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Alfrond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

The United States

Boston Guild [BG]

Mo/Me

18 Dec 2009 at 01:28 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

They should make money by selling more copies of their game.

Oh wait, they can't, because people aren't interested in buying a game whose own developers pretty much abandoned it, as did the majority of the community. Whose fault is that? Yes, it's ArenaNet's fault, their decision to work on GW2 instead of releasing GW: Utopia and doing regular skill balances.

A game like GW relies on sales, which relies on keeping it appealing to the average gamer, and one of the requirements for that in a multiplayer game is that there is an active community and the gamer can easily see that. Since ArenaNet lacks the competence to maintain a community and keep their game selling, they've decided to imitate korean "game" developers and go with microtransactions.

I don't know if Anet could really have kept working on Guild Wars 1 forever though. I mean, I'm sure Utopia would have been neat and perhaps the next installment after that would have been cool too...but eventually they would have to move on. I'm sure they wanted to take advantage of changing technology and act on the lessons they learned from Guild Wars 1. The only real way to do those two things is to make a sequel...a process that necessarily takes a lot of time, effort, and money. Hence fewer bits of new content and less regular updates for this game. And as for the money issue...the costume idea is a good way to help out with that.

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:29 - 82

Uh, sorry money is tight and I'm slightly insulted Anet thinks I am stupid enough to pay $6-10 for an ingame "costume" in a dying game. Give me the damn skill update, stop putting out flashy updates and give us CONTENT.

I paid for the BMP gladly, but I will certainly not pay for this.

On the fact that it seems like we can now wear festival hats without compromising armor...too little WAY too late.

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

18 Dec 2009 at 01:29 - 83

That Grenth/weaponset/ele looks freaking sweet, Motoko.

Probably not going to buy it, but still.

x sithis x

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

[Pro]

N/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:31 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznkda

Just brought it, awesome costume. $10 bucks is pocket change to me, at least it goes and support anet.

wanna buy mine?

... lol all i need is your paypal or credit card xD

novawhiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

A/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:33 - 85

people are so dumb to think this is replaces a skill update.

How long does it take to quickly skin up 2 not very interesting armors and adding them to the in game store?

How long does it take to completely rework skills, test them, test buggs, test new enemies with new skills, test for new unbalances, test for QQ support?

zhongzh

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

Temple of Ages

Mo/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:34 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

They should make money by selling more copies of their game.

Oh wait, they can't, because people aren't interested in buying a game whose own developers pretty much abandoned it, as did the majority of the community. Whose fault is that? Yes, it's ArenaNet's fault, their decision to work on GW2 instead of releasing GW: Utopia and doing regular skill balances.

A game like GW relies on sales, which relies on keeping it appealing to the average gamer, and one of the requirements for that in a multiplayer game is that there is an active community and the gamer can easily see that. Since ArenaNet lacks the competence to maintain a community and keep their game selling, they've decided to imitate korean "game" developers and go with microtransactions.

We know that they decided to go down the road of GW2 because of the problems 10+ professions and thousands of skills would cause, not because of something income related. I wouldn't say they are at fault per se since this was a long term plan to keep the franchise alive, so its not like they had much choice in ending up where they are now. although this costume thing is in fact an attempt to get things lively again, i agree that they should be focusing on proper content updates.

Besides, every time they added a new purchase option they included stuff that's free as well. We got a free storage panel last time, and this time we get to use our old hats without sacrificing armor.

novawhiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

A/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:38 - 87

oh and then we get all the people QQin about RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing $10.

OMG Anet has let us play for free for almost 5 years and now they want us to spend $10 on an optional costume?? wtf???? omg anet QQ

Joe Hostile

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Redmond, WA

Rebel Rising [rawr]

18 Dec 2009 at 01:42 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

try updating the game with free content for once would be nice for a dying game.

Are you serious?

Giga_Gaia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Travelling around Tyria, Cantha, and Elona

P/W

18 Dec 2009 at 01:47 - 89

If we were to buy these costumes through the NCSoft Store, wouldn't we get instantly hacked? Not sure about the in-game store though. Is it more secure? I wouldn't mind supporting Anet with a few bucks...

