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jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

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18 Dec 2009 at 04:33 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by x sithis x

lol 600smite actually takes somewhat skill so dont nerf it
not like perma when you can just gather 1000000023 things and just be like what eva what eva i do what i want

No, because casting spell breaker, spirit bond, running into a mob, soa, spirit bond again, and then just standing there until everything dies, recasting soa on recharge, takes a hell of a lot more skill than casting deadly paradox and then SF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

Be very careful here. Please remember that both Protective Spirit and Spirit Bond are essential staple skills in most non-farming PvE and PvP contexts.

You also do not think we (the TK) know this?

Leonhart

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Ascalon City

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18 Dec 2009 at 04:44 - 42

Without 600/smite groups does this mean going back to taking FOREVER to max allegiance titles again D:

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

18 Dec 2009 at 04:55 - 43

I have just added two threads in the warrior section in case people would like to have a specific discussion about those items individually there.

Hammer Mastery thread
Tactics thread

Ninja Ninja

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

18 Dec 2009 at 05:03 - 44

Improvements to hammers is very nice to see.

Anon-e-mouse

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

@ Home

League Of Friends [LOF]

R/Mo

18 Dec 2009 at 05:05 - 45

Leave 600/Smite alone, it's not overpowered, it takes a measure of skill, and more than one player, it's not even remotely invincible.

And even more importantly Protective Spirit, are 2 ESSENTIAL protection skills that should never ever be touched because of the sheer naked damage output of most foes.

Giga_Gaia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Travelling around Tyria, Cantha, and Elona

P/W

18 Dec 2009 at 05:10 - 46

It's all up to you now, Test Krewe. You guys (and gals?) are the s**t. The bar has been set and the community's standards are very high. While it's understandable that nobody's perfect, the first impression is the most important and so this skill update will probably make or break your reputation.

What I'm trying to say is: we're all looking forward very much to the fruits of your labour.

GWfan#1

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2009

My Character Liked Gwen [First]

R/

18 Dec 2009 at 05:22 - 47

Sounds good to me.

Micro215

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2008

Liars Cheats and Thieves [Liar]

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18 Dec 2009 at 05:34 - 48

I look forward to the update. I have to say I'm suprised at the amount of people claiming 600/smite takes skill, not sure if they really believe that or that is their excuse to keep their farming ability alive when shadow form goes the way of the dodo. I know you aren't invincible but you can let prot spirit and sb drop and still survive, shadow form drop = death. neither takes a great deal of skill and that's what made them appealing the casual players as a farming option.

On the faction note, not too worried for luxon cause the worst that it will do is cut your faction earning potential in half. mqsc ~ 10 min, mq h/h ~ 20 min meh.

afya

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/Me

18 Dec 2009 at 05:58 - 49

Don't touch 600 smite~
it is not broken. Yes its fast killing, but not like SF u walk thru everything and go straight to the boss/chest, u still need to kill.
Nerf the farm, not the build.

Reflect

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

Varna,Bulgaria

Glob Of Ectospasm [GoE]

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18 Dec 2009 at 06:29 - 50

" Skill Updates are for games that matter. "

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

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18 Dec 2009 at 06:31 - 51

Given that you said this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiggles

No, because casting spell breaker, spirit bond, running into a mob, soa, spirit bond again, and then just standing there until everything dies, recasting soa on recharge, takes a hell of a lot more skill than casting deadly paradox and then SF.

Makes it clear that this:

Quote:

You also do not think we (the TK) know this?

Is not a given, and also worries me that the TK may know it but may not care in its zeal to kill farming.

Reflect

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

Varna,Bulgaria

Glob Of Ectospasm [GoE]

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18 Dec 2009 at 06:32 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonhart

Without 600/smite groups does this mean going back to taking FOREVER to max allegiance titles again D:

Took me 2 months to go from r4 to r12 kurzick with JQ Only(and there was no freaking faction event all those 2 months

)

Hotboxin240

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2009

Wtf Am I [Doin]

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18 Dec 2009 at 06:43 - 53

*pleads for derv buffs* *Very seriously pleads for derv buffs* Or at least nerfs in accordance with other classes out damaging the derv with it's own weapon.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

18 Dec 2009 at 07:09 - 54

By the looks of it, the update has the potential to be one of those magical moments where we'll be able to /point and /laugh at the people involved!
Good times for the /pointing&/laughing crowd.
Bad times for the game.

