Will Anet's Handling Of GW1 Dissuade You From GW2?

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dream wind, that not fair, one thing i loved about nightfall is how you could move around the map, but only to a certain point. While with factions it was the opposite of prophecies where you had complete movement, factions had finish the quest before you can come in, you might be afflicted who can be sure. I for one hope that the nightfall model is used so that if you are exploring, you can still go to the city and it isnt wasted. One other thing i hope they do is have unmaxable money titles, with only 1 rank

example
nothing
party animal(1000)
party animal(2000)
party animal(4256)

where is shows beside the title how many you have used. But only if they are having titles, and only if they are having money titles.

trialist

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The irony of judging GW2 by how GW is handled is that you reach a conclusion to buy the game and play it as soon as it comes out or not at all.

Cause if you base it on GW, the game will go downhill after that and be abandoned for GW3 when they no longer can do anything about it.

So its either you play it from the start and have warm fuzzy memories to harp on when it all goes downhill or don't even bother at all. Lol.

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I will wait for ANET to beg me to come back to Guild Wars. Only after that, I will spend my hard-earned money on their products.

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Anet has handled GW1 to the best they could with such a small live team. I'd love to see anyone challenging them to do any better.

I'll be buying GW2 CE without a second thought. I've never, ever had a problem with support (Except when they falsely perma-banned me for hacking, which promptly got revoked), but I will not compare apples to oranges. From what I've seen, they'll be two different animals. They're going to have much more support for GW2.

I feel that's the unfortunate mistake people are making: Thinking that GW2 is going to have the tiny support team GW1 has.

I'm going into GW2 with no expectations: It's a new game and you'll make new expectations out of it. GW1 has given me two years of enjoyment and I'll happily continue that enjoyment well after GW2 is out and about.

obsidian ectoplasm

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If I am still wasting my life playing video games when GW2 is released , I will buy gw2


if GW2 is treated by anet the same way they trat gw i wont be playing GW2

Clobimon

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Question One: I believe they've handled GW adequately considering their reasons, resources and ultimate goal.
Question Two: does not really apply

I feel like I've answered this question put in similar words a dozen times. The more time goes by the more certain I am that the CE order will be in on the first day it's available. That isn't to say that "more certain" is even possible or ever has been. I honestly don't understand why anyone that does or has even mildly enjoyed GW would not pick up the standard of GW:2. Even if it's not exactly to your liking I'd wager that you'll get at least as much playtime out of it as the run-of-the-mill garbage solo games we've all bought time and again.

I continuously wonder if many, many people have little experience with mmo companies outside of ANet. ? Have people forgotten the amount of attention, game additions, fixes, changes, extras, that GW received as a game of primary focus? Are people aware that even in the 'stagnant' state of GW it's still being taken care of in a better fashion than some current 'big name' games?

So yes, when ANet gets GW:2 ready for release, the game they've envisioned for so long, I won't hesitate to buy it and support them. One of the reasons being that they'll be supporting it like I know they can, well.

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Comes out tomorrowz. But ya, people who can "predict" a game being bad are just plain dumb.
Actually it's not that hard. Any online multiplayer game made by EA usually deteriorates pretty quickly.

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No, based on the quality that Anet has been given GW1 and the silence from GW2, I'm not too happy right now. I'll probably buy the CE edition anyway and wait for the wikis to come out, then make my decision to resell or play the game within a month or two based on how Anet handles the game.

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Actually it's not that hard. Any online multiplayer game made by EA usually deteriorates pretty quickly.

Pretty much ANYTHING made by EA usually deteriorates pretty quickly.


Mmmm... SecuROM.

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I feel that's the unfortunate mistake people are making: Thinking that GW2 is going to have the tiny support team GW1 has.
No. The unfortunate mistake people in this thread are making is assuming that even with a full support team GW1 was run perfectly, or even better than a lot of other games.

Anet has made a LOT of extreme errors that people have simply forgotten about. Perhaps people have forgotten due to the good Anet has done, or perhaps they have forgotten due to the fact that the community and people that realize these errors aren't playing anymore or posting here, or perhaps they have forgotten just due to bad memory.

