Confirmation that the Live Team is going after SF this year

Razon

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Prepare for epic lols!

beaverlegions

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Hmm I'm glad I didnt spend any cash on my sin.
I can already see a thread created where everyone will post the name of their sin which they deleted after the nerf.

HawkofStorms

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Originally Posted by Pleikki View Post
Well ppl saying it will kill Gw For good. well. ppl said the same thing when Ursan was nerfed.. thena gain. when Cryway was nerfed. now once again theres nerf and ppl say its end of the gw...

ppl just seem not get it.. :P
The only people who complain about nerfs to OP stuff are the people who can't think for themselves and just copy the build off PvX.
Everybody will moan and complain about SF being nerfed. Some people may even quit. But the majority who do will eventually come back because thy enjoy the game (and not just SF), and want their phat loot. By then, players who actually have a brain will have developed the next new super farm/build, and all the sheep will return to doing that and thinking they are leet because of it.

@Cobalt: Nobody... and I mean nobody, doesn't buy a game he's never played before because a skill he has never heard of gets nerfed. If anything, SF has increased the number of sales of games for A.net. After all, in order to run it, you need to have skills from multiple games.
You are the exact kind of player that SF and other stuff is catered too, and the kind of player guru doesn't want.

Aussie Boy

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Join Date: Mar 2007

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I have a sf perma char for event drops only not UW or them places
But WHO CARES aren't we all deserting GW1 when GW2 comes out.
Nothing in GW1 will be worth anything including the super rare minis and right down to ectos used to buy them.
Just hope they learn from GW1 and don't make the same mistakes in GW2... yeah right. lol

Pleikki

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Originally Posted by beaverlegions View Post
Hmm I'm glad I didnt spend any cash on my sin.
I can already see a thread created where everyone will post the name of their sin which they deleted after the nerf.
Lol this aint actually true. Ive Got sin. had for years. but never done uwsc orso.. Theres loads other uses for sins also..

FengShuiDove

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Originally Posted by Pleikki View Post
Lol this aint actually true. Ive Got sin. had for years. but never done uwsc orso.. Theres loads other uses for sins also..
Thank you, and thank all the other people who realize that Sins are much more than permanent maintenance of Shadow Form.

This post will be ignored, because every time I say something about it it's ignored, but I'll try yet again anyway.

When I first made my Assassin, I was poking around for builds and messing with elites and discovered the permanent Shadow Form combination. This is before the release of GW:EN even. Using that and a crappy dagger chain, I was able to solo a few bosses and run through quite a bit. Eventually, I found the Radiation Field, Ether Nightmare, Cry of Pain, Channeling version and was able to pretty effectively solo the Chamber in UW. No one from Guru believed me (List your favorite farming build? Perma? Nah it sucks.). No one from even my guild believed me until I convinced them to SS for me and saw how well it worked. At this point (now after the release of GW:EN, obviously), the Planes farm with the A/Me build close to what I had been using sprung up. Go look up the thread. STILL nobody jumped on it.

It wasn't until the PvP/PvE split for Shadow Form that it became an issue. With the buff, A/E came along, allowing about a billion more options. What's even funnier is that nobody I showed the A/Me variant to could ever run it. Yes, it took more skill to run the original perma than most other farming builds out there. It depended on precision timing, knowledge of mobs, and proper placement for energy management. No one could seem to figure it out. Heck, even today's Chambers use Essences so they don't have to mess with watching the recharge. It was the 1-2-3 on recharge A/E variant that became popular because it was easy.

Slowly we got to where we are now, with perma being a huge issue. Let it be known that I haven't used the skill in probably 3-4 months, and guess what, my Assassin still functions extremely well. To all the Sin haters out there: just like with Shadow Form, you can shut your mouth until you've tried it. Don't base your opinions off what you hear in-game from the lamers in Kamadan arguing about Assassins sucking without SF. Your ignorance is no excuse for your constant assault on the profession. In fact, it's an excellent defense against your assault.

Long story short: you're an idiot if you delete your Assassin when/if Shadow Form gets nerfed, and quite frankly, you're an idiot if you think they're worthless without it.

[sarcasm]I will delete my Monk though if 600/Smite gets nerfed. They're super pointless without it.[/sarcasm]

Verene

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Lol this aint actually true. Ive Got sin. had for years. but never done uwsc orso.. Theres loads other uses for sins also..
Agreed. My assassin was the first character I really played with. I never even tried out SF until a few months ago.

