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What Now

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

14 Nov 2008 at 03:27 - 1

I found the books a nice addition but I can't seem to buy the pages. Is this intentional or yet to be added at this time? I hope it's not permanent.

Personally do not mind redoing normal mode but being a primary PvPer who has been out of PvE for months now the hard mode bit seems a bit tedious. Having to redo every mission, put the time effort builds and teams together again. I understand if you want to make people play things through again but hard mode is another story. Can't you make some kind of exception or something, seems mildly retarded that your solution to grinding is increasing the mass of the grind. Why only grind that one area for points...when we can make them beat the game a million times

Seriously why even bother making the title prior to this.

Not going to bother with it just wonder. Is this to stay? Was hoping to buff up a title or two with previously beaten missions for some HoM PvE credit because I'm surely not going to grind or do anything out of my way for them.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 03:51 - 2

Because why should somebody like me, who masters the NM game on some of his character 3 years ago, get free money?

You worked on Protector/Guardian before because it was fun and you liked the title. Not getting the gold/exp/faction prior to that didn't make doing it any less fun at the time.

If it wasn't fun... why did you do it?

As for your other question, titles were released with the release of Factions, LONG before they even thought of the book idea... so... no such thing as a crystal ball.

What Now

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

14 Nov 2008 at 03:56 - 3

Why not just give credit to those who have the titles, easy enough to keep track of.

Another thing is yea it was interesting and worth the effort...the first time.

But who wants to redo HM just to grind it just for another book just for a title.

To fix the grind introduced by GW:EN we make all games like GW:EN..it's too genius.

Simply don't wish to redo HM, asking if this is permanent or will it/can it be changed? Seems a bit petty on Anets part going, we didn't come up with anything new the last few months, so redo the old stuff.

Kha

Sins FTW!

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Angel Sharks [AS]

14 Nov 2008 at 04:10 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Because why should somebody like me, who masters the NM game on some of his character 3 years ago, get free money?

You worked on Protector/Guardian before because it was fun and you liked the title. Not getting the gold/exp/faction prior to that didn't make doing it any less fun at the time.

If it wasn't fun... why did you do it?

Oh, I completely forgot. It's not fun now - that's why they have the books. I mean, if it was fun AND we were getting stuff for doing it... wow, that would just be stupid. I forgot that because people enjoyed something, they're not allowed to get the same rewards as people now. Thanks for reminding me!

Tarzan Yamada

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 04:45 - 5

Quote:

If you forget to bring a book with you on a mission, the corresponding NPC can fill in the missed page for you for a small fee. Missions don't have to be done in chronological order for you to get credit.

Seems like this should be retroactive, especially those with the titles. They made other faction retroactive if you completed Elite areas after HoM update, so this seems like an easy thing to do. I was a bit dissapointed when they wouldn't fill in my missing pages and I have Legendary Guardian.

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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14 Nov 2008 at 04:55 - 6

Why am I not surprised.....

Me and a couple of guildies battled and grinded our way to Protector/Guardian on 3 chapters, now those guildies are gone and no longer play.

So I have to redo everything I have already done to get a reward that might not be of any use to me...what is the reward?

Does anyone know what exactly we get, number wise, for a complete book? Normal or Hardmode?

Mourne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

North Carolina, US

The Arctic Marauders [TAM]

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14 Nov 2008 at 04:57 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Does anyone know what exactly we get, number wise, for a complete book? Normal or Hardmode?

Unless someone has gone through and done all of the book since the update...no there is no way to tell yet.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

14 Nov 2008 at 04:58 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Does anyone know what exactly we get, number wise, for a complete book? Normal or Hardmode?

No... since no one (I hope) has beaten an entire campaign in the 4 hours the update has been out.

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

14 Nov 2008 at 04:59 - 9

I can personally attest that the books were not intended to be retroactive. I asked Linsey about this in game just to be sure it wasn't a bug. I do agree that its a little annoying... but seriously, there's no real need to fill out the books anyway. The Prophecies one just gives gold and XP, the others just give you more rep points for the various factions, and there are now plenty of other ways of doing that.

