Thursday November 13, 2008 - update notes - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Shiro Katagari

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

The Frontier Wolves

R/Mo

14 Nov 2008 at 02:51 - 161

I'm pretty sure someone mentioned it some way back in the posts, but a reasonably elegant way of solving the 'No Retroactive Missions' issue would be to charge an amount of gold such that retroactively filling a book (NM or HM) would cost (give or take) the amount of gold you'd get for handing in that book (again, different for NM or HM).

Thus, people get their XP, get their Faction (which is what we all want, right? Right?) and the economy doesn't get an overnight 10billion cash injection and keel over.

Parson Brown, it's only 120k in Z-keys if someone buys them off you, thus no 'new' gold introduced into the economy, which is different to the gold that would be added if the Books were made Retro-fillable.

Dark Dragon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

RTD

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 02:54 - 162

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackknight1337

I can only say one thing....the deliberate kick in the balls to those of us with legendary guardian is absolutely pathetic.

We put all that time into your game when it had tremendously lousy rewards for it, and you can't give the rewards to us now "because it might negatively affect the economy"...this is complete baloney.

And no, I'm sure as hell not doing it over again.

aaannnddd more tourny points....well guess not all things are screwed.

I am someone with legendary guardian i don't really see how not having retro book affects me at all, so i lose a little xp/plat/rep points so what, i got my legendary guardian because i enjoyed having a little bit more of a challenge and guess what i had fun! =O

I won't be doing all the missions again but i don't really see how this is a kick to those who have done it already.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 02:54 - 163

Parson_Brown, that money however isn't generated by the game. That money is just transfered from one player to another, not created. Not the same thing. Wouldn't have the same economic impact.

Another point, I find it ironic that the same people who are going "OMG noobs have been given easy mode to get titles easier" are often also the same ones going "OMG not giving me 100s of platinum retroactively because I'm legendary guardian."

Basically... people are all for "handouts" (for lack of a better word)... when they are for them. But not when they are for somebody else.

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

14 Nov 2008 at 02:56 - 164

wow I'm actually going to play the game this weekend, and it's going up against CoD5 and RA3, so a big "nice job Anet!!!" is in order.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 02:56 - 165

The Tales of Young Heroes book is the chronicle of the HM missions leading up to those found in the other books. filling them all out would lead to Legendary guardian minus normal mode versions of the Young Heroes missions, which are easy anyway.

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

14 Nov 2008 at 02:56 - 166

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuart444

uhh lol, just because its an achievement, doesn't mean it isn't fun.

seriously, it's a game it is for fun, end of.

sowrie
we dun live in fairy tale land

i wish i could believe this to be rite
but anet made some titles intentionally grindy/not fun

so ima have to agreee wit chocobo1 on this one

nvmu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

14 Nov 2008 at 02:58 - 167

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeniM

wow I'm actually going to play the game this weekend, and it's going up against CoD5 and RA3, so a big "nice job Anet!!!" is in order.

What is RA3???

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

14 Nov 2008 at 02:59 - 168

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

To be fair Azazel, the ranting and raving on this thread is relatively mild compared to some update threads. Some have had FAR more epic 'OMGZ wtf A.netz" reactions. I remember one update thread was closed literally with an hour and a half because of trolls. I think too many people (even the ones complaining) are happy about the wisdom/treasure hunter titles to notice (you can't deny that is a good idea, since everybody just moved their golds and IDed them on one character anyway).

I was more meaning those like that said things like "worse update ever" and "no PvP changes? Failz" that quickly get deleted (and thank god for that).

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvmu

If one of those two is me, which i am assuming it is nice burn, that was cleaver, on a side note yes this took alot of work, and i do appreciate the attempt, however the books rly need to be 1 time retroactive, thats my main issue with this update, and the l/k faction thing, i'm thinking they made it so who had to choose which 1 you wanted to have it go on, no big deal w/e, but yet still no endgame material

The book thing was badly done, but whatever is what i say. So your MAIN character has Legendary Guardian. Go on a newer character who doesn't have them. That is if you want full books.

Edit: New build? Wonder what it fixes. -hopes for the book, my only real issue-

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

14 Nov 2008 at 03:00 - 169

To everyone QQ'ing over non-retroactive books, do you realize it sounds like a noob saying, "Giev monies plz!"? If they did make the boks retroactive, a ton of gold would have hit the market instantly. At least this way, now everyone is on a equal playing field to filling in their books and receiving their rewards.

To the one who said that, "...achievements aren't meant to be all fun", I feel sorry for you.

I can only hope that you find video games fun again some time soon.

Anet did a wonderful job with this update and I'm sure they're still looking over things in case they need to iron out anything.