And I hate it. It's extremely boring, and I also found it very slow (I tried it again this past week farming to get Nick gifts. Took forever).

But then again, I'm also one of those weirdos that ran a scythe build on my 'sin and didn't like that either Daggers for me, please. I'll play it the way the profession is meant to be played.

reaper with no name

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

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About damn time.

Technically, 600 probably deserves a nerf too, but that's never going to happen, so, you know.

Just don't forget about ER and dervishes, Anet. Those need to be fixed, too.

Trader of Secrets

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Its kinda hard to keep somethings soloable when nerfing skills that make it so. They probably will make the area harder. Like what they did to the chaos plains way back when they used to melee.

dr love

dr love

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Hyperion

starcraft 2

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just cause SF is removed doesn't mean things will change that much. you'll just see a lot more monks farming. rangers, mesmers, dervs, paras you can all hold your breath because you're still not going to find 'balanced' grps. dungeons, missions, quests will still be run, because its faster then hacking it in some pug grp. the game has matured too far to have people forming up often for 'balanced' clears

Koning

Koning

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Best gw news in more than a year.

Ariena Najea

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Silence and Motion

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Buffalo NY

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55 with PI wont work i think, 600 is godlike.
and 55HP monks will dominate UW together with 600HP monks and terra tanks.
i heard that spell breaker + glyph of swiftness + blessed aura @ 16 divine = perma spell breaker .
Pain Inverter damage is dealt before Protective Spirit is calculated. It works like a charm, and doesn't require the player to know the pattern the trappers use Healing Spring in.

Assassin was also my first, character, and I never used Shadow Form until about a year ago. I had a great time ganking priority targets and doing more than select+space.

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Join Date: May 2008

maybe this will balance ecto prices again...
lol ofc it won't people will find ways to overfarm them very soon
UWSC is so annoying these days with all the failers that this is good news no matter what way you look at it...
*cheers*

wilebill

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

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Whatever solution ANet adopts to exploits such as UWSC speed clears will cast its shadow on GW2; so they must be careful how they deal with this exploit. ANet really does not need more negative nerf buzz among the general player populace right now. Oh, I do agree there is a problem; it is just a much bigger problem than it looks like.

Munkypoo7

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Its about time, 'nuff said.

Axel Zinfandel

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Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

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I hope they either change the skill completely, or simply nerf it's use in high end PvE. I don't mind SF being used for farming, esspecially with buffs to some skills (hundred blades) making many things that were farmable, unfarmable with SF.

I'd really like to see it changed completely though. I can live with not being able to farm with SF on my sin.

AngeliqueSynner

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Join Date: Aug 2008

Florida, USA

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I don't see why people are complaining, the death of one farming build only spawns another more powerful one. :/
Shadowform might die and there's nothing that's going to stop it happening, so quit whining and find another use for your assassin. It's not that hard. :]

refer

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Join Date: Jan 2009

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That post is so full of fail. It was already prevalent and already an issue.

If they do change it, it'll be after GW2 is out.

Trub

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Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

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Originally Posted by refer View Post
That post is so full of fail. It was already prevalent and already an issue.

If they do change it, it'll be after GW2 is out.
Just to confirm - Shadow Form is on the Live Team's big list of things to do this year. ~DC #GuildWars

GW2 beta maybe this year......

StueyG

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I hope they completely change the skill. It is abused in many situations - being able to run through dungeons is ridiculous as well. Solo'ing Slavers? I understand that dungeons can take a bit of time without a runner (boo hoo?) but if you have a good balanced team it can go pretty fast.

And the UWSC is just dumb.

(Datura)

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Join Date: Apr 2008

South East

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This should be about what's best for the game.
Since Monk and sin are way ahead of the other classes at solo farming, nerfing one should mean nerfing the other. Instead of that leave Shadow Form like it is or undo the damage reduction but make UwSc's impossible by environment changes and make Dungeon Runs, Impossible for both classes.

Since you can't go back in time and un create shadow form or undo the imbalance it's caused and un-amass the wealth it's rewarded because of it's abuse then why change it again? We all know it's broken but without SF solo farming then Monk is the only serious farming class. I think that would break the game.

Smiters booning Shadow Form should mean Smiters booning 600/55.
at this point in the game...just nerf the problem areas

AtomicMew

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Join Date: Apr 2005

N/A

Just stupid.... Nerf SF and UWSC if you want. Go ahead and kill the remnants of enjoyment from this game.

