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hollabackgirl

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2009

how about we all just accept that the fact the XTH will be down for maintenance, hope for our reward for May, as well as stop sucking up to Anet for doing their job?

Its down. Deal with it, there's no need to suck RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO over it either.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

Oh well.. at least I wont have to rage early on Saturday morning after finding it impossible to log on and make my predictions!

Yes, I'll miss my keys but Im not hurting for cash and theres nothing really that I need to buy.. There are plenty of other ways to earn keys anyway.

To the person who has a friedn v card earlier in the thread - newegg have a 10% off sale using code VGASALE with some reasonable cards capable of running GW for $30.

Black Metal

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

I've been checking newegg (and all other major retailers) for an EOTN sale for the last few months. Right now on newegg it's $12.99 which is pretty good in mid-year. Got one for my secondary (which right now isn't really worth what it should considering this topic)

Gun Pierson

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cacheelma View Post
How pathetic it is that a player have to do something like this?. Sugarcoated his/her words to please a game company in hope that they will be more likely to....what? Give you more freebies?

Oh, GW community.
No lets all flame them and see what the result will be. Ignored and deleted posts and no progression at all. Give me more freebies? lol wut?


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Originally Posted by Cacheelma View Post
It's kinda sad to see some people trying to change the "customer-service provider" relationship to "slavery-master" or some kind of monarchy. It's just... pathetic.
Come back when you convinced the suits at NCSoft to put more recources into GW1. Until then, you're just in the same position like the rest of us. You might have a bigger mouth, but that's all.

EDIT: remember Avarre's open letter? Anet responded with one post which came down to: We're sorry you feel that way, but that's how things are.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

No I don't, Pierson. In case you didn't notice this forum isn't run by Anet. There's no rules indicating that we have to worship them or that we can't speak our mind about how bad Anet is in our opinion. Your choosing to do the former is your choice, not mandatory.

The fact that I find it pathetic that people do such thing is also my opinion. Deal with it.

If Anet need to be worshipped in order for them to make any kind of progress to their own game. I'd say they should grow up. But I highly doubt they need such thing. It's you who choose to do the worshipping in hope of....something. What you hope to get out of it is beyond me, really.

Gun Pierson

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

What I want to get out of it, is at least a dialogue between us and the CR team so they can advocate our points of view to the higer ups at Anet and NCSoft.

True about this forum, but that also means Anet doesn't have to post at all. I don't see many Anet posts in the most hot and heated debates. They rather stay out of it.

Don't get me wrong, I've expressed a lot of negative but constructive feedback on these boards and I will continue to do so. So yeah the situation with XTH sucks, but there's not really anything we can do about it than just wait.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

And we NEED to see Anet's posts?

Sure, it's good to see a respond. But, when they do it, they do it out of their own benefit. Answering to the community is part of their job. Poor/no interaction with the community will reflect badly ON THEM, not us.

We, as customers, shouldn't be at their mercy AT ALL. If anything, it should be the other way around. I'm sure they know this, too.

Wrath of m0o

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

I didnt get my points..
You wont get yours either..
Sounds fair to me..

If you want Z-keys play JQ Luxon side, there is no wait.

Gun Pierson

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

Well, I prefer them to post here so I don't have to find info on one of those wiki talk pages, but that's my opinion ofcourse.

Oh but I agree, we shouldn't be at their mercy, but I think we are. That doesn't mean we have to like it ofcourse. But what is the alternative? They have a monopoly in that segment of the market.

EDIT: When I said: 'What else can we do than sugarcoat them?' It was actually an expression of 'despair' as in /sigh.

funway ftw

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2008

R/

anyone else find it funny that the major players saying stop qq'ing are the ones that are cashed up to the eyeballs from ripping off noobs and selling high under the guise of power traders ? of course the XTH threatens theyre epeen because people now have the ability to get a lot of money legitimately without having ripped anyone off or duping to get it. bottom line is we all agree anet is making money from the extra accounts sold to use on the XTH and traveller ( and anyone who thinks for one second that wasnt there plan is naive or plain stupid) so it is understandable when people get annoyed when this in game income is removed after spending rl money to get it. It is a feature that is there and buying more accounts to use it is not an exploit. its no different to new people getting the game and using it themselves. But anet has realised they are not getting new customers anymore so they fleece the existing ones. cause you can have a new hairdo at a cost these days its all about the money dont forget that. I dont mind the idea behind it its when you cant use it thats annoying. lets say you pay out 10 bucks of your hard earned for a new hairdo and a glitch stopped you from being able to use it and anet tried for a couple of months to fix it and then realised that they cant and need to recode it so they "remove it" from the game to fix it and you can have your new pixels (that you have already paid for) when they decide to reintroduce it but they wont say when! there is really no difference people are annoyed they all "hope" anet will do the right thing but they are unsure of how and when due to limited feedback and again they get more annoyed. so all you dupers and power traders pull your heads in we dont care if your epeen is at risk you didnt pay for it with your rl hard earned (or did you? ) people just want what they had coming free or not and are complaining that they dont have it yet and dont need others saying remove it cause my epeen isnt lookin so good anymore (we could care less!!!!)

