Red Resigns: What will Anet do about this?

And I'm speaking out of experience. It's not hard to forget GW and actually live life *gasp*.

MMORPGs are the most addicting games, so yes most people who tried out an MMO once will keep checking back.

And yet you're here.

You just proved my point.

Thanks, sir,

have an internet.

Since I play Guild Wars, 1 month of being banned would make me go into a denial? Speak for yourself.

If by denial you understand going onto unofficial fan forums to post into threads of negative feedback about the game's developer's stance on players on the red team resigning in 1 of the PvP forms while staying completely off topic, then yes.

so what you are saying is: i play gw and now there isn't a chance for me to stop playing?
EVER?
how sad for me ;(

No, I'm saying if you do get tempbanned while you are really into playing the game (that much that you farm RR in HB), you will want to come back even more after your ban is over.

I don't know about you, but I play this game for fun in my free time. I visit forums in my free time because I like reading. I also like sharing opinions on forums.

Have you ever been banned for an extended period of time while you were just getting into what would be considered at the time of your ban "end game"?

Not in Guild Wars, but another MMO I have got banned for 3 months(if you care you can ask why). You know what I did? Carried out my life like normal, but filling my "game time" with other games that I enjoy.

that's not really what you said the 1st time
so doing RR is the bottom of the barrel eh?
in which way is it worse than UWSC/farming in general...
RR is more boring for sure but still uwsc takes just a bit more effort but the repetitiveness is still there...and after a couple of times it gets boring as well...

I'm going crazy from just hearing my alliance rave about RR day. I need somewhere to put my thoughts:

1. I don't participate in RR day at all. I find it goes against the spirit of competitive play, but hey, everyone already knows this.
2. Anet had several opportunities to putting out a quick fix for this, from a. putting dishonor on resigning. b. removing hb from zaishen. c. removing blue/red colors and any other means to manipulate.
3. What advantage would there be to keep this going on? The only advantage would be to collect the names of the players.
4. What disadvantage would there be? The market bottoms out (except as it has been noted, most keys are actually used, making the market still fairly stable). The spirit of competitive play is, and I put this as lightly as I can, dragged through the cesspools of greed.
a. The economic stability point is not big. but the fact that millions of equivalent wealth are accumulated nearly every minute throws a giant cloud over the financial aspect.

5. There are three things ANet could be doing then. They are:
a. Collecting names to ban or other similar drastic account options. It will be a very meaningful retort from Anet. The decrease of a player base might be detrimental, but with GW2 coming out, I don't think it's that bad of an option for ANet. I don't like this scenario though. It only contains punishment options.
b. Giving rewards to the people who don't do it. I like this option, since I would fall inside of it (yes, I see the ironic greed lol). I don't see how they could do anything that could match the value of the keys I did not get.
c. They aren't going to do anything and just wait for HB to go away and then continue on. This is extremely shameful, but I can see the advantages of the this option: No work and the effects aren't that bad since the market will still be relatively stable. The rise of zkey prices would be offset by all the people just stockpiling them instead of using them.

d. Any other options? I'm sure there are others and I'd like to hear them.

doubt they ban anyone, why?

There's no official announcement that it's cheating.. yes I know they said it somewhere on the wiki, but not everyone checks it.. someone who just plays and hears of RR in game might think "oh nice I can make money there" without knowing that it's cheating.
I think if they wanted people to stop or ban them, they could just easily make an ingame announcement or put it on the login screen.

add like 500 different colors...they'd have to make a list of 250 colors that would resign...gl with that :P

RR involves no skill whatsoever, you circumvent the intent of the game.

RR is also against the EULA since it falls under match manipulation. You manipulate the outcome of matches by deciding beforehand which team will leave so that you can get free rewards from a repeatable quest.

In World of Warcraft, people doing Win-Trading in Arena have been temp banned, given a final warning, and have had ALL of their PvP gear ever acquired taken away.

rock
paper
scissors

I don't think Ignorance is a legit defense in any capacity, Avalanche.

Again, ArenaNet would be much better off tackling the problem at it's root.

Simply put up an announcement on the login screen as a reminder, and then ban everyone who does RR and take away all of their Zaishen Keys or other expensive items.

Or they could take out the quest, instead of banning people. No one gets hurt.

what if it's a draw?

