So, to keep this short, after playing Guild Wars for 3 years and WoW for about 7 months, I am definitally buying Guild Wars 2. As much as I used to hate some of the things the Devs were doing to the game, and after viewing the gametype from another perspective, this game is actually a freakin' gem. Can't wait for Guild Wars 2 to come out.
Anyone else feel the same way?
Guild Wars, WoW, and Guild Wars 2
Kaida the Heartless
pumpkin pie
Blizzard is developing a brand new MMORPG too. hahaha
slowerpoke
strange blizzard will have 2 subscription mmos going at once, i mean they arent gonna close down wow?....or are they 
Gigashadow
I think it's worthwhile to try out many MMOs if you are really into the genre. If you are relying on one game to provide that mmo fixation for years on end you are going to get jaded and sick of it.
I usually come back to Guild Wars every 6 months or so and play for a month or two, then go off to play other games. I've had plenty of fun in WoW (arenas, not raiding) and EQ2 over the past few years, but when I get tired of those games, I just leave and play something else. Can't say I thought much of Warhammer overall but I did at least spend a couple of months playing it (in the ultimately vain hope the endgame would be good).
I'll play Aion when it comes out later this year, probably get sick of it after 3-4 months (but who knows, maybe it will captivate me), and by that time GW2 info will be in full swing, possibly even betas starting early next year.
I usually come back to Guild Wars every 6 months or so and play for a month or two, then go off to play other games. I've had plenty of fun in WoW (arenas, not raiding) and EQ2 over the past few years, but when I get tired of those games, I just leave and play something else. Can't say I thought much of Warhammer overall but I did at least spend a couple of months playing it (in the ultimately vain hope the endgame would be good).
I'll play Aion when it comes out later this year, probably get sick of it after 3-4 months (but who knows, maybe it will captivate me), and by that time GW2 info will be in full swing, possibly even betas starting early next year.
Pleikki
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strange blizzard will have 2 subscription mmos going at once, i mean they arent gonna close down wow?....or are they
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pumpkin pie
I agree with Gigashadow, I find looking for and testing out different mmos even more fun then actually play them. Some game you can instantly see why they have failed.
Eragon Zarroc
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Blizzard is developing a brand new MMORPG too. hahaha
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can't wait for gw2! only thing i don't look forward to is not having years of experience over other people. fresh start ;-).
Legendary Jamie
Age of conan sucks balls.
shoyon456
While I agree with the OP in that GW is better than WoW, I think that using that idea to justify buying GW2 is just plain terrible, especially when looking at the fact that Anet has opted to make GW2 more like WoW with a high level cap, persistent world, etc...
I've said this before, but I'm not saying that adding these things to GW2 will make it a bad game necessarily, but I have liked GW1 because it was UNIQUE and did NOT follow these elements of WoW.
If you like WoW, then buy it. If you like GW more than WoW, I think you should be on the fence for GW2.
I've said this before, but I'm not saying that adding these things to GW2 will make it a bad game necessarily, but I have liked GW1 because it was UNIQUE and did NOT follow these elements of WoW.
If you like WoW, then buy it. If you like GW more than WoW, I think you should be on the fence for GW2.
MithranArkanere
If I can pay it and is still PAY ONCE, I'll get it, because I like to fisnish what I start, the lore, the setting the unsolved mysteries and the inside jokes.
But if it's not entirely No PAT ONCE, Mithrán doesn't pay, even if it's the best game of the world.
But if it's not entirely No PAT ONCE, Mithrán doesn't pay, even if it's the best game of the world.
pumpkin pie
no more monolith storyline for GW2 MithranArkanere 
i hope they continue with the story too but we'll have to see ...
i hope they continue with the story too but we'll have to see ...
Bekkr
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strange blizzard will have 2 subscription mmos going at once, i mean they arent gonna close down wow?....or are they
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Anyway, as to the OP: in many ways I agree, but I think there is less to like now than pre-EotN.
Antares Ascending
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Gotta wonder if the folks at Blizzard are a bit concerned with the success of Aion and the upcoming GW2. It could cause some peeps to look at good ole WOW, the cash cow, as an aging stringy piece of meat. Off to the glue factory with yoo! We want Kobe beef
Gotta wonder if the folks at Blizzard are a bit concerned with the success of Aion and the upcoming GW2. It could cause some peeps to look at good ole WOW, the cash cow, as an aging stringy piece of meat. Off to the glue factory with yoo! We want Kobe beef
Gigashadow
Given that Blizzard announced the WoTLK release date only a week after Warhammer announced theirs, and then rushed WoTLK out the door a bit before it was ready (hence empty zones like Crystalsong), I'm sure they are planning on something similar this time, it would be stupid of them not to. Probably you will see Starcraft 2 release around the time Aion does, and Diablo 3 when Guild Wars 2 does.
