Confirmation that the Live Team is going after SF this year

This should be about what's best for the game.
Since Monk and sin are way ahead of the other classes at solo farming, nerfing one should mean nerfing the other. Instead of that leave Shadow Form like it is or undo the damage reduction but make UwSc's impossible by environment changes and make Dungeon Runs, Impossible for both classes.

Since you can't go back in time and un create shadow form or undo the imbalance it's caused and un-amass the wealth it's rewarded because of it's abuse then why change it again? We all know it's broken but without SF solo farming then Monk is the only serious farming class. I think that would break the game.

Smiters booning Shadow Form should mean Smiters booning 600/55.
at this point in the game...just nerf the problem areas

Just stupid.... Nerf SF and UWSC if you want. Go ahead and kill the remnants of enjoyment from this game.

I won't complain. When ecto prices double in value, I'll be twice as rich and those of you complaining 24/7 about UWSC will be poorer than ever.

You mean Assassin Skills? And usable with, let's say, Scythes? In PvE, yes. PvP? No. And perma-critical scythe.... mrrr.

Generally it's pretty hard to be poor in Guild Wars unless you spend on countless mesmer armor or rarely log in.

That they are goin to nerve SF.. well, understandable.

Duo 600.. well it isnt solo is it

If by poorer you mean richer, then yeah, I will be, thanks. Pretty sure you don't have to UWSC to get a bunch of ectos.

Anyways, I'm happy they're going to do something about it. If they actually nerf it, I'm going to go look in the riverside threads about SF, quote everyone who said 'lol ur dum if u think dey will nerf sf', and say sup.

This is why a lot of players left the game nerfing the areas when rend enchantmant was added to dying nightmares and some other areas.I would say those without Sins way to late.I never really got the chance to find a SS Necro to do 55/SS UW.I would of but this happened.

until your masses of ecto can actually buy yourself a stronger character, you can stuff your virtual currency where the sun don't shine. don't know about anyone else, but i find it hard to care about some virtual currency that's even worthless in the game it resides in.

I'll never understand this attitude. which is why I'll be very glad if SF gets nerfed and people like you leave because of it. Having lots of gold/platinum doesn't make you play the game any better. Farming isn't what Guild Wars is about. The story and the PvP play is what it's about. PvE is a lot more than just farming to get gold and "leet" items. When you can beat the game with a balanced team and not exploit an imba skill just to get useless money to buy useless minipets or tonics or "better" weapons because you have more gold than me, THEN and only then will I care about in game money.

It won't affect the pro farmers in the slightest. They'll just use something else.

Do you see what I see..?

Why exactly do you cry like a 4 year old who's favorite toy is about to be taken away because he misbehaved (read: abused)?

Someone said it before and I'll say it again: A skill that grants almost invincibility should have never been placed in game to begin with!

And FYI - I consider myself 'fairly' rich in game and I have never used a perma to farm.

This is not a flame because im actually interested.
Those that are happy about SF about to be excluded from the game how do you play?

I see lots of "Im going to lol" and "About time" but Ive played the game thro with all nearly all profs, Im a title "ho" so ive not only played it NM and HM too. Ive played thro with challenges like going for Guardian pugging, completing games with full teams and no heros.

Ive done UW and FoW with balanced teams and the hrs it takes with the brb's is painful because anything more than 30 mins, we start to hear the I need drinks, Mum shouted, Bio breaks, actually this list is endless.

Some people do NOT want to PvP so this is not an option.

Like I say I am interested on how YOU play after 4yrs, and I look foward to seeing And tbh is more the hardcore player that plays more than 3hrs a day, and yes my guild is full of people that actually play at minimum 4hrs a day. PvE only.

I casually farm crap on my perma (some of the UW, feathers, etc) and I made most of the money I've started trading with by kegfarming during holiday weekends. I definately won't complain if SF gets nerfed into oblivion though, because there have always been ways to earn money in this game.

p.s. Shadow Form is more boring than watching paint dry. If I'm gonna be slightly poorer but get to spend more time on my necro (even if I just end up in Kamadan half the time anyway) then so be it.

It's about time people used assassins to stab monks and nukers with daggers again instead of waving their arms aroud in front of them shouting "Fail to hit me!"

Also the whole "Running zq, 3K"- culture bring me to tears.

Damn it is so fun to earn ectos easily without actually doing UWSC by selling consets to them lot.

Yet, it's exactly this reason why SF is being looked at.

Because I am one lazy-ass bastard, mind also gathering all the quotes on how the nerf will bring new life to "playing" the game?
I need a good laugh.

Who cares, things like this come and go, but people always find new ways of farming, it might take a bit longer, or might be harder to run, but people will find it.

Hopefully its balanced teams that take a hour to do FoW or UW that comes next

I always liked how players are all "I hope they nerf this out of the game but they leave my *insert imbalanced X here* alone or i'll wtfragebbq"...

Seriously, all these mobs composed of 1 class and 1 build were a bad idea(like the griffons), each mob you fight should be decently balanced(like the guys they replaced the griffons with, only I'd diversify them a little more, more monk bugs and maybe mesmer bugs). Each mob you fight should be like fighting a mini GvG or HA team(kinda like the charr in eotn or the dwarves in vloxx, but build tweaks to counter enchants, like PBAoE or touch skills), you got like a 1000+ skills to use and can create monster only skills to suplement them... Stuff like 600/smite and SF just shouldn't be possible with this sort of diversity, just like these gimmicks are impractical in PvP.

Second problem, is that this speed clear solo crap is actually more profitable and faster then playing in a full team(whether that team is H&H or humes) Make it equally profitable to play in a full balanced team and people will play in full teams, diversify the teams so stuff like assassins ganking a high priority target while mesmers shut down healers is a useful, even necessary tactic, instead of having a tank out front and 5 nukers with HB monks propping the party up.

I see no reason for concern. I have been a major build maker since early guildwars betas, at least in a closed aspect. I now share my builds such as the spirit wall with the public for farming. I do this because Adaptability is a prime feature of life forms and players for an mmorpg. If SF is nerfed which I won't be broken hearted over since I have used it but not in an over zealous manner I shall evolve to my environment.

Really I wish they would leave it alone and spend time on something else. SF is an option and not an end all. All areas of the game can be completed without SF. SF just happens to make it easier for some people and for some people they see it as a challenge. I am not one of those people but after 4 years I am tired of seeing stuff always nerfed with no new content. SF has its place as a way people enjoy the game, not all people but some. I really think A-net will be making a mistake doing anything really drastic to SF especially to a game that is on its last leg and the more players they have the more that may roll into GW2 or continue to buy the different campaigns of the game.

I think if they remove SF as we know it the scar would be too deep and many players would just say screw it and not buy another game with A-net. I will continue to play GW but if there is also no new content and a major nerf it will leave a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe they could create a SF only zone with crappy drops and major repetition. Oh wait that would just be too close to the actual game. Just my two cents.