Technically, that little update they did to the EULA allows them to ban people who do this. However, the reason for resigning could be alterior, so who's to say its "unsportsmanship like conduct."
Personally, I don't think they should do anything about this, even if they could. Until they revamp the system, at least, this should be allowed to go on. If the new sealed deck system isn't as broken as HB, then they should crack down. Anet needs to realize that the reason these ways of not competing are partially a result of the fact that HB was designed poorly in the first place.
Yeah people will always try to get around, but if it was enjoyable and less polarizing, more people would be able to and want to play seriously.
Red Resigns: What will Anet do about this?
shoyon456
Taddayo Kun
If anet really cared, they would have simply taken hero battles out of the z combat rotation. then hero battles would have returned to being an empty outpost until sealed deck is introduced.
Secondly, banning of account that participated would be a very stupid move on their part. they have been lucky enough to have a dedicated fanbase who keep playing despite over 2 years or no new content (2 hours of mox quests don't really count...). They have even found new ways of getting money out of us through optional upgrades. Banning en masse for something they could have easily avoided would probably be a fatal blow for the morale of players. Particularly considering the similar situations with /roll and gvg match manipulation, for which they did practically nothing, not to mention the utter failure that is the dishonourable combattant system!
Secondly, banning of account that participated would be a very stupid move on their part. they have been lucky enough to have a dedicated fanbase who keep playing despite over 2 years or no new content (2 hours of mox quests don't really count...). They have even found new ways of getting money out of us through optional upgrades. Banning en masse for something they could have easily avoided would probably be a fatal blow for the morale of players. Particularly considering the similar situations with /roll and gvg match manipulation, for which they did practically nothing, not to mention the utter failure that is the dishonourable combattant system!
SilentDaze
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Cheating? This is a joke.
Anet created Hero Battles. Anet created Titles that take ridiculous amount of time to max. Anet created Zaishen Combat rewards. The fact that players have created what is known as Red Resign Day shows how flawed title implementation and Zaishen combat rewards are. Anet, you created this "problem". Then you point the finger at the players for coming up with a way to achieve a title/rewards through a means that you made possible! Way to shift the blame. Look in the mirror first if you want the real culprit of this problem. |
kupp
Get it through your thick heads that Anet will not ban anyone over this, because they'd have to ban thousands of players (including high end players), on a declining game, when the format beeing abused will be removed in like, 2-3 weeks maximum?
Unlike all the people who QQ the game will be dead if they nerf SF runs, should Anet take that route then that will trully be the last nail in the coffin when they're banning a nice chunck of their playerbase, practically all of them are NOT casual players.
If they'd want to stop it, they can just remove the HB quest all together and be done with it. There, no more abuse. Easier huh?
As for myself, I made 170 zkeys, ~140k or something in gold, got my r3 zaishen, bought myself a Draconig Aegis and still have plenty of cash to spare. I'm happy about it and I'll be waiting for the next RR day, I just might be able to max my sweet tooth title, who knows.
Here's a funny bit: I abhor farming and that's exactly why I take advantage of these RR days.
Unlike all the people who QQ the game will be dead if they nerf SF runs, should Anet take that route then that will trully be the last nail in the coffin when they're banning a nice chunck of their playerbase, practically all of them are NOT casual players.
If they'd want to stop it, they can just remove the HB quest all together and be done with it. There, no more abuse. Easier huh?
As for myself, I made 170 zkeys, ~140k or something in gold, got my r3 zaishen, bought myself a Draconig Aegis and still have plenty of cash to spare. I'm happy about it and I'll be waiting for the next RR day, I just might be able to max my sweet tooth title, who knows.
Here's a funny bit: I abhor farming and that's exactly why I take advantage of these RR days.
Osprey3
Anets theory maybe: Red Resign= New XTH , for the time being that is.
kupp
If that's true, then I almost forgive them for leaving SF raping PvE for the last year.
Axel Zinfandel
Include resigns into the Dishonorable Combatant System
*sits back and waits for the hate*
*sits back and waits for the hate*
Esprit
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Include resigns into the Dishonorable Combatant System
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Akaraxle
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Karate Jesus
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It's dunces like these two that should be removed from Guild Wars entirely; perfect example of the kind of population ANet should never have catered to.
