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tyrant rex

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29 Jan 2009 at 20:21 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

edit: just made some calculations
at 16 smite [ray of judgment] is good for around 338 damage
at 16 fire magic [savannah heat] packs 315 fire damage
compare recharge and energy cost and you'll pretty much know where this is going to
RoJ = SH for monks with a shiney animation

wasnt aware that sh was armor ignoring dmng like roj , stupid calculations are stupid

roj needs to get scatter added the fact that its armor ignoring aoe that dosent cause scatter is insane

cry of pain needs to get nerfed along with sy tntf sf and con sets. while none of these skills are as big an i win button as ursan there still ridiculous just because you need to have a few other skills to make the combo work dosent make the combo any less imbalanced . perma invincibilty is a stupid idea especially with the piss poor ai in this game that will ball around an sf tank and swing away till they all die from massive aoe armor ignoring cry spike

and people wonder why there are secret balance forums, because none of you seem to understand basic guild wars

riktw

Wilds Pathfinder

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netherlands

Mo/E

29 Jan 2009 at 20:30 - 82

roj is a bit overpowered, but still not perfect, ursan used to be far more powerfull.
maybe make damage a bit less of RoJ, and for CoP, keep it that way.
finally mesmers can do pve and kill thinks, and monk killing thinks is fun, but strange, still fun

Tyla

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Join Date: Sep 2006

29 Jan 2009 at 20:32 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by riktw

roj is a bit overpowered, but still not perfect, ursan used to be far more powerfull.
maybe make damage a bit less of RoJ, and for CoP, keep it that way.
finally mesmers can do pve and kill thinks, and monk killing thinks is fun, but strange, still fun

Mesmers could always PvE.

N1ghtstalker

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29 Jan 2009 at 20:36 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyrant rex

wasnt aware that sh was armor ignoring dmng like roj , stupid calculations are stupid

roj needs to get scatter added the fact that its armor ignoring aoe that dosent cause scatter is insane

cry of pain needs to get nerfed along with sy tntf sf and con sets. while none of these skills are as big an i win button as ursan there still ridiculous just because you need to have a few other skills to make the combo work dosent make the combo any less imbalanced . perma invincibilty is a stupid idea especially with the piss poor ai in this game that will ball around an sf tank and swing away till they all die from massive aoe armor ignoring cry spike

and people wonder why there are secret balance forums, because none of you seem to understand basic guild wars

so what
monks finally have someting good for offence and they're still not the best in nuking
now they can just compare to other powerful nukers like an SH ele with a full bar of AoE

tyrant rex

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29 Jan 2009 at 20:40 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

so what
monks finally have someting good for offence and they're still not the best in nuking
now they can just compare to other powerful nukers like an SH ele with a full bar of AoE

monks were designed as a support character the fact that they can now compete with a class designed to do big aoe dmng should tell you something is wrong , but your an idiot

N1ghtstalker

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29 Jan 2009 at 20:46 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyrant rex

monks were designed as a support character the fact that they can now compete with a class designed to do big aoe dmng should tell you something is wrong , but your an idiot

so cuz monks are used for healing the most says they can't be used in an offensive way?
that's like saying women are only there for cooking and cleaning cuz they do that the most

tyrant rex

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29 Jan 2009 at 20:55 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

so cuz monks are used for healing the most says they can't be used in an offensive way?
that's like saying women are only there for cooking and cleaning cuz they do that the most

what a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid comparison

atm arcane echo+ roj is better then a nuker bar because roj dmng is armor ignoring and fire nukers arent , in hm wheres monsters have massive armor/health buffs armor ignoring dmng is they way to go (also why crys dmng is insane) also a smiters bar compression is a lot better then the standard nukers its fine if a class can do multiple things , its imbalanced when a class that wasn't designed for aoe dmng can out do a class that was while still having access to alot of utility

taiwf

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

29 Jan 2009 at 23:12 - 88

what is the point of nerfing skill that bring player to play a dead (eg. DoA or any pve elite area)? PVE is dead. Nerfing pve skill only waste developer time and ensure abosolute 0 player participate elite area.

I see it as lose lose situation. No point to waste everyone's time.
NO SIGN for either skill.

Age

Hall Hero

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California Canada/BC

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29 Jan 2009 at 23:19 - 89

/Not signed for both .I only use RoJ when I H/H and it is the only elite I use.I never use CoP even on my Mesmer.I would suggest if you want scatter then all AoE skill cause sactter which means fire.I remember the FS scatter very well and it was not very effective to damage mobs.