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Falynn Firestorm View Post
I think Pumpkin Pie needs to put back his/her dog butt face.
lol, this avatar is temporary, i still like the butt face better but I want to watch this movie.

on topic, I think it is reasonable to ask for 5 XTH points for everyone since we are unable to vote during June, and 5 is the minimum points right.

what say you Ms Regina B?

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar View Post
You're right in your thinking, but what a lot of the QQers don't understand is this is a basic tenet of economics, called "Opportunity Cost".
This has nothing to do with the opportunity cost. It's about needlessly unstable expectations. The basic process looks like this:

1) Person compares purchase with opportunity cost and decides to make purchase.
2) Game developer changes game.
3) Given change, the conclusion of the calculation in step 1 would have been different.
4) Player is mad, because player cannot undo transaction. Player feels like the developer has stolen from player by altering the deal.

Sure, you can argue that the risk of #2 goes into that calculation in #1, but it is CLEARLY Pareto-improving for the developer to reduce that risk to zero. All players are happier and the developer sells more games by doing so. (Very easy proof, let me know if you need me to set up the model.)

As a result, the player should logically infer that the risk of the change is zero, and should be upset when the developer irrationally makes a change that impedes selling games.

Don't get me wrong, I'm completely anti-XTH for a whole host of reasons. I think the whole situation is a shortsighted Faustian bargain for the developer. That said, once the developer creates an XTH-style system, there is no choice but to perpetuate it.

EDIT: 1337, the irony is that he doesn't realize that the power traders are the big winners. XTH and SF-driven inflation is fantastic if you already own the fixed-supply items people want to buy.

1337 H4X

1337 H4X

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2009

SNOW

Quote:
Originally Posted by funway ftw View Post
anyone else find it funny that the major players saying stop qq'ing are the ones that are cashed up to the eyeballs from ripping off noobs and selling high under the guise of power traders ? of course the XTH threatens theyre epeen because people now have the ability to get a lot of money legitimately without having ripped anyone off or duping to get it. bottom line is we all agree anet is making money from the extra accounts sold to use on the XTH and traveller ( and anyone who thinks for one second that wasnt there plan is naive or plain stupid) so it is understandable when people get annoyed when this in game income is removed after spending rl money to get it. It is a feature that is there and buying more accounts to use it is not an exploit. its no different to new people getting the game and using it themselves. But anet has realised they are not getting new customers anymore so they fleece the existing ones. cause you can have a new hairdo at a cost these days its all about the money dont forget that. I dont mind the idea behind it its when you cant use it thats annoying. lets say you pay out 10 bucks of your hard earned for a new hairdo and a glitch stopped you from being able to use it and anet tried for a couple of months to fix it and then realised that they cant and need to recode it so they "remove it" from the game to fix it and you can have your new pixels (that you have already paid for) when they decide to reintroduce it but they wont say when! there is really no difference people are annoyed they all "hope" anet will do the right thing but they are unsure of how and when due to limited feedback and again they get more annoyed. so all you dupers and power traders pull your heads in we dont care if your epeen is at risk you didnt pay for it with your rl hard earned (or did you? ) people just want what they had coming free or not and are complaining that they dont have it yet and dont need others saying remove it cause my epeen isnt lookin so good anymore (we could care less!!!!)
So now anyone with money is a cheater/manipulative person.
I'm sorry you fail

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN View Post
They do?..........................They have access to skins sure but they are putting in way more amounts of effort/time to get RP's to get the skins. Thing is PvE'ers are getting PvP rewards for logging on a website and nothing more. The average GW player can obtain more RPs from the XTH than from the average GvG guild doing ATs to obtain 20 QP then placing 17th-32 spot.
That's why I bolded a part in the post I was replying to.
To quote it again and bold it again:
Quote:
Originally Posted by oscarmac View Post
The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn?

