Hey PvP'rs, could you QQ a bit more plz. I just brought a boat and I want to check it's watertight.
This just smacks of "I was doing ok with this, but now everyone is doing it, my z-keys are worth carp". Get over it already.
It'll be a sad day in Tartarus when A-net listens to more "PvP'rs" trying to stroke their e-peen again. GW's stopped being about PvP a long time ago.
Your opinion on XTH?
Anon-e-mouse
Raven Wing
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All that the z keys do to the economy is making some rare skins common and this devalued. On the other hand you could say, since some people can harvest hindreds of keys and use them to buy rare items with it actually ought to increase demand and value of some wanted items.
My personal opinion is that the XTH is a bit ridiculous, I spend a few minutes each month on random clicking and get free stuff. Im not interested in high end pvp, it isnt what I am playing for. Other people use this as a legal way of RMT as already mentioned. Both approaches are irrelevant for the high end pvp in itself.
So as I see it, it does no good for pvp and not much good for pvp or the game economy. All it do is channelling some extra cash to Anet.
riktw
well, even if z-keys hit 2.5K, wich i will doubt, you still get free cash.
would be better if you could sell them to merchant for lets say 4K
so value will never drop under that.
aw well, i like me 20z-keys a month.
maybe some nice armor you can only buy with z-keys will make prices better.
and nice armor is nice, but make it look better that FoW Plstnx
would be better if you could sell them to merchant for lets say 4K
so value will never drop under that.
aw well, i like me 20z-keys a month.
maybe some nice armor you can only buy with z-keys will make prices better.
and nice armor is nice, but make it look better that FoW Plstnx
ProgTes
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GW's stopped being about PvP a long time ago.
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Also, free money! Keep xth please.
Zamochit
XTH has proven to be an extreemly effective way of reducing the impact of gold selling sites; now if people do want to get additional gold each month then they can buy an extra account and get the extra zkeys, and hence money this provides. This way ANET gets the extra income rather than these sites, which can be put towards GW2.
I agree that the ZKeys have had an interesting impact on the economics of the game, notably the PVE/PVP divide has been blurred somewhat with pvp'ers now being some of the richest characters in the game.
Eventually with supply and demand the Zkeys will prove less and less valuable, but at the moment its a nice little bonus for everyone who have supported ANET by purchasing their game(s), more so if they have purchased multiple copies.
I agree that the ZKeys have had an interesting impact on the economics of the game, notably the PVE/PVP divide has been blurred somewhat with pvp'ers now being some of the richest characters in the game.
Eventually with supply and demand the Zkeys will prove less and less valuable, but at the moment its a nice little bonus for everyone who have supported ANET by purchasing their game(s), more so if they have purchased multiple copies.
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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
!. It's fun.
2. Who cares about the economy? 3. Keep the XTH. |
And dont even need to add anymore :-)
Tullzinski
Nothing wrong with XTH. Should be kept in the game. I am still amazed at the amount of people that do not know it exists. Anything that screws up the gold sellers is good.
exploiter
I like XTH. And I dont care about Z keys dropping in price like all the PvPers whine about. Still some free money
Yawgmoth
Free money wouldn't be as BAD as free Reward Points / ZKeys are. Those are meant for PvP players and it's almost the only way they can make money when playing. If XTH rewards allowed some free openings of the chest
So PvP players should get tradeable ZKeys as they do now. XTH should be completely removed (I'm all for it) or in worst case changed drastically - award non-tradeable keys directly or something else, and remove HB predictions entirely.
So PvP players should get tradeable ZKeys as they do now. XTH should be completely removed (I'm all for it) or in worst case changed drastically - award non-tradeable keys directly or something else, and remove HB predictions entirely.
Rocky Raccoon
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Free money wouldn't be as BAD as free Reward Points / ZKeys are. Those are meant for PvP players and it's almost the only way they can make money when playing. If XTH rewards allowed some free openings of the chest
So PvP players should get tradeable ZKeys as they do now. XTH should be completely removed (I'm all for it) or in worst case changed drastically - award non-tradeable keys directly or something else, and remove HB predictions entirely. |
Yawgmoth
Almost everything in GW is for vanity purposes, but thats still REWARDS for playing. And giving TONS OF REWARDS to players not playing at all makes the same rewards worth much less for those who actively play.
People who don't see a problem here must be greatly benefitting from the broken system, making big profits with zero effort, or just be complete ignorants.
Contradicting yourself much? We all see it's a blatant way of selling ingame wealth for real $$$. People aren't that dumb (except for those who are 
)- it's already catching a lot of negative publicity - just look at the masses of threads about this same thing that pop up everywhere.
If someone doesn't see that it's just like Anet started selling Reward Points directly in the ingame online store he needs to rethink the whole thing.
$30 - lifetime supply of reward points, unlimited offer - buy as many packets as you want!
