Maybe people want it to go because there's always so much complaining when it is late.
If you are complaining about something you get for free, maybe you shouldn't be getting it in the first place.
Xunlai Tournament House News
Winterclaw
Minami
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
Wow...people want the XTH to go down permanently? Just because the Zaishen keys are supposed to be a reward for PVPers? Um...how about no? Not all of us bought this game to beat up other people in boring PVP maps or get beat up by other people who use Wiki builds. Some of us enjoy playing PVE and progressing through the storyline, so why shouldn't they also be rewarded for it? And while we're on it, Z keys aren't limited to PVP anyway because of the new Zaishen quests. Turn in coins and you get some more keys. And there's also that new Flame of Balthazar or something that gives you free Balthazar points, another way to get keys. The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn.
And yes, people who use the XTH do earn their Zaishen keys unless they push the random button. If people take the time to think about their votes, they earn what they get. Pushing the random button is a lazy attempt at getting free in-game stuff. In conclusion, I don't think the XTH should be shut down permanently. It's something that adds more to this already dying game snip. And about the keg farming, why must they insist on nerfing things people enjoy doing? At least it gives us something to do, because it gets so boring going through the entire storyline 20 times. Give us back our keg farm! |
I do play PvP, but not nearly enough to get a steady flow of zkeys like some of you who wants to see the XTH gone *snipped for politeness's sake*.
Anyways, XTH, we await your return ^_^
(*yours too, kegging*)
Gin Cometh
I have been using XTH since 2006 & never missed a CHANCE to vote ,so thats 3 years of a game feature ,its not going anywhere, no matter what you FANBOIS say.
Still Number One
disclaimer: I read up to about page 4 and felt the need to quote myself from page 3.
Why on earth would shutting down the XTH permanently be a good thing? You can make up all the arguments you want, the fact of the matter is, they do not compare in the least bit to the argument of why it should be kept up. Guild Wars takes money to be run. It costs money to keep servers up, and pay employees to make sure the game runs properly. They make money from guild wars, when you buy your account or any new accounts after that. They don't make money from you farming. They don't make money from you making your guild, or farming zkeys in RA. They make money when you buy an account. The XTH is a way to make players want to buy multiple accounts. Therefore the XTH makes anet money.
Say this with me now, XTH = increase in account sales = more money for anet. Why is taking the XTH down permanently a good thing again? Oh because people aren't earning their money? It's a game, you're an idiot.
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Originally Posted by Still Number One
The whole conspiracy theory about anet shutting the XTH down is stupid. Stop it. Anet makes money from selling accounts. The XTH gives people an incentive to buy a new account. The XTH makes anet money. Taking it down permanently would be the dumbest idea they could ever have short of shutting down the servers.
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Say this with me now, XTH = increase in account sales = more money for anet. Why is taking the XTH down permanently a good thing again? Oh because people aren't earning their money? It's a game, you're an idiot.
oscarmac
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
Wow...people want the XTH to go down permanently? Just because the Zaishen keys are supposed to be a reward for PVPers? Um...how about no? Not all of us bought this game to beat up other people in boring PVP maps or get beat up by other people who use Wiki builds. Some of us enjoy playing PVE and progressing through the storyline, so why shouldn't they also be rewarded for it? And while we're on it, Z keys aren't limited to PVP anyway because of the new Zaishen quests. Turn in coins and you get some more keys. And there's also that new Flame of Balthazar or something that gives you free Balthazar points, another way to get keys. The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn.
And yes, people who use the XTH do earn their Zaishen keys unless they push the random button. If people take the time to think about their votes, they earn what they get. Pushing the random button is a lazy attempt at getting free in-game stuff. In conclusion, I don't think the XTH should be shut down permanently. It's something that adds more to this already dying game (since the last few updates have been fail). And about the keg farming, why must they insist on nerfing things people enjoy doing? At least it gives us something to do, because it gets so boring going through the entire storyline 20 times. Give us back our keg farm! |
Playing through the game, opening high-end chests, finishing dungeons. That's the way PvE players get what they earn. None of which PvP players can do. Zaishen keys are a source of income to PvP only players who do not have access, nor care to grind through, the PvE rewards.