Personally, I think this update was great! Good job to the Devs who worked on this!

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

14 Nov 2008 at 05:01 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

No... since no one (I hope) has beaten an entire campaign in the 4 hours the update has been out.

Just a note... none of the campaigns have to be fully beaten to fill out the book... the first few missions of each are skipped. The factions campaign is by far the easiest to complete so we should start seeing rewards info in the next day or two.

blackknight1337

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 05:04 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Because why should somebody like me, who masters the NM game on some of his character 3 years ago, get free money?

You worked on Protector/Guardian before because it was fun and you liked the title. Not getting the gold/exp/faction prior to that didn't make doing it any less fun at the time.

If it wasn't fun... why did you do it?

I don't give a crap really about the normal mode stuff, though it is somewhat irritating when I've already done that with most of my chars. The only reason I do it anymore is when I'm leveling chars. Its boring, its rewardless, and its generally a pain in the ass.

I'm pissed to hell about the hard mode bull. It wasn't done cause it was enjoyable, when you seen a handful of HM stuff, you've seen it all. It was long, tedious, and only got done cause I needed the title on the monk.

Now, the next thing someone is gonna post is why do I need the money anyway, since I've already done it. The answer is very simple, just because I've already done it means squat. If you offer rewards to someone for doing x campaign in HM, you offer it to everyone, including the others who have done it already. Anything less is an insult to those who have spent their time and effort on your product. "Unbalancing the economy" be damned, what the hell do you think giving everyone who does it now a bunch of money is going to do, if anything?

To summarize, Anet had better make this stuff retroactive. Anything less is a "kick in the balls" to us who have done it already, as someone put so eloquently in the other thread.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

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14 Nov 2008 at 05:23 - 12

Would be nice for it to be retroactive, because there's no way I'm ever doing a book since I've already done Legendary Guardian....

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

14 Nov 2008 at 06:19 - 13

Would be nice if it was retroactive, even just the one book per account. But I can't seem to bring myself to really care about this update.

Prophs book: probably just money and xp. Don't really care about either and I've already got my titles for doing it so don't really see myself going through it again. By the way, since they track what we've done for missions via the map and the guardian and protectors titles, it's not like they can say they don't know what we've completed.

Nightfall book: probably money, xp and SS and LB points. Don't care about the money or xp, and my main already maxed SS/LB so not really caring. Since I don't even bother with the titles on my non mains anymore, it's worthless. About the only use they'd be is if you can use them to get the SS rank 7 you need to get the venta cemetary mission for elonians. Which I doubt, since you'd have only done about 4 or five missions up till there.

Factions book: maybe useful, cause you get kurz and lux faction. But they don't seem to have changed the numbers for what you need for the title tracks, so unless the books give you like 100k faction or something, you'd proably still need to get like a million books or something. So not something I'm gonna work for.

New books, useless to me, but good for new players. Though they should get the books right at the beginning, unless filling in the pages is free. Cause you get the faction and nightfall books fairly early, but you'd have done quite a few missions before LA (unless you get run).

Edit: cut out some stuff that was more about the update in general (and stuck it in the updates thread) and left the book stuff.

Oink The Pig

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Kryta

Untimely Demise [Err了]

14 Nov 2008 at 07:02 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackknight1337

To summarize, Anet had better make this stuff retroactive. Anything less is a "kick in the balls" to us who have done it already, as someone put so eloquently in the other thread.

/agree

I ended up catching up on some PvE the last couple nights and did about 5 missions in HM. I knew I should've been playing GHWT instead. :/

And if you'll all recall, the GW:EN books were retroactive when they were introduced. You could buy the pages that you had already done and turn it in right away for the reward. The precedent was already set.

Amnel Ithtirsol

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

AU

League Of The Fallen

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 07:08 - 15

We dont need the gold for the books so let us pay for pages accordingly.
We need the rep points / faction rewards.