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

18 Dec 2009 at 01:53 - 90

I'm always just a little bit too late! Anyway, heads up for tomorrow:

http://twitter.com/guildwars

guildwars: Stay tuned tomorrow mid day PST for another chance to get a costume code. =D ~RB

thedarkmarine

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

18 Dec 2009 at 01:54 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

They should make money by selling more copies of their game.

Now this is retarded. Companies make money by making things people want to spend money on. A piece of content you're not interested in, or you seem to find unorthodox, is still a perfectly legitimate way to make money.

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:54 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gennadios

There are currently only 2 costumes available, and they cost pennies to produce, and by there very nature are made to look good.

"Cost pennies to produce"? No... We had several artists working long hours to create and implement these costumes, not to mention the other team members who were involved in making this happen. We actually do pay our staff.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:55 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

They should make money by selling more copies of their game.

Oh wait, they can't, because people aren't interested in buying a game whose own developers pretty much abandoned it, as did the majority of the community. Whose fault is that? Yes, it's ArenaNet's fault, their decision to work on GW2 instead of releasing GW: Utopia and doing regular skill balances.

A game like GW relies on sales, which relies on keeping it appealing to the average gamer, and one of the requirements for that in a multiplayer game is that there is an active community and the gamer can easily see that. Since ArenaNet lacks the competence to maintain a community and keep their game selling, they've decided to imitate korean "game" developers and go with microtransactions.

If you want to start Guild Wars be prepared to to shell out at least $50, for a 4 year old game. If you want to just PvP you can just spend $20 and grind for weeks, or pay $80 right off the bat, for a 4 year old game.

Alternatively you could play TF2, while only 3 years old, is still supported. All of the cosmetic items (aside from one small hat) are free. Has no required expansion (or any expansion at all). Just had a huge update with tons of entertaining stories attached. Its only $20, on sale for $10 this weekend, occasionally goes on super sale for $2.50, and even then its completely free this weekend! I'm only here because I'm waiting for the update to go live.

Support + Marketing = success in business.

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:55 - 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

is the dwayna one different colors for different proffesions? lol at more income for them ;-)

Costumes can be dyed, including the hair that comes with the Dwayna costume.

SerenitySilverstar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

18 Dec 2009 at 01:56 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhongzh

Why are people thinking that asking us for an *optional* purchase with absolutely no impact on the game is a stupid idea? Do they not understand the basics of business? Anet isn't some charity running this game out of the goodness of their hearts. They need to make money, plain and simple.

This. Basic marketing people, really. You want a dedicated Live Team to keep the game running and fix the things you really want fixed? Then they'll need an income stream.

It boggles my mind that some people expect a game to made on fresh air alone.

Grj

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

18 Dec 2009 at 01:56 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by novawhiz

oh and then we get all the people QQin about RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing $10.

OMG Anet has let us play for free for almost 5 years and now they want us to spend $10 on an optional costume?? wtf???? omg anet QQ

Did someone buy the game for you because i payed money for my games... its only $10 ok...

Buy purchasing this content for only $10 the playerbase is essentially telling anet:

they can freely attach a fee to any kind of update regardless of how small it is... £5.99 for two costumes?! I bought eotn on release day for £14.99 figure that out...

Anet seems to have a legion of fanboys that misinform others that this game has no fee's what so ever regardless if its optional of not.

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:57 - 97

too late, too much $, with the added bonus of getting your account blocked because of how they handle their in-game store purchases, plus whatever hidden bonus of having your account hacked due to some security flaw

PASS

edit: +1 to this would have been time better spent fixing XTH, and the creep towards microtransactions is always a turn-off

how about that having been the reward to some new quarterly content update, you know, that other promise that was broken?

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:57 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

"Cost pennies to produce"? No... We had several artists working long hours to create and implement these costumes, not to mention the other team members who were involved in making this happen. We actually do pay our staff.

It'd be nice if you'd pay them to update the skills....

