Red Resigns: What will Anet do about this?
R_Frost
simple fix, revert the may 7th update where the z-combat quests became repeatable. if anet is dumb enough to put in something like this that ends up getting abused, they shouldnt be surprised when it happens. people shouldnt even be considered for a temp banning or whatever anet decides to do after allowing this to go on for 4 months or more when they could of fixed this along time ago.
Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by tehlemming
If you're playing, why wouldn't you want to maximize the amount of commander points/keys you're getting? They're doing it at least twice as fast as you, per account.
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To the War + 3 healer guy saying he wins all his matchs, Congrats, but I've fought similar people with your idea to grief if they don't go along with RR and it never works (in my experience).
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Originally Posted by ShadowSpawnX
No we thank you for making rr day so special. Whenever I come across what we call a "rambo red" its great fun to proceed to crush the life out of them. I just found out about the rr day late yesterday, but whenever you rambo reds pop up its good times.
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Yawgmoth
What will Anet do - they will just remove the broken format altogether. It should be gone by now but they're slow as usual.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by R_Frost
simple fix, revert the may 7th update where the z-combat quests became repeatable
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Prior to that it was a quick F12->C->Delete Character->Make new character->Take quest again.
Now it's simply marginally faster, and also allows the retarded people (the ones who're afraid of deleting a PvP character) to repeat them.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
They've always been repeatable, so to speak; the only difference is that now you only need to change districts.
Prior to that it was a quick F12->C->Delete Character->Make new character->Take quest again. Now it's simply marginally faster, and also allows the retarded people (the ones who're afraid of deleting a PvP character) to repeat them. |
Either way, it doesn't matter. They'll probably remove HB before the next RR day anyway.
kupp
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
Thats the brilliance of it, It's not 2x as fast because they leave within 30 seconds because they know I'm not going to leave.
To the War + 3 healer guy saying he wins all his matchs, Congrats, but I've fought similar people with your idea to grief if they don't go along with RR and it never works (in my experience). |
That 3 healers team is to make sure they won't be able to do just that. Out of the 6 people I caught that just didn't feel like resigning, only one beat me and the other 5 either lost by legit gameplay or resigned themselves when they realized they were actually gonna have to battle me to the end. Kind of like stopping a bully on a kindergarden.
wilderness
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Where exactly did I say I have a problem with people acquiring commander?
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Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by kupp
Hold on, I never said I won every match, but I simply won't allow people to do what they want when they're not following the rules set by the community. I'd understand if all they'd want to do is to play the game legit but that's why those people will rank up and start fighting others like him instead of hanging around in the RR'ers ranks.
That 3 healers team is to make sure they won't be able to do just that. Out of the 6 people I caught that just didn't feel like resigning, only one beat me and the other 5 either lost by legit gameplay or resigned themselves when they realized they were actually gonna have to battle me to the end. Kind of like stopping a bully on a kindergarden. |
And yeah, people who don't RR are exactly like bullys at kindergarden. Grrr how dare they play the game when I'M trying to abuse the system!
kupp
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
Not following the rules set by the community? Theres a reason the community doesn't get to make rules, RR is a perfect example. It's pretty much free Zkeys and Zcoins for no effort. How about we get other parts of GW to set there own rules ae? Lets go over to the UWSC'ers and give them mod powers, I bet that would improve the game.
And yeah, people who don't RR are exactly like bullys at kindergarden. Grrr how dare they play the game when I'M trying to abuse the system! |
Premium Unleaded
So I did about 2 hours of this rr'ing yesterday and faced about 10 reds who didn't resign. 9 of them refused to and I proceeded to roll them easily enough (lol, half of them were running discord trios) - a few even raged at me when the match finished and threw insults at me. The fact that I was torrenting some TV shows at the same time just says plenty about their (lack of) ability to back up their chioce, frankly.
