Update- Thurday January 28
garethporlest18
I like how they increased the damage on Power Shot.
Raven Wing
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| If you think this is dartboard nerfing, you never played against or observed Rangerspike. The update is pretty good, I liked the changes. |
Its addressing specific pbp builds that were overpowered.
Why do pve rangers have to suffer for that? Now a pve ranger is almost weaker than a mesmer...unless he do barrage
There is that option to split skills in pvp/pve versions. Its completely uncalled for to change pve skills when the main issue is addressing pvp problems.
So yes on the pve side its dartboard with lead arrows that drop low and hit the floor.
Yes its highly needed to improve the pve meta. But please leave any and all pve skills alone before you have any idea or plan or strategy for how to improve those...
headlesshobbs
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Originally Posted by garethporlest18
I like how they increased the damage on Power Shot.
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one thing I noticed was how you can make this a nice 3-way with sundering/penetrating, but the problem with that is in pvp, all the aftercasting makes this redundant + factor in incoming melee you have to put up with. Even worse, half the use of these skills was to avoid having to rely on speed buffs, now that's gone.
I'm really going to miss my old spike. normal+power+sund+pen and/or savage.
Now every shrine runner in JQ is gonna get an easy ride. Going back on hunter's shot, while the 1 sec is nice, they still keep it removed from being in good builds by keeping 10sec recharge. I said awhile back if they wanted to nerf this it would have been proper to just take out the bonus dmg and leave the rest in, but it still doesn't make much sense at this point. There's another skill I could bring up for good reasoning, but I'm not giving them ideas to go after that one too.
zelgadissan
First off, and I'll keep repeating this over and over and over, skill splits are absolutely retarded.
Next, I'd love to see how PvE Rangers are significantly hurt by this update. Glass Arrows is PvP only. Sundering and Penetrating got buffed (I haven't been in game to see if they got aftercast, but by these descriptions they did not). Lightning Reflexes is PvP only. Melandru's, Needling, Quick, and Precision were crap for PvE anyway. Power Shot is now armor-ignoring, which makes it far stronger in PvE.
Seriously, please explain it to me.
On-topic: good update.
Next, I'd love to see how PvE Rangers are significantly hurt by this update. Glass Arrows is PvP only. Sundering and Penetrating got buffed (I haven't been in game to see if they got aftercast, but by these descriptions they did not). Lightning Reflexes is PvP only. Melandru's, Needling, Quick, and Precision were crap for PvE anyway. Power Shot is now armor-ignoring, which makes it far stronger in PvE.
Seriously, please explain it to me.
On-topic: good update.
Gennadios
ANet, you blow.
That's 2 out of the 2 paragon IAS skills that are laden with overly un-attractive handicaps in PvE for no good reason.
Not only that, but Soldier's Fury was the the only legitimate elite that got any use outside of Imba lameway.
That's 2 out of the 2 paragon IAS skills that are laden with overly un-attractive handicaps in PvE for no good reason.
Not only that, but Soldier's Fury was the the only legitimate elite that got any use outside of Imba lameway.
Essence Snow
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Originally Posted by ElementalShadows
Update - Thursday, January 28, 2010
Skill Balance Paragon * Soldier's Fury: added the following functionality: "Whenever a shout or chant ends on you, you suffer from Cracked Armor (10 seconds)." |
F Al T H
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Originally Posted by Windf0rce
If you think this is dartboard nerfing, you never played against or observed Rangerspike. The update is pretty good, I liked the changes.
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TA Has gone now..... and HA well, what about a Split for HA since now there is only 1 controlable pvp way of teaming making your own builds for a team to run?
I Personally think this update was complete bs and I'll not be logging onto guildwars for months or at least until I see the next update notes.
All the comments in this thread so far have been negative so... so much for the people making the choices.
as i've just posted on their fb page, I feel they haven't met the expectations of 1 in 100 people.
Lusciious
no bsurge, no sf, no 600/smite ...
i want EDA back .. at least with melee attacks . why melee attack skills ):
i want EDA back .. at least with melee attacks . why melee attack skills ):
optymind
Power Shot is terrible on my pre searing ranger now... but why would anet care about pre searing....
Braxton619
I have to say bad update. They took out Needling Shot spamming with 2 second disable. Why the PvE version? Lol @ Quickshot, and Lol @ Soldier's Fury.
Looks like ANET is trying to make rangers and paragons fail more.
Lol @ Ebon Dust nerf... looks like those volley rangers fail now ^^
Looks like ANET is trying to make rangers and paragons fail more.
Lol @ Ebon Dust nerf... looks like those volley rangers fail now ^^
headlesshobbs
I did some testing with powershot and to say it's a good armor ignoring attack, but without the crit it won't be that useful. Alts would be either crossfire and point blank as to seeing how you can do much better getting crit and against low armor you just do better overall.