(not the artists obviously, but I guess they have to have something to do too...)

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

18 Dec 2009 at 01:58 - 99

I was like woah when I first heard that costumes were added. I must say I love the Dwayna one. <3 Wasn't too fond of the Grenth one (don't like the mask), but now I see it dyed I kinda like that one too. Oohh what a dillema! To get or not to get? XD

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

18 Dec 2009 at 01:59 - 100

Play nice, let's contribute to the thread all right? If you don't like it, that's fine tell us why. If you like it, that's fine, tell us why. Let's get some feedback in here instead of clever and witty one-liners.

Staying on topic would also be a nice bonus as well.

Minami

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2008

Dallas, TX. USA

Not in any guild at the moment

N/

18 Dec 2009 at 01:59 - 101

Aww I just saw the code giveaway on twitter...
I don't have a twitter account. Missed out on it big time.

I think the costumes look awesome, though $10 bucks is not chump change for me. Will have to think about this one... And sign up on twitter...

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

18 Dec 2009 at 02:02 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minami Kaori

Aww I just saw the code giveaway on twitter...
I don't have a twitter account. Missed out on it big time.

I think the costumes look awesome, though $10 bucks is not chump change for me. Will have to think about this one... And sign up on twitter...

They have them on Facebook too.

Shewmake

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Alabama

Mo/D

18 Dec 2009 at 02:02 - 103

I love the icicles on the horns of the Grenth mask.

As for adding costumes to the store, that's a direction I hope they don't take with items that actually affect gameplay.

I wonder if there are any plans to allow everlasting tonics and costumes to be put in the HoM.

Voltaic Ectoplasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mallyx's pimped out Crib

Mo/A

18 Dec 2009 at 02:02 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by novawhiz

OMG Anet has let us play for free for almost 5 years and now they want us to spend $10 on an optional costume?? wtf???? omg anet QQ

That doesn't make sence..... at all.... They have let us play free for almost 5 years.. and they would like the odd 6 pounds just for a little something.....

Look at WoW look at how much money they draw in per month its like scamming :P

So stop Q.Qing and thank urselves lucky that GW is F2P
Blizzard reel in probably tripple *Maybe even more* the ammount Plaync do..

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

18 Dec 2009 at 02:03 - 105

I don't care, I'm buying it. Grenth costume is awesome.

novawhiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

A/

18 Dec 2009 at 02:06 - 106

You can buy all 4 games for 50 bucks now...50 bucks for 5 years of playing

even if you bought them all when they came out thats still an incredible bargain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grj

they can freely attach a fee to any kind of update regardless of how small it is... £5.99 for two costumes?! I bought eotn on release day for £14.99 figure that out...

.

and this is one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. This isnt you must pay for new skill updates, or pay for weapons or armor that count or even pay for something that can be sold or translated into gold.

This is just a nice little luxury item that has no purpose but to make people happy with a nice new costume.

Anet doesnt even come close to freely attaching fees to updates.

If you even try to suggest that anet is money-hungry then im sorry but you are an idiot

Nessar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2008

West Siiiiiiiiiiiiiide

Gwen Has A Thing For [Pyre]

18 Dec 2009 at 02:08 - 107

I love the costumes

They look cute on tiny monks. I'd say the female Dwayna is my favorite. I also love supporting Anet and a dead game

Voltaic Ectoplasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mallyx's pimped out Crib

Mo/A

18 Dec 2009 at 02:08 - 108

Anet added the costumes.. You either buy or you don't.... theres no need to QQ about it.. Its not like there actually forcing you to buy it

novawhiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

A/

18 Dec 2009 at 02:08 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltaic Ectoplasm

That doesn't make sence..... at all.... They have let us play free for almost 5 years.. and they would like the odd 6 pounds just for a little something.....

Look at WoW look at how much money they draw in per month its like scamming :P

So stop Q.Qing and thank urselves lucky that GW is F2P
Blizzard reel in probably tripple *Maybe even more* the ammount Plaync do..

hmm maybe something got lost in translation but that was my point exaclty. i agree with you

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

18 Dec 2009 at 02:08 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

"Cost pennies to produce"? No... We had several artists working long hours to create and implement these costumes, not to mention the other team members who were involved in making this happen. We actually do pay our staff.

