changed. Personally I feel as if there are so many other issues that could have been worked on instead of this.

agreed, way to cheapen our accomplishments and waste time making the game easier for noobs rather than making the game work better and fix the existing problems that were actually problems. 3x max wisdom title now and 2.5x max treasure hunter..thats..so..completely useless to me

Kha

Sins FTW!

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Angel Sharks [AS]

14 Nov 2008 at 01:16 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

They decided not to allow people to pay to add pages because they were concerned about the negative effects on the economy.

Negative effects on the ecomony? What about negative effects on the community? Not allowing this isn't any different than saying that my monk and assassin with Legendary Guardian don't deserve to get the same rewards as others getting the titles now, which is even a bigger slap in the face since I got it on both before such broken things like consumables and Ursan were added to the game.

And even more consumables are added to the game...

At least newer players will benefit from the great (they are great and the people who worked on them should be proud) changes of Kurz/Luxon, SS/LB titles - all I got was 2 ranks in Treasure Hunter and Wisdom and more slaps in the face for having been a loyal supporter of the game and its campaigns when they were new. Kind of reminds me of the time I bought monk vabbian to be the first to have it and then immediately regretted ever wanting to get something right away...

Edited to add:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora of the Divine

That would bring so much gold into the game that it would damage the economy insanely. I'd probably get at least 50k, if not more, so multiply that times ~1.5 million that actually still play..

Which would have been already in the game if this was thought up when the titles were first added. But now it's pretty much a way to keep money out of the game by hurting people who have already done the work. So the philosophy here is reward people for doing things months, years even after a many of the others have already done them?

Jecht Scye

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Lucky Crickets[Luck]

N/Me

14 Nov 2008 at 01:17 - 66

As someone who already has many titles maxed - Thank you for the time and effort you've put into this update Anet. So far, on paper, it looks wonderful. Alliance Faction might actually be fun to gather again, and this gives me many more opportunities to hold more diverse events that help more people in my guild in the future.

Love the update Linsey and company, keep up the good work. Also, thank you for getting it done today. I know it takes alot of long hours and difficult work to do this kind of a massive update. My expectations were GREATLY exceeded.

Quote:

Does this not give the Kurzick side a decidedly overwhelming advantage?

possibly not. I recall back in the day when more people played competitive missions that the Luxons had a huge advantage with their Seige Turtles. This hasn't been the case recently, because there are so few players in Aspenwood that leechers go relatively unnopposed, and almost every game seems to have at least one. If the number of people picks up again, this could be a balance fix. Otherwise, you might be right.

Arainach

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Seattle, WA

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:18 - 67

I wholeheartedly agree with the spirit of this update, and greatly appreciated ArenaNet's efforts.

On to the complaining!
Actually, my only complaint is that I seem to have encountered a bug. I have four characters that have completed both Befriending quests, and most of which have beaten at least some of the missions mentioned in the notes. Unless I am gravely mistaken, I should received credit for all of these towards raising my faction caps. After logging in with all characters, my Kurzick cap is still 33,000 and my Luxon cap is still 27,000. If I am not mistaken, that should be more like 50K+ for each faction. Has anyone else run into issues here? Am I just insane? Did I misread the update notes?

Aldric

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

[IG]

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:19 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

They decided not to allow people to pay to add pages because they were concerned about the negative effects on the economy.

I like most of the changes but having to redo every single mission on my almost there Legenday Guardian ? Not a hope in hell's chance.

Also the faction gain was 50% lost due to the losing the other sides faction when trading in. Would have thought a slightly different methodology could have been found to stop this.

What effect on the Economy btw ?