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No. The unfortunate mistake people in this thread are making is assuming that even with a full support team GW1 was run perfectly, or even better than a lot of other games.

Anet has made a LOT of extreme errors that people have simply forgotten about. Perhaps people have forgotten due to the good Anet has done, or perhaps they have forgotten due to the fact that the community and people that realize these errors aren't playing anymore or posting here, or perhaps they have forgotten just due to bad memory.

No game can ever claim that they haven't had their fair share of problems. I don't think "extreme" is the correct term to use only because what is extreme to one man isn't to another. That isn't the point, though. Every game and game company is going to have issues, and some of them are going to be far monumentally worse than others.

But you can't hold that against a company forever. If someone finds these past mistakes are so horrendous, and suspect they're going to happen in GW2, it's an easy solution: Just don't buy the game.

Later on, if/when these fears are proven wrong, the solution is just as easy: Go out and buy it.

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i will buy gw2 but the way they handle gw 1 might make me reconsider my decision. (bots + cheating - syncing, goldbuying), imbalanced skills (sf,ursan,600), announcements mostly done on journals instead on the official site, e.t.c I understand its a free subscription game and no company is perfect but felt they could have done more. Above doubts makes me wonder if gw2 will go in the right direction.

For the record I quit WoW for GW as GW allows solo gameplay for pve so i dont have to group with idiots, even spent a decent amount of money on gw, prob more then the avg player would buy and i hate to see all that money gone on gw2. In fact i think introducing heroes was a right direction cos most players i grouped with to do zaishen missions were competent, unlike those i grouped with for example, urgoz and the deep. Thinks EOTN was well done and factions the worst.

If gw2 turns out to be a WoW clone its goodbye GW, back to WoW.

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No game can ever claim that they haven't had their fair share of problems. I don't think "extreme" is the correct term to use only because what is extreme to one man isn't to another.
Sure every game has problems. But I know a lot of people (frankly almost everybody I know who used to play) who have flat out quit over Anet decisions. To them those errors are enough to be classified as extreme.

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate
But you can't hold that against a company forever. If someone finds these past mistakes are so horrendous, and suspect they're going to happen in GW2, it's an easy solution: Just don't buy the game.
In this case I prefer to use the old saying. "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior."

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As it looks, GW2 will mainly be a PvE game. Probably decent. At least better looking and with a persistent world. There is a pretty big difference between how Anet have treated the PvP community and how it have treated the PvE community. At this moment PvP players are way more resentful towards Anet than the PvE players, and rightfully so. They initially made the game as a PvP game, with GvG as their pride and most competetive format, and PvE was basically designed as a tutorial/intro to the game. With time they realized that the vast majority of PvE players are.. well, PvE players. They do not make the transition to PvP. Since they are in majority, PvE is where Anet (and NCsoft) can make their money. So they completety changed course; stopped caring about PvP and focused on PvE - expanded it and made it easier. And since around the announcement of GW2 they stopped caring much about PvE too (they have just thrown in some mindless grinding and consumables).

Personally, probably not buying the game. It depends. Apart form my general contempt for how Anet handled the game and its community, and the suspicion that GW2 will meet the same destiny:
1. Not particularly interested in PvE unless it is awesome.
2. PvP will likely be a different game, maybe very different. Not sure why I would consider it. Could just as well play HON, TF2, BLC or whatever.
3. I suspect that the PvP will be poop.

If the PvP will be more or less the same but improved in certain aspects (better skill balance, no P, D or A, fewer maps, considerably fewer skills, only Elites from first prof, much, much better servers etc), I will consider buying the game.

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will their handling of gw dissuade me....no, however; what they are changing of the game I can play will. (its a form of vertigo----if I watch homemade videos I get nauseated ......lots of games do this as well----gw did this minimally when I first started playing, from what I have seen in the previews and what has been expressed on movement, I theorize that it will be unplayable by me therefore no reason for me to spend my husband's hard earned money on it).
will I buy gw2---NO as I will not be able to play it.