Playing through the game, opening high-end chests, finishing dungeons. That's the way PvE players get what they earn. None of which PvP players can do. Zaishen keys are a source of income to PvP only players who do not have access, nor care to grind through, the PvE rewards.
You are paying for the luxury of not having to do PvE to obtain PvE rewards.
So if we apply the rule which prohibits PvE players obtaining PvP rewards without doing PvE, then it only makes sense to apply the same rule to PvP.
If you choose to not do PvE - you should not have access to PvE rewards.
Luckily we moved past that. And there is absolutely no reason, outside of hurt egos, to not do the same thing in PvP.

Regarding the rewards - a player who takes part in the mATs AND bets in the XTH will gain more rewards as a player that only bets. Unless of course one of them has a better knowledge of who has a better chance at winning. And in this case - the player should be rewarded for this knowledge.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

Quote:
Originally Posted by funway ftw View Post
anyone else find it funny that the major players saying stop qq'ing are the ones that are cashed up to the eyeballs...
I stopped reading there for 3 reasons.

1. You have no idea how "wealthy" anyone here is in-game.

2. Because the majority of the people who are QQing are those who are mad because they lost a source of in-game income. (Nothing wrong with being upset about the problem, but there are better ways of expressing one's displeasure than "RED ENGINE, A-net! Give me my stuff! Epic fail! Waaaahhh)

3. Reading walls of text just isn't my thing, especially when they start out with such an unfounded assumption.

funway ftw

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2008

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~ View Post
I stopped reading there for 3 reasons.

1. You have no idea how "wealthy" anyone here is in-game.

2. Because the majority of the people who are QQing are those who are mad because they lost a source of in-game income. (Nothing wrong with being upset about the problem, but there are better ways of expressing one's displeasure than "RED ENGINE, A-net! Give me my stuff! Epic fail! Waaaahhh)

3. Reading walls of text just isn't my thing, especially when they start out with such an unfounded assumption.
had you actually bothered to read past the first line which in itself you read poorly it states the people saying "stop" qqing are wealthy people who dont want theyre epeen destroyed because others with the rl money to purchase additional accounts can generate passive incomes and thus grow theyre own epeen demeenin all the so called hard work these people put into getting rich. as for unfounded assumptions take a look at the names of the people saying "take the xth out alltogether" then mosey on over to the high end thread where you will find most of them flogging there prize posessions for exorbitant prices. no assumtion required!!

wall of text> 10 yr old trawler with no knowledge

esthetic

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

What I don't get is how wait 7 days then wait one day, then wait a few days, to now... We don't know when.. maybe weeks maybe months...

It makes me think they don't have a clue. I mean really ANet's people stated that they were narrowing in on the problem a week ago and now what?

Although they have stated they will put back up the XTH, they have said things which turn out to be false. Well if they are going to perma take down XTH or down for more than a couple of months, I demand my money back for the accounts I purchased for XTH. I only purchased them for XTH. No gambling or risk taken on my part.. they said they would have this feature I bought it. It was like advertised buy more accounts you can get more keys. At Amazon.com you could buy up to three copies at 4.99 a piece. Now if they take out the XTH predictions, my extra accounts are useless.

I can understand the argument that its all part of the game and that game features can change and blah blah blah, IF it was one account and I have the rest of the game and its only one feature they take out, but I already had a couple of accounts from the very beginning the extra account adds no value to me without XTH reward pts.

To the people who didn't buy the extra accounts or don't like the fact that others have bought the accounts for extra Xkeys.. QQ at ANet not me. I, we did not design the game features. You gonna have people self motivated to bash the XTH cause they only have one account and hate the fact that someone else may have 5 and get 5 times as much every month, that is understandable but why hate the player? do you blame them for buying a copy for 4.99 at amazon.com? Blame ANet for inviting it to happen so they can sell more copies. And by the way... who do you think is paying ANet employees for making other updates and generally keeping ANet employees paid? People who bought extra accounts, name changes, makeovers ect ect.

jray14

jray14

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

NC, USA

Ohm Mahnee Pedmay [Hoom]

Quote:
Originally Posted by esthetic View Post
It makes me think they don't have a clue.
I think the fact that Regina announced the new Testing Krewe means they have a clue now. That's been the problem all along, the lack of a testing environment that resembles the live server and its players.

