Why are we, the playerbase, not allowed to play the game the way we want? Why are we not allowed to have fun on our way? Why?
/roll was removed from pvp because in hero battles, players used it to decide the outcome of matches and farm the title quickly. How is this bad? If they have fun this way, why not let them be? I do not understand this fascistical reaction from ArenaNet. If people have fun playing the game a certain way and it doesn't hurt anybody, why should it be removed? Unimaginable.
Most importantly. This fix extends far beyond the solution of the actual problem. If you consider rolling in HvH a problem, then solve the problem, do not RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO over all the other pvp modes. Why are we not allowed to roll in gvg, tomz, ab, ra, or ta? Rolling has never had a negative impact on these playstyles. Why should it be banned?
I have had lots of fun rolling randomly in AB or GvG, just to kill time while waiting, or to do funny games. "ROLL FOR BIGGEST PENIS!" Fun. Every time I win HoH everyone gets these random items noone needs. We always casino roll for them. None of this is possible anymore.
This isn't really that big of a deal. I do think it's yet another perfect example of Anet not really having a clue what's going on and fixing the problem overdramatically causing much more harm than good. Something that has been happening in PvP since... forever. Also I hate it when a liberty of mine is taken away for no good reason whatsoever.
I payed 180euros for this game. I want to play it my way. As long as I don't spoil the fun for anyone else, why am I not allowed to do this?
admin request:
I see a LOT of spam in this topic. A large amount of posts does not reply to my arguments. It would be nice if they could be cleaned up so this thread doesn't instantly turn into a clogged up mess.
/roll, another liberty taken away from the player
Kaon
pigdestroyer
yeah it was fun to /roll after winning hoh for the zkeys
bywa
play rock, paper, scissors at least it you will have to make some steps to see who won
makosi
I hear 'red resigns' is the new HB rules. If you spawn as the red team, you have to /resign. Simple.
Another genius idea from the devs!
Another genius idea from the devs!
Sarevok Thordin
Excuse the devs for not wanting people to destroy a PvP mode more than it already is.
"I want to play it my way. As long as I don't spoil the fun for anyone else"
What if the person you are playing WANTS to actually you know, PLAY the game?
Get the message.
"I want to play it my way. As long as I don't spoil the fun for anyone else"
What if the person you are playing WANTS to actually you know, PLAY the game?
Get the message.
Kaon
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Excuse the devs for not wanting people to destroy a PvP mode more than it already is.
"I want to play it my way. As long as I don't spoil the fun for anyone else" What if the person you are playing WANTS to actually you know, PLAY the game? Get the message. |
Also, you are completely ignoring half my argument, which is on itsself reason enough not to remove this command. If HB is the problem. What has this to do with GvG?
Sarevok Thordin
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After winning 5 matches your rating will be high enough so you won't be facing rollers anymore.
Also, you are completely ignoring half my argument, which is on itsself reason enough not to remove this command. If HB is the problem. What has this to do with GvG? |
Fates
Another very elegant solution to a simple problem. gg
MithranArkanere
You 'liberty' was a breach of the rules. YOUR way affected others.
The result of PvP competitions is made by COMPETING in PvP.
/roll was not a problem in other styles because there is more people in those, and less people is willing to /roll. /roll worked in HB because there are only 2 players. You either find a roller or a player, without mixes.
The /roll command simulates the roll of a dice.
It's a command meant to roleplay.
In PvP you don't roleplay, just play.
To roleplay you don't make PvP characters, you make ROLEPLAYING characters.
That should be easy enough to understand.
You already have the RPS and the color made up rules until they remove them too, hurry up and go max your title unil it's too late! Hurry!
Ha! This was good enough for me to forgive not being able to use the Stylist (although I won't forget!).
Some of us said /roll had to be banned from PvP with reason, they did so, only those that were breaking rules suffer the consequence. Happy ending! Smile! NOW! 笑いしろ!
The result of PvP competitions is made by COMPETING in PvP.
/roll was not a problem in other styles because there is more people in those, and less people is willing to /roll. /roll worked in HB because there are only 2 players. You either find a roller or a player, without mixes.
The /roll command simulates the roll of a dice.
It's a command meant to roleplay.
In PvP you don't roleplay, just play.