I won't complain. When ecto prices double in value, I'll be twice as rich and those of you complaining 24/7 about UWSC will be poorer than ever.

Abedeus

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Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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Originally Posted by nanase ren View Post
LOL if u made that skill like that it will be come an unused skill again like most are.
there are alrdy skills that increase attack speed and crit wats the point of making an elite that loses HP to lmao.
You mean Assassin Skills? And usable with, let's say, Scythes? In PvE, yes. PvP? No. And perma-critical scythe.... mrrr.

Cuilan

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I'll be twice as rich and those of you complaining 24/7 about UWSC will be poorer than ever.
Generally it's pretty hard to be poor in Guild Wars unless you spend on countless mesmer armor or rarely log in.

Scary

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name View Post
About damn time.

Technically, 600 probably deserves a nerf too, but that's never going to happen, so, you know.

Just don't forget about ER and dervishes, Anet. Those need to be fixed, too.
That they are goin to nerve SF.. well, understandable.

Duo 600.. well it isnt solo is it

Arkantos

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I won't complain. When ecto prices double in value, I'll be twice as rich and those of you complaining 24/7 about UWSC will be poorer than ever.
If by poorer you mean richer, then yeah, I will be, thanks. Pretty sure you don't have to UWSC to get a bunch of ectos.

Anyways, I'm happy they're going to do something about it. If they actually nerf it, I'm going to go look in the riverside threads about SF, quote everyone who said 'lol ur dum if u think dey will nerf sf', and say sup.

Age

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Originally Posted by Riot Procs View Post
Smiters booning Shadow Form should mean Smiters booning 600/55.
at this point in the game...just nerf the problem areas
This is why a lot of players left the game nerfing the areas when rend enchantmant was added to dying nightmares and some other areas.I would say those without Sins way to late.I never really got the chance to find a SS Necro to do 55/SS UW.I would of but this happened.

moriz

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Originally Posted by traversc View Post
Just stupid.... Nerf SF and UWSC if you want. Go ahead and kill the remnants of enjoyment from this game.

I won't complain. When ecto prices double in value, I'll be twice as rich and those of you complaining 24/7 about UWSC will be poorer than ever.
until your masses of ecto can actually buy yourself a stronger character, you can stuff your virtual currency where the sun don't shine. don't know about anyone else, but i find it hard to care about some virtual currency that's even worthless in the game it resides in.

careyt

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Originally Posted by traversc View Post
Just stupid.... Nerf SF and UWSC if you want. Go ahead and kill the remnants of enjoyment from this game.

I won't complain. When ecto prices double in value, I'll be twice as rich and those of you complaining 24/7 about UWSC will be poorer than ever.
I'll never understand this attitude. which is why I'll be very glad if SF gets nerfed and people like you leave because of it. Having lots of gold/platinum doesn't make you play the game any better. Farming isn't what Guild Wars is about. The story and the PvP play is what it's about. PvE is a lot more than just farming to get gold and "leet" items. When you can beat the game with a balanced team and not exploit an imba skill just to get useless money to buy useless minipets or tonics or "better" weapons because you have more gold than me, THEN and only then will I care about in game money.

Devika

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I wanna see the QQ's stream all across this forum, and watch all the pro farmers ragequit.
It won't affect the pro farmers in the slightest. They'll just use something else.

Enon

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Just stupid.... Nerf SF and UWSC if you want. Go ahead and kill the remnants of enjoyment from this game.
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Originally Posted by traversc View Post
I won't complain.
Do you see what I see..?

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Originally Posted by traversc View Post
When ecto prices double in value, I'll be twice as rich and those of you complaining 24/7 about UWSC will be poorer than ever.
Why exactly do you cry like a 4 year old who's favorite toy is about to be taken away because he misbehaved (read: abused)?

Someone said it before and I'll say it again: A skill that grants almost invincibility should have never been placed in game to begin with!

And FYI - I consider myself 'fairly' rich in game and I have never used a perma to farm.

MissyX

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2008

We Gat Dis [HRUU]

This is not a flame because im actually interested.
Those that are happy about SF about to be excluded from the game how do you play?

I see lots of "Im going to lol" and "About time" but Ive played the game thro with all nearly all profs, Im a title "ho" so ive not only played it NM and HM too. Ive played thro with challenges like going for Guardian pugging, completing games with full teams and no heros.

Ive done UW and FoW with balanced teams and the hrs it takes with the brb's is painful because anything more than 30 mins, we start to hear the I need drinks, Mum shouted, Bio breaks, actually this list is endless.

