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Taddayo Kun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2008

in the land of no return, kinda like xth

[nerf]

A/

14 Oct 2009 at 14:13 - 281

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Were you around during the dupe? A large enough influx of currency will have a lasting impact, even if the influx is short in duration.

I think it goes without saying that Red Resign and duping are like night and day. The rewards gained by red resign are miniscule when compared with the rewards that were gained by people duping items. considering the time it would take to dupe a high end item, there is absolutely no way this would ever be on the same scale.

This also brings me back to my main point, even if the live team continues to sit around ignoring the cries of it's players for another month, that would allow people perhaps 3 more RR days. Since gaining a large amount of zkeys in RR day required a fair amount of grind (no matter how easy it makes it, time and presence are required) the lasting effect will be no comparison to duping. I would even go far as to say that red resign will, in the long run, have less of an effect that XTH since xth requires no presence, time or effort to benefit from, and can be exploited by every account owned, regardless of how many other accounts are owned by the person benefiting.

axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Pwn Appetit [NJoy]

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14 Oct 2009 at 14:25 - 282

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

I think it goes without saying that Red Resign and duping are like night and day. The rewards gained by red resign are miniscule when compared with the rewards that were gained by people duping items. considering the time it would take to dupe a high end item, there is absolutely no way this would ever be on the same scale.

This also brings me back to my main point, even if the live team continues to sit around ignoring the cries of it's players for another month, that would allow people perhaps 3 more RR days. Since gaining a large amount of zkeys in RR day required a fair amount of grind (no matter how easy it makes it, time and presence are required) the lasting effect will be no comparison to duping. I would even go far as to say that red resign will, in the long run, have less of an effect that XTH since xth requires no presence, time or effort to benefit from, and can be exploited by every account owned, regardless of how many other accounts are owned by the person benefiting.

I would agree with some of this, but RR has grown exponential each time it cycles. This sunday there will be an even larger number of districts and even more multi-account users farming the quest.

Furthermore of all the 60+ districts last time, there was a STEADY conga line of players running to the Z challenge reward NPC, it looked like ants marching in EVERY DISTRICT!!

Even back during the old griffon farming days, there was only 1 district (International) that had the conga line type effect, and granted you could do that every day rather than once a week, but this farm is also much more profitable.

60+ districts is one thing but watch the actual amount of players during any given dist and any given number of min. it is a non-stop train.

Reminds me of this old video which if anyone still has a working link I would love to watch that one again

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=96166

MrTev

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2009

14 Oct 2009 at 16:58 - 283

We got like one more RR day. I'm guessing the update will come out the day they bring in the update for the Halloween stuff.

That's my speculative opinion.

Vazze

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

14 Oct 2009 at 17:39 - 284

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

I think it goes without saying that Red Resign and duping are like night and day. The rewards gained by red resign are miniscule when compared with the rewards that were gained by people duping items. considering the time it would take to dupe a high end item, there is absolutely no way this would ever be on the same scale.

I think you don't know the whole story here. Anet banned not only the people who duped (only a few ppl actually did it repeatedly with expensive items) but the ones who traded with the dupers as well. Those who bought cheap ambraces made a whole lot less money with those transactions than rr farmers have made.

I am not saying rr farmers should be banned, on the contrary, far more ppl were banned in the duping business than should have been.

But that does not change the fact, that this is obviously a major violation of rules in a competitive arena (even if it is a pretty dumb areana) and signals a new low in the state of GW.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

14 Oct 2009 at 20:20 - 285

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I think that you are just paranoid over there.

Paranoia would imply that it worries me in some way. It doesn't. It's merely something that I've observed to be the case.

Taddayo Kun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2008

in the land of no return, kinda like xth

[nerf]

A/

14 Oct 2009 at 20:28 - 286

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vazze

I think you don't know the whole story here. Anet banned not only the people who duped (only a few ppl actually did it repeatedly with expensive items) but the ones who traded with the dupers as well. Those who bought cheap ambraces made a whole lot less money with those transactions than rr farmers have made.

I am not saying rr farmers should be banned, on the contrary, far more ppl were banned in the duping business than should have been.

But that does not change the fact, that this is obviously a major violation of rules in a competitive arena (even if it is a pretty dumb areana) and signals a new low in the state of GW.

I do not disagree that red resign is a violation of the rules and have made no argument for or against it since there is no room for speculation in the eula regarding that.

My point was simply that the economy would not be affected as much as people think, particularly since it has become popular while XTH is out of commission.

On the sunbject of banning accounts my argument has been that this would be a very stupid move for anet to take, considering the amount of violations that nothing is ever done about (leeching mainly).