When I canceled my WoW account mid last year for "Reason: Warhammer" I got a WoTLK beta invite 3 days later, which I'm sure was not a coincidence.
When I canceled my WoW account mid last year for "Reason: Warhammer" I got a WoTLK beta invite 3 days later, which I'm sure was not a coincidence.
haggus71
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Gotta wonder if the folks at Blizzard are a bit concerned with the success of Aion and the upcoming GW2. It could cause some peeps to look at good ole WOW, the cash cow, as an aging stringy piece of meat. Off to the glue factory with yoo! We want Kobe beef |
They aren't worried.
Kaida the Heartless
I'm a loyalty gamer. I usually orbit around 1 game, and have one or two side games (usually less involved, such as fps) that I play in the off time.
Still, 7 months in WoW and I just wasn't impressed. I kinda feel jipped. Never felt that way in Guildwars once, for the 3 years I've played.
Still, 7 months in WoW and I just wasn't impressed. I kinda feel jipped. Never felt that way in Guildwars once, for the 3 years I've played.
Abedeus
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I'm a loyalty gamer. I usually orbit around 1 game, and have one or two side games (usually less involved, such as fps) that I play in the off time.
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Then I think it's safe to label you as a fanboy. Here's a t-shirt and a cap, now go play some more.
Sarc
I feel like this about Guild Wars 2.
I look forward to it, but lets be honest, Guild Wars had the worst launch date. GW1 releases while WOW is out, right when the pvp system comes out. When GW2 is released around 2010-11?, Diablo 3 will be out. I just hope GW2 really brings the heat and more people then GW1 pick up the game and play it. Obviously quantity isnt quality, but only having X amount of people to play with / against can get old at times.
I look forward to it, but lets be honest, Guild Wars had the worst launch date. GW1 releases while WOW is out, right when the pvp system comes out. When GW2 is released around 2010-11?, Diablo 3 will be out. I just hope GW2 really brings the heat and more people then GW1 pick up the game and play it. Obviously quantity isnt quality, but only having X amount of people to play with / against can get old at times.
Kaida the Heartless
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3 years and not even one thing felt wrong? Skill rebalances, lack of skill rebalance when needed and other changes?
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Comparatively speaking, the Guild Wars team has, overall, done a better job than the WoW team. Updates are more frequent and stay further up to date. Even if GW wasn't on par with these updates, they revised thier revisions within 2 weeks. Also, an "update" won't cause me to need to reroll another 3 week lvl 80, but that's more of a gameplay issue (Yay PvP Characters!).
I'm just disgusted with how many people play such a mediocre game (WoW). Guess I'm still waiting to be impressed. Don't get me wrong, some things in WoW are pretty neat when compared with Guild Wars. Other things just plain suck.
Also, I played one of the least used PvP characters (Necro) and still enjoyed GW PvP a ton (Yes, I'm aware of Bloodspike).
Neat to see alot of other people agree.
paddymew
For me at least, the only problem about Guild Wars in comparison to WoW is that I know more people IRL that play WoW than GW... Still, Guild Wars kind of buried WoW alive when I discovered it, and no doubt GW2 will do the same with any other MMO out at that time.
Lorewise, I'm really looking forward to GW2, and even if it had worse graphics than most other things, the story (even if it's not monolithical) would be enough of a reason for me to get GW2.
Sylvari Dervish FTW!
Lorewise, I'm really looking forward to GW2, and even if it had worse graphics than most other things, the story (even if it's not monolithical) would be enough of a reason for me to get GW2.
Sylvari Dervish FTW!
Abedeus
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Aww, that's not very nice.
Comparatively speaking, the Guild Wars team has, overall, done a better job than the WoW team. Updates are more frequent and stay further up to date. Even if GW wasn't on par with these updates, they revised thier revisions within 2 weeks. Also, an "update" won't cause me to need to reroll another 3 week lvl 80, but that's more of a gameplay issue (Yay PvP Characters!). |
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You have any idea how many teams use at least 1-2 Necros in their team? I'm talking about GvG.
Gli
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Skill rebalances, lack of skill rebalance when needed and other changes?
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Arduin
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Oh, those frequent updates every 4 weeks (maybe) with 5 skills barely changed..
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If this makes me a fanboi too, fine. At least I am having fun until GW2 launches.