To roleplay you don't make PvP characters, you make ROLEPLAYING characters.
That should be easy enough to understand.
You already have the RPS and the color made up rules until they remove them too, hurry up and go max your title unil it's too late! Hurry!
Ha! This was good enough for me to forgive not being able to use the Stylist (although I won't forget!).
Some of us said /roll had to be banned from PvP with reason, they did so, only those that were breaking rules suffer the consequence. Happy ending! Smile! NOW! 笑いしろ!
Gli
Game designers are fascists now for eliminating exploit options!
I do agree that this is a fix that extends far beyond the solution of the actual problem. The solution of the actual problem would be to aggressively pursue and perma-ban cheating match-manipulating scum. If we're going to be fascists, let's be serious about it! Oh well...
I do agree that this is a fix that extends far beyond the solution of the actual problem. The solution of the actual problem would be to aggressively pursue and perma-ban cheating match-manipulating scum. If we're going to be fascists, let's be serious about it! Oh well...
Dante the Warlord
I just played HvH, its not worth it - you never know who is redresigning rock paper scissors etc. I know that its general consensus for many to just play it - but I am just trying to get a few measly points for my zcoins. Everything is just confusing...
Whatever I guess... I got two wins and I see that its just another place for elitism. On a normal HvH match I would agree that playing its well the right way, but with the zquests its just to time consuming to go out and play 6 matches and spend an hour I don't have.
Its just my opinion.. Im sure I will get flamed >_<
Whatever I guess... I got two wins and I see that its just another place for elitism. On a normal HvH match I would agree that playing its well the right way, but with the zquests its just to time consuming to go out and play 6 matches and spend an hour I don't have.
Its just my opinion.. Im sure I will get flamed >_<
Sarevok Thordin
Next on the list.
A disconnect ratio.....? (with consequences for doing it too much?)
A disconnect ratio.....? (with consequences for doing it too much?)
BenjZee
I jsut figured most people who don't roll will just attack anyway!
Kaon
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So you are telling me you want to /roll GvG....
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
You 'liberty' was a breach of the rules. YOUR way affected others.
The result of PvP competitions is made by COMPETING in PvP. |
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/roll was not a problem in other styles because there is more people in those, and less people is willing to /roll. /roll worked in HB because there are only 2 players. You either find a roller or a player, without mixes. |
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The /roll command simulates the roll of a dice. It's a command meant to roleplay. In PvP you don't roleplay, just play. To roleplay you don't make PvP characters, you make ROLEPLAYING characters. That should be easy enough to understand. You already have the RPS and the color made up rules until they remove them too, hurry up and go max your title unil it's too late! Hurry! |
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Ha! This was good enough for me to forgive not being able to use the Stylist (although I won't forget!). Some of us said /roll had to be banned from PvP with reason, they did so, only those that were breaking rules suffer the consequence. Happy ending! Smile! NOW! 笑いにしろ! |
MithranArkanere
Go to the official site...
>Click "Support" (you should see that if you have Flash installed and active).
>>Click "Legal" (Ctrl+F if you are having troubles with that)
>>>Click "Rules of Conduct"
And you get here:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/
A place unknown to some people... now... let's read it all...
Don't you dare be lazy! Read it all as many times as it takes untill you understand everything!
Don't you dare continue reading this my post or thise thread until you read it all!
Read it? Ok. Now continue.
Eh! Eh! I know you didn't! Go back and read it!
Now, have you read it? Really? REEEALLY?
Aren't you lying to me?
Are you serious?
Sigh...
I know you are lying, so I will just quote the part we need:
That included using /roll to end a match without playing the match.
At least you responded correctly to my customary nonsense paragraph... XD. The last part is an umpolite way to order to "LAUGH!" (WARAI SURU!) in japanese without using bad words. It's the way the impolite, it means something like: "DO LAUGH!".
>Click "Support" (you should see that if you have Flash installed and active).
>>Click "Legal" (Ctrl+F if you are having troubles with that)
>>>Click "Rules of Conduct"
And you get here:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/
A place unknown to some people... now... let's read it all...
Don't you dare be lazy! Read it all as many times as it takes untill you understand everything!
Don't you dare continue reading this my post or thise thread until you read it all!