Finally, on the subject of what can be done to stop it, it seems most agree that as soon as anet pulls their fingers out from their proverbial arse and either gets rid of hb or takes the z quest out of circulation this problem and this thread will soon be forgotten.

Island Guardian

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

Kam AD1 farming ^^

Do it for [FAME]

W/E

15 Oct 2009 at 02:26 - 287

WHen will HB be removed you think?

Aussie Boy

Alcoholic

Join Date: Mar 2007

Australia

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15 Oct 2009 at 02:28 - 288

One thing I have noticed of late is there has been no comment from Anet or especially The Community Manager in this thread.
No offence to anyone but at least when Gail was CM she was active in letting the community know what was going on (sometimes the info was wrong lol) but there was that
communication and interaction with the community that should
be in any business.

Anyway if RR day happens again not sure I'll take part but also if I get banned for the 20 odd keys from last one
then so be it just make sure you ban the hundreds of others that were doing it and see your player base drop and prolly not return.

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

15 Oct 2009 at 03:04 - 289

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

I think it goes without saying that Red Resign and duping are like night and day. The rewards gained by red resign are miniscule when compared with the rewards that were gained by people duping items. considering the time it would take to dupe a high end item, there is absolutely no way this would ever be on the same scale.

Except for the fact that RR is done by many times more people that duping was. RR is nothing more than a widespread exploit. It is allowed because so many people do it. It is much easier to punish those few people who actually knew how to dupe rather than the thousands who are exploiting now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

On the sunbject of banning accounts my argument has been that this would be a very stupid move for anet to take, considering the amount of violations that nothing is ever done about (leeching mainly).

So since they don't ban for one thing, they shouldn't ban for anything?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

Finally, on the subject of what can be done to stop it, it seems most agree that as soon as anet pulls their fingers out from their proverbial arse and either gets rid of hb or takes the z quest out of circulation this problem and this thread will soon be forgotten.

So once they get rid of HB all their troubles are gone because the players will just forget it ever happened? What a sad state of affairs. Anet has been taking this approach on SO many matters for years now, and that fact that some people have forgotten all of these episodes is quite amazing. Congrats Anet...you are brilliant.

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Originally Posted by Aussie Boy

One thing I have noticed of late is there has been no comment from Anet or especially The Community Manager in this thread.

Which is what happens when there is no logical answer for their actions. After the recent hench debacle and the unbelievable responses from CMs there, they probably think it is best to just stay out of this one.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

15 Oct 2009 at 08:03 - 290

We can just wait...wait..wait..wait..thats all we did for 2 years waiting for GW2 and got a great response, the trailer and all this info. So..this means...we wait in time for a response for anet and live our lives (we do have those right? I do....phew im safe..) anyways, all relax its a phase in the game.

poppu16

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

W/

15 Oct 2009 at 08:05 - 291

Red Resigns: What will Anet do about this?

Nothing. Hb will be removed soon, no time to waste.
Way better that anet works on is quaterly content (understand : biannual content)

There is BIGGER problems like botting that haven't been resolved since years.

Just enjoy RR while it's still there, like everyone.

Taddayo Kun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2008

in the land of no return, kinda like xth

[nerf]

A/

15 Oct 2009 at 14:08 - 292

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

So since they don't ban for one thing, they shouldn't ban for anything?

I believe you missed my point slightly. I'm not saying that they shouldn't ban anything because they don't ban one thing. My point is that if they ban for one infraction, they should ban for them all. With this kind of thing it should be all or nothing. If Anet banned all the red resigners but left all the leechers (for instance) this would cause definite unrest within the community.

As we all know, Anet claim to keep up with the fansites and the most used of threads, so I hope they have read this one. What is clear from this forum is that the guys at anet really need to step up to the plate and sort themselves out. To think that this forum has lasted so long and had so many replies without so much as a word from anet, it shows a very poor grasp on communication with the public.

One thing stands out in a large amount of threads on this website about the problems with guild wars is that they have seriously lost touch with the community and their ability to communicate is a disgrace. Isn't someone suppose to be in charge of communication? Get off your arses anet, does regina even come to work anymore?

Canadian FTW

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

Fashion Police [Chic]

Mo/Me

15 Oct 2009 at 15:57 - 293

lol this is a very serious post

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

15 Oct 2009 at 16:13 - 294

This issue is pretty easily fixable IMO. What do they plan to do about it? They're removing HB. Sure, people will just move to a different mode, but it's easily fixable... simply don't allow resigns during those types of games. Why would you need to resign anyway? Don't have enough time? Then don't go in in the first place.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

15 Oct 2009 at 16:20 - 295

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Sure, people will just move to a different mode.