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I have tried other MMO's for a few months, like WoW and LOTRO, but missed the faster pace of Guild Wars. Being able to just zone to any town you've already visited, quickly change to another character when your Guild asks for it. Make a PvP character instantly.
However, I liked the ability to team up with anyone you encountered during questing (non instanced world) and the massive amount of content.
We will see wat GW2 brings us.
woeye
Since I play both games, too, I'd like to add some text as well 
Guild Wars might have its own issues, yes. But compared to WoW it's not that bad, really. WoW's current PvP is in such a horrible bad shape that I've canceled my account. And Blizzard is really trying all their best to dumb down the game more and more. I guess this is the pice you'd have to pay for a "mass market game". If you want to please every player you have to reduce the game to the least common denominator. Which is not much.
Yesterday I played my little monk after a long time. Compared to playing a healer in WoW it was so much more fun. I just realized how much better the skill system of GW is. And also I love the fact that trying out new builds in GW is so much more easy, especially with a PvP char. Not so in WoW. For every respec you have to pay. On top of this the fee raises each time! And swapping gear? Forget about it. Not to mention that you have to farm for hours and hours, sometimes weeks for your "starter" gear.
So, yeah, I am looking forward to GW2. But I might try Aion was, well (like the idea of 3D combat thanks to flying) and Global Agenda Online doesn't sound too bad, either (love playing ET:QW).
Guild Wars might have its own issues, yes. But compared to WoW it's not that bad, really. WoW's current PvP is in such a horrible bad shape that I've canceled my account. And Blizzard is really trying all their best to dumb down the game more and more. I guess this is the pice you'd have to pay for a "mass market game". If you want to please every player you have to reduce the game to the least common denominator. Which is not much.
Yesterday I played my little monk after a long time. Compared to playing a healer in WoW it was so much more fun. I just realized how much better the skill system of GW is. And also I love the fact that trying out new builds in GW is so much more easy, especially with a PvP char. Not so in WoW. For every respec you have to pay. On top of this the fee raises each time! And swapping gear? Forget about it. Not to mention that you have to farm for hours and hours, sometimes weeks for your "starter" gear.
So, yeah, I am looking forward to GW2. But I might try Aion was, well (like the idea of 3D combat thanks to flying) and Global Agenda Online doesn't sound too bad, either (love playing ET:QW).
Gun Pierson
I'll probably buy both GW2 and Diablo3, but I'm more looking forward to D3 at this point. The next gen Action RPG will be a fresh change after the MMO RPG era we had last 5 years.
Here's an interview with Rob Pardo, the executive producer of Diablo3. I like what I hear and see in there.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/diabl...-iii-interview (interview starts after commercial)
Remarkable is that he says that after 2 years into a project, they'll sit together with the whole company and look at the proto type. I think we just saw that happening at Anet recently. So I think Diablo3 is ahead in development as the above interview is almost a year old.
It also means we may see some more info on GW2 later this year which is something Regina confirmed. I can hardly wait for both games to hit the shelves.
Here's an interview with Rob Pardo, the executive producer of Diablo3. I like what I hear and see in there.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/diabl...-iii-interview (interview starts after commercial)
Remarkable is that he says that after 2 years into a project, they'll sit together with the whole company and look at the proto type. I think we just saw that happening at Anet recently. So I think Diablo3 is ahead in development as the above interview is almost a year old.
It also means we may see some more info on GW2 later this year which is something Regina confirmed. I can hardly wait for both games to hit the shelves.
Odinius
never played wow but have my eye set on Aion till GW2 comes out.
Trough gw I played lots of free MMO's some crap some good.
Crappy ones always make me remember why I like GW so much.
Trough gw I played lots of free MMO's some crap some good.
Crappy ones always make me remember why I like GW so much.
felinette
OP: I know what you mean. I burned out on GW about a year ago and switched to another game (LotRO). LotRO was okay, but it was always a bit of a struggle to keep myself interested. That game seems to be going downhill, so a few weeks ago, I logged into GW again. It all seems fresh and I'm having a blast, and yes, having seen "the other side", I appreciate GW much, much more and can't wait for GW2.
fog_of_redoubt
Lots of assumption here about GW2 being free to play, or Pay Once to play.
But the current state of GW1 indicates, as have changes in strategy by Anet, that that model has failed. They stopped the "chapters every 6 months" strategy to fund the franchise 2 years ago. They have introduced Micro Transactions as a source of funding in GW1 to supplement current cash flow.
