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Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

24 Jun 2009 at 04:31 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Funny how I re-read the entire thing multiple times WITH NO statement even cluing to it being shutdown temp.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

We’ve decided to take Xunlai down to ensure the issues are thoroughly resolved. As soon as we have a good estimate on when it will be available again we will let you know.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused.

Thanks for the update.

Sjeng

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

in my GH

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 05:35 - 42

Yeah, reading is hard :P

Thanks for the heads-up R.B.
Hope I'll get my lost points soon

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

24 Jun 2009 at 06:25 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

We have the correct point distribution records of all those who participated in the Xunlai Tournament House for the May tournaments, and they will get the correct number of points, whether they contacted Customer Support or not.

This is all I needed to know.
Thanks!

EDIT:
Completely and UTTERLY off:
I was looking up at the German text and I have to wonder:
Wir entschuldigen uns für alle Unannehmlichkeiten, die dies versacht hat.
where the verb "versacht" comes from?
I only ever heard of "verursachen".
Any additional info would be appreciated!

Minami

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2008

Dallas, TX. USA

Not in any guild at the moment

N/

24 Jun 2009 at 07:00 - 44

Thank you for the update Regina.

Good luck to the team! Thanks to them for working on the XTH, I'll be waiting for the opportunity to vote again.

P.S.: If ANet needs a Hungarian translation of the update on the XTH, let me know ^_^

Sword Hammer Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Look up.

Kurzick Conflagration Unit [KCU].

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 07:30 - 45

Ahh this is more like it. While I feel like a moocher every time I vote, I do also appreciate the gifts a-net gives us. Looking forward to be able to get my keys ^^

Bleiken

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

Horsens, Denmark

Ragnarok Of Primordus [RoP]

W/Mo

24 Jun 2009 at 07:54 - 46

tuff luck to one of my former guildies, he just bought 12 accounts just for voting at the XTH and getting rich that way.

Yarly

Retired GW Player

Join Date: Jun 2006

UK

Mo/

24 Jun 2009 at 07:55 - 47

Thanks Regina. +1

Still Number One

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 08:06 - 48

The whole conspiracy theory about anet shutting the XTH down is stupid. Stop it. Anet makes money from selling accounts. The XTH gives people an incentive to buy a new account. The XTH makes anet money. Taking it down permanently would be the dumbest idea they could ever have short of shutting down the servers.

It most likely will only be down this month, and as much as it sucks, it really isn't a big deal. The predict the winners has been out since the winterfest tournament that Team Everfrost won (they give away wintergreen items) and possibly longer. I guarantee you the majority of people on this site have not been making picks consistently since they first implemented it. It won't kill anyone to have to take a month off.

tasha

Auctions Mod

Join Date: Jan 2006

UK

Mystic Spiral [MYST]

24 Jun 2009 at 08:16 - 49

Thanks for the progress update. Hope the bugs aren't too deep rooted.

shinyglove

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

BelgiUm

E/

24 Jun 2009 at 08:21 - 50

usually i'm not a QQer but this time,...

i wanted to pay my chaos gloves with that money lool now i have to farm 20 more ecto's :S

[Morkai]

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

Heroes of Elonia [HE]

W/Rt

24 Jun 2009 at 09:19 - 51

Thanks for the update Regina.

lewis91

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Wales

Order of the Azurelight[OA]

E/

24 Jun 2009 at 09:32 - 52

Cool, taking the XTH down for 1-2 months will be more valuable to me than keeping it up whilst its broken. I've been getting 55 on one account for months, and 85 on the other, and i always select the same on both account :s So i knew something was wrong. But i was still getting free money

Thanks for the info.

Bug John

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

24 Jun 2009 at 10:39 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

The May Xunlai Tournament House points distribution took place on June 18. During the distribution, problems occurred. Although some players received their points, many players did not get the correct number of points, and some players who voted did not receive any points at all.

Fixed it...

I know many persons in my guild that didn't vote but still got 55 points.

XTH and GvG xunlai quest bugged, give me back my keys ! QQ

Yang Whirlwind

~ Retired ~

Join Date: Nov 2005

Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1)

E/

24 Jun 2009 at 10:47 - 54

So, instead of getting our points late we don't get any at all

Guess XTH needs to be fixed once and for all, I just hope it doesn't take too long.
Thanks for the update Regina.

Warbog The Slayer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2008

W/P

24 Jun 2009 at 11:36 - 55

tnx for update ,Regina

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

24 Jun 2009 at 12:42 - 56

hmmm.. Thanks for the update? I am not the grouchy old man yet, but, isn't her job to do stuff like this? Is this not what she is paid to do?

