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Gforce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Isle Of Solitude

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]/[DoDo]

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14 Apr 2009 at 08:05 - 1

On 2 April anet released their naming policy on the website. They said they have been using this before aswell, but that it is now more clear to everyone. A dangerous part of this policy is this:

Quote:

Names restricted by this policy will generally be subject to these restrictions, no matter whether the names are inappropriate in English or any other language.

Because there is no way you can know offensive words in other languages.

My guild, Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa], got banned because the word 'suka' means bitch in polish. Noone in my guild is from eastern europe, so none of us had a clue it was bannable. When I used google translate to translate SuKa from polish to dutch, the meaning I got was "vrouwelijk" which means female.

We are upset that our guild got banned. Over the two weeks we had this guild we played about 300 gvgs (this is a lot) as our goal was to get into the top 20 of amount of victories. Because we got banned, all we can do is reform the guild and start over again, because anet will probably not unban us.

I think that Anet needs to change this policy. In this case it is obvious that SuKa was used as an abbreviation because SKAT (look it up if you dont know it) was not allowed. This rule is not one that only matters to us, lots of guild tags could be offensive to someone by this rule, and there is no way you can know before you actually get banned.

I understand that polish people feel offended by our name, yet there is nothing I can do to prevent this, because I did not know. In order to prevent these kind of situations where a guild gets banned without expecting it and having to start over again, Anet should allow us to either change our tag, or expand the word filter so we would not have made the name in the first place.

What is your opinion on this?

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

14 Apr 2009 at 08:19 - 2

IMHO, expansion of the word filter is highly unlikey considering the amount of languages GW population speaks.

If it were up to me, I'd give you guys 24 hours to change the tag. Destroying such an effort by a group of people just because someone "feels" offended by your tag is, pardon my French, retarded. Besides, I really doubt the Polish spell "suka" as "SuKa". Therefore, the "offense" must have been taken by pronouncing "suka". Following that logic, Croatians could ask the NPC ancient hero Kitah to be banned because "kita" means "d i c k" in Croatian.

Obviously we Croatians have a sense of humor however immature it may be.

batno_mercy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Myth

E/

14 Apr 2009 at 08:40 - 3

Seriously, sometimes I wonder whether it is truly intelligent people sitting on the other side of the customer service line.

What I personally think is that ANet should ban itself. There has been an NPC in Kaineng called Akane (http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Akane), which means the process of emitting excrements in bulgarian and other slavish languages.

On topic: Are you sure that you can't appeal in any way by proving that the name is not offensive or not intentionally offensive, they should be able to give you a chance of having another tag if you actually use that customer support button over there.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

14 Apr 2009 at 08:41 - 4

(in Czech, 'suka' is also verb in present tense, meaning 'is having intercourse'. Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa] is very ... hmm ... rude. Funny thou, because it almost looks like pun related to one czech internet mene)

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

[bomb]

14 Apr 2009 at 08:42 - 5

I fully agree with you. Actually in your case it is even worse cause in Polish this word means several things: a female dog - most common use, police transport car (slang), bitch (slang) and probably more I do not know. The issue is that the latter two are probably not included in most dictionaries and they are for sure far from the common use of the word. I think ANET goes a bit too far since people even if they would be checking every name in the dictionaries will not find anything offensive for most of the words and later they can still get banned.
My message to the people reporting such cases: some words are bad only if they are used in a specific context and the example above is far from it.... (not mentioning the spelling)

Dae GW

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

The Netherlands, Noord Holland, Amstelveen

Mo/

14 Apr 2009 at 09:00 - 6

Me with my friends were starting a guild to do some more serious ha/gvg. We wanted the name 'Beaver Formation [Bf]'. We weren't allowed to do that because it could mean vagina. Every person who mentally disturbed knows we don't mean a couple of vagina's in formation

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Ridiculous...

Jecht Scye

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Lucky Crickets[Luck]

N/Me

14 Apr 2009 at 09:19 - 7

I fully agree with the OP, and have expressed that sentiment in the thread that was created earlier regarding naming policy. Anet should have just done nothing to regulate names if they wanted to go to one extreme, or just let the naming filter catch the names. It isn't fair to people like the OP.