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Sure every game has problems. But I know a lot of people (frankly almost everybody I know who used to play) who have flat out quit over Anet decisions. To them those errors are enough to be classified as extreme.



In this case I prefer to use the old saying. "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior."

Well, that's their decisions, as much as I find them rather poor decisions. I'm not the one to tell them how they should and shouldn't feel. It's simply a game. Especially in games like this, you adapt and move on. That's what makes games like this unique. I agree, they haven't handled EVERYTHING as I feel they should have, but I'm not going to quit over it. The game has given me far more enjoyment than it has disappointment. I suppose that's what has me shaking my head at some people quitting. You've played for X number of years, but Y and Z happen and you suddenly quit? A few mistake (Whether you like how they were solved or not) are going to nullify years of enjoyment?

Ah, well. Like I said, it's not my place to tell people how they should or shouldn't feel. Just my two cents, take it for what it's worth.


I don't think Anet has done anything, in my opinion, that could make me quit a game I've thoroughly enjoyed for two years.

Burst Cancel

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I think some people need to recognize that they are no longer (or never were) the target audience, and that GW is simply not compatible with their idea of entertainment. Thinking about the game in plain good/bad terms is oversimplified and ultimately unproductive.

I won't be buying GW2, but that's only because I've given up gaming altogether. The industry is increasingly focused on mainstream, "quantity over quality" attitudes, which gives me absolutely no confidence in their ability to make games that are worth my time to play.

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If they handle GW2 like they did GW1 I will obviously be playing it. I don't think I can be playing a game as long as I have Guild Wars (since release) and say they did a piss poor job of handling their game.

In the end, through all the rage and bs A-Net has done a great job to have sold so many copies and keep players playing this long.

Expect GW2 to be another hit.

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II View Post
I will wait for ANET to beg me to come back to Guild Wars. Only after that, I will spend my hard-earned money on their products.
lol, egotistical much?

Bristlebane

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Definitely buying GW2 and I'll judge it from there. So question is not about buying GW2 or not, but if I buy any more expansions once they're made.

Angelina Collins

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Will not buy GW2 until I am sure Anet will stop nerfing skills, and completely stop any type of "balancing" to ensure everyone is on an even playing field.

Anet destroyed GW, because they focused all their attention around only one part of the game, that being HOH, all the balancing for builds and skills was done because of player complaints that certain groups were dominating HOH, thus Anets efforts to "balance" that part of the game, in return destroyed PvE. This continued until GWEN. Also Anet realized their mistake, but instead of restoring what they had destroyed, they came out with gimmick skills which only enraged the community more.

I enjoyed all aspects to GW, but Anet needs to learn that their focus, when game play is involved should be towards every part of the game, not just one area of the game. They also need to stop tweaking the game for the worse, not the better. That means no more nerfing of skills. So I hope they are testing their skills well before final release of the game to ensure that everything is on an even keel. Still, however I will most likely wait a couple of months before making my decision to buy the game, to ensure it's not business as usual once Anet gets their revenues in game sales.

Bob Slydell

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I was actually thinking...why not buy GW2 anyway (even if you aren't going to play it after) to play through the storyline, like most have with GW1 and just stop. I know some people who did with GW1 like I said. You could still check out GW2, play it till you ebat it on one or two characters, then be done. When a new expansion comes out you can beat that too. You guys can't be THAT materialistic about a damn game not even released yet that you won't even play it once to have a feel for the storyline or complete it?

This is of course... if GW2 is a storyline based game like GW1....

Just another one of my 2cents

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel View Post
I think some people need to recognize that they are no longer (or never were) the target audience, and that GW is simply not compatible with their idea of entertainment. Thinking about the game in plain good/bad terms is oversimplified and ultimately unproductive.

I won't be buying GW2, but that's only because I've given up gaming altogether. The industry is increasingly focused on mainstream, "quantity over quality" attitudes, which gives me absolutely no confidence in their ability to make games that are worth my time to play.

This.

It seems the gaming golden age has passed, companies are more worried about squeeze every dollar from the players that actually provide a fun game.