Redo it ^^?

12char

Except there is one problem with this.


Legit Players................... DO exist.


and this will hurt legit players simply wanting to do the quest.


How would Blizzard go about removing Arena Gear and Rewards because some people are win-trading?

There is mostly likely 1 (today's) HB Zquest left. I'm sure they'll get over it.

It still leaves the actual problem untouched.
Why would ArenaNet want to set such a precedent for exploiters and basically give them all Get Out Of Jail Free And Keep The Stuff You Stole cards?

thats exactly what they should do, and those who still RR could get banned then.
I started doing RR and felt like.. this can't just go on forever and not be cheating, so I checked on here and saw it falls under match manipulation.
But I still do RR, i simply do it cause everyone else does it and cause they don't seem to care and can't even make a stupid announcement.

I mean if they actually ban people I already fall in that poll, so I can also just continue.. bet many other think that way and would stop it if anet actually said something more about it.

Because they've let exploiters go by in the pass (HFFF bots anyone?). Which is way worse then this.

If they added diff colors....

Higher rank resigns!

(In my opinion this is really shameful for ArenaNet to unban hfff BOTS and perma ban Mallyx-Farming PLAYERS but what can I change? Who is more criminal, people who deliberately create a cheat program to automate an already gray area farm or honest players who are struck by the experience of a high level boss in an elite area?
And what was that thing with Duncan? No one even got a warning on their account, yet those who took the Mallyx shortcut are still perm banned)


They should stay more consistent that is all.

So is it worth it to log on today or just keep going on with my life till tomorrow rolls around?

Did anyone already bring up the possibility that net can remove advancing in the quest unless you actually defeat the team or rightfully win? So winning due to a resign means you didn't really earn the win and don't advance in the quest?

That precedent was set a very long time ago. You propose locking the barn door after the horse is gone.

The problem is the RR mechanism will still be there even when they remove HB and replace it with SD. I think people will continue to host RR days for which ever title it is linked to the SD or even the zquest if there is one. The only solution i can think of is make the quests and titles linked to unrated games and limit the reward. That way people can continue to work on titles using the unrated games and the serious players can continue to play rated games free of people resigning or rage quiting on them.

My first two matchs:

Match 1: Sabway player using a Spirit Spam build. Total Domination.

Match 2: Terrible ranger using Discordway demanding that I resign. He had no idea how to play and expects free wins because of it.

JQ and FA: luxon resigns!

No, because it will be random, with dishonor points...

So i doubt that'll work.

as far as i know you dont get dishonor if your whole team resigns?

you know there is a problem when you have PVE guilds spamming recruit lines in hb outpost with NO mention of pvp at all.

i dont see why anet just doesnt add a couple clauses to this:

-must win a battle with rating >=1075 or rank <=3000
-resigns dont count towards title or zquest or resigns in the 1st minute of play do not count towards zquest
-facing no opponent at timer 9:59 results in a "this match has ended prematurely" NOT a win

it's so simple. and i'm sure its been said before. though i must say, i myself don't care. i know anet is lazy and doesnt take a logical approach to many things and have grown accustomed to the mindset "if it's ingame, take full advantage of it whilst you can".

the only thing that pisses me off is the morons who, 20 seconds before match is to start, demand that i leave and call "rr day" as if it's some rule i MUST leave.

I agree i had several people tonight tell me its RR day, you MUST RESIGN and give me win, im like LOLz time to hand out pwnage.

9 times outta 10, the ones that do stay to try make a point have no clue.

19:0 for you guy resigns and you get no win?
gg

True. Look at it this way... I've only HB once before today (like a year ago). My record today was 25-2. Even though I'm now ranked high enough to run into competent players with good builds, it is still little competition.


Also, as I mentioned earlier, resigns can't not count for a win, since resigning occurs many times in legitamate matches when the fight is one sided.

Also, resigns not counting as a win would lead to griefing. Imagine if you had just played a good 8 minutes of the match, and by now the opponent has no way of catching up. He could then resign and just deny you the win.

LOL, my main man knows what hes doing

good work chocobo

I'm going to go do some honest HB now, I'll post the lulzy results.

EDIT: I played two battles, I ended up red both times. I didn't resign so i could play, the blue came after me completely un prepared and got owned so bad they left.