Boycott the Storage Update!

NuclearSlug

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2009

Irontoe's Lair

[JAGG]

R/A

What sense does it make to pay $10 for extra storage when $20 will get me a whole new account, double my current storage, add mules, and even give me another account for XTH! Bah, a waste of $10 if you ask me.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Storage tab - 20 item slots - $10
Character slot - 45 item slots - $10

I know what I won't be buying.

Davros Uitar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Fool Wolves

W/Mo

/ Not Signed

The quote from Pluto does win the thread - grats.

The update isn't here yet and we have this out of place call for a boycott of a product that someone doesn't want to buy. Supply, demand, cost (server space) and return (cash flow) will determine whether this venture is a success. I am glad that we get a certain amount of free new content in this game. I don't demand that all new content should be free, and am more than happy enough for Anet to have a strategy and let market forces go to work.

KZaske

KZaske

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Boise Idaho

Druids Of Old (DOO)

R/Mo

/ Not signed. As for the OP's comments about not whining, isn't that what he/she/it is doing?
If you don't want to buy it, don't buy it.
I will be buying a few storage tabs for two different accounts. Besides; ANet needs recover the cost of update development and the increased server load. I am hoping they install a few new servers, it would help cut down the lag.

EPO Bot

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

This is all void for me since i don't have a VISA to use the store. Some other payment methods would be fine. I wanna try out the BMP.

rohara

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos View Post
Storage tab - 20 item slots - $10
Character slot - 45 item slots - $10

I know what I won't be buying.
^^ this

the price is just really wrong for the storage tabs. $10 for a few extra kilobytes of disk space is a ripoff. you can buy a 500gig hard drive for about $50 - about $10 per GIGAbyte. i realize there is a level of service/convenience being added, but i'm having a hard time justifying the cost as a hardware nerd AND as an avid GW fan.

i've already shelled out $30 each for proph, nf, and nightfall, another $50 for factions collector's edition, $40 on extra character slots, $5 on game of the year upgrade, $5 for the eotn preview, $10 for the bonus mission pack, and another $25 or so on eotn itself. my main account is sporting over $200 worth of software and addons. i also have 2 alt PvP accounts and 6 prophecies only accounts. i feel as though i've paid my dues tbh, and i don't feel like blowing anymore money on GW until GW2.

so asking for another $40 (or $30, depending on the free one) to solve my storage problems which have existed since the game's inception is a bit annoying. i've already purchased 4 additional character slots (mules) to try and curb the problem. why pay $10 for less than half the storage you could get with a new character slot? sure, it is more convenient because it goes into your xunlai box, but it's still technically a ripoff. i won't purchase these storage upgrades unless the price is dramatically readjusted.

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Davros Uitar View Post
/ Not Signed

The quote from Pluto does win the thread - grats.

The update isn't here yet and we have this out of place call for a boycott of a product that someone doesn't want to buy. Supply, demand, cost (server space) and return (cash flow) will determine whether this venture is a success. I am glad that we get a certain amount of free new content in this game. I don't demand that all new content should be free, and am more than happy enough for Anet to have a strategy and let market forces go to work.
1) Storage Tabs are new content now?

2) Nor do I, but it'd be nice if the content they were expecting to get paid for was a) worthwhile and b) something the community has wanted for ages. Like a mods trader and stackable runes/mods. Now that, I'd pay for. Hell, I'd have paid $10 for another BMP or to make the BMP weapons available with mods already on.

Typically for Anet, they've looked to address an issue the community has complained about, then just taken an absolute blunt force approach with zero thought about solving the cause of the issue in the first place.

Taldur

Taldur

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2009

UK

R/E

Will these item panes be available to our guild wars 2 characters, as we are getting closer to the release. So i am not paying $10 for a storage update that will probably not be used as much on the final release.

Wrath of m0o

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

I dont know who would pay $10 for a storage slot when you could pay $10 and have another character slot..and have even more storage.

/Fail

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by rohara View Post
you can buy a 500gig hard drive for about $50 - about $10 per GIGAbyte. i realize there is a level of service/convenience being added
If you make this comparison with a HDD, you clearly don't "realize". Data is replicated on many servers worldwide, not only for accessibility, but also for reliability. And server-side, you pay for storage and bandwidth, because data has to move very fast when thousands of people access it at the same time.

Furthermore, the $10 do not only buy you 20more storage slots, it's the convenience of having them in the Xunlai Storage, which doesn't require you to swap chars(+use a temporary Xunlai Storage tab for the swap) or accounts (not everyone can run GWx2).