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

You know.....with the lack of an actual fix-date on this issue, I have some weird feeling that XTH may not be coming back.

It seems like Regina has suggested that this could last longer than 1 month.....

Lol, if they lie to us that way, I'm going to both a) die laughing, & b) be absolutely pissed off. Tbh, this would be the smartest way to get rid of the XTH (and they have to be tired of fixing it). All they'd have to do is claim to be fixing it for a few months and then just not bring it back (with the GW2 excuse, understaffed excuse, or something else).

Conspiracy theories, start your engines!

savage vapor 33

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
You know.....with the lack of an actual fix-date on this issue, I have some weird feeling that XTH may not be coming back.

It seems like Regina has suggested that this could last longer than 1 month.....

Lol, if they lie to us that way, I'm going to both a) die laughing, & b) be absolutely pissed off. Tbh, this would be the smartest way to get rid of the XTH (and they have to be tired of fixing it). All they'd have to do is claim to be fixing it for a few months and then just not bring it back (with the GW2 excuse, understaffed excuse, or something else).

Conspiracy theories, start your engines!
Or they are fixing it.

nkuvu

nkuvu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
It seems like Regina has suggested that this could last longer than 1 month.....
It's possible. Have you ever done software development? Some things take time to do, especially debugging. Estimating the time it will take to fix a bug is tricky, so I'd much rather have them give an indeterminate time as opposed to saying "fixed in two days! No, wait, sorry, two more days. No, wait, sorry, three more days. Err, how about two more days? Um..."
Quote:
Originally Posted by esthetic View Post
Well if they are going to perma take down XTH or down for more than a couple of months, I demand my money back for the accounts I purchased for XTH. I only purchased them for XTH. No gambling or risk taken on my part.. they said they would have this feature I bought it. It was like advertised buy more accounts you can get more keys. At Amazon.com you could buy up to three copies at 4.99 a piece. Now if they take out the XTH predictions, my extra accounts are useless.
Good luck with that.

Tender Wolf

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

R/

While I'm very annoyed the XTH is down and we still haven't received points (and it's sounding like we may not get them next month either), I have to say something to the people who bought more accounts JUST for the XTH: How about while it's down you play the game? Fine, you want more keys every month, but to those of you saying your other accounts are now useless, you could play through the game and get money that way. Like missions, quests (especially the Kaineng ones), etc. add up pretty quickly. Just as a temporary issue. Play through the game like everyone else and don't spend real life money to get in-game money. That just doesn't make sense to me.

Stop The Storm

Stop The Storm

Keeping DoA Alive

Join Date: Jan 2007

England

Were In [DoA]

A/N

buying extra accounts just to use for XTH is just as bad as buying gold off ebay or goldsellers.

youre very very sad.

Verene

Verene

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2009

[SOTA]

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by esthetic View Post
What I don't get is how wait 7 days then wait one day, then wait a few days, to now... We don't know when.. maybe weeks maybe months...

It makes me think they don't have a clue. I mean really ANet's people stated that they were narrowing in on the problem a week ago and now what?

Although they have stated they will put back up the XTH, they have said things which turn out to be false. Well if they are going to perma take down XTH or down for more than a couple of months, I demand my money back for the accounts I purchased for XTH. I only purchased them for XTH. No gambling or risk taken on my part.. they said they would have this feature I bought it. It was like advertised buy more accounts you can get more keys. At Amazon.com you could buy up to three copies at 4.99 a piece. Now if they take out the XTH predictions, my extra accounts are useless.

I can understand the argument that its all part of the game and that game features can change and blah blah blah, IF it was one account and I have the rest of the game and its only one feature they take out, but I already had a couple of accounts from the very beginning the extra account adds no value to me without XTH reward pts.

To the people who didn't buy the extra accounts or don't like the fact that others have bought the accounts for extra Xkeys.. QQ at ANet not me. I, we did not design the game features. You gonna have people self motivated to bash the XTH cause they only have one account and hate the fact that someone else may have 5 and get 5 times as much every month, that is understandable but why hate the player? do you blame them for buying a copy for 4.99 at amazon.com? Blame ANet for inviting it to happen so they can sell more copies. And by the way... who do you think is paying ANet employees for making other updates and generally keeping ANet employees paid? People who bought extra accounts, name changes, makeovers ect ect.
Oh for...