Read it? Ok. Now continue.
Eh! Eh! I know you didn't! Go back and read it!
Now, have you read it? Really? REEEALLY?
Aren't you lying to me?
Are you serious?
Sigh...
I know you are lying, so I will just quote the part we need:
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| While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching. |
At least you responded correctly to my customary nonsense paragraph... XD. The last part is an umpolite way to order to "LAUGH!" (WARAI SURU!) in japanese without using bad words. It's the way the impolite, it means something like: "DO LAUGH!".
Sarevok Thordin
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Yes, as I explained in my OP, but apparantly you didn't read it well.
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HawkofStorms
Mithran, actually Lindsey and others have said many times on that rolling ISN'T considered ladder manipulation according to a.net.
It's not fair. It's discouraged. It's cheap. But it won't get you banned.
But anyways, like I said in the other thread, there are already tons of workarounds for this (rock paper scissors, whoever is red/blue resigns, whoever is on the north or east side resigns, etc). So really, no real harm. A big overraction by the OP for nothing.
It's not fair. It's discouraged. It's cheap. But it won't get you banned.
But anyways, like I said in the other thread, there are already tons of workarounds for this (rock paper scissors, whoever is red/blue resigns, whoever is on the north or east side resigns, etc). So really, no real harm. A big overraction by the OP for nothing.
Still Number One
great, now i cant /roll 37 to try to get 13 out of 37 to show the kurzicks how 1337 i am before every AB.
Still Number One
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Mithran, actually Lindsey and others have said many times on that rolling ISN'T considered ladder manipulation according to a.net.
It's not fair. It's discouraged. It's cheap. But it won't get you banned. But anyways, like I said in the other thread, there are already tons of workarounds for this (rock paper scissors, whoever is red/blue resigns, whoever is on the north or east side resigns, etc). So really, no real harm. A big overraction by the OP for nothing. |
don richardos
RAGEQUIT now!!..u cant roll anymore zomg the biggest problem ever..QQ more plz
Kerwyn Nasilan
Stop whining.
Kaon
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While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.
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Also I just asked Martin on IRC and he ALSO evaded my question and gave the same answer about "screwing the system." Why is everyone being so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing crazy today?
THE MAIN PART OF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT EVEN ASSUMING (WHICH I DISAGREE WITH) ROLLING DESTROYS HB. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BANNED IN OTHER FORMS OF PVP AS GVG=/=HB.
I've had a lot of fun rolling. I think it's just retarded anet prevents me from having any more. Also, I've played more gvg's than anyone else in the game, and I've never seen any of them being decided by roll.
Shayne Hawke
How is /roll, RPS, "Red resigns", etc. not considered ladder manipulation? After all, everyone that plays rated HB matches will end up with some sort of Rank, which means any two players that participate in this are, in a way, affecting the ladder.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Grunntar
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Why are we, the playerbase, not allowed to play the game the way we want? Why are we not allowed to have fun on our way? Why?
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Lindsey...said...rolling ISN'T considered ladder manipulation according to a.net.
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Kaon
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Umm, because it's *their* game, and they get to set the rules... Seems pretty clear to me! You want a different game? Nothing stopping you from learning to program!
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don richardos
its lame that they removed /roll from al pvp and not only from HB..True
but QQ about u cant /roll anymore after winning hoh or before GvG..come on O.o
but QQ about u cant /roll anymore after winning hoh or before GvG..come on O.o
sph0nz
it's lame that they removed /roll from towns/outposts. now people can't "gamble" their money away in a casino.
it's lame that they removed /roll from pvp so nobody easily and effortlessly farm titles like commander.
it's lame that they removed /roll from pvp so nobody easily and effortlessly farm titles like commander.
digimonizm
I'm surprised they got rid of it. ANET seems to be just doing random insane things, that's why I'm kind of discouraged from getting GW2. I'm still not sure if ANET has learned anything from GW1 to make GW2 better.
The first 2 years Proph and Factions were great, NCSoft managed to get sponsored pros from S. Korea to compete in their high end GvG matches and yearly championships for real money. Sure the PvP aspect was broken but it was still fun.
...then it all died down and well, DIED! GG ANET, but it's over.