People who don't see a problem here must be greatly benefitting from the broken system, making big profits with zero effort, or just be complete ignorants.
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While XTH was a terrible idea for the game, it is a source of revenue for the devs and is not going away. XTH is simply a blatant effort by the devs to legalize RMT and collect the surplus themselves without catching the negative publicity associated with selling money in an online game.
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)- it's already catching a lot of negative publicity - just look at the masses of threads about this same thing that pop up everywhere. If someone doesn't see that it's just like Anet started selling Reward Points directly in the ingame online store he needs to rethink the whole thing.
$30 - lifetime supply of reward points, unlimited offer - buy as many packets as you want!
Yarly
XTH isn't just about zkeys. Its about tournament reward points, i and alot of other people actually do use those to pimp our pvp characters instead of trading them for zkeys.
I might be in the minority, but the way i choose to use my points complicates any argument to remove XTH just because of the economy. I never ever pve, so it helps greatly.
If anything is going to be changed its going to be the zkeys themselves, not XTH.
I might be in the minority, but the way i choose to use my points complicates any argument to remove XTH just because of the economy. I never ever pve, so it helps greatly.
If anything is going to be changed its going to be the zkeys themselves, not XTH.
ProgTes
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And giving TONS OF REWARDS to players not playing at all makes the same rewards worth much less for those who actively play.
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If you feel offended by someone having more money/items/titles than you with less effort; that sucks for you (talking generally here, nothing is directed at above poster). It does not affect you in any way, you still have what you worked for, right? You deliberately chose to max such title/spend X gold on item Y and if prices plummet or the amount of time require to get said title gets lower: don't qq and stop being jealous because other people have what you have.
Dronte
Whoever says zkeys should be acc based or Anet has to stop the multiple acc predictions, please realise, that XTH was implemented for a real good reason, and that is clean profit from new accounts.
Also, at least I can laugh at people who buy several accounts for more rewards, as its an obvious method to convert your real money to IG money, which is totally stupid (doesnt bother me though, its just funny)
This was a totally UNRELATED and useless trolling attempt from you. Economy is not related to PvP, at least not more than it is to PvE. And how did you find out that all those "qq-ers" are PvP-ers? Normal PvPers doesnt give a SH*T about economy and anything connected to that.
Personally I was happy when Zkeys were introuced, rewards for balth faction is free money too. So idc how much it worths, its just good. As well as XTH, free 20 zkeys / month. And yes, I usually play pvp. Not like it matters.
Also, at least I can laugh at people who buy several accounts for more rewards, as its an obvious method to convert your real money to IG money, which is totally stupid (doesnt bother me though, its just funny)
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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse
Hey PvP'rs, could you QQ a bit more plz. I just brought a boat and I want to check it's watertight.
This just smacks of "I was doing ok with this, but now everyone is doing it, my z-keys are worth carp". Get over it already. It'll be a sad day in Tartarus when A-net listens to more "PvP'rs" trying to stroke their e-peen again. GW's stopped being about PvP a long time ago. |
Personally I was happy when Zkeys were introuced, rewards for balth faction is free money too. So idc how much it worths, its just good. As well as XTH, free 20 zkeys / month. And yes, I usually play pvp. Not like it matters.
Gforce
XTH can be removed as far as I care, I dont really want to bother filling those things in every month anyway and it will increase the value of the zkeys I earn through pvp.
garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by Raven Wing
You are wrong there, it was the introduction of HM that brought about abundance of mods and gold weps.
All that the z keys do to the economy is making some rare skins common and this devalued. On the other hand you could say, since some people can harvest hindreds of keys and use them to buy rare items with it actually ought to increase demand and value of some wanted items. My personal opinion is that the XTH is a bit ridiculous, I spend a few minutes each month on random clicking and get free stuff. Im not interested in high end pvp, it isnt what I am playing for. Other people use this as a legal way of RMT as already mentioned. Both approaches are irrelevant for the high end pvp in itself. So as I see it, it does no good for pvp and not much good for pvp or the game economy. All it do is channelling some extra cash to Anet. |
The real death blow to the weapon market was Nightfall. Inscribable weapons were one of the worst decisions ever made, but since the majority of players in GW have bad luck, they won out. Course time is a really big issue as well, over time things get farmed and things become less rare and more common. Then mix that with the small "god mod" type updates to skills, HM and Zkeys you have what we have now. Although I bet you if you took out the inscribable part, weapons and shields would still be netting some pretty good coin when they had the mods people wanted. Oh well.
As for the XTH. It's good in a way because it helps people who don't know how or don't want to farm because they're lazy asses or don't have that kind of play style make money, while it's kind of crap because people who want to spend more on a game irl make more in game instead of their skill being the decider of that. But that argument died with SF and other things, so..
Bottom line is Anet is making money with this and they know it so it won't be removed.