P.S. Does anyone know if the Turtles from the Jadeite Summon Stones use Siege Turtle Attack at all? I'd make one myself but jadeite is in short supply so I can't get my hands on one yet.

P.P.S Can't wait for Wintersday now!

Keira Nightgale

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

Gulfstream Owners Club [GS]

Rt/R

14 Nov 2008 at 03:00 - 170

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

sowrie
we dun live in fairy tale land

i wish i could believe this to be rite
but anet made some titles intentionally grindy/not fun

so ima have to agreee wit chocobo1 on this one

everytime u write I feel like I'm reading a chant :X

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:01 - 171

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvmu

What is RA3???

Red Alert 3. I'm tempted to get it myself.

Stuart444

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alexandria, Scotland

The Charter Vanguard [CV]

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:01 - 172

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

sowrie
we dun live in fairy tale land

i wish i could believe this to be rite
but anet made some titles intentionally grindy/not fun

so ima have to agreee wit chocobo1 on this one

what you think is not fun =/= what other people think is not fun

if you dont get what that means then....what it means is that just because you think a title is not fun......others may think that particular title is fun. simple as that.

Travaail

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2008

scotland

LOD

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:03 - 173

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Parson_Brown, that money however isn't generated by the game. That money is just transfered from one player to another, not created. Not the same thing. Wouldn't have the same economic impact.

Another point, I find it ironic that the same people who are going "OMG noobs have been given easy mode to get titles easier" are often also the same ones going "OMG not giving me 100s of platinum retroactively because I'm legendary guardian."

Basically... people are all for "handouts" (for lack of a better word)... when they are for them. But not when they are for somebody else.

yeh not me..i couldn't care less about the money i don't like the fact that those of us who actually had the dedication to put the time in and finish titles are now having our accomplishment cheapened by arena net's strange desire to make the game easy for noobs to reach endgame and get titles to display and things to dedicate..where's the reward for being a dedicated player?

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

14 Nov 2008 at 03:03 - 174

Great update, but I am missing "Beating Shiro increases Faction Cap by X". I really think beating him should raise the cap, too.

Anduin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ice Dragon Berserker Lodge

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:07 - 175

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale

Exactly, it's a reward, not something like a title. it's entirely optional, will get you only a few gold/faction. If you want the reward you will have to work for it

Wow, this is so obvious it pains me that I have to say it to you: Have they beaten the missions already?

What's that you say? Yes, they have?

Well then, buddy, guess what: They've already worked for it.

Anduin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ice Dragon Berserker Lodge

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:08 - 176

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

How is this a kick to anybody? EVERYBODY, whether you have legendary guardian or just bought the game today is on the same playing field when it comes to getting rewards for books. They aren't "punishing" you they are putting you on a level playing field.

Seriously, I CAN'T believe how many people are complaing that just because I beat Phrophecies on this character 3 years ago, I deserve a free 50k when I log in today. Actually, it is Guru. I take that back. I'm not surprised.

Already did the work = Not free.

I can't believe that this needs to be explained to people. And it isn't an even playing field. Playing through the game, in either difficulty, the first time around is no where near as painful as having to go back and do it again.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:09 - 177

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travaail

yeh not me..i couldn't care less about the money i don't like the fact that those of us who actually had the dedication to put the time in and finish titles are now having our accomplishment cheapened by arena net's strange desire to make the game easy for noobs to reach endgame and get titles to display and things to dedicate..where's the reward for being a dedicated player?

Dedication =/= grinding.

I'm pretty dedicated. I'll probablly (*fingers crossed*) get a closed GW2 beta invite. I have tons of titles too, including one of the most grindish (drunk). There is nothing to "cheapen." People who want to have their titles and gloat over others about their superiority have... issues. Plain and simple. GW was never designed to reward you for grind.

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

14 Nov 2008 at 03:13 - 178

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightow

At least this way, now everyone is on a equal playing field to filling in their books and receiving their rewards.

Actually, they're not. Someone just doing the campaigns now only has to complete each one once, but someone who's already done them has to complete them again (i.e. do twice the work) to get the same reward...

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:15 - 179

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anduin

Already did the work = Not free.

I can't believe that this needs to be explained to people. And it isn't an even playing field. Playing through the game, in either difficulty, the first time around is no where near as painful as having to go back and do it again.

it... is... not... work. It's a game. You know, entertainment? Work is my contract law assignment I'm supposed to be doing now instead of browsing guru.
Read my other post. Doing the titles was supposed to be fun. It suddenly should not stop being fun just because you don't get free virtual money.

It is a level playing field because everybody from now on can earn it the same way. Even though you earned it before, its not like you expected to be rewarded for it at the time.