You all act like anything and everything good or bad that comes down from ANet is like mana from High Above. What are you guys? stereotypical meek, obedient, computer nerds?

ANet messed up, in the design of the XTH reward system, messed up the fix, and messed up on PR and now need to break their promises.

I mean, statements like, there may be problems, (when there are obviously problems), will be addressed next day, (when it has been about a week and may be months), Send emails, (when you don't have to send emails), we are almost there making progress (when the solution may be weeks if not months away).

I don't fault the messenger for the messages when they are wrong, but its the nature of the job as a PR person. You get blamed and if you want to do a good job as a PR person you need to be able to spin or get better info to the masses so you and ANet don't get blamed.

The problem I have is the, stock answers, what seem to be the lack of effort being put in fixing the problems and keeping the masses accurately informed and satiated.

Guys, this is not homework, or free stuff.. this is real world, real jobs, real money, and real service. While overall, what ANet has been doing with GW is deserving of praise, the recent performance regarding XTH is fail.

felwyn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

24 Jun 2009 at 13:43 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

Guys, this is not homework, or free stuff.. this is real world, real jobs, real money, and real service. While overall, what ANet has been doing with GW is deserving of praise, the recent performance regarding XTH is fail.

You assume people here know what the real world is like...or can even grasp the idea that you need to work to earn money...or that you can be replaced if you don't complete an assignment worthy of the price you paid for it.

Naaaah it's not like thaaaaat, the worst that can possibly happen if you don't complete a task is a mild scolding followed by a pat on the back and the assurance that at least you tried your best and that you're still special...right?

And enough with this "free money" already....it's a LIE and every time you type it in it makes the economist in me cringe.

dilan155

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

living room

N/

24 Jun 2009 at 13:51 - 58

even if the z-key prices goes up they wont go up buy a lot, poeple will still PvP and get keys from balthazar points, and so on a nd so forth, i do hope they go up though.

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

R/

24 Jun 2009 at 14:00 - 59

Meh, who cares.

I have to agree with whomever said Atleast there won't be as much QQing every month about "OMG OMG OMG WHEN DO WE GET OUR ZKEYS CAUSE I NEED MY ZKEYS CAUSE I NEED A TONIC I JUST HAVE TO GET A TONIC I'LL JUST DIE IF I DONT GET A TONIC!!!!!"

Though I'm sure plenty of people who don't pay attention will still QQ.

BogusDude

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

MARA

R/

24 Jun 2009 at 14:27 - 60

Just want to say HAHA to everyone who now has to go out and "EARN" their points and loot.
Never liked the whole voting for free loot thing, its a game, your meant to play it

Please make this a permanent thing, if kegging was a bad thing for the economy then this is just ridiculous. You just can't justify nerfing any farms while this tourny is running

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

R/

24 Jun 2009 at 14:37 - 61

There is no bloody "economy" by any sort of real-world terms. There never has been, there never will be until enemies stop dropping anything at all or stop respawning. Even if the only way to get money is to kill Mantids in Sunqua Vale for 1gp ea, there is still an infinite supply.

Please stop trying to diminish other players' experience by claiming it's bad for this phantom "economy."

felwyn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

24 Jun 2009 at 14:46 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by BogusDude

Just want to say HAHA to everyone who now has to go out and "EARN" their points and loot.
Never liked the whole voting for free loot thing, its a game, your meant to play it

Please make this a permanent thing, if kegging was a bad thing for the economy then this is just ridiculous. You just can't justify nerfing any farms while this tourny is running

Dear BogusDude,

Who paid for your zkeys when you sold them and how did they get the money?

kthxbye

nkuvu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

24 Jun 2009 at 14:54 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

hmmm.. Thanks for the update? I am not the grouchy old man yet, but, isn't her job to do stuff like this? Is this not what she is paid to do?

You all act like anything and everything good or bad that comes down from ANet is like mana from High Above. What are you guys? stereotypical meek, obedient, computer nerds?

It costs me nothing to say "thank you." I thank my waiters and waitresses when they bring me my food, even though they're being paid to do the job. It's called being polite, not acting like they're beings from a higher plane of existence.

Aljasha

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2009

24 Jun 2009 at 14:58 - 64

i am looking forward to a great relaunch with the introduction of the next "big" pvp-update.

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

24 Jun 2009 at 15:03 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkuvu

It costs me nothing to say "thank you." I thank my waiters and waitresses when they bring me my food, even though they're being paid to do the job. It's called being polite, not acting like they're beings from a higher plane of existence.