I don't think Izzy really cares about this game as much as he use to and look what he did with smiters boon.I don't want this skill ending up like that one.

joshuarodger

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30 Jan 2009 at 00:25 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyrant rex

wasnt aware that sh was armor ignoring dmng like roj , stupid calculations are stupid

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyrant rex

monks were designed as a support character the fact that they can now compete with a class designed to do big aoe dmng should tell you something is wrong , but your an idiot

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyrant rex

what a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid comparison

atm arcane echo+ roj is better then a nuker bar because roj dmng is armor ignoring and fire nukers arent , in hm wheres monsters have massive armor/health buffs armor ignoring dmng is they way to go (also why crys dmng is insane) also a smiters bar compression is a lot better then the standard nukers its fine if a class can do multiple things , its imbalanced when a class that wasn't designed for aoe dmng can out do a class that was while still having access to alot of utility

if you're going to call some stupid and classify all of their arguments, valid or otherwise, as stupid, learn to spell and punctuate properly. otherwise it makes you look stupid.

there's no "n" in "damage".

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Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive

Also note that SH allows you to take Teinai's Heat, Searing Heat, etc... while RoJ allows you no extra AoE damage on your bar.

[smite hex][smite condition][balthazar's aura][kirin's wrath][symbol of wrath][zealot's fire]

looks like some AoE damage to me, especially if you have a 600 or permasin... granted for the wraths to work, you have to be in the middle of everything but the others still qualify as AoE. ohai icy

jaximus

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wisc

30 Jan 2009 at 00:35 - 91

as for CoP, make it like there is nothing to fear, it should scale in fast casting. then mesmers will be the people running it instead of all the junk running it now. they wanted mesmers to be better at pve, so make it more mesmery. right now its mostly ele/me cryers for the higher energy pool.

simple solution for roj. keep it as is, cuz then the pugs can not fail all the time, but give it exhaustion. then in fa/jq there wont be so many horribad monks roj->die->roj->die..., theyd have to wait for some energy back. no aoe scatter.. meh, deep freeze and it doesnt matter anyway.

Eragon Zarroc

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30 Jan 2009 at 01:54 - 92

another QQ thread. there is always gonna be stuff that is overpowered unless anet feels like changing it. everyone is gonna use it until it's nerfed. some advice: use the shit out of it until it is nerfed. if u don't want to use it based on some twisted self-righteous gameplay morals, then too bad for u. don't bother everyone else with ur stupid ramblings. go be leet with balanced builds and stfu. no one cares.

draxynnic

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30 Jan 2009 at 03:35 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyrant rex

wasnt aware that sh was armor ignoring dmng like roj , stupid calculations are stupid

roj needs to get scatter added the fact that its armor ignoring aoe that dosent cause scatter is insane

But why should RoJ cause scatter if Savannah Heat, say, doesn't? I'd say the Heat spells encourage scattering more because their strongest effect happens on the last pulse. RoJ, on the other hand, the victim is still burning for 3 seconds after they get out!

And then there's Maelstrom, which pretty much completely shuts down a spellcaster for its duration until they get out - shouldn't they scatter out of it too?

Sounds to me like it's a general issue - RoJ may be one of the more visible cases where lack of scatter is a problem due to its power, but I don't think this means it should be singled out to cause scatter when the others don't - instead, there should be a general AI script for deciding when an NPC scatters.

If RoJ really is not causing scatter where other DotAoEs are, than that's a bug that needs to be fixed. If other DotAoEs are not causing scatter, than that's a general problem that would probably better improve the game by fixing for all such skills than RoJ specifically.

(For the record, by my understanding, enemies are supposed to scatter in Hard but not in Normal. Alliance Battles and the like I haven't participated in, but unless there's a good reason for them to remain in place regardless, if they don't scatter now they should.)

