Discuss general pve hero usage.

Must go test this!.....Disable AFTER you micro it eh? hmmmm...time/effort saver ftw!
ty :P That's what I was told. I've dont it a couple of times but never really dedicate myself to paying attention to whether it was being maintained or not.

Why is flesh golem bad ?

@ the point about disabling AFTER micro-ing it, it doesn't work . once you cast it, it gets stripped immediately . unless your reflexes is really fast . but i still dont think it'd work . What do you mean? The heroes stop maintaining it? You're supposed to disable it, then click on the icon to cast on the target.

Flesh golem failures:

1. Slow attack resulting in less damage
2. Used in a MM build and OoU is far superior
3. Melee and because its a stupid minion
4. have all the weaknesses of a minion and undead

@ the point about disabling AFTER micro-ing it, it doesn't work . once you cast it, it gets stripped immediately . unless your reflexes is really fast . but i still dont think it'd work . I think they actually reworked the AI.
I normally run with SoH disabled and micro it - but I was doing the wurm areas so I had to enable it (because otherwise you end up with a disabled wurm skill) and once we got out of the wurms I forgot to disable it again. And funny thing - once I engaged in battle, the dude put SoH on my guy and kept it up. Once the fighting ended - he stopped maintaining it. Not my perfect scenario (since I'd rather have it up at all times) - but at least they know when you actually need it and they keep it up in those cases.

Just wondering if any of you have any experiences with how heroes deal with:

ff/plague sending. Do they use this as their primary condi removal, do they know what conditions to send where? If coupled with a skill like mbs will they ff but remove it with mbs before using ps or do they realise ps is the better choice in almost all situations?

icy veins. Do they use this often enough? I run this on my n/rt healer and in my experience it's not nearly used as often as I'd like.

Not interested in theorycrafting, nitpicking or assumptions. Only if you have actually tested any of this and enough to have an opinion of it should you comment. I'm asking because I keep reading in this thread that heroes can't handle a skill like MoP. Where do the heroes cast MoP that's not right? Do they spam it on recharge, don't use it often enough? Cast it on the melee players target or on the minions' target?

Thanks! If FF is the only condition removal on the build, it will be the primary condition removal, er. Never ran with Sending in PvE, but let's just say that if there's a paragon in the team using Aggressive Refrain, your necro will pretty much spam FF on recharge to get rid of the Cracked Armour.

Heroes will use Icy Veins like they would Putrid Bile. Only in a mob and spammed on recharge.

Not sure about the MB and other hero fighting over condition removal; but seeing as FF is 1/4 casting, they would win.

If FF is the only condition removal on the build, it will be the primary condition removal, er. Never ran with Sending in PvE, but let's just say that if there's a paragon in the team using Aggressive Refrain, your necro will pretty much spam FF on recharge to get rid of the Cracked Armour.

Heroes will use Icy Veins like they would Putrid Bile. Only in a mob and spammed on recharge.

Not sure about the MB and other hero fighting over condition removal; but seeing as FF is 1/4 casting, they would win. ff with its nerfed recharge can no longer handle the job alone so I also run mbs(on the same bar) and smite condi on another guy. Also run a paragon with AR which is exactly why I want ff/ps because I can turn a drawback into an asset(aoe cracked armor is ftw). I don't care if she(livia o baby) spams ff, that's exactly what I want her to do. I'm more worried if she removes it with mbs rather than ps and whether she knows that she should send a drawn blind to melee rather than the monk boss I'm currently pounding on..

Are you sure about the putrid bile comment? Cause I think they use putrid bile quite well but never see iv being spammed on recharge. Only in a mob? With a 5s recharge I'd like her to cast it for the initial dmg effect regardless.

@Lusciious; saying elemental dmg is bad in HM because they have higher armor also means you think physical dmg is bad in HM. The armor-ignoring dmg sources available for heroes are limited anyway. And I'm not particularly interested in HM so for the most part iv is in theory one of the strongest skills on my heroes.

@Lusciious; saying elemental dmg is bad in HM because they have higher armor also means you think physical dmg is bad in HM. The armor-ignoring dmg sources available for heroes are limited anyway. And I'm not particularly interested in HM so for the most part iv is in theory one of the strongest skills on my heroes. First, try It's Just a Flesh Wound on your MB; and take out all the other condition removal in the team for hex removal. See what you think.

Secondly, about elemental damage being bad in Hard Mode- this is true almost everywhere. And where you say there aren't many buffs for our physicals, there are even less for casters. No BuH, no Intensity, no, er, something else probably that I've forgotten... Ebsoh, that's it.

Physicals have Mark of Pain, Barbs, Orders if that tickles your fancy. And when using human versions of elementalists or, for example assassins, the assassins with Asura Scan, By Ulral's and an IAS will be autoattacking for more damage than the eles cast.

First, try It's Just a Flesh Wound on your MB; and take out all the other condition removal in the team for hex removal. See what you think. Yeah I do like ijafw but can't fit it for 2 reasons: It requires me to run /p and it's elite. I need my secondaries to be /mo for hex removal or /rt for resto, channeling and death pact. (monk resses offer bad alternatives)

I know all about the physical buffs and I use it as the main source of dmg, I was just pointing out that being elemental dmg alone is no different from physical. It is quite sad, though, that the elite version of putrid bile is actually worse than the non-elite..

Yeah I do like ijafw but can't fit it for 2 reasons: It requires me to run /p and it's elite. I need my secondaries to be /mo for hex removal or /rt for resto, channeling and death pact. (monk resses offer bad alternatives)
. You can use another hero for that, of course. N/P can use signet of return or We Shall Return! Which is a lol res. Also Fall Back on an MB speed things up when running around in vanquishes, and heals minions also while moving. You have basically one slot free for another Command shout, Stand Your Ground or something similar if you don't have SY in the party.

Yeah I do like ijafw but can't fit it for 2 reasons: It requires me to run /p and it's elite. I need my secondaries to be /mo for hex removal or /rt for resto, channeling and death pact. (monk resses offer bad alternatives) If you can't go /p but can go /mo you can run Restore conditions which is pretty similar.

It isn't like any of the Minion Master elites is that great anyway (well OoU is pretty good) - Jagged Bones is ok vs AoE and areas with low body count, but animate shambling horror will do the same, AoTL is good in areas with low body count but rather than that its pretty meh too.

Recovery is good if you have a slot on your n/rt bar .

IMO, i find AotlL better in areas with more corpses. if not, i'd stick with jagged bones. you cannot deny the fact that lv 21 minions = very nice All this depends of several factors - builds/area/ if the team is h/h or just heroes or some humans and heroes/playstyle/etc.

I bet if you are a warrior you won't enjoy much be blinded all the time, for example. Maybe Sight Beyond Sight is enough, maybe it isn't.

Most of the times it is a compromise.

In the end it just has to make sense and allow you to accomplish your goals in a fashion you deem fun .