Red Resigns: What will Anet do about this?

to those griefing rr.....no one cares. wow you took screens of a pissed off kid, gj. not entertained at all = 1/10.

I concur.

I meet 1 griefer who tried to get me angry. I lol'd and just went on with my RRing.

GG thanks for the support, I'll post more for you.

i havent done the zcombat quest all day. im just here to tell you you are pathetic, but please, continue wasting your time.

Wow. Blue team gets pretty upset when red doesn't resign. I've been playing hero battles today but actually playing when I draw red. I've been called a few choice names today.

chocobo and chrisworld:
the people you stay against don't do terribly because you're so much better than them, they do terribly because they don't come in prepared to play; doing so would be a waste of time if your goal is to RR, and if you're in HB today without the intention of RRing you're either an idiot or griefing. honestly though, good job - the idea that you guys think other people are so beneath you for losing has me raging probably just as much as you would like me to be.

This.

Man I wish I could be more like chris, hes a pretty cool guy. eh griefs rr'ers and doesn't afraid of anything

Seriously? You're calling someone who wants to play hero battles the way its supposed to be a griefer?

Well Anet just used their banhammer on my account. Just for participating in the RRday. I did fight when needed. Oh and it is not temporary... CODE=045 They think I'm a bot, and the ban is permanent. Did they PM me? No, I was not marked as offline or away. If they pm'd me I would have responded. They could also see in their logs that I was actually quite active helping guildies and just chatting in general.

Wawa... I wan't my account back!

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In terms of RR day, yes, a griefer. Probably not the best of terms to use though.

having fun with this today...bothered to put decent bars on my heroes and teach the stubborn reds a lesson. (honestly...how is exploiting exploiters honorable? two wrongs don't make a right.) getting quite a kick out of all the ragequitting and name calling. i haven't had this much fun in GW in a long time!

yes, because he's not really trying to play legit (he knows he won't be able to given the huge number of people RRing), he's trying to ruin other people's RR attempts. while RRing may be cheating according to anet, it's not impossible to grief cheaters.

I've been doing the opposite. I resign as red and then play as blue when the other guy refuses to. Luckily, they're usually really bad and I can just curb-stomp them in a minute or two while spamming "RED RESIGNS" in all chat.

That.... is just awful logic.


So... you should be banned for cheating if you do RR
You should be banned for greifing if you don't

of course not. you shouldn't be banned for either.

also there's nothing flawed with my logic. the undesirable conclusion you came to is a result of anet's policies.

LOL. Sounds like you may have played my second account in first match. Those builds are pretty much all the skills I have on that one. He comes in handy for z missions, clicking my main's name and following still gets better results than most players and I get double rewards.

Plus he still managed to beat quite a few HBers ..... despite Ricky Gervais and my main acc distracting me.

Oh and I have to agree with your sentiment. If you don't want to resign you don't have to, no matter how many people think it is a great idea. But if you win that many matches you shouldn't really be meeting many RRer's should you?

I'm pathetic, Uhoh.

I am playing HB because I want to best people in battle with my hero team and I'm seeing people rage at me when they are the cheater, lol. Not once on the game box anywhere did it say, "Oh hey..every once in a while HB will be used as RR day and you should follow exploiters" No..it didn't.

Btw...You are raging? You are actually MAD? I Made you mad? Freakin awesome! Tell me more!!! Does it make you even angrier that I am a PvE player?

The fact that you are raging makes me lulx.

Again, I am playing totally legit. No matter what side I go on I play and attempt to best my enemy and capture shrines. I get the Blue team calling me names, now you are calling me names now! Whoo whee, i can't get away from you guys! Dang it!

I know a MOD is going to come along and either tidy my post or remove it. but they should lol at us arguing first and then PM me so we can talk.

I'm not doing anything wrong here. If i recall you are calling me an idiot or a grifer hell you even called me pathetic in a few posts and putting me down and I'm playing legit!

Good Game sucka

/facepalm

after seeing this post I wouldn't be surprised if RRers started /reporting those who don't resign...

Not only they are cheating and getting away with it. Now they even DEMAND to cheat...

seriously... this is absurd.
Are you calling "griefers" and "idiots" the ones who are actually playing HB without match manipulation?

PS - Gz to Chocobo and Chris.
If what you do (playing by the rules) pisses off the RRers, that's the RRers problem... post more raging screenshots plz.

You should be banned for griefing. Compare to the guy taking the law into his own hands because he feels the government/police isn't doing their job. That kind of action is illegal in rl.

RR isn't cheating. If it was Anet would have put a stop to it long ago, not just made some ambigious statement in some hidden blog on an employee's userpage on a wiki that only a fraction of the userbase visits.

Anet has created a game where grind is considered the way to play the game, the in-game rewards given for repetitive behaviour proves that. Finding the optimal way of increasing ones rewards over time is not cheating, it's playing the game Anet has intended. If Anet wanted you to focus on "having fun", "playing with others" or something else they would have put less emphasis on titles, emotes, flashy gear and more on skill balance issues.