Minami
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Originally Posted by oscarmac
The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn?
Playing through the game, opening high-end chests, finishing dungeons. That's the way PvE players get what they earn. None of which PvP players can do. Zaishen keys are a source of income to PvP only players who do not have access, nor care to grind through, the PvE rewards. |
Enlighten me please, why would PvP only players need money so desperately?
oscarmac
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Originally Posted by Minami Kaori
Enlighten me please, why would PvP only players need money so desperately?
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Minami
I thought the new zaishen bounties cover that stuff nowadays, especially all the coins you could get then exchange them for storage bags and sell them for tons of money in GtoB.
In any case, I like getting my zkeys and using them. Not having to grind in PvE to make money to be able to buy zkeys if I feel like opening the zchest is very good for me since I don't have a lot of money (40k tops at any one time usually), plus, I'm not a big fan of trading.
Also, predicting is fun. ^_^
In any case, I like getting my zkeys and using them. Not having to grind in PvE to make money to be able to buy zkeys if I feel like opening the zchest is very good for me since I don't have a lot of money (40k tops at any one time usually), plus, I'm not a big fan of trading.
Also, predicting is fun. ^_^
Fanita
I WANT MY POINTS! Seriously this is ridiculous. Stop saying don't complain about free money. It's like in Chevy Chase's Christmas Vacation movie, when his boss removes bonuses but Clark had been planning to use that bonus for a pool. I had plans for my money, now I will not get it and my plans are done. They should have resolved this issue earlier or at least informed us of the closing of XTH earlier.
slowerpoke
PvP players can also vote in the XTH, and should actually make more RPs since they aren't random guessing
Symeon
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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
Actually, I'd be all for not seeing the XTH come back at all. It eliminates a chance for people to gain money for doing relatively nothing, prevents people from abusing the system through multiple accounts, and cuts back on needless crying about "why can't I get my points yet," or "what teams/people will win the tourney this month." Plus, it'll take time away from ANet's already busy schedule to fix this system and put it back into motion. I'd much rather know that time was spent on skill balances or bug fixes.
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Karate Jesus
Did half of this page just get deleted?
upier
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Originally Posted by oscarmac
The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn?
Playing through the game, opening high-end chests, finishing dungeons. That's the way PvE players get what they earn. None of which PvP players can do. Zaishen keys are a source of income to PvP only players who do not have access, nor care to grind through, the PvE rewards. |
Especially in a PvE game.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by upier
If PvP-ers have access to PvE rewards without doing PvE, what's wrong with PvE-ers getting PvP rewards without doing PvP?
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I don't know why people get so "PVP/PVE!" on this issue. Both sides get to have RPs and rewards, so what does it matter? Oh, and if you actually play pvp guess what? You get even more RPs! Congratulations! Now everyone stfu.
lilDeath
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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
The tournament is scheduled, but there will be no June voting. XTH is down for extended maintenance. We're working with the web team to get a notification message localized into multiple languages and up on the XTH website, so this should be up tomorrow.
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I am all for the stance you have taken on this matter. I cannot be bothered about voting being closed / getting no keys.
Fixing the issues at hand is much more important to ensure the stability of the XTH system. For all "we" (you) know other systems are also affected and pretty soon more and more problems crop up.
Thanks again and good luck.
Hyperventilate
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
Did half of this page just get deleted?
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FengShuiDove
It won't happen, but I'd rather have XTH shut down than have the hassle of endless complaints, failures, and debate every month. I enjoy the free keys as much as the next guy, but the last thing this community needs is one more thing to complain about, especially a justified complaint.
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Originally Posted by upier
If PvP-ers have access to PvE rewards without doing PvE, what's wrong with PvE-ers getting PvP rewards without doing PvP?
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SlamHelmut
Thanks for the title nerf!!! 3k away on buying unid'd golds before I get my god title. Should give us survivor on chars that were never eligible for this title..... thanks again....
Krill
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Originally Posted by oscarmac
Playing through the game, opening high-end chests, finishing dungeons. That's the way PvE players get what they earn. None of which PvP players can do. Zaishen keys are a source of income to PvP only players who do not have access, nor care to grind through, the PvE rewards.