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

D/

18 Dec 2009 at 07:10 - 55

One bridge at a time. Dervs do need help, but we can't expect Anet to fix everything all at once (plus, rangers and mesmers also need some help, though I wouldn't say they need it quite as much).

Thank you, Anet. I'm glad to see you're keeping your promise of more openness when it comes to these sorts of things. I look forward to the results of this skill update.

I also suspected that 600 was going to take a hit, but meh, it was overpowered too, if we are truly honest with ourselves (just not anywhere near as much as SF).

Hey, don't complain about grind being too long without 600/Smite, guys. I tried suggesting a fix to that, remember?

In any case, it is possible to max alliegance titles without 600/Smite. For example, just a couple days ago I hit r10 kurzick, just vqing DT with my dervish.

metal ftw

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

Spamadan ad1

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18 Dec 2009 at 07:17 - 56

Leave 600/Smite alone, just nerf imbapower shadow form
p.s. do not feed trolls pls

II Lucky Charm II

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Seoul, Korea

Mo/Me

18 Dec 2009 at 07:42 - 57

Very wise of Regina to publish news concerning Shadow Form and other farming builds. People should cease this opportunity and invest every gold coins they have into ectoes as we are all aware that the fundamental law of economics still covers this situation. Kudos to you, regina and the team. Thanks for informing us and help make the rich, richer. Sometimes, it's best not to be so specific and open about a certain issue ^_^.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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18 Dec 2009 at 07:44 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

Be very careful here. Please remember that both Protective Spirit and Spirit Bond are essential staple skills in most non-farming PvE and PvP contexts. They probably should not be messed with. Probably the best way to tackle 600/smite is to nerf the "smite" component of 600/smite into the ground. I am not able to think of a satisfactory way to change either PS or SB to break 600/smite without doing huge collateral damage to normal play. Be very careful if you try.

PS/SB interaction is not problem. It can tank well limited amount of enemies, but will fail when encountering larger mobs which can produce enough damage packets to exhaust SB charges faster than player can reapply it - five enemies under hm buff is breaking point, even with 2s recahrge, not to mention that energy will be eventually issue.

It Is SOA interaction that makes it overpowered.

First, SB triggers even if SOA reduces incoming damage to zero, that means that SB is free to healup any damage that can get past SOA.

Seccond, Essence Bond/Balthazars Spirit still grant energy even when recieving zero damage. Essence bond does not grant energy when recieving zero damage usually - with exception of SOAed damage, so there is quite huge inconsinstency.

Fix theese two bugs, and 600 without soa will not be imba anymore.

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I kind of do not minda 600 myself because i still would like to eventually use it to finish up kurzick title in sane amount of time. Kind of ironic, eh.

Vazze

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

18 Dec 2009 at 08:07 - 59

Thanks for letting us know about the planned changes. I am of course disappointed that it is not gonna happen this month but at least we know what to expect when.

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

18 Dec 2009 at 08:19 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

Guys, just try to have a good Wintersday. The Test Krewe is really taking these skills and proposals seriously. I can assure you, no random darts are being thrown.

For the love of Dwayna, I hope you're not part of the Test Krewe. I saw you troll plenty of topics last years and I don't have faith in you whatsoever. So no, you're not assuring me, on the contrary.

Cantos

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

Legion Of Losers

18 Dec 2009 at 08:47 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

[*]Balancing Midline Spike – Several skills have been identified as overpowered. Several of these skills have brought more damage and defense to GvG midlines than we'd like. This de-emphasizes distinctions in roles between frontline and midline characters and removes some of the versatility we've seen in midline characters in the past.

It's nice to hear you're specifically looking at this. Good luck with it, and be brave.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

Please remember that both Protective Spirit and Spirit Bond are essential staple skills in most non-farming PvE and PvP contexts.

I dont think either of these are used in serious PvP any more.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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18 Dec 2009 at 08:50 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

For the love of Dwayna, I hope you're not part of the Test Krewe. I saw you troll plenty of topics last years and I don't have faith in you whatsoever. So no, you're not assuring me, on the contrary.

Can I assure you in his place?

(do not worry, i am not in krewe)

Yelling @ Cats

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2009

18 Dec 2009 at 08:55 - 63

dont get your hopes up people, it's only going to be a 4-5 month span between skill updates

expect a half-assed fix of a few farming builds, and completely insignificant changes elsewhere

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

18 Dec 2009 at 09:02 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Can I assure you in his place?

(do not worry, i am not in krewe)

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distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

18 Dec 2009 at 09:04 - 65

Huh, looks kinda good. Im going to have to get my final few runs through dungeons before this comes into play.