I'm also stumped at the 2sec on needling. This has another fine use in sunder/pent builds, but also it worked really well with quick shot. I don't see the point for adding this, even when it's on pve.
Please review your test krew Anet. Nerfing damage is one thing, but when you affect the overall playability of things, you do more at damaging gameplay then anything.
I'm also stumped at the 2sec on needling. This has another fine use in sunder/pent builds, but also it worked really well with quick shot. I don't see the point for adding this, even when it's on pve.
Please review your test krew Anet. Nerfing damage is one thing, but when you affect the overall playability of things, you do more at damaging gameplay then anything.
lemming
To everyone griping about Quick Shot being nerfed: why do you care? Are you just being nostalgic?
Have you pressed B while in a guild hall/outpost even once in the past five months?
Don't answer that question; it's rhetorical.
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Originally Posted by F Al T H
First of all, Ranger Spike was hardily used in GVG it was mainly used in TA and HA.
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Don't answer that question; it's rhetorical.
Life Bringing
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Originally Posted by F Al T H
First of all, Ranger Spike was hardily used in GVG it was mainly used in TA and HA.
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awry
conflagration+conjure flame+quick shot+favorable winds+winnowing+expert's focus= pretty strong spike, stop ripping on quickshot, it could've easily replaced glass arrows as the new r spike
Sifow Chan
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Originally Posted by Gennadios
ANet, you blow.
That's 2 out of the 2 paragon IAS skills that are laden with overly un-attractive handicaps in PvE for no good reason. Not only that, but Soldier's Fury was the the only legitimate elite that got any use outside of Imba lameway. |
Anet, you suck at balances. You make fans of the game scared of how you're going to ruin GW2.
Giving Paragons cracked armor on all of their IAS skills is so far beyond stupid, especially when one they both require chants and shouts to be up/work.
Spear attacks don't even do that much damage, not to mention how easy you can dodge them. They have horrible self heal skills and now you're just making them even more vulnerable.
Obviously this is what you want considering since Paragons came out you've only nerfed them and never gave much any significant buffs.
Such disgraceful people working there.
Fox Reeveheart
I never keep up with skills, but EDA has me wondering...
so was EDA nerfed or buffed? O_o
so was EDA nerfed or buffed? O_o
Giga_Gaia
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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart
I never keep up with skills, but EDA has me wondering...
so was EDA nerfed or buffed? O_o |
Puebert
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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart
I never keep up with skills, but EDA has me wondering...
so was EDA nerfed or buffed? O_o |
They also did a fair amount of damage, so it was nerfed.
Anduin
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Originally Posted by Giga_Gaia
EDA was nerfed (only works with melee attacks now instead of melee and ranged) because Anet considers ranged blind spamming in 4v4 to be a problem, but completely failed to address B.Surge which is pretty much exactly the same thing. Fun times isn't it?
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Giga_Gaia
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Originally Posted by Anduin
Even worse. It only works with melee attack "Skills".
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lemming
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Originally Posted by Giga_Gaia
EDA was nerfed (only works with melee attacks now instead of melee and ranged) because Anet considers ranged blind spamming in 4v4 to be a problem, but completely failed to address B.Surge which is pretty much exactly the same thing. Fun times isn't it?
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Originally Posted by Sifow Chan
Spear attacks don't even do that much damage, not to mention how easy you can dodge them. |
Fox Reeveheart
oh, so just melee attacks now?
thats fine *shrug*
thats fine *shrug*
UnChosen
Don't worry PvE Mesmers, there will be two more classes arriving to compete for the "Worst PvE Class" title soon.
And I thought they might finally attempt to improve more classes with the impending SF and 600/Smite nerf, guess I was way to optimistic with that one.
And I thought they might finally attempt to improve more classes with the impending SF and 600/Smite nerf, guess I was way to optimistic with that one.
Giga_Gaia
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Originally Posted by lemming
Air eles have no appreciable autoattack DPS.
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Saph
Man anet is really hating rangers it seems.
mistokibbles
Rangers need a nonelite IAS. ED is nice and all, but the advantages of Magebane/Cripshot are so much better. R/W for flurry/frenzy with nat stride cancel is even worse.
