not a huge drop and that will recover in a day or two
Red Resigns: What will Anet do about this?
Chop it Off
the least ive seen people selling em for is 3.8k and tons buying em for 4k.
not a huge drop and that will recover in a day or two
not a huge drop and that will recover in a day or two
wilderness
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I got you really worked up there, didn't I? But maybe I touched on something important since you take such great offense. I can't come here and claim to be an expert on gaming addiction, but this emphasis on "working on my titles" with 'working' being the key word worries me. Also the fact that some of you are willing to dedicate so much time and anger towards "those who devalue my title!".
I have been skeptical towards the title system ever since it got implemented. It felt like people stopped doing activites they found enjoyable and spent more time on actions that were more cost-effective in terms of reaching the next tier in their title. I'm not so detached from human behaviour I don't see the motivation in having a goal to work towards, like your zaishen title. I just see this is as a more destructive incitament, not claiming to be an expert on gaming addiction here but this seems like something that will encourage such an addiction to me. I am a little worried that Anet doesn't feel more of a moral responsibility for creating said addiction. As a company their prime goal is to create money for their share holders, and what could be better than making your costumers dependent on your product? I think the tobacco industry has some nice results to show. They are obviously aware of the risk since you get a message that "you have been playing for 3 hours. please take a break". Unfortunately the ambiguity is crystal clear. In TA you get awarded incremental rewards the longer your winning streak is, 1 glad pt after 5 wins, 2 pts after 10 wins, 3 after 15 and finally 4 pts for every 5 wins there after. The thing is it takes roughly an hour for every 10 wins, so once you hit those 10 wins it pays to keep playing if your goal is the title. Meh, I guess I'm going off on a rant here that no one wants to hear about.. I notice that you try to insult me in all 3 of your paragraphs, and in your header as well. This is the guru way of doing it, isn't it? With the risk of sounding even more like a jerk on my high horse: I don't find that way of debating very constructive. I feel genuinely sorry if my previous post hurt you. It was meant as a wake-up call and to be provocative but in all my naivity I didn't mean to actually hurt anyone. But obviously when you label someone as "pathetic" that's hard to avoid. So if you would refrain from personal insults or deragotory comments in the future I would appreciate it and I will try to do the same. |
Firstly, I feel no anger toward you, merely sympathy and a little disgust. Boldness was for emphasis, not shouts.
Secondly, I never said 'working on' I said 'extending'. Stop imprinting your petty ideals on everyone.
Thirdly, the 'insults' I made were objective observation of your obvious need to attempt elevation above those who play the game in any way you deem unworthy. You are acting self-righteous, you are acting above it all, and this is a little pathetic. The guru way of doing things? no, simply how people respond to jerks who are trying to get their kicks insulting player demographics.
Again with the lack of understanding of irony...
And, lastly, addiction? Why does working on a title have to be anything to do with addiction? The fact that you can't fathom how another might simply enjoy the methodical nature of buying/selling/and extending a title again highlights your close-mindedness and ignorant mindset.
Feel free to keep up this little debate with me, just remember EVERYone can read this and you're as transparent as glass.
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Funny, haven't met a red that resigned yet. Still 100% victory at the moment, PvE'rs can't PvP </3.
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I doubt those of you not RRing are making 15 zkeys an hour (though I'm sure you'll assert otherwise). That you're boasting in this thread about 'playing', 'having fun' and 'winning' in HB is really quite pitiful.
To the topic, they couldn't realistically ban so many people. Perhaps they could add dishonour to HB, remove the faction reward or the quest itself. But with their resources so extremely stretched at the moment, I think they'll just leave it at removing HB.
Mr. Undisclosed
Lol most of the time the great majority of the people I know bring actual build when they rr. Go ahead and not resign a lot of people including myself are stubborn enough to just fight it out if it comes to that.
Sarevok Thordin
Just so you know, there are 14 American districts in HB right now, compared to the 5 max last week.
I think not as many people knew about this as I thought <_<
I think not as many people knew about this as I thought <_<
Chop it Off
rr has been happening for how many months now? and people are only complaining now? XD
zelgadissan
I did this for the first time last night for maybe two hours - I found myself getting bored and wanting to fight rather fast. I think I always resigned/left as red, but I know I fought a decent number of times as blue and only lost the very first one I played. Next Hero Battles day (if there is one) I'll just fight on both sides.
The best part was that I could literally stay in Primal Rage for its entire duration and hit it on recharge, because nobody even tried to get me out of it
The best part was that I could literally stay in Primal Rage for its entire duration and hit it on recharge, because nobody even tried to get me out of it
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Just so you know, there are 14 American districts in HB right now, compared to the 5 max last week.
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There where first 69 districts, then 43, and so on till 14 now.
*wow suddenly it whooped from 14 till 43!*
dr love
63 american districts.
11 international districts.
lol!!!!!!
11 international districts.
lol!!!!!!
Cracko
Sigh, last week there was only about 10 districts, now theres around 50.
RR'ing has nearly been nerfed by the own community, seeing as theres more idiots "hurr durr im gonna play this game so other people who are blue dont get their wins durrpty flurrr".