...Ya if the meal was prepared correctly and the service was good, in that case, I am the first to be polite and give a compliment. NoW, if the waitress got the order wrong, and told me to wait and wait, while others are being served... and when they finally come back and say, sorry what you ordered is no longer available can you pick something else... now thats when then grouchy old man growing inside of me takes over...I dont say thank you when I finally get served, and I dont leave a nice tip if any at all..

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

24 Jun 2009 at 15:06 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

Guys, this is not homework, or free stuff.. this is real world, real jobs, real money, and real service. While overall, what ANet has been doing with GW is deserving of praise, the recent performance regarding XTH is fail.

While I do somewhat agree with you, what else can we do than sugercoat them? They already have our money, over 6 million copies sold. A part of those are extra accounts that players bought to get more z-keys. We're totally at their mercy.

akio pwns

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

ny

[KISS]

D/

24 Jun 2009 at 15:08 - 67

another dissapointment by anet. i mean really what do they do all day at work? or are they hardly working? Other then the developing team and a few support teams what are they doing? Ill say nothing. Nothing spells disaster like someone who cant press a button for a program to calculate numbers.

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

E/

24 Jun 2009 at 15:09 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

While I do somewhat agree with you, what else can we do than sugercoat them? They already have our money, over 6 million copies sold. A part of those are extra accounts that players bought to get more z-keys. We're totally at their mercy.

How much money/profit do you think they will continue to make if they permanently shut-down the XTH?

Us being at "A-Net's mercy" is the biggest load of excretory waste I've ever heard.

Tramp

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

24 Jun 2009 at 15:15 - 69

If you need some accounts to test let me know as I have 14 accounts with exactly the same picks and they received 55/55/30/80/55/30/0/55/5/5/0 (second 0 in a row for this account)/80/80/30. I have no clue how many points I was supposed to get so being an optimist I assume the 80 is correct, but maybe it is 55... or 30... or 5. But in any event, if you need some accounts to run though the new and improved algorithm when it is finished let me know and you can run mine though it as I have either 3 out of 14 correct or 2 out of 14 correct so they would be a good test set for you. P.S. Please bring back kegging for the poor and the bored, it was fun and not that profitable to be broken.

Minami

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2008

Dallas, TX. USA

Not in any guild at the moment

N/

24 Jun 2009 at 15:29 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by akio pwns

*snip* or are they hardly working? Other then the developing team and a few support teams what are they doing? *snip

I saw the QA tester job listing on Anet's website.
I contacted them, asking about a few things, among them I asked if one can do the job long distance. They told me sorry, but no. I asked if there's any sort of job, be it GM or anything else that one can do long distance at Anet. I was told sorry, but no. Meaning, they only hire people who live in the Bellevue area I'm guessing.
In my opinion, this limits the opportunity to hire people. I for instance work part time as a 3D content creator out of home, my products are being tested by very good QA testers before they go live and sell.
Now, I'm not telling ANet to change their business, I just find this kind of weird.

gw_poster

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

so cal

R/

24 Jun 2009 at 15:30 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Actually, I'd be all for not seeing the XTH come back at all. It eliminates a chance for people to gain money for doing relatively nothing, prevents people from abusing the system through multiple accounts, and cuts back on needless crying about "why can't I get my points yet," or "what teams/people will win the tourney this month." Plus, it'll take time away from ANet's already busy schedule to fix this system and put it back into motion. I'd much rather know that time was spent on skill balances or bug fixes.

QFT plus, one less money sink for degenerate gamblers such as myself to waste gold on lol (500k for crap I could have spent 50k to buy...shoot me now)

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

24 Jun 2009 at 15:40 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive

How much money/profit do you think they will continue to make if they permanently shut-down the XTH?

Us being at "A-Net's mercy" is the biggest load of excretory waste I've ever heard.

Less bla bla bla, more research mate.

The next time they need our money and will make profit is when GW2 gets released. GW1 already fulfilled its purpose on that part. GW1 hardly makes up for the costs anymore (wages, development costs etc.). Prices never been that low, you can buy a campaign for 10 euro. The game has reached its final phase for a while now, that's how things go in the gaming industry.

Just hypothetically, if they close XTH forever (which I think they won't), what are you gonna do? You can ragequit, cry, write angry posts and then what? Nothing.

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

N/Mo

24 Jun 2009 at 15:51 - 73

Maybe this will drive more people into actually earning their keys in PvP.

I do doubt it though

Menlai Littiz

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2009

UK (Wales)

United in Battle [UIB]

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 16:19 - 74

Troll Message: SUPER DUPER MENLAI FLEX!!!!!!!!!

on topic:

cool cool i dont mind about xunlai now I WILL HAVE to start farming

hehe thanks for the push Anet! (no sarcasm intended!)