No they won't. HB RR is just one day a week or so. If people knew how to break the other modes they'd already be doing that. Only HB rewards and encourages you for resigning, due to the 1v1 nature and the pairing by ladder rating. Other modes depend on people's cooperation. Just try getting random arenas to red resign when 3 people /resign and 1 doesn't.

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

15 Oct 2009 at 16:40 - 296

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

Anet claim to keep up with the fansites and the most used of threads, so I hope they have read this one.

I'm absolutely sure they are lurking out there in the dark following this thread.

I can understand Anet needs to think this over. In one hand they hold their precious Eula and in the other hand a significant part of the playerbase.

Canadian FTW

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

Fashion Police [Chic]

Mo/Me

15 Oct 2009 at 21:25 - 297

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

No they won't. HB RR is just one day a week or so. If people knew how to break the other modes they'd already be doing that. Only HB rewards and encourages you for resigning, due to the 1v1 nature and the pairing by ladder rating. Other modes depend on people's cooperation. Just try getting random arenas to red resign when 3 people /resign and 1 doesn't.

you wanna bet on that?

AtomicMew

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

N/A

15 Oct 2009 at 23:38 - 298

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadian FTW

you wanna bet on that?

The only other format this sort of thing is possible is GvG. Of course, GvG is so prestigious something like RR would never happen.... OH WAIT.

Premium Unleaded

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

16 Oct 2009 at 01:37 - 299

More like, you wait an hour for a game only to get matched against bloodspam.

MrTev

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2009

16 Oct 2009 at 01:44 - 300

Ahh, this Sunday is another RR day.

Time to make bank.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

16 Oct 2009 at 01:46 - 301

Quote:

Originally Posted by Premium Unleaded

More like, you wait an hour for a game only to get matched against bloodspam.

Or play through 1 round of the mAT only to run into a bloodspam team. Top guild....bloodspam.....yeah, that happened.

Aussie Boy

Alcoholic

Join Date: Mar 2007

Australia

W/

16 Oct 2009 at 06:21 - 302

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTev

Ahh, this Sunday is another RR day.

Time to make bank.

Lol Maybe even use a crap 2nd account and not your main just in case they do ban peeps accounts later for
continuing the exploit "after" everyone knows it's against the EULA in some way but continued to do it anyway.
That's IF they do ban on this.
Think I'll do it that way and just transfer z keys around accounts if I partake in the next one.

MrTev

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2009

16 Oct 2009 at 06:53 - 303

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie Boy

Lol Maybe even use a crap 2nd account and not your main just in case they do ban peeps accounts later for
continuing the exploit "after" everyone knows it's against the EULA in some way but continued to do it anyway.
That's IF they do ban on this.
Think I'll do it that way and just transfer z keys around accounts if I partake in the next one.

I DO run two accounts, on two screens

Makes it easier to see which one is doing what.

But, I doubt they'll ban. If they do, i think the community will be in enough of an uproar where my ass will be saved

X-Plosiv

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

[Pink]

R/

16 Oct 2009 at 08:07 - 304

If ANET really wanted this to stop, they would just remove HB from Zaishen thing, otherwise It`s like they put a sign that say "WE KNOW IT`S AN EXPLOIT, BUT HEY, WE DID NOT PUT IT HERE BECAUSE WE PEOPLE BELIEVE YOU WONT EXPLOIT IT!".

End of thread.

P.S. I farmed 1st time a lot, second 20min, then stopped. It`s boring

Beren985

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Spain

Caminantes de los Planos

Me/

16 Oct 2009 at 09:08 - 305

If they were to ban all RR for "match manipulation", shouldn't they also ban all the top players that "tank" their rank?

They are not going to do anything about this, the format will be removed and RR days will be over.

lilDeath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Treehouse #1

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16 Oct 2009 at 23:34 - 306

For all we know they have already 'fixed' RR day by removing it from the Zquest cycle or reducing the BF / gold rewards. Not sure if they will need a build for this though...

So, lets see if HB ZQuest pops up the day people expect it too and what it looks like

I guess a temp ban of all the thousands of users for a 48-hour period before and after the ZQuest will work too as a 'fix'

Trader of Secrets

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

17 Oct 2009 at 00:00 - 307

i bet it still is in rotation still.
i also thought of the best punishment that anet can do if they do it in time, temp ban players for most of halloween event.