Expect to pay to buy GW2, play for free, but any significant feature... expect to pay for. Character modification, storage, auction house privileges, prestige weapons, etc.
The GW1 model of pay once play forever FAILED. People just have a hard time looking at the historical timeline and putting 2+2 together.
But the current state of GW1 indicates, as have changes in strategy by Anet, that that model has failed. They stopped the "chapters every 6 months" strategy to fund the franchise 2 years ago. They have introduced Micro Transactions as a source of funding in GW1 to supplement current cash flow.
Expect to pay to buy GW2, play for free, but any significant feature... expect to pay for. Character modification, storage, auction house privileges, prestige weapons, etc.
The GW1 model of pay once play forever FAILED. People just have a hard time looking at the historical timeline and putting 2+2 together.
Longasc
Unfortunately, Fog.
They could go the FREE REALMS route. You know, right now it is outright hyped as cool and so on, while it is not so much more as a bunch of glorified minigames thrown together.
You can buy level 1 weapon for 2,50$ that is better than the best weapon a max level smith can create.
This weapon allows a level 3 warrior ( a pay to play profession) to beat a level 10 brawler (free to play) with a level 10 weapon.
http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2009/05/...nsactions.html
This does not need and hopefully will not happen in GW2.
But you can push the borders of "optional" very far, and I tell you, I personally think that more than two character slots are pure luxury. Wait, nobody agrees? 3? 4? 5?
How much storage is okay for the free package?
This (R)MT stuff always starts out innocent, in the end you can end up paying more than for a subscription based game, funnily.
They could go the FREE REALMS route. You know, right now it is outright hyped as cool and so on, while it is not so much more as a bunch of glorified minigames thrown together.
You can buy level 1 weapon for 2,50$ that is better than the best weapon a max level smith can create.
This weapon allows a level 3 warrior ( a pay to play profession) to beat a level 10 brawler (free to play) with a level 10 weapon.
http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2009/05/...nsactions.html
This does not need and hopefully will not happen in GW2.
But you can push the borders of "optional" very far, and I tell you, I personally think that more than two character slots are pure luxury. Wait, nobody agrees? 3? 4? 5?
How much storage is okay for the free package?
This (R)MT stuff always starts out innocent, in the end you can end up paying more than for a subscription based game, funnily.
Aleta
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I think it's worthwhile to try out many MMOs if you are really into the genre. If you are relying on one game to provide that mmo fixation for years on end you are going to get jaded and sick of it.
I usually come back to Guild Wars every 6 months or so and play for a month or two, then go off to play other games. I've had plenty of fun in WoW (arenas, not raiding) and EQ2 over the past few years, but when I get tired of those games, I just leave and play something else. Can't say I thought much of Warhammer overall but I did at least spend a couple of months playing it (in the ultimately vain hope the endgame would be good). I'll play Aion when it comes out later this year, probably get sick of it after 3-4 months (but who knows, maybe it will captivate me), and by that time GW2 info will be in full swing, possibly even betas starting early next year. |
fog_of_redoubt
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Unfortunately, Fog.
They could go the FREE REALMS route. You know, right now it is outright hyped as cool and so on, while it is not so much more as a bunch of glorified minigames thrown together. You can buy level 1 weapon for 2,50$ that is better than the best weapon a max level smith can create. This weapon allows a level 3 warrior ( a pay to play profession) to beat a level 10 brawler (free to play) with a level 10 weapon. http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2009/05/...nsactions.html This does not need and hopefully will not happen in GW2. But you can push the borders of "optional" very far, and I tell you, I personally think that more than two character slots are pure luxury. Wait, nobody agrees? 3? 4? 5? How much storage is okay for the free package? This (R)MT stuff always starts out innocent, in the end you can end up paying more than for a subscription based game, funnily. |
The frustrating part is that people continue to discuss GW2 as "free to play" and they still think that GW1 is following the same financial model as when GW1/Prophecies was released. It isn't
I don't have a problem with micro transactions, at least until it becomes more expensive than a subscription. And for all of those that say micro transactions are optional, refer to Longsac's examples. They want you to think they are optional, but they make them so you really can't fully enjoy the game without them.
Introverted Dimensions
I played GW, got bored then went to WoW then realize it was a complete shit hole and came back to GW.
The best thing about GW is the heroes. I only wish that we were allowed to bring 7.
The best thing about GW is the heroes. I only wish that we were allowed to bring 7.
Esan
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They want you to think they are optional, but they make them so you really can't fully enjoy the game without them.
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I played GW, got bored then went to WoW then realize it was a complete shit hole and came back to GW.