Let the hypocrisy end.

Thanks man, At least I know someone here enjoys me. Me and chocobo must be the last people in GW who strive to play normal,.

And in the end... its people like me who get yelled at/banned from guru for defending ourselves FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.

Btw.. I have toooo many screenies of the ragers. But one funny one was the guy who kept calling me a "looser" and using + signs with everything he said.

if you're looking for legit competitive play in HB today maybe my assumption that you aren't an idiot was a bit too generous.

also i never called you pathetic. i called you a griefer until i realized you're either an idiot or lying.

also the fact that you are a pve player made me pop a blood vessel

By most people's standards, joining a UWSC and killing everyone is the same as griefing against the RR's.

1) Cheating : Red Resigns is, officially, cheating, just like any other form of match manipulation. (See the Rules of Conduct for info.) I have been discussing the matter of how it will be addressed with the Live Team, but do not yet have an answer. -- Gaile 01:43, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Red_Resign_day

2) Ambiguous: again Red Resigns is, officially, cheating,[...] Gaile

3) Hidden Blog: "Sorry, I didn't read the fine print in the contract, it is so small I don't read it, so it has no value". LOL.

Nice words, bro.

PS - Chris, I'm not alone just to let you know, other fellow players that haven't got an account here on guru share the appreciation for you and Chocobo...

I wonder how Anet will deal with this organized cheating on their game. They are already going to take out HB, but will they take the time to figure a way to punish most, if not all who participated in RR. So far, I've seen no responses of RR even from Anet, so it leaves their feelings for this questionable. Yes, technically it's against their rules and we would expect them to be irate with the mass organized cheating event. Yet, the lack of response does draw suspicions about them caring about this. Are there even any options they have on punishing the participants, anyways? So far it seems the removal of HB is all they might be planning to do about this.

I've played and I've resigned. It doesn't really matter to me. It's an easy Zquest objective to meet.

You know laymen are often the worst "paragraph riders". (Dunno if that is an expression in english so bear with me)

Let me put it into perspective. Leaving in RA can also be considered 'cheating' by your definition. Anet has seen fit to punish such behaviour with a 10 minute time-out. When the same occurs in HB your solution is a permanent ban?

And yes, it's quite ambiguous that statement you quote. What I interpret is this: "yes, we don't like what's going on but we don't deem it important enough to deal with it." Anet could have prevented the majority of the "crime" by removing the zbounty or removing HB right after the promised "last mAT". It would be very questionable if they willingly let HB continue knowing it would certainly lead to more "crime" and then decided to punish the perpetrators. From a judicial point of view that would be very close to illegal provocation and certainly of questionable ethics.

1.) Ban the rr for match manipulation, ban normal players for griefing, ban anyone not playing hb at all for beeing out of touch with the game
2.) Close down GW1 Servers
3.) ???
4.) Profit

Down with the RRetards

I think they aren't doing anything against rr-day as a form of z-key farming to compensate for the last months of XTH absence :s.

I would also add -1) Start charging money for GuildWars.

Why do people care?

If both people abide by RR, both profit.

If blue doesn't resign, red leaves and gets another match to minimize time wasted and blue gets +rating and +commander point.

If red stays and fights then whoever is better wins.

Only real idiocy is when red demands blue resign and QQs when s/he doesn't. But then those people are retards who don't understand they can leave and get another match with a RR person in the time it takes to rage at blue.

How can it be ambiguous?
They didn't write "we dont' like what's going on", you can interpret those words as you like, but they used the exact words officially and cheating. There is no debate on that, unless someone wants to grasp at straws.
If I'm told by an arbiter or by those that make the rules that something is cheating, I don't see it as ambiguous, instead I follow the rules set by the arbiter.
The fact that there is no punishment nor any other consequence, maybe because a lot of people decided to do RR, doesn't make it less "cheaty" or "unofficial" or debatable.

Also, my solution is not a permanent ban, I don't remember writing something like that.
It is solely Anet's decision on how they will address the issue.

This RR is exploiting a game mechanic to get a fast amount of money, in a way that wasn't intended, and in a way that has been defined by the same Anet as "cheating".
In the past they treated rule breaches accordingly to severity: they perma-banned those who exploited the Mallyx outpost, temp-banned for 15 days the HFFF botters, stripped of their gold cape a guild involved in match manipulation.

I decided to stay clean and not enter any HB during the RR-days, because I'm following the rules, and so did many other players I know.

I agree.
But at the same time this will mean that it is allowed to do what Anet itself defines as "cheating" on its own servers without any consequence as long as big numbers are involved.


"oh hay dude, I RR-ed all day and got 500k and 100zkeys. And you? Nothing? OLOLOLOLOLOL"
Rewarding cheaters.
A bad sign IMO.

Some of these posts make me cringe.... I wasn't griefing the kid, I should be allowed to play HB on Zquest day without having to take part in this failfest. The fact that you think it is griefing and is a bad thing to do is a joke.

This is too funny...