The last one I lost. Well, he asked me nicely to fight before the match started since he wanted to test some build out, so of course I obliged
oh yeah, we realised that we were idling in the same vent channel about a minute into the game since I just finished infusing for his HA team ~1 hour ago, so lol.
They really need to delete the joke that is HB, but until then, no reason not to jump on the gravytrain I always come prepared to actually play the match anyway, but honestly, what is the actual point of doing it properly? It's a complete digression in what it is compared to what this game's PvP is about.
The last one I lost. Well, he asked me nicely to fight before the match started since he wanted to test some build out, so of course I obliged
oh yeah, we realised that we were idling in the same vent channel about a minute into the game since I just finished infusing for his HA team ~1 hour ago, so lol.They really need to delete the joke that is HB, but until then, no reason not to jump on the gravytrain
I always come prepared to actually play the match anyway, but honestly, what is the actual point of doing it properly? It's a complete digression in what it is compared to what this game's PvP is about.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Premium Unleaded
So I did about 2 hours of this rr'ing yesterday and faced about 10 reds who didn't resign. 9 of them refused to and I proceeded to roll them easily enough (lol, half of them were running discord trios) - a few even raged at me when the match finished and threw insults at me. The fact that I was torrenting some TV shows at the same time just says plenty about their (lack of) ability to back up their chioce, frankly.
The last one I lost. Well, he asked me nicely to fight before the match started since he wanted to test some build out, so of course I obliged oh yeah, we realised that we were idling in the same vent channel about a minute into the game since I just finished infusing for his HA team ~1 hour ago, so lol.They really need to delete the joke that is HB, but until then, no reason not to jump on the gravytrain I always come prepared to actually play the match anyway, but honestly, what is the actual point of doing it properly? It's a complete digression in what it is compared to what this game's PvP is about. |
The good news is that it is TONS of fun to ram through terrible HB teams running stuff like discordway, RoJway, and lolspike builds that can't kill 1 hero.
My favorite part is when they have no idea what splitting is....or capping for that matter.
EDIT: Oh, and you're right. They should definitely delete it. I should not be able to gain two PvP title ranks in just 1 week (w/o ever having done it before).
Winstar
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
Thats the brilliance of it, It's not 2x as fast because they leave within 30 seconds because they know I'm not going to leave.
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Many people also enjoy beating the people who refuse to resign because anyone who is sitting at r 968 and insists on playing is likely pretty god awful.
Taddayo Kun
Along the same lines as most others really. HB is being removed, and it's hb's design that made rr possible, since there is no dishonour for leaving there is no penalty stopping this from being thought up. Not to mention that the idea of red resign would (and has) be laughed at in any other pvp format. Today after rr finished people tried to transfer the concept over to TA. Needless to say, it didn't work.
Nobody has cared about HB for a long time and it's taken this long for anet to do anything about it. It has even taken the throwing of tournement matches in a similar manner and abusing of z combat (which anet made repeatable on purpose) to make them realise they have a dead format that needs changing.
HB will be dead soon, replaced with something new. I cannot help but think rr at least played a small part in this. So hooray for RR day for finally making the live team pay attention!
One more thing, the economy is not ruined. Since the absence of the XTH zkeys have risen in price, and after what is most likely the final rr day, they ae back to the price they were before anet killed XTH in a failed attempt to make it more user friendly.
For those of us who work on the zaishen title, zkeys lowering in price make the title slightly less ridiculous. Down from 100million worth of keys to a 'mere' 80 million.
Nobody has cared about HB for a long time and it's taken this long for anet to do anything about it. It has even taken the throwing of tournement matches in a similar manner and abusing of z combat (which anet made repeatable on purpose) to make them realise they have a dead format that needs changing.
HB will be dead soon, replaced with something new. I cannot help but think rr at least played a small part in this. So hooray for RR day for finally making the live team pay attention!
One more thing, the economy is not ruined. Since the absence of the XTH zkeys have risen in price, and after what is most likely the final rr day, they ae back to the price they were before anet killed XTH in a failed attempt to make it more user friendly.