They did not promise that it would be fixed in a day, or a week, or whatever. They were saying "wait a day and hopefully we'll have an idea of what caused it and have it working properly." When it obviously turned out to be something that an overnight fix wouldn't cut it for, they changed the estimated time. And now, since it's apparently quite a large fix that's required, they're not giving an estimated time so that if it takes longer than they expect, people can't whine.

They've been giving estimates. Not hard deadlines. Do you know what 'estimate' means? It's an approximation. It's not a hard timeline and hardly anyone expects an estimate to be held to as though it actually were a specific timeline.

Anet does not set the price that amazon or newegg sell copies at, btw. And I certainly doubt that they tell them to sell for under their suggested retail price. Meaning? Those copies you bought on amazon for $5? Doubtful that Anet actually made any profit from that sale.

Seriously, though, since you have extra accounts - wouldn't you rather they take it down for a while to try and identify, hammer out, and fix as many of the bugs as they possible can, so it works properly in the future? Or would you rather it continue in its broken state? Or does it not matter so long as you get your z-keys?

(Last paragraph is really more of a general 'you')

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stop The Storm View Post
buying extra accounts just to use for XTH is just as bad as buying gold off ebay or goldsellers.

youre very very sad.
Actually you are very sad.

One of those things are something that gw hope people do (buying more accounts) and the other gw will ban you for. So you think however you may, but sadness is your logic.

As for XTH, it's a bummer it's still down without a correction date, I would guess that the earliest it would go back into functionality would be after this months mAT so that they dont have to worry about everyone and their brother's uncle bumrushing it and destroying it.

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

R/

I need my keys, because my dumbass deleted my armor mule holding two sets of sassy max armor, a set of ranger max, and a full set of Elite Gladiator. *sob*

Still, I ain't gonna ride them on it. Debugging is a bitch, especially when you have a bug like this, that doesn't manifest consistently (some players got all points, many got none, many got wrong amounts...). I can only imagine how bad it must be on the backend.

If I wasn't trying to hunt down just such a mandelbug in my own project today, my heart would bleed for them, and I hope they don't give up and scrap the whole thing. As it is, though, unfortunately, my stomach is doing all the bleeding for the rest of my organs. =\

rick1027

rick1027

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verene View Post
Oh for...

They did not promise that it would be fixed in a day, or a week, or whatever. They were saying "wait a day and hopefully we'll have an idea of what caused it and have it working properly." When it obviously turned out to be something that an overnight fix wouldn't cut it for, they changed the estimated time. And now, since it's apparently quite a large fix that's required, they're not giving an estimated time so that if it takes longer than they expect, people can't whine.

They've been giving estimates. Not hard deadlines. Do you know what 'estimate' means? It's an approximation. It's not a hard timeline and hardly anyone expects an estimate to be held to as though it actually were a specific timeline.

Anet does not set the price that amazon or newegg sell copies at, btw. And I certainly doubt that they tell them to sell for under their suggested retail price. Meaning? Those copies you bought on amazon for $5? Doubtful that Anet actually made any profit from that sale.

Seriously, though, since you have extra accounts - wouldn't you rather they take it down for a while to try and identify, hammer out, and fix as many of the bugs as they possible can, so it works properly in the future? Or would you rather it continue in its broken state? Or does it not matter so long as you get your z-keys?

(Last paragraph is really more of a general 'you')
its the retail business anet makes the same amount off every copy no matter whatrs its sold as the ones that take the hit are the retailers. the retailer may get a small kickback if they sell a lot of products. the sale is to bring you in then they hope you buy something else along the way

Deathaxe Raizer

Deathaxe Raizer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Last Pride [EvIL]

Wow, ArenaNet never fails to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up badly.

SerenitySilverstar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathaxe Raizer View Post
Wow, ArenaNet never fails to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up badly.
And a lot of gamers never fail to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing have a clue about coding or empathy for the company.

See what I did thar? No, don't expect you did.

Deathaxe Raizer

Deathaxe Raizer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Last Pride [EvIL]

Don't you find it amusing that they can never do anything right in 1 time?

I do.

SUPERMAN`

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Wolf View Post
While I'm very annoyed the XTH is down and we still haven't received points (and it's sounding like we may not get them next month either), I have to say something to the people who bought more accounts JUST for the XTH: How about while it's down you play the game? Fine, you want more keys every month, but to those of you saying your other accounts are now useless, you could play through the game and get money that way. Like missions, quests (especially the Kaineng ones), etc. add up pretty quickly. Just as a temporary issue. Play through the game like everyone else and don't spend real life money to get in-game money. That just doesn't make sense to me.
1) The people that are spending money on extra accounts have already beaten everything possible. Not to mention how boring playing a campaign that you've beaten 6 or 7 times depending on how many chars you went through. Also, for me, buying things is the only real fun thing to do anymore. Let people do as the want.