Leighwyn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle

Limbo

Mo/E

14 Nov 2008 at 01:20 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kha

Negative effects on the ecomony? What about negative effects on the community? Not allowing this isn't any different than saying that my monk and assassin with Legendary Guardian don't deserve to get the same rewards as others getting the titles now

This...I don't understand their logic here.

doudou_steve

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Canada

Guildless QQ

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:20 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kha

Negative effects on the ecomony? What about negative effects on the community? Not allowing this isn't any different than saying that my monk and assassin with Legendary Guardian don't deserve to get the same rewards as others getting the titles now, which is even a bigger slap in the face since I got it on both before such broken things like consumables and Ursan were added to the game.

And even more consumables are added to the game...

At least newer players will benefit from the great (they are great and the people who worked on them should be proud) changes of Kurz/Luxon, SS/LB titles - all I got was 2 ranks in Treasure Hunter and Wisdom and more slaps in the face for having been a loyal supporter of the game and its campaigns when they were new. Kind of reminds me of the time I bought monk vabbian to be the first to have it and then immediately regretted ever wanting to get something right away...

Oh shut up. Anet is trying their best to please every one of us so the least you can say is Thank you Anet for your efforts.

Nothing can be perfect so accept it.

Bug John

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

14 Nov 2008 at 01:20 - 71

very good update

there are still 2 points that disturb me :

1) they gave us kurzick AND luxon faction at the same time... it's totally free faction, but you have to sacrifice half of what they gave you to use the other half

2) books are not retroactive

Bibblenorn

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Miendrak'el Myrth [MeM]

14 Nov 2008 at 01:20 - 72

I know it has been mentioned... but gaining Kurz and Luxon faction at the same time is concerning... I logged in with 3 chars before I realized... 30k kurz vs 24k lux...

I am afraid if I cash it in now, that they will fix it and I will lose it.
It would also hurt if they don't fix it...

I do like the update... but it hurts a little.

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

14 Nov 2008 at 01:21 - 73

Hahaha to FFF, nice update Anet.

Nanood

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Supermans Crystal Palace

Legion Of The Dark Sun

14 Nov 2008 at 01:22 - 74

This is all so awesome. Goes to show how much attention the devs pay to fun times. So much here that makes the game worth playing through.

Hugs and kisses for all the goodness.

Travaail

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2008

scotland

LOD

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:23 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

They decided not to allow people to pay to add pages because they were concerned about the negative effects on the economy.

if you're worried about the economy why not fix the way overpowered farming build that is perma shadowform?

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

14 Nov 2008 at 01:23 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Sadly this is completely not possible as all the books are 'incubator type' items themselves. Or to be more accurate, the incubator is a book item too. They're all variable items able to store up to 18 bits of data, that's far far from being able to store multiple variable items in it.

So the truth is we get another load of new stuff without any way to store them. GG.

Then just modify it so that the incubator contains a pointer to another incubator, or whatever. It's not rocket science.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

14 Nov 2008 at 01:24 - 77

We didn't get any storage with GWEN which had the worst inventory clutter and they just added 10 more books... haha, I find that kind of amazing.

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

14 Nov 2008 at 01:25 - 78

We now need a STORYBOOK CONTAINER, so you can put all in one inventory slot.

Cherno

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Stars of Destiny

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 01:26 - 79

I'm really sad about this update. There are some of us who have been playing loyally and thoroughly for years. These books will force me to do all the title work I already did again to be able to do anything with them and thanks for wasting even more already precious inventory slots with non-stackable books.

To top it off, I don't even know if it's worth it because they don't tell you what a full book will be worth and they kept the cap so damn high.

Adding the kurz and luxon faction is nice to retro fit what quests we've done. But stupidly they give them to us at the same time, so when we donate one, the other goes down and makes it pointless.

Ridiculous, too long to wait until gw2 and now to punish those who have been playing all this time is a slap in the face. Add me to the "i'm out of here" group of whiners. Thanks for the pointless update and loss of a huge fanbase.

nvmu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

14 Nov 2008 at 01:26 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aldric

What effect on the Economy btw ?

Ya i'm gonna have to agree with you, i don't foresee it being much worse than what ursan and sf did to the economy