Stop talking about 'morale', you think you found a flaw in the system, but all you're doing is ripping your own butt next HB days, since people get tired of leaving when they are red, but not getting anything back when theyre blue.
so if you think youre beating the system, youre just beating yourself.
RR'ing has nearly been nerfed by the own community, seeing as theres more idiots "hurr durr im gonna play this game so other people who are blue dont get their wins durrpty flurrr".
Stop talking about 'morale', you think you found a flaw in the system, but all you're doing is ripping your own butt next HB days, since people get tired of leaving when they are red, but not getting anything back when theyre blue.
so if you think youre beating the system, youre just beating yourself.
ele pl
LOL at people that think deleting HB will solve the problem. There are plans to do RR in TA already. To fix it, they need to do what i posted some time ago about ridiculous high balth rewards - make balth rewards rely on bonuses. to get full fb reward, you have to do all bonuses.
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LOL at people that think deleting HB will solve the problem. There are plans to do RR in TA already.
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btw, TA will be deleted at the same time as HB
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Grj
What the "legit" people dont realise this is anet here, if they do take any action which i doubt they will, what makes you think you're immune to not getting banned?
Anet have a track record of misbanning on several occasions...
Oh i love the "legit" people with ~1k rating and 20k+ rank taking the game super serious, if you was anybody worth anything in hb would you have such a low ranking/rating in the first place?
Anet have a track record of misbanning on several occasions...
Oh i love the "legit" people with ~1k rating and 20k+ rank taking the game super serious, if you was anybody worth anything in hb would you have such a low ranking/rating in the first place?
Vdawg1337
They will Q.Q about it and than anet will ban people (probably peeps that did it the most)
Vazze
RR can actually work in TA too: rr teams need to go with griefing builds and force a draw against non-RR teams. That should discourage real teams from playing. lol
Zahr Dalsk
Pro-Tip: those of us coming into HB and not resigning on red, we aren't doing it because we want zaishen keys; we're doing it because we like griefing and Guild Wars offers precious few opportunities to grief people.
The anger and whining of a blue RR'er just before he leaves the game... it's glorious.
The anger and whining of a blue RR'er just before he leaves the game... it's glorious.
Fril Estelin
I've got a question: why are people abusing the system now via RR to boost their Commander title, while Linsey indicated that it'd be mutually exclusive from the new title associated to SD:
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zelgadissan
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I've got a question: why are people abusing the system now via RR to boost their Commander title, while Linsey indicated that it'd be mutually exclusive from the new title associated to SD:
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2) Faction from Zquest rewards (aka not really for the title)
wilderness
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They will Q.Q about it and than anet will ban people (probably peeps that did it the most)
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They're removing HB anyway, so what would be the harm in removing the quest?
Also, many players don't use the forum at all and have no idea Anet consider this as cheating. They see a large portion of the community exploiting an obvious design flaw to earn a few extra keys. Keys that will be used up on pointless titles and won't damge the market for more than a few days.
This is nothing like the dupe exploit that produced stacks of armbraces making the upper-high end items impossible to reach for legit traders as zkeys are pretty much a consumable and an abundance of them will only reduce the inflated prices of rare zchest drops potentially making the game more enjoyable for your average player.
Also, seeing as I've seen a few players in game who've retained their full trade+ of armbraces, there's plenty yet or Anet to do before they go about banning for 'cheating' 50 zkeys or so.
Zahr Dalsk
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I've got a question: why are people abusing the system now via RR to boost their Commander title, while Linsey indicated that it'd be mutually exclusive from the new title associated to SD:
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Thus, by getting it now, they're getting themselves what will feel to them like an exclusive title, and it'll make them feel better.
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Thus, by getting it now, they're getting themselves what will feel to them like an exclusive title, and it'll make them feel better.
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When I play Halo I get massive amounts of enjoyment from topping the post game board by obliterating my opponents.
When I play Scrabble and beat someone I consider my equal in terms of intelligence and ability, I feel proud of myself for ding well.
When I finish a title/find a unique item in GWs, I get kicks from flaunting that 'achievement' in the faces of other players.
If this makes me an arsehole, I guess I'll just accept that and counter your shaking fist emote with my r9 Zaishen.
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because Anet left an exploitable quest in-game after calling the use of said exploit a 'cheat'.
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Also, seeing as I've seen a few players in game who've retained their full trade+ of armbraces, there's plenty yet or Anet to do before they go about banning for 'cheating' 50 zkeys or so.
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wilderness
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They are calling it match manipulation, and not a cheat/exploit.
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Sensible banning is not somthing anet is known for. Just because other people get away with it doesnt mean some will get banned.
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Cracko
- wrong thread -
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I don't want to argue, you already proved that you are fiercly dedicated to RR. I think it's a terrible idea, and you obviously love it and farm the hell out of it.
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Fril Estelin
This RR seems to me like the simple PvP equivalent of mindless PvE farming (raptors are actually more difficult than typing /resign). It's in no way the "game" as it was intended, but rather a loophole in the game as it was implemented.