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I actually liked HB at one time and kind of wish they would keep it (but not at the cost of losing SD....which I hope to God is fun), but it really has degenerated. RR day is pretty much the only day that's steadily playable anymore.....other days, you're lucky if there are 10 people to play against.
Akaraxle
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You have to admit (if you've ever actually RR'd), that it can be a lot of fun.
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P.S. An answer like "because HB is such a pile of shit that it's more fun to rip off your nails" doesn't count.
Karate Jesus
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Would you mind explaining how "not playing" is fun?
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Discordway works in HB....right? Right? Ohnoes!
Jugalo Dano
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Anets theory maybe: Red Resign= New XTH , for the time being that is.
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Not only are people getting hundreds of key for free, but it dumps gold out there too. It's also a weekly thing, not once a month.
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I'm pretty sure rr day is about 100 times worse on the economy then xth could ever be. The only people who make out seriously well with xth are people with multiple accounts; and that's their right. They paid for each of their accounts.
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Karate Jesus
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Dont forget the part that HB is being removed soon, so there will be 1 more RR day (possible 2 more, if SD gets delayed).
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FoxBat
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Discordway works in HB....right? Right? Ohnoes!
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RR uniquely works with HB and not other formats for several reasons;
- No-one plays HB seriously, so those few diehards are vastly outnumbered.
- 1v1, so it takes no coordination or setup to hop in and join. That's how most people play the game, so it's a perfect fit for PvE farmers.
- Most importantly, the system is rated. Red cape goes to the higher rated player in a match, so if they resign enough their likleyhood of hitting blue increases. The people who don't want to RR keep winning and eventually push into a higher rating bracket where they are more likely to fight each other, or they have to wait longer for matches; the people who want to RR but are high rated will eventually get knocked back down into the center by the system so they aren't too inconvenienced.
- Also there's no such thing as a "fast" HB match when you win by sitting on more shrines than the opponent, unless you're one of those suicide bot farmers. On TA/HA people will roll RtL because it win/loses very quickly, same with bloodspike or thumpers in gvg, which nets more total wins per time for your average player.
Gun Pierson
I'm not taking any sides but I'm wondering:
What are the differences with wintersday when the community makes an agreement by splitting up Dwayna and Grenth districts? I see the same characteristics:
- reward
- efficiency
- not playing the game as intended
If you/we all do it on wintersday, why don't you do it here too? Jealousy, purist? The format will be gone anyway.
Also what did Anet expect? They've put the bowl of milk and the cat in the same room. Lets shoot the cat now?
What are the differences with wintersday when the community makes an agreement by splitting up Dwayna and Grenth districts? I see the same characteristics:
- reward
- efficiency
- not playing the game as intended
If you/we all do it on wintersday, why don't you do it here too? Jealousy, purist? The format will be gone anyway.
Also what did Anet expect? They've put the bowl of milk and the cat in the same room. Lets shoot the cat now?
Osprey3
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I'm pretty sure rr day is about 100 times worse on the economy then xth could ever be. The only people who make out seriously well with xth are people with multiple accounts; and that's their right. They paid for each of their accounts.
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Lihinel
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I'm not taking any sides but I'm wondering:
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On that note: Ban those bloody bastards, ban them all!
Might lessen the stress on the server enourmously.
Karate Jesus
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Well, officially, its cheating.
On that note: Ban those bloody bastards, ban them all! Might lessen the stress on the server enourmously. |
Taddayo Kun
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I'm pretty sure rr day is about 100 times worse on the economy then xth could ever be. .
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Taddayo Kun
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I'm not taking any sides but I'm wondering:
What are the differences with wintersday when the community makes an agreement by splitting up Dwayna and Grenth districts? I see the same characteristics: - reward - efficiency - not playing the game as intended If you/we all do it on wintersday, why don't you do it here too? Jealousy, purist? The format will be gone anyway. Also what did Anet expect? They've put the bowl of milk and the cat in the same room. Lets shoot the cat now? |
Lihinel
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Losing 6,000+ active players wouldn't just lessen the stress on the server(s)....it would probably "officially" kill the game...and piss off a lot of potential GW2 customers.