So ANet, make some calculations and add in the next update pls.

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 07:08 - 16

Notes say you can add a page if you forgot the book, for a small fee. I'd suggest trying this if you really need to fill the book retroactively.

Otherwise, the books add something, they don't take any of your accomplishments away. If you don't like them, pretend they don't exist and the game will be the same it was before their introduction.

xshadowwolfx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

California | Ascalon

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 07:10 - 17

At above yes that's the point but you can't it only counts missions completed starting from the update hence why it is NOT retroactive.

/signed for retroactive. I want money I want faction.

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

14 Nov 2008 at 08:19 - 18

Well if the books are not Retroactive, i suggest you Remove the Retroactive books from GWEN, that we are all used to..so we dont have anything to complain about.

/signed for retroactive books

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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14 Nov 2008 at 08:26 - 19

Like I said in the other thread, the one and only reward you got for completing Protector/Guardian was the title itself and whatever money and exp you got at that time, that's all you get sorry.

For today though, you can do it all over again and get something you don't really need because all these books do is add to something you already have, or give you something you don't really need. If you need the gold there are more profitable ways of getting it, if you don't want to do those ways, then you have to go through all the missions again, that's the way the ball rolls.

It's not a pain to re-do these missions in Normal Mode. You don't have to re-do any quests, you just bounce from mission to mission. I cleared out about 10 pages in the Prophecies book in about 4 hours. I was using H/H too so if you guys have friends it'll go even faster. Hell you can run some of those missions. Same with the other campaigns. Hard Mode will give you more stuff sure, but if you don't feel like doing it all over again, you don't have to. Simple as that.

It's going to be even easier to do the missions in Hard Mode anyways because you don't need to do the bonuses to get the book entry. I would agree with you guys most likely if you had to actually get Protector/Guardian to complete the books, but you don't and therefore it makes it a bit easier. Plus like I said, the rewards aren't that big that you HAVE to do them, there are better ways to make faction, money and exp.

Plus I think Anet was trying to bring some playability back to their game, it works for some folks, doesn't work for others. I suppose you guys should have been sitting around doing nothing like me for the last 8 months if you wanted to not be bored with the game.

Personally I hope Anet doesn't add a way but I'm sure they'll give in.

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Mo/Me

14 Nov 2008 at 09:06 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Personally I hope Anet doesn't add a way but I'm sure they'll give in.

I hope they don't. Decision they made was good and caving in to whiners would not be a good idea.

Sjeng

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

in my GH

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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14 Nov 2008 at 09:10 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Would be nice for it to be retroactive, because there's no way I'm ever doing a book since I've already done Legendary Guardian....

Exactly. Same here. And I don't even need the money or the XP, I only want the added SS/LB and K/L rep points gained from filled books.

Pretty please Anet?

Windf0rce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

14 Nov 2008 at 09:32 - 22

I don't think it is a problem, really.

I'm a Legendary Guardian and 2 out of the 2 books don't interest me anyway: the Tyrian one, as it gives no faction, and the Nightfall one, that gives SS/LB points which I have maxed out anyway.

The only book I'd be interested on are the Kurz/Lux ones. Depending on the amount of faction they give, it might be worth redoing factions missions. It happens to be the fastest campaign (13 missions) and the missions are battle-packed and fun.

If I make a new char someday I'll make sure to use books though.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 09:37 - 23

They must be sh$$ kidding me if they think I'm going to suffer through those BORING Tyrian missions all over again.

Quote:

I don't think it is a problem, really.

I'm a Legendary Guardian and 2 out of the 2 books don't interest me anyway: the Tyrian one, as it gives no faction, and the Nightfall one, that gives SS/LB points which I have maxed out anyway.

The only book I'd be interested on are the Kurz/Lux ones. Depending on the amount of faction they give, it might be worth redoing factions missions. It happens to be the fastest campaign (13 missions) and the missions are battle-packed and fun.