The fact that someone had to ask on that blog/userpage tells me that seeing this RR thing as cheating is not as apparent as you/Anet want it to be.

I don't think all of the RR people are even aware that what they're doing is against any rules. Their actions certainly aren't harming anyone, everyone seems to profit and they all cheer happily "Happy RR day! :-))".
An important factor in penal law is that people need to be aware of doing something illegal. That is not to say you can plead innocence just because you haven't read up on the law. It's everyone's responsibility to know the rules that apply to them, but if the rule gets vague enough you can't sentence people based on it. At least in my country there is an unwritten rule of aquittal for actions that don't violate "the common sense of justice"(my translation, probably not 100% accurate). My point is that whether this is "really" against the rules or not, Anet really shouldn't exercise authority based on it because a large amount of the participants probably aren't aware that they are doing something harmful. If they want to make the rules more clear or change how the system works for the future, that's fine. Then they can ban to their hearts content. In this case Anet had plenty opportunity to "nip it in the bud"(There's a saying something like that, right?), but failed to do so.

Agreed.
I won't shed many tears if Anet goes overboard on this one, but I can't help but think how incredibly poor Anet handled this thing.

I don't play HB so correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are playing "legit" wouldn't your rank be high enough to not face the RR crowd?

It seems to me that all you griefers would get a rank higher than the pve RR crowd and face each other instead. That way you get to run around with your heroes and play HB the way it's supposed to be - the "fun" way?

Coming on guru posting screens of people in despair, trying to be funny at their expense and even bragging about beating a sabway guy is a bit...
It's wonderful that you take it upon yourselves to police the arena and teach the pve'ers some pvp but tbh I'm not interested in how many people you have managed to aggravate today.

Well there are people who don't tank their rating a bit before they do this but I can't imagine many people staying high enough to face people that actually play. It makes me laugh these guys bragging about beating people who expect them to resign when the reason they're probably facing them is because they're terrible and have a sucky rating. Anyway the rest of your post is well said

I think this will end up like at the time that there was a 'glitch' inside Urgoz, years ago. When there was no easy way of getting Zodiac weapons other than going Urgoz and opening the chests inside of it or killing everything hoping for a gold zodiac weapon to drop.

There was no final chest for completing it too, so getting a perf moded Zodiac weapon could be easily sold by 100k + because of the rarity.

What happened in there?
The first aggro that pops up in front of you is a group of Hoping Vampires, and they use a monster skill to suicide them over the players. Thing is, even using this skill, it was considered like if the players in the area killed them, so after they suicide, items were dropped. GOLD items, Zodiac ones.

Players made loads of money selling perf Zodiac Weapons over 100k+, made a ton of points for the Wisdom Title, got loads of Black Dye..

As soon as Arena Net found out about this, they said that this was considered cheating, that would lead to bans and that it was against the game rules.


Sooooo, what happened then?
- Nothing, except that they nerfed the Hoping Vampires, they don't drop anything now.
- People made a lot of money due to the massive farm over the 'glitch'.
- I really don't know anyone who got banned by doing this at that time. Many of my friends that did that at that time, are still playing GW, no warning no ban, nothing.
- This really screwed up the Zodiac weapon prices but, as we all know, there's almost no item in game that can be dropped and really be considered rare anymore.


GW is a grinding game now, everyone is after titles and stuff for Hall of Monuments. Some achievements requires a lot of money, which is hard to make it without selling rare weapons (cause they aren't rare anymore), or farming something over and over (FoWSC, UWSC, SoOSC, KathSC, Dungeon Runs ..etc.) to raise money for them without taking a life time.


I'm not saying that this behavior is right, I'm just sharing my thought of this being a consequence of the Title Grind-mania that Anet created among the players to make them play GW over and over.

So, imo, this will end up like the Urgoz 'glitch'..
- Nerf, so no one gets any profit of it anymore
- Remove HB not only because of 'RR Day', but because it's dead on the other days
- .... and move on, because after all, people will forget in a while..


Some people are even talking about RR Day for AB.. it wouldnt turn in Z-Keys so fast but, Luxon and Kurz title massive farming.. so.. I guess a solution for this.... might take a while.

Ok let me clarify:

The point of me posting those screenies was to show that all RR day does is reward people who don't deserve to be rewarded. It's like giving the guy who came last in a race $10,000 while the winner only gets $100. It's just not right. I never was trying to be funny about it, It was more pity for the whole expectation of me to resign against a guy who couldn't tell a cap point from his asshole.



Also, I'm not that great at HB, so my rank goes up and down depending on who I fight. So I sometimes fight with people who want to play, and most of the time I fight against RR people, probably because 95% of the people in HB on Z-Quest day are trying to do RR.

You don't understand, this is a giant experiment and you are the labrats. Anet is watching and making notes on how many ppl, when and how long jumped on the bandwagon, who did not and why not, how the inflation is accelerating, etc.

Or the whole live-team is on vacation because Hawaii is dirt cheap these days, and there is only a technician guy at the helm ... who is RRing all day long.