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Thats rr day population * 4-6
And hey, not only would it lessen the stress on the server(s)....it would probably lessen the stress on the gw2 server(s) as well.
What are they waiting for?
kazjun
Who cares, HB is dead anyway. Well, whenever anet gets round to removing it anyway. Why waste what few resources they have on 'fixing' something which isn't going to be in the game for much longer.
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Then why is the price of zkeys not lower than when xth actually worked? Simple, a smaller population of guild wars played rr. Whereas xth only required owning an account, meaning people with multiple accounts (you'd be suprised how many people in this game have over 20 accounts) able to make ridiculous amounts of keys without even doing anything. RR hasn't been around long enough to affect the economy any more, and it won't be around long enough to cause any further changes (hb was supposed to be gone already, chances are that rr day will not happen again).
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Aussie Boy
ohhh nooooss I did RR day made 22 keys before I got board and went back to playing PvE.
Also used em on the Zchest so no economic harm from me.
The post about the Wintersday agreement side issue is a vald point even if there is no high cost involved like 1k and 6000b points.
It is still manipulating the game and going against the rule so ban all the wintersday peeps while your at it anet.
Also used em on the Zchest so no economic harm from me.
The post about the Wintersday agreement side issue is a vald point even if there is no high cost involved like 1k and 6000b points.
It is still manipulating the game and going against the rule so ban all the wintersday peeps while your at it anet.
Cherrie
RR day is ridiculous, but it's not happening in a void. In fact, the whole RR day is ANets fault and the fact that the player community has organized this 'event' is due to developer's silly (to say the least) actions.
Since it has been announced that the development of GW1 will be suspended and works on GW2 will start, along with HoM, GW1 became nothing more than a hunt (and farm) for titles and items to put in the Hall. If you don't want your xxx hours of play lost once GW2 comes out, you have to have a nice HoM. Or you're screwed.
Maxing titles costs enormous amounts of money. There are groups of people out there who don't have a problem with it, belonging to meta crowd and using meta farming builds, both solo and team. But there are others who dont have the skill/time/friends allowing them to join the insanely rich crowd, but they still don't want to be screwed. They don't need 6 FoWs and 7 GWAMs, just one to pass something to GW2 through HoM.
If it wasn't for the fact that the need for money now in GW is so high, you wouldn't see 70 American districts. If it wasn't for the fact that maxing a title required 10k points and 4kk gold, you wouldn't see them either.
But it is. And players are coming up with a solution through lousy game design current development team provides. Player base needs money to fulfill ridiculous requirements for their time spend in this game not to become void.
Since it has been announced that the development of GW1 will be suspended and works on GW2 will start, along with HoM, GW1 became nothing more than a hunt (and farm) for titles and items to put in the Hall. If you don't want your xxx hours of play lost once GW2 comes out, you have to have a nice HoM. Or you're screwed.
Maxing titles costs enormous amounts of money. There are groups of people out there who don't have a problem with it, belonging to meta crowd and using meta farming builds, both solo and team. But there are others who dont have the skill/time/friends allowing them to join the insanely rich crowd, but they still don't want to be screwed. They don't need 6 FoWs and 7 GWAMs, just one to pass something to GW2 through HoM.
If it wasn't for the fact that the need for money now in GW is so high, you wouldn't see 70 American districts. If it wasn't for the fact that maxing a title required 10k points and 4kk gold, you wouldn't see them either.
But it is. And players are coming up with a solution through lousy game design current development team provides. Player base needs money to fulfill ridiculous requirements for their time spend in this game not to become void.
axe
Zkeys dont shift in price because most of the RR farmers actually use the keys on the zchest.
Dwayna/Grentch is not even comparable, how is this "match" manipulation WTF??
And I dont understand how hard it would be to take the HB zquest off the rotation, are they doing RR in TA as well because there were a lot of dists on TA Zquest day also.
Yes I am bitter
Dwayna/Grentch is not even comparable, how is this "match" manipulation WTF??
And I dont understand how hard it would be to take the HB zquest off the rotation, are they doing RR in TA as well because there were a lot of dists on TA Zquest day also.