I still don't see why everybody is complaining really. With raptor farming, veaterr farming, and UW SC (still doable, even after the nerf) there are plenty of fast and efficient ways to earn money far faster then turning it a book anyways. It's not like anybody is a pauper in this game. Deflation is through the roof. Everybody has money. Money is meaningless in GW. Its not like having it will get you the uber sword of pwning that deals 99-180 damage like in other MMOs. There is no disadvantage (and if you have legendary guardian, you probablly already have money coming out of your butt, I know I do).

joshuarodger

Unbanned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] -- IGN: Swirly

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:16 - 180

all-in-all, great update. storage space for the books will be an issue. at least the NF henchies all have elite now. the only problem i have with that is Aidan. he now has [practiced stance] and [heket's ram]. 2 stances, you really a henchie will be able to use those correctly? really?

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

14 Nov 2008 at 03:18 - 181

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

... I'll probablly (*fingers crossed*) get a closed GW2 beta invite.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

People who want to ... gloat over others about their superiority have... issues.

Lol.

more chars.

Travaail

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2008

scotland

LOD

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:18 - 182

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

GW was never designed to reward you for grind.

and gw players wonder why there are so many more playing WoW..atleast there you actually get rewards for time spent and reaching the end of the game..rather than your equipment having the same stats as some random noob who got a run to droks, or titles that are being made progressively easier to get. 30 titles beat all 4 games then why should you keep playing GW? and if you're not going to play GW why play GW2 since by the time it comes out there will be a new game that will likely be superior to GW2..if you can't keep em playing then you won't have player retention, ie death of guild wars..we've all seen regardless of what people say with their whole "GW isn't dead" crap. as i said earlier~ i quit, why keep playing if my achievements are going to be cheapened and my accomplishments are going to be made so easy even the worst GW player can get them..i thought gw was supposed to be about player skill? kk thx

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:20 - 183

I have legendary guardian and I see no money coming out of my butt.

You don't get much from beating missions in NM/HM. seriously. YOu can get it in a week. If you have money coming out of your butt, it's because you farmed. if you're farming, you're not getting Legendary guardian.

That's just a poor excuse.

Me, I'd like more money so I can buy stuff for other titles. That's just me.

izzywish

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Manchester, UK

Carpe Nocte [StN]

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:22 - 184

Great update and thanks to the dev team who really have excelled themselves with this one!

Apollo Smile

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

[LORE]

E/Mo

14 Nov 2008 at 03:22 - 185

Wonderful update! I have beaten all 3 campaigns and done most of the missions on my main, but my other characters will benefit from this greatly.
My thanks to Anet! Also QQs kindly throw yourself off a cliff.

Dark Dragon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

RTD

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:25 - 186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travaail

and gw players wonder why there are so many more playing WoW..atleast there you actually get rewards for time spent and reaching the end of the game..rather than your equipment having the same stats as some random noob who got a run to droks, or titles that are being made progressively easier to get. 30 titles beat all 4 games then why should you keep playing GW? and if you're not going to play GW why play GW2 since by the time it comes out there will be a new game that will likely be superior to GW2..if you can't keep em playing then you won't have player retention, ie death of guild wars..we've all seen regardless of what people say with their whole "GW isn't dead" crap. as i said earlier~ i quit, why keep playing if my achievements are going to be cheapened and my accomplishments are going to be made so easy even the worst GW player can get them..i thought gw was supposed to be about player skill? kk thx

I know the rewards in WOW are so amazing, you can get really great armor and weapons.... i love having that carrot dangled infront of my face.

Yey i finally got the final tier gear woohoo....

oh crap blizzard is just about to release another expansion my gear is gonna be worthless again in 2 levels. oh well at least i can spend another year or two to get to the top tier again.....

i love that carrot so much...mmmmmmmmmmmm

ahem.

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quebec, Canada

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:25 - 187

As I've already said, the update is amazing, but what about the Hall of Monuments ? Wasn't it supposed to be made account-wide too ?

Maybe it'll just come later. Anyway, great job Anet.

nagmier

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2008

EKTL

N/Mo

14 Nov 2008 at 03:26 - 188

I would just like to see a "Book Bag" as mentioned before. 12 Books per Toon... Zho, Mox, and 2ea (1 NM 1 HM) for Dungeon Master, Heros HB, Tyria Book, NF Book, Factions Book. Thats ALOT IMHO and I don't think it would be too hard to add... It may be but I would really like to see atleast a comment by Regina or another Anet Rep on this.