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

24 Jun 2009 at 16:42 - 75

I guess thanks for the update and the apology....it's nice to actually know what's going on.....

Regina, you might want to update your GWW Journal to say that no one will be allowed to vote in June.....

Also, tbh, I'm surprised there isn't more being done to inform the community and to appease those who are going to be pissed when they find out they can't vote on the last day possible. Imo, give everyone a normal amount of RPs for the tourny that we can't vote in as an apology or you're going to have a lot of pissed off players.

Good luck the next few days. I have a feeling that you're going to need it.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

24 Jun 2009 at 16:49 - 76

I'm not going to let this degenerate into a thread hijack, but there are reasonable arguments for why XTH should go away...forever. I reiterate these not to start a fight, but to indicate why there's a legitimate point of view on the matter.

1) It cheapens the accomplishments of the PvPers. The idea was for zkeys to be a reward for PvPing, and particularly a reward for succeeding in the AT format. The more free keys you give away, the lower the price of keys. The lower the price, the less the in-game reward to the players that "earned" large numbers of zkeys via the monthly.

The number of keys given away by XTH is orders of magnitude greater than the number of keys given away by monthly ATs.

2) It cheapens the rewards for engaging in endgame PvE content. Since most gold items other than the goodies added in the most recent Design-A-Weapon contest (largely found in GW:EN dungeons) come out of the zchest, the supply of these items is increased and the expected return per high end run drops. Also affects tome/weapon mod prices, although the impact is much more difficult to estimate.

3) It unfairly distributes keys. The more accounts you have, the more keys you get. While this is favorable to the developer (sells accounts), it's lousy for those of us that don't care to buy a dozen accounts.

Upshot: There are clear winners and losers from XTH. The winners are the people that ANet prefers to court due to their incentive structure: those who play minimal hours, and those that buy a lot of accounts. The "traditional" gamer that plays moderate to substantial hours and has only a couple of accounts loses.

You can be as dismissive as you wish here, but odds are that if you're posting here, you're a net loser when you consider all the ramifications of XTH. If you read this forum, you probably spend at least a moderate amount of time in game and are likely sophisticated compared to most players.

If you want to argue the above with me, PMs and a separate thread are options. I won't argue it here (to prevent a hijack), so responding is pointless.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

24 Jun 2009 at 17:00 - 77

I would literally jump with joy if they announced XTH going down forever. Sadly it's not the case.

Bugs and errors aren't a problem here, while when it works correctly it's worse than now.

And I'm saying that after getting myself a couple accounts with the intent of abusing (I mean just using, but it's abusing the economy) and now not even getting any points on them.

It's totally wrong by design and it should just go. Permantently.

Funk ee Monk ee

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Legendary Adventurers Guild [LAG]

24 Jun 2009 at 17:22 - 78

So was the person who failed to make a backup of the current system before tinkering with it fired? That must be the case, a simple XTH rollback would have been so easy if not.

youknowho

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

24 Jun 2009 at 17:38 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by akio pwns

another dissapointment by anet. i mean really what do they do all day at work? or are they hardly working? Other then the developing team and a few support teams what are they doing? Ill say nothing. Nothing spells disaster like someone who cant press a button for a program to calculate numbers.

Enough QQ. Do you know anything about software development? It sounds like no. Calculating numbers is the easiest and first step. Distribution across accounts and players is obviously complicated enough that it's been an issue for months.

Everyone please just play and enjoy the game. Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how YOU CHOOSE to react to it.

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

R/

24 Jun 2009 at 18:12 - 80

Wow...people want the XTH to go down permanently? Just because the Zaishen keys are supposed to be a reward for PVPers? Um...how about no? Not all of us bought this game to beat up other people in boring PVP maps or get beat up by other people who use Wiki builds. Some of us enjoy playing PVE and progressing through the storyline, so why shouldn't they also be rewarded for it? And while we're on it, Z keys aren't limited to PVP anyway because of the new Zaishen quests. Turn in coins and you get some more keys. And there's also that new Flame of Balthazar or something that gives you free Balthazar points, another way to get keys. The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn.

And yes, people who use the XTH do earn their Zaishen keys unless they push the random button. If people take the time to think about their votes, they earn what they get. Pushing the random button is a lazy attempt at getting free in-game stuff.

In conclusion, I don't think the XTH should be shut down permanently. It's something that adds more to this already dying game (since the last few updates have been fail). And about the keg farming, why must they insist on nerfing things people enjoy doing? At least it gives us something to do, because it gets so boring going through the entire storyline 20 times. Give us back our keg farm!