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I will buy GW2 for sure, surely the CE.

But i have to tell i dont like how ANet handling GW1 since GW2 has been announced like 2-3 years ago. Since 2 years they are giving us nothing to play in PVE. Empty mission areas, same missions, titles what you can only grind during events, same events, with same monolouges.

PvP is quiet unaccesable in any form (except RA and AB wich are rather not real PvP) for those who was trying to get into after 2008. Elitism everywhere.

I was really expecting at least 1 more expansion in the past 2 years to keep ppl in the game. 90% of the ppl i was playing with in the past 4 years are quited GW already becouse it is boring. They are loosing ppl everyday. The only thing keep me in GW is that i want to max Hom so i can take advantage in GW2 from it.

AND they told us to be patient after GW2 beta was promised to be made until 2008 december.

Kenzo Skunk

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Of course i`ll be buying it the same instant it becomes available. What kind of silly question is this?

Riot Narita

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"Will Anet's Handling Of GW1 Dissuade You From GW2?"

No. If anything, it's the opposite.

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Two parts to this.
One: Do you think GW1 has been handled well since Anet moved onto GW2 overall?
Two: If not, will in what way will this affect your view on GW2? Will you still start playing/preorder ASAP? Wait for community feedback? Wait to see how good support of the game is?
One: Could have been better, but I don't have any problem with their handling. In many ways I have been impressed.

Two: N/A since I didn't answer "no" to one.

If ANet's support for GW2 matches the pattern of GW1 (which I think was great for several years) I'll be happy. I've had years of enjoyment from GW1, its one of the best value games I've ever bought. The way things have turned out in its twilight, doesn't bother me - it's even to be expected after this long.

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ill buy it cause i did love gw at one time some of the things ive heard from anet and from past experience says i tend to dislike sequels but it wont stop me from buying it. i got a half dozen sequels that just sit here but there is the odd one in ten chance i might like it or love it more then gw and that makes up for every cent spent on other sequels in the past so ill take the gamble from the start

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Going and buying GW2 after playing with GW1 is like women in general. They are pretty much the same just different lumps and humps. hehe They all lure you in and then when they getcha they want to CHANGE everything and most especially about YOU not THEM. I wouldn't expect much difference in GW2 from the last few versions of GW1. There's going to be grind, titles and solo play oriented (that should tell you right there it's not going to be like it was in the beginning). More of an open pvp system in a persistant world (with player choice so that means no ganking like in the good ole online rpgs origionally)

All GW2 is is just another suck the customers out of their money rehash of this one. It won't really be any better it will just have a few new bells and whistles for the same price. You have to open your eyes and see this company doesn't survive on monthly fees therefore it has to reproduce the same game over and over again and different pretty pictures for more money out of you.

What will determine if I buy it or not is the persistant world pvp system. I've played their pve game and it's pretty boring and easy even solo 99.9% of everywhere in the game. Plus losing my favorite heroes to become just one beefed up power character is not my idea of fun. I like party combat and I like creating my own characters. Even though heroes ruined GW1 I still like them when I play more than the stupid henchies they created. (dumb stupid programmers).

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Originally Posted by shoyon456 View Post
One: Do you think GW1 has been handled well since Anet moved onto GW2 overall?
Not at all.
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Two: If not, will in what way will this affect your view on GW2?
Not at all.

See, it's pretty much granted GW2 will be an awesome game, unless big changes unbeknownst to us happened at ANet. But since their managerial and decisional departments suck it's bound to rot like GW1 did, so I'll be playing it from day one until it stays fun.

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Of course i`ll be buying it the same instant it becomes available. What kind of silly question is this?
Thats reality. I laugh every time i see some "no , ANET nerfed bla bla /did whatever and im not going to buy GW2 !!! Q_Q " .... like someone would believe that

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Originally Posted by shoyon456 View Post
One: Do you think GW1 has been handled well since Anet moved onto GW2 overall?
GW was a great game. But that's the sad part, it "was" a great game and it aged really bad unfortunately. They basically dumped it all when they realized they failed to build something durable and maintainable and they've turned it from fun to a grind festival.