For those of us who work on the zaishen title, zkeys lowering in price make the title slightly less ridiculous. Down from 100million worth of keys to a 'mere' 80 million.
Jugalo Dano
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Originally Posted by ]HM[ Sabre Wolf
2.) The "Rouge Reds" are nothing more then people that are actually playing the game... so what is the problem with that? Ya it stinks they are not going with the RR idea... but you can't be mad at them for actually playing the game like its suppose to be played.
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Frankly, sitting there and quitting over and over is boring and when someone wants to play it's a nice change of pace.
Taddayo Kun
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Originally Posted by Jugalo Dano
I don't see why people are mad about people who actually wanna play either, you can't force someone to do something they don't wanna. Sure, I resigned when I was red, but if I was blue and the red player didn't want to quit, I played them the best I could with the weak build I set up, and still won more matches then I lost.
Frankly, sitting there and quitting over and over is boring and when someone wants to play it's a nice change of pace. |
Trader of Secrets
Think they gonna penalize anybody for this? How will they ever do this and hunt down all the people. I know a bunch that do this.
Apok Omen
Rediculous title/faction/zcoin farm for an even more rediculous PvP format...
Of course Anet ain't gonna do a thing to stop it except nuke HB altogether. That's the only place RR shines and since they are obliterating it, they are letting people farm the title for the time being. And who cares about the amount of zcoins and faction they get? It's a very small amount, so small that not even the RR-ers care about it.
Quit thinking that Anet is actually gonna step in to nerf RR, because there is no point to nerfing it.
Of course Anet ain't gonna do a thing to stop it except nuke HB altogether. That's the only place RR shines and since they are obliterating it, they are letting people farm the title for the time being. And who cares about the amount of zcoins and faction they get? It's a very small amount, so small that not even the RR-ers care about it.
Quit thinking that Anet is actually gonna step in to nerf RR, because there is no point to nerfing it.
Rodeus
Dishonorable says hi...
killerbot3009
when i am doing the HB zquest, i just refuse to resign when i am red, which mainly ends up in me winning all the games lol, but then i just get flammed at by pve nabs, just on the last HB zcombat, i managed to fill up my ignore list. getting kinda annoyed now.
harpharp
hmm is it just me, or does everyone fail to see the positive part of this?
HB is now popular! on any rr day you will "see" a lot of happy faces! this is one thing where the community gets together! in fact some players decided to actually play even tho they are new to it judging from their builds but they were even sporting abt it when they lose! so yea, rr actually gets more players to play HB.
HB is now popular! on any rr day you will "see" a lot of happy faces! this is one thing where the community gets together! in fact some players decided to actually play even tho they are new to it judging from their builds but they were even sporting abt it when they lose! so yea, rr actually gets more players to play HB.
Reler
I admit I did it too!
I was planning on a weekend MQSC but found out in ingame chat about rr-day. I was already wondering why eu german 1 aspenwood gate was rather empty.
I decided to see what the fuzz was all about and made a few k that way.
With the rules of conduct I think the following 2 are the most important.
This `bug` is not really a bug but more of a hidden feature, created by themselves. It is known/possible now for quite a few months. They had all the time in the world to fix it. Yet they did not.
If you google for it you'll find notes from as early as may and april about red resigns. I might have to do with this thread that it was extra busy this time.
Anet has a history of creating their own loopholes that they did not fix or fix very late.
Eg. deadleveling, 55-monk, perma SF, speedclears, vaettir/keg farm, hfff, basin farming, and the list goes on and on.
Who's to blame? The people finding out and using these `cheats`? Or their own quality/dev-team?
IMO it is Anet self that is to blame for the situation they created.
A lot of people are happy with these `cheats`, except for a few players that cry foul even tough they are not affected by it.
They might take action on this point.
The ladders aren't that different now. You have a 50/50 change of being red, thus 50% winning/50% loosing and the odd die hard that do battle anyway.
So imo no harm done.
Anyway if I loose my account so be it.