If I make a new char someday I'll make sure to use books though.

Which means - why should I give a damn if it doesn't affect me.

Pwny Ride

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Aussieland

Prime Players Of [OSHA] ~ [dth] alliance. <3

Me/E

14 Nov 2008 at 09:37 - 24

A-net completely set themselves up with this one.

With the retroactivity of the original EoTN books, they set a sort of precedent for the concept of the books.

And now, we have arguments against why the new books should be retroactive, and no real substantial arguments on why they shouldnt.

I personally really dont care, i'm only curious to see what the reward is, so i'm happy to wait.

Thats just how i see it.

I Will Heal You Ally

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

In my HoM

Canthan Refugees [TOGO]

E/Rt

14 Nov 2008 at 09:46 - 25

yeah I did most of my part only left with luxon and kurzick and I was hopoing I would get a free copy of those two books since I already have leg vanq and leg guard... so why not? That would be a nice reward for us who had the motivation to do it without the money involving *remembers how much money I spent of consumeables in some area*

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

14 Nov 2008 at 09:50 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Like I said in the other thread, the one and only reward you got for completing Protector/Guardian was the title itself and whatever money and exp you got at that time, that's all you get sorry.

So?

Why people doing it now are meant to get better rewards for it? The Title, the Money and also Reputation points?

Isn't it the very same stuff we have done?

Sorry, but I can't see how it's supposed to be fair. I did my Legendary Guardian when GW:EN wasn't out yet. I did it without PvE skills and consumables. I did it with no book reward. That's ok, that was fun, but I don't see a single reason why older players shouldn't be allowed to PAY to fill ONE book and get what they've missed by doing stuff sooner.

Windf0rce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

14 Nov 2008 at 09:50 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

They must be sh$$ kidding me if they think I'm going to suffer through those BORING Tyrian missions all over again.

Which means - why should I give a damn if it doesn't affect me.

Doesn't affect me? Give me a break, I could be getting tons of cash/Kurz/Lux faction from the 100+ missions I did total in HM and HM on my Ele, not to mention 100+ missions done spread among several other non-main characters too. I guess I know why ANet had a small concern about the gold. I alone would easily get 1/4th of a million Gold, imagine everyone that plays added together... a lot of Gold would come in simultaneosly.

And I agree about not doing Tyrian missions again, I definitely won't unless I make a totally new char. The Tyrian book is too long to complete and offers no faction reward.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

14 Nov 2008 at 10:50 - 28

What did you have after the update? The same, or more, than what you had before the update right?

So any complaints are really just "I want more free stuff please", which don't carry much weight in my opinion.

If you don't want to repeat anything, you don't have to. But if you do, you now get a bonus. I think that's cool.

So what if other people get something now, that you didn't get before? I grinded my way to max Kurz through HFFF. But I don't begrudge people being spared that soul-destroying grind, now that there are faster, and less tedious, ways to gain faction.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 11:02 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

They decided not to allow people to pay to add pages because they were concerned about the negative effects on the economy.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...5&postcount=39

Rick Thene

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

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Big Domage Krewe [DoMe]

A/W

14 Nov 2008 at 11:02 - 30

The Monument of Honour isn't Retroactive.
When the end-game area for Proph was released that wasn't retroactive.

And now this isn't retroactive. I really don't see a reason that it should be, especially seeing as we haven't even seen the rewards for a full book yet.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

14 Nov 2008 at 11:10 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Thene

The Monument of Honour isn't Retroactive.
When the end-game area for Proph was released that wasn't retroactive.

And now this isn't retroactive. I really don't see a reason that it should be, especially seeing as we haven't even seen the rewards for a full book yet.

End-game area for Proph = one mission.

Books = 18 (edit: or 11 in Cantha) BORING MISSIONS THAT SOMEONE HAS TO REPEAT.