Jaran Cell
1 solution you could try would be to make it a requirement to have 100+ played hours on an account before it could be used to bet with.
Not really needed though, XTH doesn't bother me much and I'm mostly a PvP player X)
Not really needed though, XTH doesn't bother me much and I'm mostly a PvP player X)
Lourens
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Didn't see a thread on this so here goes
Is XTH good? Should it be kept? Should XTH be removed/amended? Pros: gets players involved with mATs(best I could think of) Cons: puts zkeys in economy every month and messes with it Question for Regina if you see this Will Xth be removed anytime soon? Before gw2? Thanks So share your opinions! (sorry if there is similar thread or in wrong location) |
XTH is ruining GW economy atm imo
t00115577
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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse
GW's stopped being about PvP a long time ago.
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On Topic: XTH is awsoume multiple accounts and boatloads of Z.Keys a month = many sets of fow and all the shiny weps I can want, who could complain?
Divine Slaya
XTH should be removed. If PvErs are so skilled, they can go and earn reward points like the PvPers do. If PvPers can't get chaos gloves and eotn armor, PvErs don't deserve free reward points.
BlueNovember
Holy shit DragonRogue, angry much?
Wait, what?
People will always sell as high as people are willing to buy. When the title came out more people were interested, so naturally the price went up. It wasn't some evil pvper conspiracy as you're implying.
^_^
Stop derailing. All titles can be achieved through grind of some sort, but it's generally accepted that pvp titles are harder to get.
Shocking as you may find this; pvpers play pve also, or use pve characters to pvp with. This is an expensive business; it requires gold to kit out toons.
Yes, pretty much.
...or sell zkeys. Even at 2k ea it's like 50k each month, even on 1 account. Plus you assume pvpers are don't know jack
No-one's whining about the fall in zk prices. The thread is complaining about the abundance affecting "economy", which is more in reference to skin prices. And how is selling zkeys greedy?
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Not a bad plan, but people would still just leave accounts logged in for 4 days to meet the requirement.
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Now with the Zkeys there is a demand for them, and they are removed from the market by being used on the chest. But like the housing market, the over inflated price of the item from what it used to be, to what it is now, is the sole responsiblity of the PVPers who had control over these to begin with, and its their greed that caused this, by doubling the price of the keys once the title for it came out.
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People will always sell as high as people are willing to buy. When the title came out more people were interested, so naturally the price went up. It wasn't some evil pvper conspiracy as you're implying.
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This all still comes down to the fact that you are a bunch of greedy f**ks and are QQing over a loss in what you thought something should be worth instead of what it really is worth and you only have yourselves, not ANET, to blame. ...
And i have serious doubts that anyone crying over the drop in prices, has only one account at the XTH, because a drop in 30k a month wouldnt be worth QQing about in the first place. If it is, you need to get a life, or learn to farm. Because any first day noob can make 1k a day. So admit you are all a bunch a greedy bitches, deal with the losses you suffer now because of your greed, and move on and stop QQing. Its not ANETs fault that you want to be richer, and have more stuff, than the next player. Its yours. |
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What do PVPers even need gold for anyway, since everything they could want is given to them thru balth faction and TPs? We always hear endless attacks that the PVP titles are the only ones that matter and that the PVE ones are useless and stupid.
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Shocking as you may find this; pvpers play pve also, or use pve characters to pvp with. This is an expensive business; it requires gold to kit out toons.
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So what is it that falls from the Zchest that is even used by PVPers? Tomes, Lockpicks, Creme Brulee, Firewater, R12 skins?
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if the PVPers want gold, then take your ass off its high horse and learn to farm for it.
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Whats wrong, is all you greedy B*tches whining endlessly about how little you are making every month off of the Zkeys now compared to when it started. If you want to put a stop to the greed, then stop selling your damn keys and stop buying them, or stop whining about this.
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1 solution you could try would be to make it a requirement to have 100+ played hours on an account before it could be used to bet with.
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JASON626
i can't believe how many people are too lazy to sign up for free stuff like this.. guildwars.com sign up. click and drag the team you think will win into a box 1-8 so freakin easy 5 minutes.
I hope more people sign up making zkeys worth like 800g each.. I mean anet might as well deposit 100k into our accounts every month. I think its more fun to open the chest. Maybe the chest needs the chance of drop 5k gold coins as well.
I hope more people sign up making zkeys worth like 800g each.. I mean anet might as well deposit 100k into our accounts every month. I think its more fun to open the chest. Maybe the chest needs the chance of drop 5k gold coins as well.
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Ec]-[oMaN
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Originally Posted by Divine Slaya
XTH should be removed. If PvErs are so skilled, they can go and earn reward points like the PvPers do. If PvPers can't get chaos gloves and eotn armor, PvErs don't deserve free reward points.