All in All I really think this will balance "Faction" and its a good update... TY Anet for giving us something even if its not perfect

Great job keep up the great work and oh BTW they got it out in time.

nvmu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

14 Nov 2008 at 03:29 - 189

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

It is a level playing field because everybody from now on can earn it the same way. Even though you earned it before, its not like you expected to be rewarded for it at the time.

your right that we didn't expect the reward, however it is assinite knowing that people who did the same thing as you will now be given greater rewards than you were for doing it

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

With raptor farming, veaterr farming, and UW SC (still doable, even after the nerf) there are plenty of fast and efficient ways to earn money far faster then turning it a book anyways. Deflation is through the roof. Everybody has money.There is no disadvantage (and if you have legendary guardian, you probablly already have money coming out of your butt, I know I do).

I have legendary guardian, i usually never have near 100k, because all the money i get usually goes for lockpicks, i don't do those farms because they are boring, i spent my time in uw doing 2man to farm the ectos for my oby over a year ago, and if anet rly cared about the economy they would ahve removed ursan a lot sooner than they did, and sf would have been gone a long time ago

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:30 - 190

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travaail

and gw players wonder why there are so many more playing WoW..atleast there you actually get rewards for time spent and reaching the end of the game..rather than your equipment having the same stats as some random noob who got a run to droks, or titles that are being made progressively easier to get. 30 titles beat all 4 games then why should you keep playing GW? and if you're not going to play GW why play GW2 since by the time it comes out there will be a new game that will likely be superior to GW2..if you can't keep em playing then you won't have player retention, ie death of guild wars..we've all seen regardless of what people say with their whole "GW isn't dead" crap. as i said earlier~ i quit, why keep playing if my achievements are going to be cheapened and my accomplishments are going to be made so easy even the worst GW player can get them..i thought gw was supposed to be about player skill? kk thx

Imagine that, a game where PvP is supposed to be skill based.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

And Philanas, the reason I mention "dedication" was because in the post I was quoting, the guy said this update "screwed over dedicated players." My point was it doesn't bother me.

Anyway, I should know by now to just give up arguing with people on guru. Good night.

Being

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Society Of Souls [Argh]

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:33 - 191

Thank you very much Anet for the update, great job. ^_^-b

I don't understand why everyones so fussed about not getting their books automatically filled. I'm happy enough that I now have a reason to repeat these missions on my Legendary Guardians.

This also gives more reason to help out people with missions. ^^

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

14 Nov 2008 at 03:35 - 192

not sure if want

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

14 Nov 2008 at 03:37 - 193

One thing I noticed is not only did they make it so you have to now kill mobs not just be at the location for the repeatable Faction rep quests which is fine.They have also buffed those mobs considerably, not only did they punish the HFFers they punished everyone by doing that, and that was uncalled for.

Now they are like fighting a whole group of mini bosses, making the quests no longer worth the effort it is better to just forget them and VQ areas instead. I mean I got over 10k for one VQ and could have done it much quicker had I not taken one of those repeatable quests and had to put up with a number of wipes fighting those mobs trying to complete it.

Clone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

14 Nov 2008 at 03:37 - 194

Well, three years into playing this game and tonight I got my first Luxon/Kurzicks skill. So, I suppose thats a good thing. I'm still curious as to what the reward amounts behind the storybooks are...

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:38 - 195

nothing really excited me there

l Raiku l

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2008

Gwen Has A Thing For [Pyre]

14 Nov 2008 at 03:43 - 196

I would just like to take the time out to thank Anet and Lindsey and the rest of the Design team for the awesome update today. Really going to make GW a lot of fun for the next couple of months.

Also to the qq'ers, your wow accounts will be handed out on the way out XD.

Saborath Gilgalad

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Minneapolis

Natural Born Killas [NBK]

14 Nov 2008 at 03:56 - 197

IMO the update was pretty bad. Punishing people who did LG before is stupid, and adding books for us to grind out the missions again is also pretty stupid. Nothing new, just them fixing the problems they created for themselves. It certainly wasn't worth the hype.

-Sonata-

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Pretty Hate Machines [NIN]

Me/

14 Nov 2008 at 04:00 - 198

I'm a treasure hunter at heart, so Thank you so much for basing that and wisdom across an account

The rest doesn't really impact me personally, but it's made a lot of people in my alliance quite happy (as far as I can tell), so that makes me happy.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 04:02 - 199

Very nice update ANet. I got like, 70-80k free Kurz faction, about 45k free Lux (which I had to lose), and now my caps are pretty big. Very nice.

I also got a bunch of free SS/LB points....so now I'm WAY over max, not that I needed them.

I would like free books though, Legendary Guardian was way too much of a struggle with H&H to want to do it again....

deathwearer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Canada/Quebec

Silentum Altum

E/Mo

14 Nov 2008 at 04:10 - 200

Best part of the update is that foes in the isle of nameless (PvP) started to give 40 balt each when you kill them. 1k balt in 20-30 second. That's the "Crash bug" latest update =/