Silverhand

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30 Jan 2009 at 04:29 - 94

The idea of tying cop to fast casting reminds me alot of the way ursan groups wanted wars only for the armor
Now elite areas will require mesmers
Whereas now app classes can go /me
And yes even warriors can
I just doa with a war cryer so don't tell me it doesn't work
/notsigned for cop to be tied with fast casting
Elite areas don't need more class discrimination

Joshgt2

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30 Jan 2009 at 05:08 - 95

I love how people nowadays are able to use their monks again to farm dungeons and certain areas in TEAMS using Ray of Judgment and they want to complain about it. This skill allows for many of the high end items to be farmed if you know what your doing and a great way to know how to work in a team. I don't see how these skills are overpowered really. Make RoJ scatter foes, then my team will simply bring Earthen Shakles and watch them not be able to move, are you going to complain about earth hexes then?

jaximus

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wisc

30 Jan 2009 at 05:39 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverhand

The idea of tying cop to fast casting reminds me alot of the way ursan groups wanted wars only for the armor
Now elite areas will require mesmers
Whereas now app classes can go /me
And yes even warriors can
I just doa with a war cryer so don't tell me it doesn't work
/notsigned for cop to be tied with fast casting
Elite areas don't need more class discrimination

the whole point of cry of pain was to promote mesmer pve, dont see how you dont get it. also, elite areas are sposed to be elite. not pug faceroll the keyboard. and yes, there should be more class descrimination. bad players dont have mesmers, they have warriors -> your point about warrior cryers....

thor hammerbane

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30 Jan 2009 at 05:43 - 97

PVE is SRS BSNS

A11Eur0

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30 Jan 2009 at 08:15 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyrant rex

wasnt aware that sh was armor ignoring dmng like roj , stupid calculations are stupid

roj needs to get scatter added the fact that its armor ignoring aoe that dosent cause scatter is insane

Notice the energy cost between the two. Monks have less energy (half on average) to start with and it costs 3x more. Recharge and cast time are also higher. That balances out the "armor ignoring" portion of it.

xDusT II

Wilds Pathfinder

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Melbourne

30 Jan 2009 at 10:57 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Notice the energy cost between the two. Monks have less energy (half on average) to start with and it costs 3x more. Recharge and cast time are also higher. That balances out the "armor ignoring" portion of it.

RoJ is 10e not 15e.

Silverhand

Lion's Arch Merchant

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30 Jan 2009 at 12:58 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaximus

the whole point of cry of pain was to promote mesmer pve, dont see how you dont get it. also, elite areas are sposed to be elite. not pug faceroll the keyboard. and yes, there should be more class descrimination. bad players dont have mesmers, they have warriors -> your point about warrior cryers....

I was just saying that right now all classes can cry
And I'm not a bad player.
No reason to imply that with ur arguement
All I was saying is that having to create a Mesmer and grind sunspear again in order to get into groups in elite areas seems alot like the old ursan days where everyone had to make a warrior for the armor

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

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Serbia

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30 Jan 2009 at 14:50 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaximus

the whole point of cry of pain was to promote mesmer pve, dont see how you dont get it. also, elite areas are sposed to be elite. not pug faceroll the keyboard. and yes, there should be more class descrimination. bad players dont have mesmers, they have warriors -> your point about warrior cryers....

Have you ever experienced class discrimination? You'd be against it if you did experience it. And bad players play many classes , not just warriors.

Also , the problem with CoP is that eles and necros make better use of it because of better energy management , I propose a simple addition:
Cry of Pain:Spell. Interrupt target foe's skill. If that foe was suffering from a Mesmer Hex, that foe and all foes in the area take 65...100 damage and you gain 1 energy for every 3 ranks in Fast Casting.
The energy gain won't be great , but at least it would offset the huge energy cost to echo it and it's nowhere near effective as [Ether Renewal] or Soul Reaping.

Horus

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30 Jan 2009 at 15:00 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by kostolomac

Have you ever experienced class discrimination? You'd be against it if you did experience it. And bad players play many classes , not just warriors.

Also , the problem with CoP is that eles and necros make better use of it because of better energy management , I propose a simple addition:
Cry of Pain:Spell. Interrupt target foe's skill. If that foe was suffering from a Mesmer Hex, that foe and all foes in the area take 65...100 damage and you gain 1 energy for every 3 ranks in Fast Casting.
The energy gain won't be great , but at least it would offset the huge energy cost to echo it and it's nowhere near effective as [Ether Renewal] or Soul Reaping.

buffing CoP? you're insane >_>

seriously, ppl here are talking about nerfing it and then you propose a buff?

kostolomac

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30 Jan 2009 at 15:07 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by guardian of dragon temple

buffing CoP? you're insane >_>

seriously, ppl here are talking about nerfing it and then you propose a buff?

When mesmers are worse at using their own skill than necros something is wrong. Tying the spell completely to fast casting would just increase class discrimination.