I wasn't referring to artist wages. I meant in-game. They're too cheap and easy for players to attain. Jus spending the first 30 minutes of the Update in the Eye, I saw more of those two sets than I care to.

My concern is the saturation of that particular look within the game. Armor sets and certain tonics take effort to get, and their (in-game) price reflects that. Not so /w the costumes.

Also, why are Proph native chars shafted as usual by having them wait 'till LA to craft the costumes?

Minami

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2008

Dallas, TX. USA

Not in any guild at the moment

N/

18 Dec 2009 at 02:08 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

They have them on Facebook too.

I don't have facebook either

Time to sign up there too I guess >_<

Esprit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dvd Forums [DVDF]

E/

18 Dec 2009 at 02:08 - 112

Cool costumes, a bit pricey for me though. Throw in a bonus character slot or storage slot and I'd consider it though.

The costumes would have been awesome as a tonic, in my opinion.

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

18 Dec 2009 at 02:10 - 113

Anet, you poor thing, 8.99 euros for two costumes lol. I admit they're nice though.

Could have been a free x-mas gift to the community, but no, they need to squeeze every penny out of it.

I've bought everything from special edition weapons to BMP, extra character slots and all extra storage panes. But I feel insulted by this offer like Sabre Wolf mentionned earlier in this thread.

X-mas, a time of giving...from our wallet to Anet lol.

Lord Dagon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2009

Inside the Oblivion Gate

The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE]

E/Me

18 Dec 2009 at 02:10 - 114

i perosnally feel its a just amazing thing that regina comes on to the forum and tell us they have been working hard on this.. they need to be more worried about ig economy as opposed to their own. To me i like the content but the money/value is preety low... But, it seems regina talked to us.. theres a + i was starting to think they has fired her.. shes been preety much that wuite w/ us.. cough*gaile was so much better*cough

SerenitySilverstar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

18 Dec 2009 at 02:10 - 115

Ok, so people are saying "$10 for a COSTUME".

So, what WOULD you pay extra for? Leet stats weapons or armour? Access to skills? A more powerful pet?

Because those are game breakers, which create the Haves and Have Nots. The game centered around balance, and equal chance/stats for all. A player should not be rejected because they don't have a particular skill or item that can only be bought with real world money.

Yes, this ideal is what has caused the hate for micro-transactions in other GAMES - let's not make it a racial thing here.

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

18 Dec 2009 at 02:11 - 116

Again, you don't necessarily have to buy them. You can win them...

Check out their Facebook and Twitter.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

18 Dec 2009 at 02:15 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

"Cost pennies to produce"? No... We had several artists working long hours to create and implement these costumes, not to mention the other team members who were involved in making this happen. We actually do pay our staff.

Well how much do skill updates cost? Will we be seeing those included into microtransactions? A lot of people sure seem to want them.

Lord Dagon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2009

Inside the Oblivion Gate

The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE]

E/Me

18 Dec 2009 at 02:16 - 118

"Again, you don't necessarily have to buy them. You can win them...

Check out their Facebook and Twitter."~jesus

Wait.. now they are trying to reach us through popular media.. im worried.. i dont even think wow has done this.. thats a scary thought(i could be wrong i dont have a facebook page or a twitter) xD

Aussie Boy

Alcoholic

Join Date: Mar 2007

Australia

W/

18 Dec 2009 at 02:16 - 119

They do look good and in some way does suport them with our money.
However I will probably wait for the 25% or 50% off this down the road.

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

18 Dec 2009 at 02:18 - 120

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

"Cost pennies to produce"? No... We had several artists working long hours to create and implement these costumes, not to mention the other team members who were involved in making this happen. We actually do pay our staff.

Sorrow's Furnace was for free and I'm sure a lot more people worked on that. I do understand Anet can't pull something like that for free anymore, but seriously, this offer is laughing with your playerbase.