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

14 Apr 2009 at 10:18 - 8

Not to mention the favourite ss/lb farming boss caleld Dupek...

LifesRestorer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

London, England

Mo/

14 Apr 2009 at 10:29 - 9

the DoDo ban was much worse imo... yeah this new filter thingy is bullshit, and the fact that they fully ban guilds is even dumber

subarucar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

New Zealand

None

14 Apr 2009 at 10:46 - 10

They need to make it change names/tags within 72 hours. If their making that much of a fuss over some of the guild names, perhaps as other have mentioned, NPC's should get renamed aswell.

Zabe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In world with nothing to do except poker

W/Rt

14 Apr 2009 at 10:57 - 11

This just shows how complete joke Arena.Net as company is.

kedde

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Kaons Banned Fecal Super Team [Ban]

Mo/A

14 Apr 2009 at 11:05 - 12

Requiring people to crosscheck every possible meaning and/or hidden intentions behind every part of the name/tag in every language, including slang for symbols, sayings, words, interpretations, religious references etc. is simply put, utterly ridiculous.

As already pointed out in this thread as well, Anet made the same mistake in naming a warrior boss Dupek.
Or what about Boulad The Perverse?

Pat Acid

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

Super Kaon Action Team[SuKa]

W/A

14 Apr 2009 at 11:10 - 13

I agree that Anet can not have the knowledge if our guild tag is offensive at will or not. But in order to filter those mistakes out they shud give whatever guild that would be banned the oppertunity to switch name/tag so that all your spent time ingame isnt lost instantly. And i mean just like said before Suka means in our 1st language: Female , Female Dog which i cud only see offensive when your a male dog and playing GW :P .

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 11:37 - 14

So yeah, we got banned a second time. This time for an even smaller thing.

Main problem is:

You'll never get banned untill someone reports you as something "offensive".
Sadly enough, once someone does that, even the smallest of reasons is enough to get a guild banned. And usually, they just report because they dislike the guild, not because they feel so immensly insulted.

The problem isn't the policy, it's the way it is implented at this moment. If you ban guilds straight away after a report, and consider that a final action, you're just screwing over those guilds.

I'm sorry, but if "SuKa" is bannable, they should have banned guilds like "Seppo Hovi Action Team [pre][Shat][/pre]" aswell, and many many others.

Shadow of Cantha

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Come Over And Fix My Mic (kthx)

E/

14 Apr 2009 at 11:38 - 15

Chances are the people at Anet had no clue that suka meant bitch in any language .... at least not before some team you beat at GvG knew what it meant and reported the name to get revenge ... just a thought

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

14 Apr 2009 at 11:42 - 16

I think that at this point, any name is a bannable offense with the rate that ANet is going at. They need to stop pandering to little kids and people who get butthurt by one name out of thousands.

There's a point where a name goes from just a name to something that's meant to be offensive. When two people see it from different sides, it seems ANet can't think for themselves about it and go for the ban stick.

Xanthe Dashka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

14 Apr 2009 at 12:06 - 17

Arena.Net Fails once more.

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

14 Apr 2009 at 12:38 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massive Impulsa

this is the 2nd time in a row you guys banned x)

Endangered Feces [DoDo]
Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]

So was it innocent? Furthermore the OP has this:

Quote:

got banned because the word 'suka' means bitch in polish

How did you learn that? Do you get that amount of details when you get banned? (I have no idea what happens when a whole guild gets banned)

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 12:41 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

How did you learn that? Do you get that amount of details when you get banned? (I have no idea what happens when a whole guild gets banned)

Because the guy that reported us was so kind to post on QQ forums how awesome he was that he got us banned.

I quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banned 4 Ever [Kaon]

The guild: http://www.guildwars.com/competitive/ladder/show_guild.php?guid={15392F06-E63A-473A-BCD4-727E0BA0E810}&lang=en

Has the tag [SuKa]

In Polish "Suka" means "Bitch"

http://translate.google.com/translate_t#pl|en|SuKa

This is the secound time they have came upp with an offensive guild name. I feel this is really discriminating and should be taken care of.