10k or more other people will do so as well then (69 american districts, 11 international and a whole bunch of european districts * 100 people), which is a rather large amount of players.
I was planning on a weekend MQSC but found out in ingame chat about rr-day. I was already wondering why eu german 1 aspenwood gate was rather empty.
I decided to see what the fuzz was all about and made a few k that way.
With the rules of conduct I think the following 2 are the most important.
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If you google for it you'll find notes from as early as may and april about red resigns. I might have to do with this thread that it was extra busy this time.
Anet has a history of creating their own loopholes that they did not fix or fix very late.
Eg. deadleveling, 55-monk, perma SF, speedclears, vaettir/keg farm, hfff, basin farming, and the list goes on and on.
Who's to blame? The people finding out and using these `cheats`? Or their own quality/dev-team?
IMO it is Anet self that is to blame for the situation they created.
A lot of people are happy with these `cheats`, except for a few players that cry foul even tough they are not affected by it.
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The ladders aren't that different now. You have a 50/50 change of being red, thus 50% winning/50% loosing and the odd die hard that do battle anyway.
So imo no harm done.
Anyway if I loose my account so be it.
10k or more other people will do so as well then (69 american districts, 11 international and a whole bunch of european districts * 100 people), which is a rather large amount of players.
Akaraxle
This is what happens when you give out PvE rewards for PvP: carebears find a way to farm it.
Hyperventilate
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Originally Posted by harpharp
hmm is it just me, or does everyone fail to see the positive part of this?
HB is now popular! on any rr day you will "see" a lot of happy faces! this is one thing where the community gets together! in fact some players decided to actually play even tho they are new to it judging from their builds but they were even sporting abt it when they lose! so yea, rr actually gets more players to play HB. |
RR takes away from the "locals" who simply play HB because they enjoy it. Those "happy faces" are only there because it's the z-combat. Not because they enjoy it. Sure, I don't doubt people stick around afterward when they see they like it.
But, what about the people who enjoy HB because they like the style or just because they're the frequenter of the arena.
I didn't make many friends when people found out the Fort Aspenwood resign glitch. I'm a local (On both sides) and I refused to resign only because I don't support an easy win, and I really enjoy playing.
Unfortunately, I highly doubt anything will be done about RR day only because HB is being removed (Or changed. However you want to look at it.), but perhaps it'll allow them to assess the situation and prevent it for future PvP.
I take the extremest approach and say ban the match manipulators. The Z-Combat should be fun, not a job.
MuC
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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate
I take the extremest approach and say ban the match manipulators. The Z-Combat should be fun, not a job.
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akio pwns
to really fix this so called cheating everyone is doing, and me myself, when anet changes ta+hb to sealed decks... let leaving or resigning count towards dishonorable. Very simple, cant leave or resign or u get a temp ban for 5 min and longer if you repeat. Its going to work, z keys will still go out like crazy but its limits it toa point.
I also think this is anets way of giving us the XTH for now since its down, even though its throwing out mre zkeys then the XTH. Could be possible with the BIG update that house comes back up.
I also think this is anets way of giving us the XTH for now since its down, even though its throwing out mre zkeys then the XTH. Could be possible with the BIG update that house comes back up.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate
RR takes away from the "locals" who simply play HB because they enjoy it. Those "happy faces" are only there because it's the z-combat. Not because they enjoy it. Sure, I don't doubt people stick around afterward when they see they like it.
But, what about the people who enjoy HB because they like the style or just because they're the frequenter of the arena. I didn't make many friends when people found out the Fort Aspenwood resign glitch. I'm a local (On both sides) and I refused to resign only because I don't support an easy win, and I really enjoy playing. Unfortunately, I highly doubt anything will be done about RR day only because HB is being removed (Or changed. However you want to look at it.), but perhaps it'll allow them to assess the situation and prevent it for future PvP. I take the extremest approach and say ban the match manipulators. The Z-Combat should be fun, not a job. |
Why would any regular HBer have a problem with RR day? It's like Christmas for them. Either you don't actually know anyone who HB's or you're just making shit up. Either way.....you're wrong.