Horus

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30 Jan 2009 at 15:13 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by kostolomac

When mesmers are worse at using their own skill than necros something is wrong. Tying the spell completely to fast casting would just increase class discrimination.

that's one of reasons why a nerf is needed. make it an average skill, no matter what's it tied to, skill is too OP(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

30 Jan 2009 at 15:55 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by kostolomac

When mesmers are worse at using their own skill than necros something is wrong. Tying the spell completely to fast casting would just increase class discrimination.

Nerf it to a level where it's balanced and doesn't create the stupidest spike in the game, then scale it with FC and give it more utility as opposed to damage, but maybe make it a bit useful for X/Me professions like most other Sunspear skills.

Saying that, the same can be said about FC Snare. Boo FC Snare!!

Regulus X

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30 Jan 2009 at 16:38 - 106

Make all skills used in Cryway builds cause 100 damage per usage. Gg? Or better yet, 25/90 it. Smiter's Boon their whole bar that way they can't do sh*t and will be further influenced to pick up a different MMO. /endsarcasm

btw, I never ran Ursan or Cryways.. I'm simply annoyed at the fact that players are constantly interested in nerfing everything simply because of the success rate of it all and/or how easy it is to execute. If ya'll haven't noticed, GW consists of 8 skills. Whether you 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 it, 1-8-2-7-3-6-4-5 it, 1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1 it, etc.. it doesn't change the fact that it's all about 8 skills and clicking on them. So when you suggest nerfing skills, you're telling Anet to make it stupidly harder to slow down your progression and income.. and for what..? Some of you probably don't even farm and make these kinds of suggestions to nerf shit. Some of you cannot find groups because you fail to perform when invited to farm and get labeled as 'BAD', causing you to become less desired in groups. Some of you hate on others because you see them walk out with big incomes from farming and so you wish hatefully that their builds get nerfed so that they rake in less in longer periods of time. All in all, ya'll are destroying the game by asking Anet to hamper player's rapid progression through otherwise lengthy areas. Again, remember, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8, 1-1-2-1-1-4-1-1-5, 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2, etc.. it's all the same. Not much room for skill in it. Just enjoy the game and stop wishing destruction to the game.

lewis91

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30 Jan 2009 at 17:06 - 107

RoJ : First + Last pulse inflicts burning.

CoP : Dont add that with higher rank more foes affected crap, everyones rank 10 in sunspear who runs this build anyway, make it only inflict damage if you actually interrupt a skill...that adds a little bit of awarness to running the build. I have occasionally run this build in DoA or VSF and i like this team build, but im partial to abit of fairness being added to it.

jaximus

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wisc

30 Jan 2009 at 20:57 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by kostolomac

Have you ever experienced class discrimination? You'd be against it if you did experience it.

ive seen my share of class descrimination. but youre wrong about being against it. i have one of every class for pve so it doesnt effect me at all. im able to go anywhere and do anything i want because im a diverse balanced player. by playing many classes (see threads about how to make yourself a more dynamic and successful gw player) im above average in all of them.

and for people who say that necros and eles are better cryers, i disagree. yes you can potentially spam more, but if you have a competent team you really shouldnt have to cry more than twice, maybe 3 times. also, get a better bip. classes like ritualists make versatile cryers because they can spec into resto for protective was kaolai. skills like these reduce monk strain in areas like urgoz/deep where exhaust/health degen exist. this lets the bip (if not very efficient) focus less on monks and more on the cryers. a good bip should have the whole party bipped at any given time. an exception being the perma who is out of range.

kostolomac

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30 Jan 2009 at 21:14 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaximus

ive seen my share of class descrimination. but youre wrong about being against it. i have one of every class for pve so it doesnt effect me at all. im able to go anywhere and do anything i want because im a diverse balanced player. by playing many classes (see threads about how to make yourself a more dynamic and successful gw player) im above average in all of them.

Well , I only enjoy pve-ing with my mesmer , so I had a bit more trouble getting into groups.

I guess putting a limit of 10 enemies CoP can affect would be a good change.

psykoikonov

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

30 Jan 2009 at 21:25 - 110

Well my 2 cents.

CoP = all good, no problem.

RoJ has some stuff that is a problem.

1st It is NOT AOE (adjacent is not area of effect), in PVE there really is no problem (which is why it doesn't cause scatter) BUT

2nd in CM (AB, FA, JQ) and AB it is a problem, a hyrid monk with pro heals that can clear any shrine is not right nor is wiping 3 pegged heros (but then again Savannah Heat can do the same)

So imo RoJ needs to be fixed somehow but CoP is np (still takes skill and organization)

Tyla

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Join Date: Sep 2006

30 Jan 2009 at 21:32 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewis91

make it only inflict damage if you actually interrupt a skill...that adds a little bit of awarness to running the build

To be honest, HM will be dumb when running such skills.