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fog_of_redoubt
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Yes, I must say that I could only enjoy the game once I bought all the unlock packs (even the pet unlock pack), five storage tabs, the bonus weapon packs, the bonus mission pack, and a dozen character slots. If only I could get all of this in game. Too bad you can't really be competitive in GW unless you pay the big bucks.
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I was referring to the example Longsac made of another game. Properly implemented micro transactions are not necessary to play the game... but appealing enough, or add enough value/fun that most people want them.
Whether you want to believe this or not is your choice. Character makeover, storage tabs, necessary? Nope. Appealing? Yes. Lets see what comes out next time.
Kaida the Heartless
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You have any idea how many teams use at least 1-2 Necros in their team? I'm talking about GvG.
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At this point, after experiencing WoW, I'd probably pay to play GW2 if it can bring me some strong content. Theres going to be alot on the table in the comming years. It'll be interesting to see how the playerbase divides itself amoungst games.
garethporlest18
Nope I don't feel the same way. I think Anet made some stupid decisions. But that won't stop me from getting GW 2 because from what I have read about it, it's going to be better than GW, hopefully making up for the stuff that wasn't in GW in the first place..like an auction house and maybe a mail system, mail is very important.
I think WoW is better than this game, and I've never played WoW. But why would all those people pay all that they do if this game was better? I play LOTRO, that's my other main game. I play Guild Wars more though, GW is easier to access, I can log on and do stuff. Takes a bit more time in LOTRO.
Anyways, I hope they really don't have the 4 added classes in GW 2. The game was decently balanced back when there were only 6 classes.
I think WoW is better than this game, and I've never played WoW. But why would all those people pay all that they do if this game was better? I play LOTRO, that's my other main game. I play Guild Wars more though, GW is easier to access, I can log on and do stuff. Takes a bit more time in LOTRO.
Anyways, I hope they really don't have the 4 added classes in GW 2. The game was decently balanced back when there were only 6 classes.
karen the healer
Yes. Don't forget we got Star Trek Online and Star Wars Old Republic coming out. Star Trek online I had doubts about but is really looking good. SWOR is gonna be big, Bioware does there games right, and tells a great story. Guild Wars 2 should be good as well.
I might be wrong, but alot of the new MMOs being release seem to be leaning toward microtransactions, I am afraid its the future and here to stay. I dont mind buying the game and having microtransactions as long as there is not a monthly fee on top of it all.
Time will tell. It does seem like guild wars is testing out the microtransaction route with there recent update.
I might be wrong, but alot of the new MMOs being release seem to be leaning toward microtransactions, I am afraid its the future and here to stay. I dont mind buying the game and having microtransactions as long as there is not a monthly fee on top of it all.
Time will tell. It does seem like guild wars is testing out the microtransaction route with there recent update.
fog_of_redoubt
SOE The Agency is coming out late this year, or early next also.
Also free to play so far.
Also free to play so far.
Verene
I'm really not a fan of MMOs. They bore me to death and there's just so much about the gamestyle to them that I greatly dislike.
Me liking GW was a bit of a fluke, I'll admit it. And it's basically because it's not like every other cookie-cutter MMO out there. I love instances, because I don't want to deal with other people unless I have to or I invited them along. I love the low level cap, because then I can get to the real fun quickly. And I especially love not having to pay anything once I've purchased the game.
(micro-transactions, like extra storage/skill unlocks/makeover packs do not count, btw, as they're optionals that really don't change anything)
But I'm kind of iffy on GW2. I'm not caring hugely for what I'm hearing about it that they've changed. I'll probably still play it, but...I don't know. I'll see.
SWTOR I'll probably give a try just because I want to see if I can recreate my RP character in it, but I've never liked the KOTOR games and tend to dislike the stuff Bioware makes. So I don't have high hopes for it.
Me liking GW was a bit of a fluke, I'll admit it. And it's basically because it's not like every other cookie-cutter MMO out there. I love instances, because I don't want to deal with other people unless I have to or I invited them along. I love the low level cap, because then I can get to the real fun quickly. And I especially love not having to pay anything once I've purchased the game.
(micro-transactions, like extra storage/skill unlocks/makeover packs do not count, btw, as they're optionals that really don't change anything)
But I'm kind of iffy on GW2. I'm not caring hugely for what I'm hearing about it that they've changed. I'll probably still play it, but...I don't know. I'll see.
SWTOR I'll probably give a try just because I want to see if I can recreate my RP character in it, but I've never liked the KOTOR games and tend to dislike the stuff Bioware makes. So I don't have high hopes for it.