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

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17 Oct 2009 at 00:56 - 308

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trader of Secrets

i bet it still is in rotation still.
i also thought of the best punishment that anet can do if they do it in time, temp ban players for most of halloween event.

That's almost worse then a perma ban -.-

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

17 Oct 2009 at 06:12 - 309

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trader of Secrets

i bet it still is in rotation still.
i also thought of the best punishment that anet can do if they do it in time, temp ban players for most of halloween event.

Temp ban from the only thing I've been excited about in GW for well over two years? Hell naw.

I just realized how depressing it is :(.

Short

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2009

Protectors of Fate [GoF]

N/Me

17 Oct 2009 at 10:33 - 310

I'm not gonna take part in the next RR Day tbh, I just got a sense of foreboding about it. Not mass banning, that would kill GW, but I just have a bad feeling.
I'm probably wrong, laugh at me.

KPEATOP

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Bulgaria

W/Mo

17 Oct 2009 at 11:10 - 311

You won't see a single ban about that - not for the RR day, nor for the commander farm.

Munkypoo7

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

Miami, Florida, United States

Lunatics Running the Asylum [CRZY]

R/Rt

17 Oct 2009 at 12:32 - 312

Cant wait till sunday ^^

My New Name

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

17 Oct 2009 at 14:02 - 313

logical thing to do is just remove the bloody z combat quest...
no more RR
(well at least for z keys)
takes much less work then banning thousands of players
and i think if they do ban people that will be=mass ragequitting
and who will buy their 25% off storage panels then? -_-

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

17 Oct 2009 at 15:01 - 314

I want them to ban everyone doing this just because I haven't done it. Nah, seriously, I think I'll try this tomorrow. People saying they got stack(s) of zkeys in a day? Time to fire up the ole' gwx2 I'm thinking.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

17 Oct 2009 at 15:11 - 315

They don't ban for mass exploits and never have. You're much more likely to get a ban for conduct than for pushing the envelope. The line you dare not cross is pretty far out there (duping, Ebony Citadel outpost not in the game, and so on).

If they didn't ban us all for HM Urgoz (much more abusive given item pricing back then), they aren't going to ban you for RR.

If they do break out the ban stick, they won't be retaining many existing fans for GW2.

To Chicken To Die

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Mo/

17 Oct 2009 at 15:12 - 316

I still wonder what the hell Anet was thinking to make PvP zaichen repeatable. I mean Anet makes a shit load of mistakes and takes on 50% of them there time to fix it. Like the didn't know RR day or something similair would come. Even a monkey knew that there a so many easy ways to exploit massive bonusses like this. Same with the start of SF. Wth they knew UW and FoW would be able to be cleared in 10-20 mins. I still wonder why? What was the meaning to do all this? Starting to do things like this is indeed fun easy money. But after a small time people start to realize that 1 GW econemie is going down. 2 Game is getting boring so freaking fast.

RR day was so fun BTW in TA. So easy to make glad points with a rankend team that day.

Taki Fujiko

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2009

17 Oct 2009 at 15:28 - 317

Heh I didn't know about RR day until now.
I always farmed TA on the TA-ZQ day with 2 MB, 1 R/A and a Monk, which was actual fighting, but getting some money was worth it.

You gotta remember after all that all the fancy rewards people get from this day will not have any effect on GAME balance whatsoever. Lot's of money doesn't give you a 9th skill slot. It doesn't give you a weapon with any more damage than a max damage Spatha either. Everything you can buy in this game is for looks alone.

Breaking news: Some people don't have stacks of ectos in their chest and they still might want chaos gloves for their monk and this is the only (enjoyable?) way to make enough money for them. Not everyone wants to UWSC a thousand times.

noneedforclevernames

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Jay To Much [SrE]

Me/N

17 Oct 2009 at 15:43 - 318

maybe make it so your character has to be 24 hours old to grab zquests, then amke it so each char can grab it only once.

noneedforclevernames

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Jay To Much [SrE]

Me/N

17 Oct 2009 at 15:47 - 319

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taki Fujiko

Breaking news: Some people don't have stacks of ectos in their chest and they still might want chaos gloves for their monk and this is the only (enjoyable?) way to make enough money for them. Not everyone wants to UWSC a thousand times.

That is in no way a valid excuse. If someone doesn't have to work for something, then you are providing that individual a charity. Once individuals become accustomed to charity (Can happen after just one case of charity) that individual becomes dependent on third party assistance. So what kind of example does this teach to children who are becoming ever more spoiled, lazy, for the most part stupid, and unathletic?

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

17 Oct 2009 at 15:57 - 320

Well they're removing Hb so y'know that's probably going to eliminate it.