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Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

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24 Oct 2009 at 23:31 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by headlesshobbs

I concluded that with my main as well. Soon as I switched to ranger I became target to every sin on the block. Real problem is there's just no way to actually defend against them.... hence being overpowered.

Natural Slide? Pin Down?

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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24 Oct 2009 at 23:36 - 122

Heck, with natural stride, rangers are one of the few people who can survive against a sin. They can't kill em... but they certainly can out last em.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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24 Oct 2009 at 23:38 - 123

Quote:

Originally Posted by headlesshobbs

I concluded that with my main as well. Soon as I switched to ranger I became target to every sin on the block. Real problem is there's just no way to actually defend against them.... hence being overpowered.

1) Let them palm strike you
2) As you see them using trampling ox, activate natural stride
3) Kite, let cripple end on you
4) When you're no longer crippled, use pin down and run

Quote:

Heck, with natural stride, rangers are one of the few people who can survive against a sin. They can't kill em... but they certainly can out last em.

A good sin can easily get around natural stride, depending on how good the ranger is.

Jessyi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

24 Oct 2009 at 23:39 - 124

Why are people so colossally terribaed @ costume brawl?

Is:
1) Go to BC shrine
2) Kill stuff
3)???
4)PROFIT
so hard to understand?

How can people fail to realize this?

Sharkinu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Romania

Smells Like Bear Spirit [Norn]

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24 Oct 2009 at 23:42 - 125

Got 24 consecutives today with a team made of:
1 mes
1 sin
1 ranger
1 necro
1 derv
Was lots of fun. Played as a rager and like it

. All professions were easy to solo as a ranger, except for ele and mesmer which is quite hard and monk which is not hard but takes a while. Most sins were easy to kill with natural stride pin down and spamming keen arrow.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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24 Oct 2009 at 23:42 - 126

Yeah some of the weaker classes need to be balanced better.

Also 9 matches and I haven't had a full team for an entire match.

Round of applause for Guild Wars players.

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

25 Oct 2009 at 00:21 - 127

I've been trying natural stride for awhile and for some reason I haven't been blocking the spike chain as I hoped. Maybe it's just some bad luck I've been having? Otherwise I can usually get an int in.

Chasing Squirrels

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

25 Oct 2009 at 01:07 - 128

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessyi

Why are people so colossally terribaed @ costume brawl?

Is:
1) Go to BC shrine
2) Kill stuff
3)???
4)PROFIT
so hard to understand?

How can people fail to realize this?

Down Syndrome?

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

25 Oct 2009 at 01:16 - 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by headlesshobbs

I've been trying natural stride for awhile and for some reason I haven't been blocking the spike chain as I hoped. Maybe it's just some bad luck I've been having? Otherwise I can usually get an int in.

Palm can't be blocked since it's a touch skill. Trampling (and all duals) will hit at least once 75% of the time through Natty, causing the knockdown. If the sin manages to hit Falling Spider - the only part of the chain that has 50% chance to hit - then Blades of Steel (edit: Twisting Fangs, lol) has 75% chance again.

So no, it won't really do so hot.

OoO Rift OoO

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2009

127.0.0.1

Rt/

25 Oct 2009 at 01:27 - 130

Jesus Beam, I Choose You!

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

25 Oct 2009 at 01:32 - 131

You'll hear me cussing that alot.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

25 Oct 2009 at 01:50 - 132

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Palm can't be blocked since it's a touch skill. Trampling (and all duals) will hit at least once 75% of the time through Natty, causing the knockdown. If the sin manages to hit Falling Spider - the only part of the chain that has 50% chance to hit - then Blades of Steel (edit: Twisting Fangs, lol) has 75% chance again.

So no, it won't really do so hot.

The probability of string failure is much greater than 50% here, and you're losing damage from missing hits regardless.

A safer plan:

1) Make sure you have plenty of energy. Then run up to him and Palm Strike -> Trampling Ox to force the Nat Stride. You'll probably get a cheap KD here, which is handy because it mitigates two seconds of damage.

2) He runs away to get some space.

3) You Death's Charge in when PS recharges, then PS -> normal Twisting string. Nat Stride has a 12 second recharge, so you will string cleanly.