...now, we have whatshisface sitting in a cubicle changing skills around just for the hell of it. Championships have been automated with no point in competing because competition comes with sponsors and money. (Think Starcraft)
The first 2 years Proph and Factions were great, NCSoft managed to get sponsored pros from S. Korea to compete in their high end GvG matches and yearly championships for real money. Sure the PvP aspect was broken but it was still fun.
...then it all died down and well, DIED! GG ANET, but it's over.
...now, we have whatshisface sitting in a cubicle changing skills around just for the hell of it. Championships have been automated with no point in competing because competition comes with sponsors and money. (Think Starcraft)
bursta91
Wts tissue.
On topic, what is HvH
On topic, what is HvH
MithranArkanere
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Mithran, actually Lindsey and others have said many times on that rolling ISN'T considered ladder manipulation according to a.net.
It's not fair. It's discouraged. It's cheap. But it won't get you banned. But anyways, like I said in the other thread, there are already tons of workarounds for this (rock paper scissors, whoever is red/blue resigns, whoever is on the north or east side resigns, etc). So really, no real harm. A big overraction by the OP for nothing. |
If I follow that rule to all its extent, I could even report for guildies manipulating scrimmages, XD.
I think they just had no way to prove /rolls. Probably because emotes and /rolls won't got logged in chat. You can't prosecute what you can't prove.
Winterclaw
Na na na na
Na na na na
Hey hey hey hey
Goodbye to /roll
Na na na na
Hey hey hey hey
Goodbye to /roll
Apollo Smile
Wow, so we gonna gave a 15 page topic over /roll now. You people try to hard.
FengShuiDove
It was a broken, abusive system intended for avoiding having to play the game the way it was meant to be played. If you want to get point/Zaishen rewards from HB, play HB. If you hate it that much, go do something else.
Halmyr
4 years ago they remove /roll from outpost and now they finish the job and remove it from pvp 
thats it
/ragequit
*sarcasme*
*insert random thing* is serious buisness
thats it/ragequit
*sarcasme*
*insert random thing* is serious buisness
Longasc
This "freedom being taken away" notion is rather funny. 
I would rather say, take a look at Hero Battles. They have something in common with City of Heroes new mission editor.
People prefer to farm/abuse it to the max.
I do not blame the people, I blame the system.
If hero battles would be great, people would not need extra incentives to play them.
I just wonder: Why do we not roll in HA? Is there a social barrier that prevents a team from rolling 100?
I would rather say, take a look at Hero Battles. They have something in common with City of Heroes new mission editor.
People prefer to farm/abuse it to the max.
I do not blame the people, I blame the system.
If hero battles would be great, people would not need extra incentives to play them.
I just wonder: Why do we not roll in HA? Is there a social barrier that prevents a team from rolling 100?
Ate of DK
Looks like Anet just nerfed the biggest "/roll"-er ever seen in GW.
The worlds end is comming... I laughed. GW is serious buisiness.
I think any form of manipulation should be removed and punished. I want to fight people, not /roll for some points I don't care about...
And guess what, when I refuse to /roll and start killing... they ragequit.
Maybe there will be some more players around now who PLAY the game.
The worlds end is comming... I laughed. GW is serious buisiness.
I think any form of manipulation should be removed and punished. I want to fight people, not /roll for some points I don't care about...
And guess what, when I refuse to /roll and start killing... they ragequit.
Maybe there will be some more players around now who PLAY the game.
Apollo Smile
They should add Rock Paper Scissors next for more RAGE.
faraaz
LMAO @ OP.
What the hell are you thinking? You are pissed that you cant abuse the game anymore to farm titles? Tell it to someone who cares...IMO this is the best thing to happen to HB in a long time. GG Anet. I <3 u!
What the hell are you thinking? You are pissed that you cant abuse the game anymore to farm titles? Tell it to someone who cares...IMO this is the best thing to happen to HB in a long time. GG Anet. I <3 u!
JoeKnowMo
They should've removed HB from the game instead of /roll. The latter is used more.
Longasc
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They should've removed HB from the game instead of /roll. The latter is used more.
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But imagine - no Hero Battles, fewer Xunlai Tournament House predictions and less stuff to win.
I guess people will shoot me when I say the Zaishen Chest idea got out of control, too.