Still, im looking forward to these changes - particularly tactics and hammer mastery.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

18 Dec 2009 at 09:10 - 66

No skill update this month.

Why am I not surprised? Seriously, the chances of me buying GW2 are getting lower and lower.

xenosagafreak

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2009

In Utero

Mo/W

18 Dec 2009 at 09:11 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantos

I dont think either of these are used in serious PvP any more.

Spirit Bond isn't used in serious pvp anymore?

What? Wow, just wow.

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

18 Dec 2009 at 09:12 - 68

I'm really disappointed I have to wait another month till they nerf SF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

Seriously, the chances of me buying GW2 are getting lower and lower.

That.

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

18 Dec 2009 at 09:13 - 69

Another slice of disappointment.

Turbo Ginsu

I despise facebook

Join Date: Feb 2008

Australia

Meeting of the Lost Minds

Me/

18 Dec 2009 at 09:18 - 70

So the basic message to be gleaned from this is:

"DW everyone with stacks of ecto and goodies, we're looking after your interests, after the nerfs, you can expect your net worth to rise tenfold, and to those have nots, BUAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!"

An RPG without farming is as logical as an FPS without guns. Seriously..

4thVariety

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

European Union

ADL

E/

18 Dec 2009 at 09:42 - 71

I often ask people what the definition of skill is supposed to be and what sort of button press constitutes skill? We all should know that once you are settling in to farm anything by having a combination of skills outsmarting all enemy offense and defense, the rest is always a regular series of buttons being punched in the same order.

However, I never get an answer laying down the law of this "skillful play". If you replay dungeons over and over, then you will always have the same button presses and of course any regular human can learn that. That does not lessen it one bit. The only alternative would be random button presses in reaction to what the game says. Would you rather farm like this?

Droven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/

18 Dec 2009 at 09:42 - 72

So, no ranger love again?

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

18 Dec 2009 at 09:44 - 73

yes please bring back 6 hour DoA

/endsarcasm

Squalus the Ipno

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Italy

Italian Dreams

Me/Mo

18 Dec 2009 at 09:50 - 74

To Regina:
pls take a look to this worthless elite skills: STONE SHEATH instead of focus always in faming builds. What the purpose of that elite skills???? Who uses it???? Pls change that .......elite skill PLSSSSSSSSSS

nologic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Sweden

E/

18 Dec 2009 at 09:51 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

yes please bring back 6 hour DoA

/endsarcasm

Yeah why not took more skills than bashing on the sf build..
Most farmers these days are just i smell failure in the morning i cant run anything else.

And no people who saying that 600 smite takes skills its freaking easy even a newbie can learn it. :O

Turbo Ginsu

I despise facebook

Join Date: Feb 2008

Australia

Meeting of the Lost Minds

Me/

18 Dec 2009 at 09:57 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by nologic

Most farmers these days are just i smell failure in the morning i cant run anything else.

Where are you getting your highly suspect numbers from? Most farmers these days are like farmers since RPG's began.

"I would much rather not search for a party for an hour so I can grind for 2-3 hours, and waste at the least, some dp removers, at worst, 8k or more worth of cons, to be rewarded with less $ than I'd get in a vanq, or better still, for 2 diamonds/onyx."

Your point is as pointless as most of the other narrow mindset-types around this place..

The Josip

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2009

Me/

18 Dec 2009 at 10:06 - 77

I'd like to buy skill balance from GW store. It's why I bought game, why I liked playing it, and why I didn't have it even installed for a long time lately.

Pleikki

WTB q8 15^50 Weapons!

Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

18 Dec 2009 at 10:44 - 78

Ah cant wait for the update! everything in there seems awesome.

Hammer buff for PvE is nice O.o

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

18 Dec 2009 at 10:48 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleikki

Ah cant wait for the update! everything in there seems awesome.

Hammer buff for PvE is nice O.o

That , if they buff bonuses and lower some recharges and/or adren skills usage.... wooouuuu it would be awesome.
Waiting to see the Tactics buff ofc , hope they tie some of them to STR to avoid Mo/W abuse.

asb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Europe

Me/

18 Dec 2009 at 10:50 - 80

There should be a swarm of incubi migrating from one continent to another in random order, settling in specific explorable areas where a lot(a LOT) of enchanting is going on and certain skills are used excessively.

Trap farming? Too much trap laying parches the ground, which takes traps twice as long to set and gives them a 33% chance of not activating.

Any ideas for stance farming and spirit farming?