And besides, even if the End-Game are in Proph was retroactive and you did get a book for it... How would you turn it in? By doing the mission. Which would mean that being retroactive wouldn't change ANYTHING.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

14 Nov 2008 at 11:28 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Thene

And now this isn't retroactive. I really don't see a reason that it should be, especially seeing as we haven't even seen the rewards for a full book yet.

Not quite, factions received is for those missions, when completed before the update.

Quote:

- Arborstone and Eternal Grove now give 1000 Kurzick faction for each level of completion. This is a one time only reward.
- Boreas Seabed and Gyala Hatchery now give 1000 Luxon faction for each level of completion. This is a one time only reward.
- Unwaking Waters now gives 1000 Luxon or Kurzick faction for each level of completion depending on which side was entered from. This is a one time only reward, regardless of which type of faction was given.

Faction will automatically be added to your account the next time you log in on each character that has achieved any levels of completion in these missions prior to these new rewards.

You were given factions for them because it's a one time only reward, as stated. Nothing to do with books. That's why people are asking for books to be retroactive.

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

14 Nov 2008 at 12:03 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Thene

The Monument of Honour isn't Retroactive.
When the end-game area for Proph was released that wasn't retroactive.

And now this isn't retroactive. I really don't see a reason that it should be, especially seeing as we haven't even seen the rewards for a full book yet.

You dont see how books are retroactive in GWEN, but not the others?
They really shot themselves in the head on this one.
It amuses me how much Anet likes to piss players off..they seem to get off on it.

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

14 Nov 2008 at 15:38 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by What Now

Personally do not mind redoing normal mode but being a primary PvPer who has been out of PvE for months now the hard mode bit seems a bit tedious. Having to redo every mission, put the time effort builds and teams together again.
Seriously why even bother making the title prior to this.

You seem to be missing the point of the books. The books are just another way to get faction/SS/LB points - if you still need/want to.
There is no need to redo any missions/quests unless you want or need that faction/SS/LB. You don't get any title or whatever from doing the books.
It's the same as the EotN books - it's just another way to get points/gold. If you don't want to do books, get the points/gold by whatever other way you want.

Quote:

You dont see how books are retroactive in GWEN, but not the others?

The books in GWEN are not, and never were, "retroactive". The only way they could be called retroactive would be if you got any credit for anything you did before the books came out. Since the books came out at the start of EotN, and they involve EotN quests/dungeons, they obviously can't be retroactive.
The buying of pages is part of the current "book" mechanism, it's not retroactive, for neither the EotN books, nor the new ones.

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 15:47 - 35

I've got Legendary Guardian on my monk and who knows how many Protectors titles across my other 8 characters (not all completed all three campaigns). Probably 20 or so Protectors titles.

Had I waited and done all that work now, I'd gain the rewards, and the money would come into the system anyway. Having done it early, I miss out on all of it. And remember, EotN books were retroactive.

There's no way in hell I am redoing all of that. Anet failed to consider their long-time players that got on board with titles early, and for that reason, they can go to hell, and take GW2 with them.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 15:49 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

So?

Why people doing it now are meant to get better rewards for it? The Title, the Money and also Reputation points?

Isn't it the very same stuff we have done?

Sorry, but I can't see how it's supposed to be fair. I did my Legendary Guardian when GW:EN wasn't out yet. I did it without PvE skills and consumables. I did it with no book reward. That's ok, that was fun, but I don't see a single reason why older players shouldn't be allowed to PAY to fill ONE book and get what they've missed by doing stuff sooner.

Yeah I can't really do anything to disagree with you there. The only thing I can say is your timing was off and I know that doesn't seem fair. I suppose most people will do bonuses when they do these missions, I won't however so for me, I wouldn't be gaining what you gained already anyways. I'd just be doing the missions.

But like I said, another reason could be Anet wanted people to get back into the game, it worked for me but I'm sure it won't work for most of you haha.

Oh and Prophecies isn't that long, at least you don't have to walk to each mission again. Just bounce from mission to mission.