PeeFive

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30 Jan 2009 at 21:41 - 112

People just don't stop complaining how the game is "set up".

There is always going to be a skill that some one doesn't like. First bashing Ursan now with RoJ and Cry of Pain. Why don't you go Cry Your Pain away because I personally don't see it as a big deal. A-Net does things for a reason. The buffed RoJ and now people complain about it because its "true" potential. Kinda makes me want to /facepalm.

A-net can't favor to everyone now can they? Well, no thats for sure. Maybe there can be a "Yourway" so you can put things how you want them and not complain on the little things that get under your skin. I see this game becoming more and more of a grindfest. So A-Net has to make up for it some how.

Tyla

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Join Date: Sep 2006

30 Jan 2009 at 22:04 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeeFive

A-Net does things for a reason.

To dumb their game down to such a level that you don't even have to have a monitor to win? I've heard no reasons or even anything saying why they won't touch certain skills.

Quote:

The buffed RoJ and now people complain about it because its "true" potential.

RoJ was complained about from release.

Quote:

A-net can't favor to everyone now can they? Well, no thats for sure. Maybe there can be a "Yourway" so you can put things how you want them and not complain on the little things that get under your skin. I see this game becoming more and more of a grindfest. So A-Net has to make up for it some how.

Favouring everyone is completely out of the question, and so is perfect balance. Balance team builds so that they have a comparable skill level and power levels based on that skill level, and builds that are weaker, but better for inexperienced players. So that there isn't one playstyle that rules all others, but many on the same tier.

TalanRoarer

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30 Jan 2009 at 22:47 - 114

Jesus people.
Dont like it then dont use it.
Simple, eh?

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

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30 Jan 2009 at 22:54 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenC777

Jesus people.
Dont like it then dont use it.
Simple, eh?

How many times has DLDU been uttered? Don't like this thread? Don't post.

Silverhand

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Virtual Benchwarmers [VB]

30 Jan 2009 at 23:09 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by kostolomac

When mesmers are worse at using their own skill than necros something is wrong. Tying the spell completely to fast casting would just increase class discrimination.

same thing could be said about critical strikes making scythes more effective on a sin then a dervish
certain skills can work better on different classes
its why we have two professions
another example n/rt healers in SWAY that dominated HA for awhile

TalanRoarer

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30 Jan 2009 at 23:40 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

How many times has DLDU been uttered? Don't like this thread? Don't post.

Lol. Go and play some gws and quit QQing.

UnChosen

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

31 Jan 2009 at 00:04 - 118

Lol all the nerfs people are asking for are essentially trying to make CoP worse than non PvE skills. Like the interrupt required part...if I'm gonna grind for hours on end to make CoP effective, I sure as hell don't want a slighty more powerful cry of frustration. In fact most of the PvE skills don't even justify the amount of grind required, such as crap like triple shot and don't trip. CoP is fine as one of the few not underpowered pve skills.

Dmitri3

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31 Jan 2009 at 00:35 - 119

Crying in Pain in my Ray of Judgment.

Scatter effect for RoJ would be fine. But don't nerf CoP (even though I don't like the skill), it needs a complete rework so that it's more beneficial for mesmers primary.

Thus, CoP - /half-signed
RoJ - /signed, why not?

jaximus

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wisc

31 Jan 2009 at 00:35 - 120

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

To dumb their game down to such a level that you don't even have to have a monitor to win?

this. by making pve only skills the player base has fallen in skill quite a bit. skills like cry are immensely powerful tools can even be used wrong. too many times have i seen people use cry without the little purple triangle or the purple health bar!

skills like this make players worse. yes it allows them to fill their hall of monuments with minimal effort, but really, stop and think here. do you truly want these people, skill-less deteriorated players, being the foundation for gw2? really ask yourself that. this isnt an argument if cry is a good or bad skill, we all know its op'd. topics like this, the current way people are filling their halls, are going to decide when gw2 floats or sinks.

a net has to know that this is crippling players and will drive the good players away from their game. no player will want to play a game where the player base is inflated ego people thinking they are great cuz they can abuse overpowered skills.

really think. then decide whether you are for or against skills like this.