4) Sig Malice anything bad (especially cripple) off. If he runs, he degens out. If he stands his ground to Troll/Antidote Sig, you clean up with a PS -> Trampling -> Falling -> Crit Strike string. Either way, he dies.

If you insist on burning the TF string through Nat Stride, odds are you'll waste 5 energy whiffing the Falling Spider or, worse, waste 10 whiffing the TF and be unable to land Deep Wound for 15 seconds. Both are bad outcomes you want to avoid. The downside risk of whiffing the Falling Spider isn't large if you're flush on energy or you're 1v1ing, and there are times the 50/50 proposition (followed by a more or less free Crit Strike through Nat Stride) is worth it.

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

25 Oct 2009 at 01:54 - 133

I'm not arguing with anything being said there - I was basically explaining the math since he wondered why he was getting hit so often through Natty, and most sins can't take their face off their keyboards long enough to actually use combos wisely.

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

25 Oct 2009 at 02:14 - 134

The ranger should be savaging the palm strike. If that fails, you can still try the nat stride which is less foolproof.

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

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25 Oct 2009 at 02:27 - 135

@Feathermoore Rep

I can't tell you how many times I've been on a loosing team that quickly turned it around by just capping. If you don't cap the opposing team will and will have a crap load of buffs over you, also battle cry wins games.

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

Umes Uranger U[bot]

25 Oct 2009 at 02:46 - 136

Anyone know if armor insignias/mods/inscriptions work? How about inscriptions that reduce condition durations?

Sankt Hallvard

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2006

25 Oct 2009 at 03:30 - 137

I'm serving as fodder for sync teams in CB. I enjoy losing to you lot, you probably need gamer points more than I do anyway.

Thanks Anet for fixing syncing. You recognized the problem which is probably more than you usually do and applied a half-assed "fix" that didn't solve anything other than letting us have french people on the non-synced teams more often. Hip hip hooray!

Maker of the fallen

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2008

Epic

W/E

25 Oct 2009 at 03:45 - 138

got 19 consec. (forgot to screen) the team was
1 war
1 ranger (me)
2 monks
1 rt

This was really nice because we could effectively split
sins and eles were the easiest kills i've ever gotten
eles were easy because blind was easily removed and they always had enchants, making the elite actually worth while.
Sins wow there are 4 skills that counter them so easy
1. Rupt either palm strike or ox
2. Antidote signet right after palm
3. natural stride
4. Crip shot as they are heading your way then when they Shadow step degen them to death.

Yeah sins cant touch a ranger with half a brain
same goes with warriors

2 cents=in

Louva A Deus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Sydney, Australia

Ascend of Things/ Nowhere/ Whatever

N/Me

25 Oct 2009 at 03:58 - 139

Just got a 15 game winning streak, was an excellent team, but were simply outclassed in our losing game. I find the best way is, no matter WHAT people say and how much they bitch, is to stick together and cap and defend the most important places. By map, I find that on the map with 2 shrines, plus 1 in the centre bottom (Asura Map), is the simplest strategy. What my team does is rush to the middle shrine bia the teleporter, win the initial fight, which usually 5v5, then camp there. The most important thing on this map is to stay in range of the centre shrine. If you win the initial battle, even only by 1 point, you will always win the game if both teams stay stationary due to morale. The centre shrine gives 2 regen, as do both of the others put together. For the map with the centre bridge, grassy and circular, my team stays together when everyone says "split 2-1-2 and regroup", which never works. I rush Battle Cry shrine with 5 people, then back to Morale and Health. The easiest way to win this map is to draw an imaginary line lengthways down the map. NEVER cross onto the other teams side. Patrol up and down your side, keeping all 3 shrines when possible, demoralising any enemy stupid enough to cross your team. For the last map, the one with the bridge and kite shaped shrine formation, I rush to Battle Cry, not stopping for the first health one, as you get it simply by 5 people running past. I then cap Battle Cry and Centre. These are the only 2 shrines you need. Stay in the middle of those 2, moving to fight when necessary, but never go further than the bridge away from them. Now, I know a lot of people are going to quote parts of this saying "rubbish, never stick together unless fighting always cap cap cap". This is BY FAR, THE most effective method in my experience, with a co-operative team. Hope this helps everyone.