I like the missions myself so I don't mind doing them over. That and like I said I've been sitting around in Shing Jea for the past 8 months

Takeko Nakano

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Great Britain

W/P

14 Nov 2008 at 15:52 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by cataphract

I hope they don't. Decision they made was good and caving in to whiners would not be a good idea.

Yeah, because if anyone complains they're whining. Whereas if they just take whatever ANet throws them they're somehow "better"....

If you had bothered to read some of the comments, you'd realise that we're not asking for free money. In fact I suggested that either:

a) the cost of buying these pages be bumped up from normal such that there was less benefit for people who had already completed the campaigns.

b) no money be given at all.

At this point I wouldn't care much about b) as I have plenty of cash - I'd just like the help in raising faction/LB & Sunspear points. Why is it so unreasonable to want to remove some of the grind from the titles?

You do realise that the ONLY reason given by Regina when this was raised was that there was a concern about an effect on the economy. Ergo if money gained is limited/removed officially there should be no problem.

In my view this is just a ploy to get lazy/bored players to get back into Guild Wars. What about those of us who never gave up? It's like those banks who give great deals for new customers to rope them in but not loyal ones.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

14 Nov 2008 at 16:04 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

The books in GWEN are not, and never were, "retroactive". Yes, I know about the buying all the pages thing, but that was a one shot deal for people who had already passed in a book. Similar to the faction you get from this update

Wrong. When the book system was introduced, whoever had already played through EN (completely, or partially) was allowed to have missing pages filled in a book by paying a small fee (100g per page). That was possible only once, so that you basically received credits for those missions you actually got done, but unfortunately did them BEFORE the books.

That's exactly what people were expecting to get now. And no, you don't get factions equivalent to a book right now, you just get factions for missions that now have a special and one-time only reward you wouldn't get by playing the mission again now (since you've already done it before):

Quote:

- Arborstone and Eternal Grove now give 1000 Kurzick faction for each level of completion. This is a one time only reward.
- Boreas Seabed and Gyala Hatchery now give 1000 Luxon faction for each level of completion. This is a one time only reward.
- Unwaking Waters now gives 1000 Luxon or Kurzick faction for each level of completion depending on which side was entered from. This is a one time only reward, regardless of which type of faction was given.

Faction will automatically be added to your account the next time you log in on each character that has achieved any levels of completion in these missions prior to these new rewards.

So, to me it's just LOGICAL to allow ONE book to be retroactive. Economy sounds a bit like a lame excuse and wouldn't be a problem at all, if money hadn't been included among those rewards, so why did they do it in the first place? Just to make players more upset?

Flossie

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 16:08 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

...BORING MISSIONS THAT SOMEONE HAS TO REPEAT....

I missed the line in the update notes where it was made compulsory to fill books, rather than it being an optional thing for people who wanted the reward...

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

14 Nov 2008 at 16:08 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by garethporlest18

But like I said, another reason could be Anet wanted people to get back into the game, it worked for me but I'm sure it won't work for most of you haha.

Actually, you know what? I played all those Protector and the Legendary Guardian titles due to the fact that I loved playing the missions. With people. I PUGged all of those Protector titles before hooking up with my current guild leader to do Legendary Guardian and MotN. Some of my favorite times in the game were PUGging those missions in groups of all people before Nightfall and heroes.

I was actually a little nostalgic and excited about the release of the new books. I have been retired for some time. The idea of many more people now wanting to go through and play missions actually perks my interest. Would I come back to do it again? Again, for no other reason than the fact that I simply enjoyed that? Yeah. Maybe.

I might have come back to actually play and do all that again, but now I'm too bitter about it. The entire time I'd simply be thinking that I should already have the reward and be playing towards it a second time.

Screw Anet. That's how they want to treat players that invest time in their game? Fine. It clearly makes no sense now to invest any more, since they dont honor previous investments. Making some of the titles account-based is good. Adding more ways to get faction is good. Neither of those really hurt players that pursued those titles previously, but Protectors and Guardians have been unfairly treated. Anet can go to a fiery pit of hell.