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felwyn
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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
It won't happen, but I'd rather have XTH shut down than have the hassle of endless complaints, failures, and debate every month. I enjoy the free keys as much as the next guy, but the last thing this community needs is one more thing to complain about, especially a justified complaint.
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Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by Fanita
... SNIP! (QQ that's not worth repeating)... They should have resolved this issue earlier or at least informed us of the closing of XTH earlier.
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Hyperventilate
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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~
They've been trying to sort out and correct the problem with the new XTH thingie since it came up. And as for the lateness of their announcement of shutting it down, I would suspect that doing so was a "last resort" sort of thing so they could better concentrate on fixing the thing. No company in their right mind is going to take a popular part of their product line and shut it down without very good reason. (They kinda want to keep their customers, dont' cha know?)
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Bravo.
Couldn't have said it better myself. One would have to assume that taking down the XTH would have been the last thought on their mind.
Bug John
It's funny to watch how this thread turned into a "perma ban xth QQ" thread...
What I fail to understand is why Anet had to introduce a new design for xth, and how it completely broke everything. Couldn't they just keep debugging the first one until it is totally functional ?
What I fail to understand is why Anet had to introduce a new design for xth, and how it completely broke everything. Couldn't they just keep debugging the first one until it is totally functional ?
Tender Wolf
Wow I think half the posts did get deleted. Oh well.
Agreed that they probably shut down the XTH as a last resort. They were probably hoping to get it fixed before the next tournament started, but obviously it didn't happen. So we're out two months' worth of points. GG. Regardless, I'd rather they fix it and get it working right than get rid of it altogether. Something else they should do - let PVE chars get armor from the tournament agent with points like the PVP players do. lol Just kidding.
Might be cheaper but...yeah.
Agreed that they probably shut down the XTH as a last resort. They were probably hoping to get it fixed before the next tournament started, but obviously it didn't happen. So we're out two months' worth of points. GG. Regardless, I'd rather they fix it and get it working right than get rid of it altogether. Something else they should do - let PVE chars get armor from the tournament agent with points like the PVP players do. lol Just kidding.
Thamior Shamus
We're only out 1 month of RPs Tender Wolf.
Tender Wolf
^^ Oh, I meant we're out this month and next month's if they don't get it fixed. 
Hope that doesn't happen though. 
Hope that doesn't happen though.
Regina Buenaobra
Just a quick reminder: we didn't post a timeframe for bringing XTH back up. Of course we want to put it back up as soon as we can, but we haven't published any specifics. 
Minami
Thanks Regina, I think this thread needed that reminder.
I'm looking forward to the time when it's back up again and I can go vote ^_^
I'm looking forward to the time when it's back up again and I can go vote ^_^
Thamior Shamus
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^^ Oh, I meant we're out this month and next month's if they don't get it fixed.
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Apok Omen
They know that, Regina. But you have to understand: people on the outside of any authoritative spectrum often get into conspiracy-theory crafting.
Example: Customer sees an ad in the junk mail about a sale on a specific item in a market. Once they get up to the check stand, the normal price is shown instead of the sale price. The item that was on sale required the customer to have a certain loyalties card in order to recieve the benefit, and the customer neglected to read that part. Instead of being embarrased, they get angry, thinking that the store is trying to screw them out of a deal. And so the hysteria builds up as more customers hear him ranting.
Basically, the same thing is happening here: PvE'ers who spent RL money on extra accounts just to manipulate the prediction rewards are getting upset because they can no longer recieve benefits for something they believe they earned. It doesn't matter if you say that the XTH is down or screwing up or hacked; as long as the final answer is that they cannot reap the benefits they believe they deserve, they will rage and start theorizing conspiracies.
Example: Customer sees an ad in the junk mail about a sale on a specific item in a market. Once they get up to the check stand, the normal price is shown instead of the sale price. The item that was on sale required the customer to have a certain loyalties card in order to recieve the benefit, and the customer neglected to read that part. Instead of being embarrased, they get angry, thinking that the store is trying to screw them out of a deal. And so the hysteria builds up as more customers hear him ranting.