EDIT: In a different random team atm, and applying same tactics... Working flawlessly.

Portraits

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

California

25 Oct 2009 at 04:37 - 140

I really enjoyed the war bar. Tiger stance was nice to spike with and also to get the jump on and interrupt queued palm strike/non-ias'd dev. Healsig reminded me of frenzy, which was kinda nice touch, since you had to watch the eles while you were using it so you didn't get fried for 200 dmg. Using defensive stance reminded me of using protectors defense in W/N raptor farming (sins ball on you in exactly the same way lol)

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

25 Oct 2009 at 04:45 - 141

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

The ranger should be savaging the palm strike. If that fails, you can still try the nat stride which is less foolproof.

Which just touches off the usual skill cancel war. I highly recommend that you switch randomly between interrupting PS and Trampling after you get the first PS. Otherwise, I know that you're always going to try to interrupt the PS, skill cancel, and you're now in the Nat Stride game I want you in. It costs you some damage on the times you interrupt Trampling, but it's well worth the overall returns.

Chicken of the Seas

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

California, USA

Vulpes Velox [Fox]

Me/

25 Oct 2009 at 04:50 - 142

I thought I would hate ROJ and that it was pointless, but I've seen that it can actually be useful for getting melee players off your ass.

Wefta

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2008

Bai Paasu Reach

The Wild Stallions [WS]

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25 Oct 2009 at 04:54 - 143

Haha so many antons and Nikas running around :P
Though I liked the last year's sin build better.

Apollo Smile

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

[LORE]

E/Mo

25 Oct 2009 at 05:19 - 144

Just got out of a fantastic win streak. Had 2 eles, a warrior, monk, and dervish.

harpharp

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2009

25 Oct 2009 at 05:41 - 145

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

Said it before but nope. Districts are separate in CB just like they used to be in RA.

sigh :/

do you think support will check if i submit a ticket for syncers? got my 5-6 win streak ended earlier by some syncers which was pointed out by a monk in my team that they were all from top guilds. 3 of them were from the same guild too. Wanted to submit a ticket but feel discouraged as i have no idea if it will work since its very hard to prove syncing altho there was a good lot reason to believe the team i faced was a synced one.

oh yea just earlier on i had 3 guys in the same team with me from same guild trying to sync in an asian dist. when they got 2 of us they started sighing and demanding us to resign and claimed they won't fight. Lol

Srsly must u guys even ruin this title track?

GWfan#1

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2009

My Character Liked Gwen [First]

R/

25 Oct 2009 at 05:52 - 146

I was playing ele today and got dominated by a sin, every time I blinded him he would get rid of it almost instantly. He would use that signet like a ranger would use an interrupt to my spell :\

Should have gave sins Mobeius or something >:|

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

25 Oct 2009 at 06:01 - 147

Beating assassins mostly comes down to "interrupting" PS or failing that, trampling ox. Every class has a way to do this, but you have to be paying attention (while the sin of course 123s ftw). Pretty easy to predict against 80% of narutards, but the rest you get the skill cancel war mentioned.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

25 Oct 2009 at 06:01 - 148

Quote:

Originally Posted by harpharp

Srsly must u guys even ruin this title track?

Blame the devs. The incentives to sync Costume Brawl were bad enough two years ago. Player skill is exponentially additive, because it's basically a kill count map with some incentives to cap. If the rest of the team is comprised of idiots and gets farmed, my relative level of playskill is meaningless. In Snowball Arena or Dragon Arena, you can often carry a bad team against a somewhat better team. That doesn't fly here, because individual idiocy gets punished a lot harder and individual playskill doesn't get rewarded as strongly.

Couple that with bonuses for consecs...and anyone whose goal is to max the Gamer title track either syncs or is a complete idiot. Since better players tend to have more lofty goals...you get the idea.

Even if you DO implement the RA fix, people will counter by splitting large groups of people across every possible type of district, then subdivide into voice comm channels based on who they land with. If you get enough people syncing at the same time, you WILL land in the same teams.

The only way to deter syncing would be to hand out a lot of bans. The incentives to sync Costume Brawl are that strong, and you can't fix them without stripping Gamer points entirely or redoing the format entirely.