Theire past guild which got banned for offensive name.

Endangered Feces [DoDo]

And now again they are breaking the rules.

Hope this will be taken care of once and for all seeing as this is theire 2nd violation.

Subject
Offensive guildname.
Response (GM ApplePython)

Hello,

The guild name was censored due to the inappropriate tag name. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Regards,
GM ApplePython
The Guild Wars Support Team

Yes i jizzed in my pants.

Notice he even made a new account with matching name to post this.
Also note the primary meaning of Suka is "female", if we can believe google.

Gforce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Isle Of Solitude

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]/[DoDo]

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 13:41 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

How did you learn that? Do you get that amount of details when you get banned? (I have no idea what happens when a whole guild gets banned)

We knew it so fast because someone posted it on QQ forums (see above post).

Usually the only way to find out is sending a report ticket though.

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 13:44 - 21

"Hilarious" fact: I asked one of the forum mods to crossreference IPs, and the account that posted that ticket belonged to someone that tried out for our guild, but was eventually refused because he didn't live up to expectations.

That'll teach us to give people a chance ...

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

14 Apr 2009 at 13:53 - 22

*sigh* there should be an option that allows u to change it if u unintentionally made something offensive. however, i don't think there is such a mechanic for this atm is there? only renames of characters atm.

Zabe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In world with nothing to do except poker

W/Rt

14 Apr 2009 at 13:58 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

*sigh* there should be an option that allows u to change it if u unintentionally made something offensive. however, i don't think there is such a mechanic for this atm is there? only renames of characters atm.

ANet is fully able to change your tag and im pretty sure they are able to change full guild names also.

The tag change to [ban] isnt automatical, it comes rather late compared to actual ban.

If ANet would really be co-operative at this matter they would just say; make an non offensive tag and we will change it.

But you know they never wan't to listen their customers on these kind of matters.

Xanthe Dashka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

14 Apr 2009 at 14:05 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotteN

"Hilarious" fact: I asked one of the forum mods to crossreference IPs, and the account that posted that ticket belonged to someone that tried out for our guild, but was eventually refused because he didn't live up to expectations.

That'll teach us to give people a chance ...

Maybe Anet should track down those who report people and see if they don't do it for revenge. I can't believe they ban a guild because 1 single person writes a report. When the opinion of a single person can cause this trouble... EPIC.

When I look at the ladder and observermode, I see many names that offend me with some imagination. For example, why are tags like [SuX] and [nuts] around? So, Random Euro Trash is allowed?

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

14 Apr 2009 at 14:06 - 25

Anet is becoming waaaaaaaay too pc, in my opinion. I tried to name a pet Anklebiter in honor of one I'd had three years ago on a 'toon who retired, but the word "bite" in any form is no longer allowed.

Now we're expected to know every possible translation of an acronym in any given language? Pbfft. Most Americans barely speak English anymore!

Gforce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Isle Of Solitude

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]/[DoDo]

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 14:13 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanthe Dashka

Maybe Anet should track down those who report people and see if they don't do it for revenge. I can't believe they ban a guild because 1 single person writes a report. When the opinion of a single person can cause this trouble... EPIC.

They do, it requires 1 person who is offended to write a support ticket and then you get banned, provided that 1 person can give a good reason.

As I said before, I regret having an offensive name but it's very hard to prevent having an offensive tag if you want something that is actually pronouncable (Id rather not have a tag like [dfgf] or something..), since there are so many languages.

Kaon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Super Kaon Action Team [Ban]

14 Apr 2009 at 14:19 - 27

Hey massive, if you're reading this:

Go to a doctor, get yourself checked. If someone gives you a chance to make it big in guild wars you should thank them. You failed and that's your own fault. I didn't even yell at you (more than anyone else) so the only reason you're acting like this is because you're crazy.

If you fail school are you going to blast your teachers away because they gave you the opportunity to do exams? I certainly hope not.

deluxe

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Monkeyball Z

S.K.A.T. [Ban]

Mo/

14 Apr 2009 at 14:26 - 28

Outrageous! Ban massive from GW, QQ and guru imo!