Mustache Mayhem
ride the lightning op? really
have to check it out.. I like to roid rage the monkeys in ra with ride shock aftershock
fact it causes exhaustion already and elite slot.. geez talk about someones butt hurt when they probably were on the other end of it
have to check it out.. I like to roid rage the monkeys in ra with ride shock aftershock
fact it causes exhaustion already and elite slot.. geez talk about someones butt hurt when they probably were on the other end of it
Life Bringing
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Originally Posted by Mustache Mayhem
ride the lightning op? really
have to check it out.. I like to roid rage the monkeys in ra with ride shock aftershock fact it causes exhaustion already and elite slot.. geez talk about someones butt hurt when they probably were on the other end of it |
Xenex Xclame
I love how they completly ingnored all the discusions we had in the preliminary skill update thread and just did what they wanted.
I bet the TK were telling them to not nerf a skill in a certain way but to do something different but they completly ignored that too.
I love the pre update notes Anet but whats the point if your not gonna listen to us anyways,might as welll go back to being silent, at least that way I wont have to feel I'm wasting my time trying to help just for to be ignored.
I bet the TK were telling them to not nerf a skill in a certain way but to do something different but they completly ignored that too.
I love the pre update notes Anet but whats the point if your not gonna listen to us anyways,might as welll go back to being silent, at least that way I wont have to feel I'm wasting my time trying to help just for to be ignored.
sonofthort
Good update. EDA needed this nerf, and Blinding surge is fine.
Also, I love the new prot against life stealing!
Also, I love the new prot against life stealing!
Chthon
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Originally Posted by zelgadissan
Next, I'd love to see how PvE Rangers are significantly hurt by this update. Glass Arrows is PvP only. Sundering and Penetrating got buffed (I haven't been in game to see if they got aftercast, but by these descriptions they did not). Lightning Reflexes is PvP only. Melandru's, Needling, Quick, and Precision were crap for PvE anyway. Power Shot is now armor-ignoring, which makes it far stronger in PvE.
Seriously, please explain it to me. On-topic: good update. |
That said, none of this makes the tiniest bit of progress towards making rangers not suck in PvE. Basically we've got dazed, which is situationally useful, a couple multi-target attacks, and a bunch of junk -- a slow 2-handed weapon, some single-target degen conditions, a lot of single-target damage skills, interrupts that don't work in HM because of the monster cast-speed buff, a bunch of traps that require a playstyle totally incompatible with anything else, some relatively weak self-buffs that strip themselves if you use a multi-target attack, and pets.
dr love
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Originally Posted by Chthon
That said, none of this makes the tiniest bit of progress towards making rangers not suck in PvE.
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splinter barrage
r/d for scythe spam
r/a for dagger spam
Hyperventilate
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Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame
I love how they completly ingnored all the discusions we had in the preliminary skill update thread and just did what they wanted.
I bet the TK were telling them to not nerf a skill in a certain way but to do something different but they completly ignored that too. I love the pre update notes Anet but whats the point if your not gonna listen to us anyways,might as welll go back to being silent, at least that way I wont have to feel I'm wasting my time trying to help just for to be ignored. |
Signed, Tenagg.
Del
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Originally Posted by Operations
Now Rangers don't _do_ ranger stuff
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what's for? you honestly can't say rangers as a whole have been nerfed until apply and d-shot are nerfed.
Eragon Zarroc
i thing the lesser gvg requirements and the quicker skill rotations on codex are quite interesting. make these formats much more desirable to enter.
mlandry
As someone who only plays PvE and could care less about PvP, there is 0 positive about this update and just a bunch of nerfs. Cracked Armor on Soldier's Fury? Adding delays to R attacks?
At least they didn't mess with my favorite classes much... this time.
At least they didn't mess with my favorite classes much... this time.
Tha D
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maybe some1 here can help out on those times soon - after own experiences or source.
thx in advance~
Shayne Hawke
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As someone who only plays PvE and could care less about PvP, there is 0 positive about this update
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Also, to people who are crying about PvE Ranger nerfs, you either haven't been paying attention to PvP in a few months (or maybe years), or you've been using builds with stupid skills to be using in PvE.
What I want to know is how that Cripshot buff is going to impact the scene. I wouldn't be surprised to see it replace Melandru's in a few places, and then maybe it will be in some good competition with Magebane for certain PvP players.
AtomicMew
I'm kind of peeved that they're not properly using PvE/PvP split. There's no reason that PvP nerfs should leak over into PvE. I mean, they basically nerfed a bunch of ele skills and b-spam skills which no one in PvE uses EVER anyway. If anything, those skills need buffs.
Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame
I love how they completly ingnored all the discusions we had in the preliminary skill update thread and just did what they wanted.
I bet the TK were telling them to not nerf a skill in a certain way but to do something different but they completly ignored that too. I love the pre update notes Anet but whats the point if your not gonna listen to us anyways,might as welll go back to being silent, at least that way I wont have to feel I'm wasting my time trying to help just for to be ignored. |
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Originally Posted by trcvrs
I'm kind of peeved that they're not properly using PvE/PvP split.
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