Basically, the same thing is happening here: PvE'ers who spent RL money on extra accounts just to manipulate the prediction rewards are getting upset because they can no longer recieve benefits for something they believe they earned. It doesn't matter if you say that the XTH is down or screwing up or hacked; as long as the final answer is that they cannot reap the benefits they believe they deserve, they will rage and start theorizing conspiracies.
Minami
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Originally Posted by Apok Omen
*snip*
Basically, the same thing is happening here: PvE'ers who spent RL money on extra accounts just to manipulate the prediction rewards are getting upset because they can no longer recieve benefits for something they believe they earned. It doesn't matter if you say that the XTH is down or screwing up or hacked; as long as the final answer is that they cannot reap the benefits they believe they deserve, they will rage and start theorizing conspiracies. |
Raging about it is beneath me, and I am only too happy that ANet is working on it, making it work good for everybody who uses it.
Gogo ANet XTH team!
Jessyi
Just double payouts for July predictions, imo.
Cacheelma
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
While I do somewhat agree with you, what else can we do than sugercoat them? They already have our money, over 6 million copies sold. A part of those are extra accounts that players bought to get more z-keys. We're totally at their mercy.
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Oh, GW community.
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Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive
Us being at "A-Net's mercy" is the biggest load of excretory waste I've ever heard.
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Cale Roughstar
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Originally Posted by Jessyi
Just double payouts for July predictions, imo.
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I don't especially care that we aren't going to have June's MAT available for predictions, sucks but meh...
What just nibbles at the back of my mind is that the system that had already been working quite well, got taken down for something that is crashed and burned in spectacular fashion.
At least they are keeping us posted as best they can, which is a huge improvement over the SILENCE that we are used to.
rick1027
im not crazy about having the xunlai down but i want em to fix it right lets get it right and thanks for keeping us informed regina my eyes are glued for any news
Martin Alvito
Verbiage is poor, but there's some logic to the argument. Runs like this:
a) Player buys account with expectation of being able to cash in on freebies.
b) Game company takes said freebies away.
c) Player is upset because, given knowledge that game company would take away the freebies, player would not have made the decision to purchase account.
Of course, ANet has every incentive to restore XTH as soon as possible, so there's no need to worry. XTH and the Traveler sell accounts, plain and simple.
Long story short: they're taking XTH down because they've finally realized that they're expending tremendous support resources on the silly thing. Best solution for ANet is to come up with something that "works" consistently and make everyone "whole" after the fact with bonus zkeys.
Of course, they would be smart to precommit to that strategy with an announcement to silence the QQ and compel the programming team to follow through on it.
a) Player buys account with expectation of being able to cash in on freebies.
b) Game company takes said freebies away.
c) Player is upset because, given knowledge that game company would take away the freebies, player would not have made the decision to purchase account.
Of course, ANet has every incentive to restore XTH as soon as possible, so there's no need to worry. XTH and the Traveler sell accounts, plain and simple.
Long story short: they're taking XTH down because they've finally realized that they're expending tremendous support resources on the silly thing. Best solution for ANet is to come up with something that "works" consistently and make everyone "whole" after the fact with bonus zkeys.
Of course, they would be smart to precommit to that strategy with an announcement to silence the QQ and compel the programming team to follow through on it.
tuna-fish_sushi
Aww, This is my only source of income in guildwars because my Graphics card is fried and I can play for about 5 minutes before I get a system malfunction :P
I agree with Martin I myself have 4 accounts (2 just for zaishen tourney)
I agree with Martin I myself have 4 accounts (2 just for zaishen tourney)
Dzjudz
With all the chatter about the XTH being down for an undecided amount of time, I'd really like to receive the rewards for the May predictions now 
. I thought Regina said in post one of this thread that
What's the hold-up?
Or does the XTH being down also mean that the rewards won't be distributed?
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Originally Posted by Regina
We have the correct point distribution records of all those who participated in the Xunlai Tournament House for the May tournaments, and they will get the correct number of points, whether they contacted Customer Support or not.
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Or does the XTH being down also mean that the rewards won't be distributed?
SerenitySilverstar
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c) Player is upset because, given knowledge that game company would take away the freebies, player would not have made the decision to purchase account.
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Some people take it way too personally.