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Painbringer
Now I can put my picks in earn a key open a chest and only seem to get a firewater to get drunk… what’s the problem?
It sells accounts for Anet which keeps the lights on
It sells accounts for Anet which keeps the lights on
Divine Slaya
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Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN
It's kinda funny how some of the playerbase can get more RPs from the XTH than the top8 of GvG guilds in an MAT.
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I don't understand what the initial purpose of the XTH was, but the entire concept was just retarded and makes no sense.
Snow Bunny
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I know, right? It's pretty cool that PvErs can sit around and benefit from the work of the PvPers.
I don't understand what the initial purpose of the XTH was, but the entire concept was just retarded and makes no sense. & XTH should be removed. If PvErs are so skilled, they can go and earn reward points like the PvPers do. If PvPers can't get chaos gloves and eotn armor, PvErs don't deserve free reward points. |
First, why should PvE'ers get to benefit off the work of PvPers?
And your second point is perfect as well. PvE'ers shouldn't get RPs if PvPers can't get chaos gloves. Want Zkeys? Go PvP for them, it's the same rationale the other way.
Zkeys should be customized. That's all really.
Lourens
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Oops i lol'd in my jeans, please GW is PvP. PvE is GW is retarded, its just like a single player online game not an mmorpg
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Now I can put my picks in earn a key open a chest and only seem to get a firewater to get drunk… what’s the problem?
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Why dont Anet makes an option to buy Ingame Gold in stores
Like 500p for $24,99 and 1000p for $44,99 and 2000p for $79,99
Ec]-[oMaN
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I <3 you.
First, why should PvE'ers get to benefit off the work of PvPers? And your second point is perfect as well. PvE'ers shouldn't get RPs if PvPers can't get chaos gloves. Want Zkeys? Go PvP for them, it's the same rationale the other way. Zkeys should be customized. That's all really. |
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by Divine Slaya
I know, right? It's pretty cool that PvErs can sit around and benefit from the work of the PvPers.
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Do PvP people not use the XTH? Seems to me that those in the know should clean up with their picks.
CE Devilman
ha ha ha hah......................
Why do people who know the least know it the loudest?
Odinius
IMO Guild Wars is running towards it's end.
I still like the game and XTH is filling my bank and provide my chars with elite armors and tormented weapons.
So let's just forget about economy en let everyone enjoy the final days of GW1 en get filthy rich.
I would even like Ursan to be reverted because it was a lot of fun!
But that's just me I guess...
Tolkano could be expanded to trading different stuff like a mini or elite Zaishen armor for tournament points but, updating the chest with new drops is fine too.
I still like the game and XTH is filling my bank and provide my chars with elite armors and tormented weapons.
So let's just forget about economy en let everyone enjoy the final days of GW1 en get filthy rich.
I would even like Ursan to be reverted because it was a lot of fun!
But that's just me I guess...
Tolkano could be expanded to trading different stuff like a mini or elite Zaishen armor for tournament points but, updating the chest with new drops is fine too.
Lourens
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IMO Guild Wars is running towards it's end.
I still like the game and XTH is filling my bank and provide my chars with elite armors and tormented weapons. So let's just forget about economy en let everyone enjoy the final days of GW1 en get filthy rich. I would even like Ursan to be reverted because it was a lot of fun! But that's just me I guess... Tolkano could be expanded to trading different stuff like a mini or elite Zaishen armor for tournament points but, updating the chest with new drops is fine too. |
Divine Slaya
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As I said earlier, because it is fun and that's what games are supposed to be.
Do PvP people not use the XTH? Seems to me that those in the know should clean up with their picks. |
Verene
Meh, the zkeys are funding me stocking up our guild hall and outfitting my characters with armor, so I'm not going to complain about it.
Also, 'incentives to PvP'...not everyone likes PvP or is interested in it at all.
Also, 'incentives to PvP'...not everyone likes PvP or is interested in it at all.
Ec]-[oMaN
Tolkano should now be unlocked for unlimited use with no RPs required for armor/weapons.
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Verene
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So why exactly do you deserve something meant to benefit PvPers again?
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Oh, that's right. I didn't.
Really, I don't care either way about it. A handful of keys every month is nice, but I could live without it.
I think the real problem is that people just completely exaggerate everything involving this. All of the complaints about people having multiple accounts for it...does anyone realize that that's really a tiny proportion of people playing the game that do that?
I'd wager that heavy-duty farming has messed with the GW economy more than zkeys have, really.
Yarly
Don't worry, soon zkeys will be so cheap people will be posting threads like this one to say the opposite to what they said here. Its a foregone conclusion.
Nanood
Mmm free stuff... <3 XTH
Rocky Raccoon
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I'm not against people having fun, I'm all for that. Unfortunately, when you have thousands of PvErs signing up multiple accounts and flooding the market with zkeys, you have to admit that it isn't helping the Guildwars economy.
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