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

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25 Oct 2009 at 06:21 - 149

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Which just touches off the usual skill cancel war.

Rofl how many sins have you seen in CB that skill cancel? How many games have you seen the sin not even have to because the ranger just randomly uses savage?

Cres

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2009

25 Oct 2009 at 06:22 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by harpharp

sigh :/

do you think support will check if i submit a ticket for syncers? got my 5-6 win streak ended earlier by some syncers which was pointed out by a monk in my team that they were all from top guilds. 3 of them were from the same guild too. Wanted to submit a ticket but feel discouraged as i have no idea if it will work since its very hard to prove syncing altho there was a good lot reason to believe the team i faced was a synced one.

oh yea just earlier on i had 3 guys in the same team with me from same guild trying to sync in an asian dist. when they got 2 of us they started sighing and demanding us to resign and claimed they won't fight. Lol

Srsly must u guys even ruin this title track?

Yeah I figured out people were still syncing after I kept losing over and over and over again while playing randomly because I'm not cheating. When you take the random out of a random battle it just isn't fun at all.

Galatine

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2009

Leading Into Prosperity

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25 Oct 2009 at 06:35 - 151

So there's still syncing going on? I was really hoping they'd fixed that 'cause random battles can be really fun, but I kind of figured it out when I lost four times in a row 20 to ~5 going random. gg zz

Lhim

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Rt/

25 Oct 2009 at 09:55 - 152

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galatine

So there's still syncing going on?

Yeah, it's pretty lame.

Kc Quipor Ultra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2009

Belgium

TRL

E/Me

25 Oct 2009 at 10:12 - 153

What is syncing ? :P xD

Louva A Deus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Sydney, Australia

Ascend of Things/ Nowhere/ Whatever

N/Me

25 Oct 2009 at 10:14 - 154

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kc Quipor Ultra

What is syncing ? :P xD

Where people go to a near empty district, and all join at the same time to make a good team combination.

My New Name

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

25 Oct 2009 at 12:11 - 155

lame...
1st day it was fun now always get crap teams and get raped by obviously more balanced teams...
sync more plz...

.HunTer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

W/E

25 Oct 2009 at 12:19 - 156

I like it.
The professions are balanced,etc...
Assassin is the most balanced class,they have:

• Heal
• Shadow Step
• Knock Down
• Poison
• Bleeding
• Deep wound
• Condition removal
• Armor ignoring damage
• Easy energy
• High health regeneration
• And the last but not least,THEY HAVE ADVANTAGE OVER EVERYONE!

Almost a 10 in 1 character.

gg

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

25 Oct 2009 at 12:32 - 157

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maker of the fallen

Yeah sins cant touch a ranger with half a brain
same goes with warriors

This. Sins are only labelled OP because most CB players are too retarded to beat them straight up.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

25 Oct 2009 at 12:52 - 158

I've been playing as a sin for a bit, and I kept laughing my ass off at many other sins I ran into.

The really bad ones would DC at me and lose the initiative on their 123. Most of the time I then managed to SoM the cripple off me when PS finally landed before they could drop me in turn.

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

25 Oct 2009 at 13:01 - 159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Which just touches off the usual skill cancel war. I highly recommend that you switch randomly between interrupting PS and Trampling after you get the first PS. Otherwise, I know that you're always going to try to interrupt the PS, skill cancel, and you're now in the Nat Stride game I want you in. It costs you some damage on the times you interrupt Trampling, but it's well worth the overall returns.

Ok, you're saying Sins will do skill cancels. But, you have to remember this is Costume Brawl. Most sins are complete idiots. I've had multiple sins who wait for 6 seconds after they use PS and try to trample me. Unless they are good(rare), they won't skill cancel.

Villnar Shadowbane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Canada

Ascalon Is That Way

W/A

25 Oct 2009 at 14:36 - 160

Had a 20+ Win streak with 2 Assassins, Monk, Warrior, Ele.
The one assassin left because, we wouldn't split 3-2 on EoTn map...
After 20 wins I think its fair to say you have a decent group and leaving was a bit pointless on his part. As for gameplay I find most people know what they are doing this year... So happy battles + win streaks! GL to all.