MrTickle

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

delete this account

N/

14 Apr 2009 at 14:28 - 29

/rant
Anet are stupid to leave the banstick in the hands of complete idiots. I'm 99% sure they ban on request of one idiot without bothering to check UNLESS the banned person/guild places a ticket to plead their case.

This is NOT fair and they should change their policy. At the end of the day it's a NAME in a GAME with don't forget... an AGE LIMIT. So what if someone has an immature name or if an english word has a different meaning in another language it doesn't bother me, It's none of my business.

Sword Hammer Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Look up.

Kurzick Conflagration Unit [KCU].

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 14:29 - 30

Suka is also a slang way of writing the work sucker. But I do agree with you that knowing foreign words is kind of tough. They should make a list of words and names in any language that you may not use. Otherwise it is unfair.

Sword Hammer Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Look up.

Kurzick Conflagration Unit [KCU].

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 14:32 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by FalconDance

the word "bite" in any form is no longer allowed.

In that case let's banish this guy:

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Frostbite

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 14:33 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword Hammer Axe

Suka is also a slang way of writing the work sucker.

I'm pretty sure you should allow [SuKa] in that "meaning" if you allow [pre][Sux] or [Shat][/pre]

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

14 Apr 2009 at 15:07 - 33

Basically this is a complete joke, I get that people can make mistakes including NCSoft's support team, but this is dumb. These guys had no clue Suka meant a bad word in another language first off, second off a multitude of words can mean bad things in other languages.

Let's say you like Sega (Genesis, Dreamcast, etc) and want to name a guild after them. Guess what you could be reported because Sega is an Irish (Might be Italian, I forgot which one) word for masturbate. There are tons of words that mean bad stuff in other languages because of how languages are formed. Hell, even suka in itself isn't a bad word in certain languages, as someone on QQ pointed out it means "like" in the Malay language.

Suka is obviously an abbreviation of their guild name, Super Kaon Action Team, it is a play on the other well known guild Seppo Hovi Action Team {SHAT}. Shat could be construed as a bodily function that is currently against the ArenaNet naming policy.

Honestly, being strict is one thing, I get why some offensive names have to be banned, but this guild tag is clearly just an abbreviation of their guild name and was the result of someone's insane vendetta against their guild. When it comes to languages, you have to draw the line somewhere because too many words can mean too many bad things.

If you're going to ban these guys, please ban these guilds too:

Die Keller Kindler [KK] - Keller is a slang term for having intercourse with an underage girl who later regrets it for repercussions it had, clearly linked to pedophilia.

Battery Powered Best Friend [vibe] - Was once banned, but this is clearly insinuating innuendo that causes certain bodily functions to occur.

Go Deep [yeye] - Clearly related to going deep inside a woman, can't have that.

Dnasuoht Enin Revo [ooob] - Revo is slang for a male self pleasure technique.

Harmful I F Swallowed [pE] - Bodily functions.

That was just the top 300 in a quick glance, probably a lot more.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

14 Apr 2009 at 15:16 - 34

Leave it to one whiner to ruin all my polish toon names...

If I see someone with a name in GW that looks odd, I pay absolutely no attention to it and move on. Who rushes to Google translator to check if it is some swear word in another language.

At some point this he/she(called IT from this point on) tries out for the guild and while doing so is let in on the inside joke of their tag and out of spite reports them to ANET for a violation when he does not cut it - F%#@$%g Lame. IT should be banned for being a pussy and abusing the system.

How in the hell can IT feel discriminated against if someone else calls their guild Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa], IT should have been asked how this discriminates against ITself. How is this directed at that IT specifically?

What group does IT belong to that if a guild refers to itself as a bitch in polish this causes IT to be discriminated against.

For this discrimination to even remotely occur IT has to be a female or perhaps a gay male. Even if this is the case it still has to be directed at them in some way. When I call myself polish bekart(bastard) does this discriminate against all other polish people?

This is a clear case of abuse of the reporting system specifically to hurt that guild. That guild should submit a support ticket to ANET showing IT's obvious intention to punish the guild and the obvious abuse of the reporting system to get them banned. Copy any posts that IT made and include them in the ticket.