LifesRestorer

LifesRestorer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

London, England

Mo/

$10 = New character slot --> 45 slots
$10 = New storage tab --> 20 slots

This isn't about not being able to afford it, or not wanting it. It's about a personal sense of worth. We all have $10 and can afford to pay for a storage tab, but is paying more than DOUBLE the price of what alternative storage slots are worth in the form of new characters really worth the convenience?


Watch this video from 5:15. I couldn't have summed it up better myself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb8rdc-0OpQ

vodka

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

No need for a boycott.
Anet needs money? Fine. I will come back to the game and am going to buy another character slot this summer, even if I don't need it, since I will have more time to play.

The storage tabs for 10$?
I would find them useful, but the price tag is too high.
When (IF) they consider lowering it, I might be tempted to buy all 4 purchasable additional tabs. At the current proposed price not even a single one.

Also, the FREE pane will be tied to a special offer, read carefully, tied to a special offer. I think people will have to spend money on something to get it, don't delude yourself believing it will be handed to you just as you log in.
Many people posting here is jumping at and pointing the word "FREE", but completely skipping things like "limited-time offer" and "upcoming promotion.
I see more disappointment coming from this.

It is great ANet adds optional upgrades to buy in the store, if they are wrong with the price, the market will tell them, there's absolutely no need for a boycott.

I will not buy it because I think it is overpriced, and I personally don't know anyone who will do.
I will buy a char slot instead, just to give my support.

I just hope that ANet's economic staff made good calculation on the expected revenue.

For the poll, we see that 25% of the voters are willing to pay the price, with the clause "if I need it". We can't know how many will actually BUY the panes because they already need them.
Also keep in mind that this 25% isn't representative like the 25% of GW's population, but just of the more active and passionate game fans (which usually are more willing to spend their money on each single upgrade than the average Joe who plays the game).

Mr.Kotte

Mr.Kotte

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/

So, you can get 20 new storage slots for $9.99, or how about a whole new account which provides 200 slots and costs $10. Hmm....

English Warrior

English Warrior

LEET HAXXOR!

Join Date: Feb 2007

Random Arena

N/A

/Signed. I feel let down that players are being charged for the the storage update. Therefore I am boycotting the buying of the extra storage.
-IGN: English Warrior X

Earth

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

I don't give a shit.

It's all optional, whether you buy character slots or storage slots, ANet won't care. It's still their $10. I don't see why people are throwing such tantrums over something so little and insignificant.

It's not like you're ENTITLED to more storage, or FORCED to buy more storage. Stop crying.

English Warrior

English Warrior

LEET HAXXOR!

Join Date: Feb 2007

Random Arena

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by RED ENGINE GO View Post
/notsigned
This thread fails. Quit whining and get a job.

Also, it's "couldn't care less", Einstein.
Some of us arent old enough to get jobs were we live and i am one of those people, and my parents wont pay $40 for something i have already payed for

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Why would anybody pay $10 for an extra tab? I would hope people would just buy another character that offers considerably more space for the same cost.

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken View Post
Why would anybody pay $10 for an extra tab? I would hope people would just buy another character that offers considerably more space for the same cost.
For the convenience of not having to swap chars or GWx2 accounts.

BrettM

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by LifesRestorer View Post
This isn't about not being able to afford it, or not wanting it. It's about a personal sense of worth. We all have $10 and can afford to pay for a storage tab, but is paying more than DOUBLE the price of what alternative storage slots are worth in the form of new characters really worth the convenience?
As you already noted, that is a personal decision. We are all free to decide for ourselves whether the convenience is worth it to us. Anyone calling for a boycott because the convenience is not worth it to them is trying to deprive everyone else of making their own choice.

Fril Estelin has already pointed out that the convenience costs ANet more than just a little disk space. There is another aspect to that as well. Xunlai Storage has to be available whenever any character on the account is in play. The 45 slots on a mule only need to take up RAM and bandwidth when the mule is in play, replacing the 45 slots on whichever character was in play before that. So buying another mule character creates a net additional load of about zero for the account, since it will only be in play when other characters are not. Buying a Xunlai pane will increase the server load for the account at all times.

tl:dr version: A Xunlai storage slot costs ANet more than the same number of slots on a character, so why is it unreasonable that they should charge more for them on a per-slot basis?

/notsigned

Drauss

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

Perth, Australia

Show Me Your Hard Mode

Rt/

/not signed

Arenanet is a business like every other business. They aren't charging you a monthly fee and any purchase is optional. They aren't in business to be your friend, they are in business to make money.

I will be buying multiple tabs for my account. I support Arenanet because I want the updates to continue and understand that development costs money and this is a way to raise capital for replacing machines and bandwidth. It ensures the standard of content is kept at a high quality.

