Update- Thurday January 28

ranger spike or dual ranger w/e in my opinion is still overpowered losing 5-10 dmg on 1 skill is nothing when glass arrow still provides the majority of the raw dmg. a ranger can still hit 70-90 ez with glass arrows and keen

Soldier's Fury nerf in PvE is bad for para heroes as you'll loose the passive defense of bringing a para hero. They used the skill very well. Human paras go Imbagon anyway, where Soldier's Fury is not 'The' skill.

I like they tone down rangers, and I would like to see more where that came from as they're still OP. 'pew pew' rangers have no place in this game. Cripshot buff was not needed imo.

I think this is a decent PvP update.

Let me start right off and say I KNOW!My brain must have gone into miniamensia, when i wrote the thing about LR,I knew about it, i even looked up on wiki this morning when i read the updates (I never remember which of LR or WD gives the attack faster bonus.Forgot i said that.

Yeah....I just want keen to be usefull when you dont get a crit,thats all.
I see what you mean about QS,I hope someday they bring it back, because i doubt anyone will use it now after the buff/nerf,not that they used it before.

@puppy, yes marauder was very nice, 5 seconds was manageable , now not so much

It's about not being able to chain the attacks anymore

On ranger i wait next update to say a definitive word.
Expect great other viable options build for pve.

and being turned into a sitting duck as soon as you fire. on interrupts the reward is at least potentially greater than the drawback. for pure attack skills? i'm not really sure.

Ah, no matter what the update is like, the comments people make on these forums will always be far more odious.

this. ive always been one to 'slide' while using skills because ive played so much to the point where i q step without thinking and try to mitigate damage on me any way i can. granted i never really used any of the skills that got changed (aside cripshot), this aftercast will really impact your damage taken. sometimes that tiny dely when you get by firing off a d shot or sav shot is enough to push your monks energy just enough that you have to play defensive for a minute or two to catch up.

overall, great update! glad to see theyve been listening by toning down all the really stupid ranged midline damage in pvp.

as for the people complaining that the ranger nerfs are really hard on the pve side, isnt the way to go still splinter + barrage +3 pve skills?

Or Silencing + BHA, or Discordway caller, or Spirit Spam, among others.

what was wrong with * Winter's Embrace: increased Energy cost to 10; increased recharge to 15 seconds. ?

it was by far and still is the best non-elite snare. even at the low duration.
the higher cost and recharge are a step into the right direction.

Splinter + barrage? aggro is a rare situation in hm (except when perma sin aggro) and after the first shot they usally break the aggro.
Now i vanquished and made legendary guardian with single target asuran scan spike, that is based on fast attack skill. Now with the nerf (? not be sure ) of power shot and lowering damage of precision shot is less effective than before.
I sincerely hope in the nexth skill pve balance not for buffing existing builds but TO HAVE ANOTHER OPTIONS TO PLAY RANGER IN PVE (wildness surival, spirit etc etc).

First of all, press b.

second, why do PvErs care so much about an update that was meant for the pvp community. Do you seriously use ranger/paragons?

nawwwww dont worry, shadowform is still here for another month+.
is all gon be k

Paragoons- Soldiers fury was pretty good, pretty much a free frenzy with no consequences, thats fair and balanced. Now its more like Aggressive Refrain just 33%. And who cares about cracked, you still got your shield and heros.

Ele- Mirror of Ice, at least its not smiters boon'd

Ranger-

yes. we care so much as there was no split on most nerfs done unto pvp.


edit to your edit: you've missed IoP nerf. mesmers are already considered crappy in pve unless they run cry/roj or ap. nerfing another mesmer skill in pve ain't the way to go.

this is true, I agree this could of been a split skill between PvE/P.

Dom mesmers are fine in pve, there's no imba blow everything up skill, but domination works, if you want some imba blow everything up build, play a different class. and IoP is fine, just because it needs to be re applied more often doesn't mean it's nerfed, it's just less broken. still strong when combined with fragility, accumulated pain and virulence tbh.

yes. My para is one of my most-used characters. Soldier's Fury was probably my favorite elite to use on him, as I always considered the Focused Anger Imbagon build to be boring. Cracked Armor really is a big deal as it cuts in half the survivability of a profession that is meant to have high survivability, thus taking away one of the main perks of being a Paragon or of using a Para hero. I dont see why a problem skill for gvg has to be nerfed in PvE as well. I mean Soldier's Fury wasn't overpowered in PvE at all... It was actually one of the few paragon skills that i considered nicely balanced.

Another change that pissed me off was the PvE change to Cultist's Ferver. I know that Fast Casting Bloodspike mesmers were overpowered in Pvp but why did Anet have to nerf this skill in PvE as well? It certainly wasnt overpowered there. My main is a mesmer and I occasionally like to run fast casting builds with other attributes.

I like the changes Anet made regarding rangers in PvP and necros and I like how monks can now prot against lifestealing. I just wish Anet had thought about those of us who play both PvE and PvP, and considered that some skills that were overpowered in PvP play were already nicely balanced in PvE. I can only hope that the PvE versions of Soldier's Fury and Cultist's Ferver get reverted in the upcoming PvE skill update.

I didnt really mind the IoP nerf, as it is still useable in both PvE and PvP.

For Ranger's sake, I just hope triple shot/dual shot are finally buffed in PvE with lower recharges. Not everyone likes running hurr durr barrage/scythe/daggers, I know I used Glass Arrows plenty while I was doing campaigns, made an otherwise fairly dull class quite enjoyable.

that still aint r spike, its a mixed spike

rangers, if they must use a bow, are limited to only the standard ranger bar: apply, elite (BA, Cripshot or Magebane), savage, dshot, natty stride, mend touch, troll/hunters shot.

the ability of this build to spread conditions is far inferior to a ranger with a spear.