SithLord2064
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Your previous posts state that you feel good when you annoy other people and enjoy seeing their frustration and rage expressed on screen. Basking in other people's misery is a character flaw the way I see it.
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Griefing other players, however, is a much clearer breach of conduct.
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If that were the case, then I guess anyone playing as a Frustration/Interrupt Mesmer in PvP is included in your argument? After all, I LOVE hearing people bitch about how I'm a "noob" because I use Frustration. ^_^
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Also, no one is QQing because you're trying to play "legit." In fact, you shouldnt even be facing many RRers unless you're absolutely WTF terrible.
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In fact, you shouldnt even be facing RRers unless you're absolutely WTF terrible.
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~LeNa~
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I've got a question: why are people abusing the system now via RR to boost their Commander title, while Linsey indicated that it'd be mutually exclusive from the new title associated to SD:
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Plus what if you don't play SD or it turns out to be a steaming pile of shit?
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2)I don't care how fast they gain keys. They feed my keys + give me my title regardless of if I'm blue or red.
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Is it REALLY griefing if I'm playing the game as it is DESIGNED to be played by NOT resigning as Red? Frankly, I'm with everyone who doesn't resign as Red. And the people that QQ because I'm actually trying to do it the "legit" way by not resigning is hilarious, IMO.
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Of course, anyone above rating 800 complaining about it is an idiot.
Zahr Dalsk
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And if they enjoy this aspect of the game then your problem is what exactly?
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Learn to read, please.
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Not true. I occassionaly get matched up with "WTF terrible" ranked people who want me to leave when I am on red. It's rare, but, I do end up with matches against them from time to time.
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Is it supposed to be sarcasm? Are you saying that RRers are more "WTF terrible" than people who can't even get a rank above 800 on RR days?
makosi
There are two ways of looking at this situation:
1) Lose out by being law-abiding, dignified and abstaining from such risqué activities or,
2) Enjoy it while you can, exploit it to your heart's content and reap the benefits.
It reminds me of the bug that allowed players to repeatedly do EotN primary quests and recieve the first-time reputation rewards so that they could max their Delver title in 30 minutes. I chose to abstain, fearing an account suspension, and I only lost out. I won't make a mistake like that again.
1) Lose out by being law-abiding, dignified and abstaining from such risqué activities or,
2) Enjoy it while you can, exploit it to your heart's content and reap the benefits.
It reminds me of the bug that allowed players to repeatedly do EotN primary quests and recieve the first-time reputation rewards so that they could max their Delver title in 30 minutes. I chose to abstain, fearing an account suspension, and I only lost out. I won't make a mistake like that again.
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2) Enjoy it while you can, exploit it to your heart's content and reap the benefits.
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But the interesting thing I find with RR is that...
1.) This was organized by the community... not a couple of rouge people... this is welcomed by almost all players at the same time to benefit each other... so its almost like a community coming together for a common purpose... money and Commander
2.) The "Rouge Reds" are nothing more then people that are actually playing the game... so what is the problem with that? Ya it stinks they are not going with the RR idea... but you can't be mad at them for actually playing the game like its suppose to be played.
3.) Although looked as "Mindless Farming” I prefer to call it "A Day Off". Playing this game 4-5 days a week, I sometimes want day off from actually playing the game, and just sit back and chat with my in-game friends. So, what better way to do that then sit back, make a lot of money to get you through the next week of playing while chatting in game and on vent. Making a couple of clicks it’s not much of a grind. Yes, it gets monotonous after an hour of doing it... and I find myself browsing websites and watching YouTube... But, atleast I get to hang out with my friends and get to know them better "outside" of the game.
But overall, it’s hard to argue a community coordinated event like RR that allows you to make a lot of money and chat with your friends all day to set you up for the next week of gaming. Yes, it does take advantage of a broken system for a quest by ANET... but it is fairly well coordinated Community Event.
byteme!
After reading this thread I've decided to log in and play the resign game just to piss some of you off.
Keyspa
Some guy posted an idea earlier, to make this kinda like playing an FPS, like CS or sth. Make the gameplay good enough so that players will play it for no incentive other than fun.
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But overall, it’s hard to argue a community coordinated event like RR that allows you to make a lot of money and chat with your friends all day to set you up for the next week of gaming. Yes, it does take advantage of a broken system for a quest by ANET... but it is fairly well coordinated Community Event.
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I didn't even know people cared enough about this title to RR for it. As far as I knew people were doing it on HB z quest day for easy keys. In which case it is easily the fastest way to do it. Its also not true that the only people who do it are those who could never win otherwise. A lot of people intentionally tanked hundreds of ratings points to be in a position to never get anyone other than people who are cooperating.
Really, its just a more pervasive roll /100 event. If they want to do something about, the appropriate action would be to do something parallel to what they did with roll /100. Ideally, they let the good times roll until HB is gone.
Wild Rituals
How are they going to tell the people who hero battle for real from the ones who do this lame RR thing?
it would be to hard, because there was plenty of people like me actually playing hero battles for real to be able to ban everyone.
it would be to hard, because there was plenty of people like me actually playing hero battles for real to be able to ban everyone.