Shame on NCSOFT/ANET if they do not ban this person after being provided proof that this ticket was submitted specifically to cause grief to this guild.

For the record being polish. If you called me a suka I would laugh since you would be using that term incorrectly. Bekart would be correct. Even then I am actually 50% polish and 50% italian thus making me a powop. So I really only have a 50% chance at being offended.

Stuart444

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alexandria, Scotland

The Charter Vanguard [CV]

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 15:24 - 35

You know, instead of talking about this on a forum, you could probably..I don't know...Send a report ticket about it and say why you don't feel that the guild should have been banned for it. Or even post on Galies talk page and see what she says.

whining about it on here does nothing really.

...and if that doesn't work, you can always keep an eye out for things that might be offensive and keep reporting to see how many of them get banned :P

edit: just to clarify, I do agree it's stupid that the guild got banned instead of being asked to change their tag, but again you can't really do much about it by posting here. Better to mention it to Galie/talk about it to the support team and argue your case

Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Above you.

Mo/W

14 Apr 2009 at 15:27 - 36

Heyyy, now that you mention it...

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_561548090/seppo.html
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shat
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shat?qsrc=2888

Code:

sep·po [ séppō ] (plural sep·pos)
noun 
Definition:
 
Australia an offensive term for a citizen of the United States

Code:

shat        (shāt)   
v.   Vulgar Slang
A past tense and a past participle of shit.

/inbeforeban?

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

14 Apr 2009 at 15:27 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart444

You know, instead of talking about this on a forum, you could probably..I don't know...Send a report ticket about it and say why you don't feel that the guild should have been banned for it. Or even post on Galies talk page and see what she says.

They can't unban guilds (even though they magically did for vibe, go figure) apparently, so talking to support won't do anything.

Quote:

whining about it on here does nothing really.

I think the intent is that Regina will notice quite a few people think this is dumb and maybe get them to rethink their support situation.

Quote:

...and if that doesn't work, you can always keep an eye out for things that might be offensive and keep reporting to see how many of them get banned :P

A guy on QQ mentioned doing this, I wouldn't be surprised if he does. If one guy can get a guild (that's 8+ people) getting ready for a mAT banned for a guild tag that is clearly just an abbreviation of their name and the word it stands for is some cuss word in ANOTHER language, then who knows what any random guy could do. Hell, I'm pretty sure you could probably find a way to get rawr banned if you were smart about it.

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

14 Apr 2009 at 15:33 - 38

You have a point Stuart444, but remember...this is a forum for discussion, and even tho 'someone' dug thru every possible language filter to find a reason to ban the OP guild....ANet actually took 1 persons 'compaint'.. and banned a whole guild for it.
k ANet...your rules.
I found this on Google:

ZoS be careful......

An actual book here.
I find any direction to this name offensive.
'the Zos Kia Cultus' :
The Book of Pleasure, in which he (the writer) used art and sex to explore the subconscious mind.
tsk.tsk.
What have you done ANet.

fb2000

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

14 Apr 2009 at 15:34 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Die Keller Kindler [KK] - Keller is a slang term for having intercourse with an underage girl who later regrets it for repercussions it had, clearly linked to pedophilia.

Dunno, the second I read it I just translated it myself as the simple german phrase Kellerkind which is often used to describe a gamer that doesnt see the light of the sun very often

. The "Die" also fits in as the thing is in plural..

If you start searching, I'm quite sure every word has a vulgar meaning to it... It will never end really.

kedde

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Kaons Banned Fecal Super Team [Ban]

Mo/A

14 Apr 2009 at 15:34 - 40

Well, obvious rawr extended edition is a reference to the teenage thoughts of sexual intercourse, rising is an erection and extended edition obviously means havhing had an enlargement surgery.

Using that as reasoning and being stubborn enough combined with good wording could quite possibly get their secondary guild banned.

Also, shitters banned me from GWO for "circumventing moderation".
I have no idea what that means, but I succeeded in spawning a large discussion of over 10 pages before it happened.
Still at a loss as to why the ban was enforced though.