You all want to play and none of you want to pay... Shame on you all... The person that pays the least complains the loudest I guess.

Holly Herro

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Kangaroo-land.

Blades of the Dingo [AUST]

/halfsigned

There's the option to buy it, but I think 10 is a bit much.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

You know, all this talk about 45 slots vs. 20, the number of slots a character can hold is going to increase a little after this update too, right?

Last I checked, the new armor/weapon bag that we get to use was going to have five to twenty extra slots for holding things. Assuming we don't have to hold customized items from that character, that boosts the number of slots on a character to 45 unspecific spaces + 20 weapons or armor pieces, and also a weapon and offhand in the carrying slots that everyone is leaving out.

The total of slots that a character can have post update will be more like 67 than 45.

Empress Amarox

Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Above you.

Mo/W

"Convenience" is a stupid excuse already. That's like.. You can go to x and buy y for $n, or you can stay home, pay double, and only get one third of y instead."

Snograt

Snograt

rattus rattus

Join Date: Jan 2006

London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST

[GURU]GW [wiki]GW2

R/

I'm one of the minority voting for "I'd pay $5 or $10 - I don't care which".

Extra storage has been #1 on the frequently wished list since inception. Time after time there have been people saying "I'd happily pay for extra storage" - well, here you go. Ante up, ingrates

therangereminem

therangereminem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/Mo

/signed

put it this way for 10 bucks youcan geta extra toon slot which holds more then double what a tab does it doesnt make sence, yes i dont mind paying for it but 10 bucks for 20 slots is way to much buying a extra toon slot would be way better . they should make tabs hold 50 items for the extra tabs and the ones we get free should be 20 spaces. i would then pay 10 bucks per tab.

if they only have 10 spaces 5 dollars would be fine by me

and one more thing there giving toons a extra bag so its not 45 for a toon it will be 65

Lonesamurai

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snograt View Post

Extra storage has been #1 on the frequently wished list since inception. Time after time there have been people saying "I'd happily pay for extra storage" - well, here you go. Ante up, ingrates
/seconded

we ASKED for this and when we finally get it? you bitch and moan?

typical Guild Wars community

Empress Amarox

Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Above you.

Mo/W

You know, I was thinking... Maybe they're just going to see how much money they can get from their ignorantly loyal fans - you know, the ones that will purchase the storage panes regardless of the price being ridiculous. Then, after they can't sell anymore, then they'll lower the cost and of course not refund the ignorantly loyal fans.

That way, they take into consideration that some people will be loyal to a level of stupidity that defies all reason, and maximize profits off of them before coming down to reality and putting the price at a reasonable level.

But, before they lower the price, they'll probably have that promotion where you buy something and you get one tab "FREE;" of course, I don't know the amount of stuff they'd want us to buy.. If they had it set at one tab, perhaps they'd get the crowd that wanted $5 tabs. But, if they were going to lower the price to $5 anyway, then that doesn't make sense, so maybe it's 2 purchases instead. Or maybe, maybe they aren't going to lower the price at all, and just want to milk the second group of people that aren't ignorantly loyal but are willing to pay $5 for a storage pane rather than $10. That way, with their "promotion" they get $10 from them too.

Hm.. I'll have to work on that "evil bloodsucking vampire" approach. Looking rather promising so far though...

*shrug* By all means though, be ignorantly loyal and give them your money. I'll continue to ponder on what their scheme is...

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonesamurai View Post
you bitch and moan?

typical Guild Wars community
You mean "typical Guru". We'll see if the "GW community" feels the same when/if they buy the add-ons.

Xanatas

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Holland

Ave

/signed

1.) Because of "Hell no!". The box sais "Online Gaming with no fees" thats the game i bought, this may actualy be illegal here in Holland.
2.) In Holland, we dont use Creditcards like happens in the US. Only a small portion of users here can make use of the on-line shop.

So, they basicaly charging for something we can not buy.
Pulling the trigger of a gun while pointing it at your feet isnt smart.

Rocky Raccoon

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
More food for thought for those who think the price is fine:

Think how much have you already spent on GW, and how much bang for your buck have you got. How are the new $10 panes looking now???

If you fail to see a problem here, you may have serious trouble irl - thousands of absolutely horrible deals are everywheree. Being ablle to quickly spot and avoid them helps alot.
I did just what you said and I figure that my cost/days played = $.15 per day.
Tell me where the problem is?

EDIT: Cable TV $3.00 a day
DSL $1.25 a day
Phone $2.00 a day

glacialphoenix

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

Quote:

1.) Because of "Hell no!". The box sais "Online Gaming with no fees" thats the game i bought, this may actualy be illegal here in Holland.
And... there are still no fees. They're not asking you to pay for the full update. They're charging for an optional extra. It's like buying character slots - or is that illegal too?