2) Don't tell people how to spend their money. Anet knew when the put up XTH people would buy more accounts and is the main reason why we have it.

Kazza

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2008

UK

TLH

E/

wow sometimes ppl forget that this is a game not a way of life

Minami

Minami

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2008

Dallas, TX. USA

Not in any guild at the moment

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Fire Angel View Post
*snip*
@ ANet - you really should have hired more people to bug test your software and updates. *snip* i am sure there are 1000's of people willing to beta test releases for you, perhaps you could give people access to your online test servers so these things could be tested outside of the "live" environment.
I'd love to do such a thing! I love beta testing programs, I'm currently beta testing a huge 3D modeling/rendering program, and I have a lot of beta testing and QA experience.
I do hope ANet will look into employing testers who don't necessarily live in the Bellevue area, I imagine there are only so many there who's available...

Konker2020

Konker2020

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2009

Exiled Forcez [Ex]

On a note that is actually relative to this thread, any news on when the rest of us get our points?

SUPERMAN`

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by Konker2020 View Post
On a note that is actually relative to this thread, any news on when the rest of us get our points?
I thought it would be today, but it's getting a little late for that. I also can't imagine it being to much longer considering they have all the information, so they told us.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Wolf View Post
While I'm very annoyed the XTH is down and we still haven't received points (and it's sounding like we may not get them next month either), I have to say something to the people who bought more accounts JUST for the XTH: How about while it's down you play the game? Fine, you want more keys every month, but to those of you saying your other accounts are now useless, you could play through the game and get money that way. Like missions, quests (especially the Kaineng ones), etc. add up pretty quickly. Just as a temporary issue. Play through the game like everyone else and don't spend real life money to get in-game money. That just doesn't make sense to me.
Because you can generate more money by playing NORMALLY with more than 1 account, right?

Dual-boxing is painful and it doesn't necessarily generate more money for you. Besides, I doubt we're talking about 1 extra account here.

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar View Post
empathy for the company.
You kidding me? Are we, as customers, supposed to feel sorry for the retardation of the company WE PAID OUR MONEY TO?

I think we're dragging the BFB's behavior a bit too far here. It wasn't this bad while I was still in the club (and trust me I was badly blind).

The Air Revenger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

Looking For TA Guild!

W/

sad to see the house go down but at least now people will earn their money insted of just getting it. This update promotes farming and playing the game for money which i really like.

Hammer Drawn

Hammer Drawn

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Originally Posted by Kazza View Post
wow sometimes ppl forget that this is a game not a way of life
QFT.

If it really bothers you that much, go outside. Its a game. This will in absolutely no way affect your social status in real life.

Fanita

Fanita

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2008

W/P

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Originally Posted by Fanita View Post
I WANT MY POINTS! Seriously this is ridiculous. Stop saying don't complain about free money. It's like in Chevy Chase's Christmas Vacation movie, when his boss removes bonuses but Clark had been planning to use that bonus for a pool. I had plans for my money, now I will not get it and my plans are done. They should have resolved this issue earlier or at least informed us of the closing of XTH earlier.
I still feel that I bring the most valid point to the table.

Shasgaliel

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

[bomb]

I think this is the best thing to do. Take it down. Fix it once and for all and only then put it back. I prefer to wait for couple of months for correct content than every time read those whining threads regarding missing points.
Anyway for those who bought accounts just for XTH. Is it anywhere mentioned on the box or instruction or wherever that XTH is standard part of the game you bought? I was checking mine and could not find anything...


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Originally Posted by Fanita View Post
I still feel that I bring the most valid point to the table.
The only point you bring is about having too high expectations. XTH issues appeared every (or every second) month. Many people did not get their points not only this time but many times in the past as well. Sometimes it was fixed sometimes was not. So why the hell you expected them to work this time?
Moreover if I understood your example you made your plans on the basis of a lottery, in which you assumed you will win? You could have got just 5rp per account. In which case making plans for winnings do not make much sense in my opinion. You could have got peanuts even if XTH worked properly... (not mentioning the cases that people got much less rp than they should)