Yes I am bitter
Gun Pierson
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Dwayna/Grentch is not even comparable, how is this "match" manipulation WTF??
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A competition between Grenth and Dwayna about the end of winter
It is a match, no matter how futile it seems. You have a red score and a blue score. The playerbase manipulates the match to get 100% succes.
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it's free roam in a town. it's not in the winter's day arena...
there is also a difference between a gift, and a reward.
Day Trooper
On the RR quest - why is it repeatable? That would stop a lot of the 'RR Abuse' right there if the quest couldn't be re-taken.
Unless - all PvP ZQuests are repeatable? Dunno as I don't PvP...
Unless - all PvP ZQuests are repeatable? Dunno as I don't PvP...
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Bullshit excuse. is bullshit.
it's free roam in a town. it's not in the winter's day arena... there is also a difference between a gift, and a reward. |
Talking about bullshit...free roam in town, yeah right lol. It's planned and coordinated. The playerbase is creative and that's what I expect from Anet too.
Karate Jesus
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I don't need an excuse as I don't do RR, I'm objective in this debate while you clearly are not. In both Wintersday and RR I see the same 'mechanic' at work. Whether they call it a gift or reward, it's the same thing, you play a part of the game or in these cases you don't play the game as intended.
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In the EULA, it doesn't expressly state the match manipulation is limited only to PvP....so, technically.....the Wintersday thing is match manipulation as well.
Lol...pretty messed up, but funny and true.
Painbringer
So when are they RR on RA map I need some Glads Just kidding
Just kidding
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I don't need an excuse as I don't do RR, I'm objective in this debate while you clearly are not. In both Wintersday and RR I see the same 'mechanic' at work. Whether they call it a gift or reward, it's the same thing, you play a part of the game or in these cases you don't play the game as intended.
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In the EULA, it doesn't expressly state the match manipulation is limited only to PvP....so, technically.....the Wintersday thing is match manipulation as well.
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24. While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.
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O I see.
I can unlock multiple valuable skills (possibly 100s?) with the multiple headpieces that I get via halloween/christmas district jumping. there is a big advantage there.
Developers meant for me to be able to get thousands of gold, keys, and faction by taking a quest and /resign.
I can unlock multiple valuable skills (possibly 100s?) with the multiple headpieces that I get via halloween/christmas district jumping. there is a big advantage there.
Developers meant for me to be able to get thousands of gold, keys, and faction by taking a quest and /resign.
Aussie Boy
True it does say PvP but still Wintersday does effect the players especially if they stand on the opposite side to the side that is supposed to be
the agreed side ( odd/even number dist)
You then get people demanding (sometimes very rudely) they switch to the proper side or leave the dist and go to another.
Is that classified under the harassment rule too?
all this is OT to the original post anyway but really rules are rules and should be for all things not just selected parts of the game add hock.
the agreed side ( odd/even number dist)
You then get people demanding (sometimes very rudely) they switch to the proper side or leave the dist and go to another.
Is that classified under the harassment rule too?
all this is OT to the original post anyway but really rules are rules and should be for all things not just selected parts of the game add hock.
Karate Jesus
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Didn't see anything that said other than PvP.
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"While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation."
Technically, it doesn't limit Player-vs-Player to the format of PvP in-game. Therefore, the arguement could be made that Grenth vs. Dwayna is a player-vs-player format and because of this the district allocation is match manipulation and bannable under the EULA.
"Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching."
Again, because the definition was not limited solely to the PvP format of the game, Grenth v. Dwayna could easily be defined as "manipulating the outcome of a match". It could also be said that forcing other players to stand on a certain side of the map would be "disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating".
See how that works? Nice to see my minor is Law didn't completely go to waste.....ohwait....yea it did.
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Sorry, I should have made myself more clear.
"While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation." Technically, it doesn't limit Player-vs-Player to the format of PvP in-game. Therefore, the arguement could be made that Grenth vs. Dwayna is a player-vs-player format and because of this the district allocation is match manipulation and bannable under the EULA. See how that works? Nice to see my minor is Law didn't completely go to waste.....ohwait....yea it did. |