So I am pretty sure they will do the same with GW2, sooner or later.

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Two: If not, will in what way will this affect your view on GW2? Will you still start playing/preorder ASAP? Wait for community feedback? Wait to see how good support of the game is?
I guess I'm on the cautious side now. I won't buy right away that's for sure. I might not buy at all as I am kind of tired of MMOs and "leveling up" ideas

But I'm looking for a fun game, one that makes me feel good after playing and gives me the occasional laugh. Any suggestions anyone? Somehow I think GW2 is not going to be that game, I think it will (as GW did) turn into a grind fest sooner or later (and the info so far: high level cap, grinding for crafting eq with stats that really matter not just looks, etc... it actually seems to incorporate grind right from the start)

daraaksii

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No. I left GW like a year ago and don't really care how they did with it.

I'll play GW2 for 1-2 years, and if shit happens, I'm off.

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GW1 is amazing, nothing will make me not get gw2
Enough said!

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Will be getting CE on release... no question.
Haven't worked on HoM for nothing lol + It looks great so far

Altho, If I were to choose between having GW2 or Diablo 3 released first, I'd say Diablo.
Looks lot more kickass to me =)

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One: Do you think GW1 has been handled well since Anet moved onto GW2 overall?
As well as can be expected. Far from perfect, but it could have and can be far worse.
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Two: If not, will in what way will this affect your view on GW2? Will you still start playing/preorder ASAP? Wait for community feedback? Wait to see how good support of the game is?
It won't. I am 95% likely to get GW2 CE on preorder. If you work out my cost per hour on my main account for GW1 I'm below 2p an hour. That alone means that the game is good in terms of cost for me. If I don't get the game it will be for some other reason - starting a family, job/time restrictions, lost interest in games for example.

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ITT: We think we know whether or not we'll be buying Guild Wars 2, based on a 4.5 year old game and the very limited amount of LORE we have so far.

Uhh... Yeah..

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I assume we'll have GW3 in 2016?
That'll leave us a nice 6 years of playtime.

I'd rather that there be little, but nice updates every now and then in GW1 and lots of work on GW2, than major updates every now and then and a fair amount of work on GW2. We'd have to wait for it even longer.

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Originally Posted by mathiastemplar View Post
Will be getting CE on release... no question.
Haven't worked on HoM for nothing lol + It looks great so far

Altho, If I were to choose between having GW2 or Diablo 3 released first, I'd say Diablo.
Looks lot more kickass to me =)
I played Diablo 3 at BlizzCon twice in a row.

I can guarantee you, it's absolutely amazing. I went last year and the year before.

Vulturion

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Re: OP questions...

1] The handling's OK; on the one hand it would have been nice to have a less pronounced drop-off (full team > half team > live team), but on the other hand it would have been foolish to slow down GW2 leaving staff working on not-for-profit GW1 content.

2a] Handling of GW1 post-EotN has in no way negatively impacted my enthusiasm for GW2.

2b] I will be playing/pre-ordering ASAP, though I'm not sure if I'd want to volunteer for beta as it might detract my launch experience (I usually just beta test games I've neutral-to-little interest in).

2c] Sadly I must lol at the community feedback notion; GW1 is my favorite game ever with my greatest entertainment cash-return ratio ever, but if I'd approached it via 'the community' I'd have been under the impression that its a pile of junk coded by monkeys for the sole purpose of fleecing a few dozen PvPers and OCD farmers.

2d] Not sure what is meant by support here, as I don't associate the GW franchise with having formal support beyond sending NCsoft tickets and watching your inbox. Since the business model remains the same, I'm certainly not expecting GW2 to have official forums or in-game moderators either.

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Yes anet have done pretty well keeping gw1 going while putting resources into gw2.
I look forward to gw2 and hope it has some familiar aspects while being a different enough game to hold my interest for years to come.

I do like the idea of there being areas where players can meet up other than in specific pvp games, not sure how it will play out but look forward to trying it out.
gw pvp has never impressed me its far to boring difficult yes but still very limited, so Am keen to see what they come up with in that area.