Waldir

Waldir

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

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Mo/Me

/Not Signed, they gotta get paid somehow

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Empress Amarox View Post
*shrug* By all means though, be ignorantly loyal and give them your money. I'll continue to ponder on what their scheme is...
So anyone who buys storage is "ignorantly loyal". Hilarious, in a pathetic kind of way.

I'll buy storage. I've always been willing to pay for it, and now it's here: I certainly will.

I could buy character slots instead but I won't. Because I want the luxury and convenience of stuff on hand, without changing characters. And I'm prepared to pay for that luxury and convenience. I don't care if it's the highest number of slots per dollar or not.

Boycott? To shave a dollar or two off the price? Pfft, no way. Just gimme the storage already.

/NOT SIGNED

Shuuda

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

Me/

Shouldn't the last option in this poll be: "I couldn't care less..."

/pollfail?

englitdaudelin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

East Coast

Soldier's Union [SU]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tadzio View Post
I've got 10 chars
Each char will get eq box which consists of 5-20 slots
I'll also get one storage tab for free
In summary, i'll get 10*20+20 = 220 slots. For free.
QQ moar ?

/notsigned. I'm with this post. I'll be watching the website for how to get the free storage pane during the "promotion." I'm betting a multi-campaign xunlai quest.

And the equipment bags alone, for each character, will dramatically alter the storage situation. Just getting weps and armors out of storage and off of mules improves my ability to store things and to play the games.

On a side note...I still need a library for all these damn handbooks and tomes.

cthulhu reborn

cthulhu reborn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

the Netherlands

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xanatas View Post
/signed

1.) Because of "Hell no!". The box sais "Online Gaming with no fees" thats the game i bought, this may actualy be illegal here in Holland.
2.) In Holland, we dont use Creditcards like happens in the US. Only a small portion of users here can make use of the on-line shop.

So, they basicaly charging for something we can not buy.
Pulling the trigger of a gun while pointing it at your feet isnt smart.
/not signed. It's an option you don't need to play the game just like character slots and with the equipment packs which we are getting for free we are all getting something extra anyway.

It costs Anet money anyway to store all our stuff on their servers and maintain it so it's only fair that we pay extra for something that is an addition that is not needed to play the game.

Just to rectify the person who I quoted:
In the Netherlands it is not harder to get a credit card as long as you're over 18. I got one for free with my student account, just to give you an example.

The idea that charging people for storage would be illegal is also completely absurd. The game has no monthly fees and still doesn't.

If you are upset about it cause you want everything for free, well, that's fair enough but please don't try to reinforce it with incorrect statements.

thelessa

thelessa

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

Purple Puzycats

R/Mo

/not signed

I love NOT having to search mules for that I know is somewhere on one of them, if can get to faster/easier, I am willing to pay for it.

Doesn't mean I have to buy all the tabs either, just what is needed.

Also means that I will get my slots back to make another char. or use the one already made.

Catchphrase

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

Free additional storage panes (exc. the free inventory bags and pane) costs additional sums of money and resources for them to maintain. Although I am very stingy with my cash and not planning to purchase it, I still see this as a fair trade.

/unsigned

Helene Rosco

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

[GoP]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snograt View Post
*snipped*

Extra storage has been #1 on the frequently wished list since inception. Time after time there have been people saying "I'd happily pay for extra storage" - well, here you go. Ante up, ingrates
Word. I'm don't actually get why anyone thought that the extra storage was going to be free, I don't know how many times I've seen people suggest that A-Net offer extra storage in the online store. I don't plan to buy any because I think $10 is too much for 20 storage slots in the bank, but I don't begrudge A-Net giving people the option to do so if they wish.

I'm happy they're giving us an extra slot for an equipment pack, even if I have to spend my "hard earned" in-game gold to actually buy the pack. I can't imagine it's going to cost 100k + 50 ectos. If the equipment pack has 20 slots I can clear up an entire pane in my bank just putting my main's armor and weapons in her equipment pack. The character's who don't have masses of crap to haul around can hold the weaps that I haven't decided what to do with yet. Now I'll have lots of room in the bank to hold all my holiday booze/sweet collectibles. So consider me satisfied with the storage update. :P

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

Quote:
Free additional storage panes (exc. the free inventory bags and pane) costs additional sums of money and resources for them to maintain.
Hard drives are cheap and storing ints doesn't take much space. This is about ANET wanting to make money, not needing it to cover costs. Which is fine by me, but I'm not paying $10 for a tiny upgrade I needed three years ago.

If ANET thinks that's the best price point, though, more power to 'em.