Discuss general pve hero usage.
HigherMinion
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Originally Posted by Lusciious
anyway,
I realise how much I use MoP (shadow/armour ignoring damage) and how often i see 42 damage . However, what i didn't realise is that you don't find a lot of skills which reduces the damage of MoP even though there are a lot of skills which are capable of reducing armour ignoring damage .
Because of the fact that OoV deals extra life steal in small packs, shielding hands / turtle shell can reduce it to 0 .
Quote: So i can come to the conclusion that life steal in large packets > armour ignoring damage in large packets > life steal in small packets > armour ignoring damage in small packets > rest .
Holy / Shadow damage / spirit attacks = Armour ignoring .
Life steal = life steal . Life steal has no damage type . Firstly, Holy and Shadow damage is not armour ignoring. And if you look in the description of Barbs and Mark of Pain, where does it say "Deals x Shadow Damage"?
Life-stealing, is not affected by any prots, and is in a seperate packet. I think you have made some bad observations.Because when, for example, a Stoneflesh Mandragor uses Stoneflesh Aura, Barbs will do 0 damage; even with BuH. However if you have OoV active, it will carry on stealing as much as it always did.
Life-steal>Armour Ignoring>Holy/Shadow>a blunt spoon>Elemental. lololol
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Yes i know how you said that heroes position spirits badly . well .. i don't have a solution for that but i guess it worked fine for me up to now so yeah .. i'll just see how it goes . And i don't have to rely on many physicals for damage dealt by OoV to be up to par with SoS . which means blind doesn't reduce my DPS much but it would affect my DPS a lot if i used OoV . apparently, i did very badly when our team had to split up in that mish . OoV didn't help my team much since it was 4 casters with spears . and i was the one (with minions) attacking the most . Also, what kind of damage is the additional damage done by attack skills e.g. death blossom . Every hit steals life. Quote:
ah crap, you got me :P You know when you type something when ur tired and it doesnt look right? but ur brain doesnt know why? thats what that is :P
Quote: Quote: Enchantment Spell. For 8 seconds, damage and life steal received by target ally is reduced by 3...15...18. When Shielding Hands ends, that ally is healed for 5...41...50 Health. Concise description Enchantment Spell. (8 seconds.) Reduces incoming damage and life steal by 3...15...18. End effect: heals for 5...41...50 |
Life-stealing, is not affected by any prots, and is in a seperate packet. I think you have made some bad observations.Because when, for example, a Stoneflesh Mandragor uses Stoneflesh Aura, Barbs will do 0 damage; even with BuH. However if you have OoV active, it will carry on stealing as much as it always did.
Life-steal>Armour Ignoring>Holy/Shadow>a blunt spoon>Elemental. lololol Wrong again . Quote: Mark of Pain deals 10...34...40 shadow damage to adjacent foes. Quote:
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Depends on the area. If you're worried about att spread, the MM I run has 3 in domination. You don't need a spread of anything. Power return + Cry of Frustration keeps alot of spells down, more so than what people give credit to. It's not as if the MM is doing much either. 
Now you have what you need from channelling (Splinter weapon), you still have 2 aegis, 2 prot spirit, dwayna's sorrow and this time, you have a res spell 
and of course, longer prot spirit and aegis since my OoV is using 20% enchant weapon . 
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Your build focuses too much on defence . Imbagon ? 2 semi healers ? a protter ? There is not much damage . Why not get a P/N MoP Support ?
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if you have an imbagon, you don't need 2 healers to keep your party up . infact, an ER infuser and a motigon (it's on pvx . a support paragon ) would be good enough .
Don't ever suggest a motigon to anyone. Ever.The SoS/MM + OoV provides alot of damage and defense. Sure it doesn't go as fast as something that abuses AP-MoP, but I don't see a better alternative.
An ER isn't necessary on this team because as you said, there is already godly defense. The only thing to improve is the offense. Everything I use contributes to the offense in some way. Imbagons kill slowly and that's just the way it is.
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I have MoP, Splinter, OoV . That's alot of physical support .
I can't use MoP. Heros are complete shit using it and I don't like to micro anything. And where am I going to put it? On my MM? Splinter and OoV are both on there, both at 16.Quote: Originally Posted by Lusciious
I have 2 aegis, 2 prot spirit and spammable prots e.g. rof and shield guardian to push red bars up and massive aoe heals from dwayna's sorrow and shield guardian and OoV .
And you're criticizing me for too much defense?Quote: Originally Posted by Lusciious
I also have a lot of minions to proc MoP and barbs . And i have no problems with conditions and my res heals the whole party .
You're a necro. Don't compare it to a Imbagon. Conditions don't do jackshit in PvE unless you run into 20 mandragors or get hit by massive blind/daze.
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And you're criticizing me for too much defense?
SY reduces 82.5% damage . is my 50% block or 10% prot spirit too much ? with such a high damage reduction . there is no need to bring aegis or prot spirit . But since i don't run an imbagon, i need these skills to ensure that i don't die . No i am not criticizing you for too much defence . i'm criticizing you for too little offence . Quote:
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Originally Posted by Lusciious
your build has unrivalled defences, armour ignoring damage if you micro properly, physical support e.g. OoV and splinter weapon, heals to push red bars up, rupts ? prots ? and daze support ? Alot of minions but for what ? just for sacrifice ?
I don't need to micro. My minions do good damage and if you kill it, you're going to eat a Nova. Defense is the last thing I worry about. Quote:
What's wrong with it ? it works .
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Quote: I don't need to micro Quote: Anyway in my build I don't run the ER and I just go with SoS rit which I micromanage because xandra couldn't win an IQ match against cheese. deny much ?
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I can't use MoP. Heros are complete shit using it and I don't like to micro anything. And where am I going to put it? On my MM? Splinter and OoV are both on there, both at 16.
Wow . You really like big numbers huh ? Is your highest attribute always at 16 ? Whats MBAS ? Quote:
You can't compare because each hero needs to be customized with the character you're playing. You need the ER but I don't. Prot Spirit/Aegis is very useful to you but not so much for me.
The point of these builds is seeing it as a whole but you can't compare individual parts or even a single hero because how the entire hero build functions as one and therefore, you need to know not one but ALL parts well before making a judgment. And you're drawing conclusions. I never said or even hinted you were stupid. That is simply a fabrication on your part. Quote:
I don't see why you think FF and Infuse is a waste of skill slots . you need more offence . that's your problem . you don't even bother about blinds . that's your achilles heels . once you're blinded, you won't last long against 1-2 mobs . yet you don't seem to even care about it ? yes . i like being blind for 10 seconds and 10 seconds later, oh yes! i'm blind again ? is that what you're trying to tell me ? You admit that you don't do enough damage so chances are, you won't kill a group in less than 20 seconds.
1. infuse is an enchant with a relatively long recharge and there is alot of enchant removal. 2. The combo takes out two slots. Two slots that can be for something else. 3. FF has a recharge of 5 seconds and heroes dont spam it either when it is needed. It also doesn't work well when you need mass removal of blind. You can simply use a 20% shorter blind on the shield and it is enough for most purposes. 4. It is useful in certain situations but as a general build, it is simply a win-more function. 5. There other good options. MBAS, Recovery, Dismiss condition (for your build), Draw Conditions. How do you even know how long I last? I already stated I have two copies of MBAS. MBAS functions as both heal and removal, so I am not wasting time removing a condition only - I am getting a heal as well. 20 seconds against what? You're jumping to conclusions without any strong evidence on your part. Quote:
If you're a paragon, you stick with imbagon . i was talking about your heroes . can they run SY ?
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