Some people do NOT want to PvP so this is not an option.

Like I say I am interested on how YOU play after 4yrs, and I look foward to seeing And tbh is more the hardcore player that plays more than 3hrs a day, and yes my guild is full of people that actually play at minimum 4hrs a day. PvE only.

Bathal Nasp

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

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I casually farm crap on my perma (some of the UW, feathers, etc) and I made most of the money I've started trading with by kegfarming during holiday weekends. I definately won't complain if SF gets nerfed into oblivion though, because there have always been ways to earn money in this game.

p.s. Shadow Form is more boring than watching paint dry. If I'm gonna be slightly poorer but get to spend more time on my necro (even if I just end up in Kamadan half the time anyway) then so be it.

EPO Bot

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Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

It's about time people used assassins to stab monks and nukers with daggers again instead of waving their arms aroud in front of them shouting "Fail to hit me!"

Also the whole "Running zq, 3K"- culture bring me to tears.

GourangaPizza

GourangaPizza

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

R/W

Damn it is so fun to earn ectos easily without actually doing UWSC by selling consets to them lot.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

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Done.

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Originally Posted by moriz View Post
until your masses of ecto can actually buy yourself a stronger character, you can stuff your virtual currency where the sun don't shine. don't know about anyone else, but i find it hard to care about some virtual currency that's even worthless in the game it resides in.
Yet, it's exactly this reason why SF is being looked at.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos View Post
If by poorer you mean richer, then yeah, I will be, thanks. Pretty sure you don't have to UWSC to get a bunch of ectos.

Anyways, I'm happy they're going to do something about it. If they actually nerf it, I'm going to go look in the riverside threads about SF, quote everyone who said 'lol ur dum if u think dey will nerf sf', and say sup.
Because I am one lazy-ass bastard, mind also gathering all the quotes on how the nerf will bring new life to "playing" the game?
I need a good laugh.

dunky_g

dunky_g

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

[SNOW]

Who cares, things like this come and go, but people always find new ways of farming, it might take a bit longer, or might be harder to run, but people will find it.

Hopefully its balanced teams that take a hour to do FoW or UW that comes next

Hugh Manatee

Hugh Manatee

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Join Date: May 2007

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I always liked how players are all "I hope they nerf this out of the game but they leave my *insert imbalanced X here* alone or i'll wtfragebbq"...

Seriously, all these mobs composed of 1 class and 1 build were a bad idea(like the griffons), each mob you fight should be decently balanced(like the guys they replaced the griffons with, only I'd diversify them a little more, more monk bugs and maybe mesmer bugs). Each mob you fight should be like fighting a mini GvG or HA team(kinda like the charr in eotn or the dwarves in vloxx, but build tweaks to counter enchants, like PBAoE or touch skills), you got like a 1000+ skills to use and can create monster only skills to suplement them... Stuff like 600/smite and SF just shouldn't be possible with this sort of diversity, just like these gimmicks are impractical in PvP.

Second problem, is that this speed clear solo crap is actually more profitable and faster then playing in a full team(whether that team is H&H or humes) Make it equally profitable to play in a full balanced team and people will play in full teams, diversify the teams so stuff like assassins ganking a high priority target while mesmers shut down healers is a useful, even necessary tactic, instead of having a tank out front and 5 nukers with HB monks propping the party up.

spun ducky

spun ducky

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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I see no reason for concern. I have been a major build maker since early guildwars betas, at least in a closed aspect. I now share my builds such as the spirit wall with the public for farming. I do this because Adaptability is a prime feature of life forms and players for an mmorpg. If SF is nerfed which I won't be broken hearted over since I have used it but not in an over zealous manner I shall evolve to my environment.

rkubik

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Really I wish they would leave it alone and spend time on something else. SF is an option and not an end all. All areas of the game can be completed without SF. SF just happens to make it easier for some people and for some people they see it as a challenge. I am not one of those people but after 4 years I am tired of seeing stuff always nerfed with no new content. SF has its place as a way people enjoy the game, not all people but some. I really think A-net will be making a mistake doing anything really drastic to SF especially to a game that is on its last leg and the more players they have the more that may roll into GW2 or continue to buy the different campaigns of the game.

I think if they remove SF as we know it the scar would be too deep and many players would just say screw it and not buy another game with A-net. I will continue to play GW but if there is also no new content and a major nerf it will leave a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe they could create a SF only zone with crappy drops and major repetition. Oh wait that would just be too close to the actual game. Just my two cents.