EDIT: Oh, and RR day is actually what got me into HB. I love HB now and if it weren't for RR day, I would have no idea that it was this much fun. Sure, it's a degenerative meta and the builds are all practically the same, but I'm still having fun with it for now.
Taddayo Kun
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Originally Posted by killerbot3009
when i am doing the HB zquest, i just refuse to resign when i am red, which mainly ends up in me winning all the games lol, but then i just get flammed at by pve nabs, just on the last HB zcombat, i managed to fill up my ignore list. getting kinda annoyed now.
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Splinter Slinger
Id say that they will just take HB out of the Mission rotation
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate
But, what about the people who enjoy HB because they like the style or just because they're the frequenter of the arena. |
Seriously, didn't Regina post explaining why they are removing HBs include a statistic that Random Arenas is played about 25 times more often in a month then HB?
I'm betting that those numbers included those playing during RR day. How many people do you think actually play HB when you don't take that into affect?
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Lmmfao @ all the 'cheaters' around. looks like this place alone is rife with them. Hopefully all of you will be dealt with. Harshly.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by flubber
Lmmfao @ all the 'cheaters' around. looks like this place alone is rife with them. Hopefully all of you will be dealt with. Harshly.
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Sifow Chan
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Originally Posted by Reler
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Notice the sarcasm.
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
At this point in the game, do you really think ANet are going to harshly punish thousands of players?
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if they are going to allow 'cheating' it's time to fire up certain 3rd party progs.
Esprit
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Originally Posted by flubber
Lmmfao @ all the 'cheaters' around. looks like this place alone is rife with them. Hopefully all of you will be dealt with. Harshly.
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Originally Posted by Esprit
Might as well throw in the people who run/solo dungeons, because I doubt Anet intended dungeons to be played in such a way too.
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Winstar
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Originally Posted by flubber
Lmmfao @ all the 'cheaters' around. looks like this place alone is rife with them. Hopefully all of you will be dealt with. Harshly.
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The [zero] [rawr] collusion in an GvG MAT = removal of cape trim (in rawr's case they lost their permanent trim for 1 month). No other action.
People using /roll to determine outcomes of matches at the gutter end of the ladder. = /roll is modified so that it cannot be used in matches. No other action.
People use RR to determine the outcome of matches instead of /roll. Only now its more popular because there is potentially a lot of money involved because of the repeatable z-quest. The infraction itself is no more severe than the /roll and not nearly as important as the MAT collusion.
Banning on a mass scale would be absurd. Rollbacks, modifying the way the quest can be updated, or just finally get rid of the format like they said they would seem more reasonable.
Sifow Chan
Why punish players for something that's not going to exist soon? Once Sealed Deck comes out, everything will be in the past. Besides, how would they determine who was trying to play seriously and who was RRing? I mean serious players could've gotten blue and the red would leave while the blue player is planning to fight. They could be hurting people who did nothing wrong on purpose.
It's always smart to ban a huge amount of players right around the time something new comes out and while the game is in a dying state.
It's always smart to ban a huge amount of players right around the time something new comes out and while the game is in a dying state
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Arkantos
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Originally Posted by flubber
if they want to save face, they had better. hiding behind numbers is no excuse. especially when it's not a subscription based game.
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Also, there's a difference between manipulating a quest for rewards and botting.
Esprit
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Originally Posted by flubber
why is that, I mean this site, allows it's users to offer it as a service..right?
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Anet may tolerate it, just because it is so popular, just the way they tolerate RR Day now. Of course they plan on removing Hero Battles, but I doubt it was solely because of Red Resign Day. Removing HB is killing two or more birds with one stone, one of which is RR Day.
Moonlight Lust
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Originally Posted by turbo234
pfft. i like my 6000 balth and 1k every 2 wins
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