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Ninja Ninja

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04 May 2010 at 18:57 - 161

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Originally Posted by fowlero

The information that bot's can obtain extends to npc's. All they'd have to do is find the id of several npc's in the town, target them and path the bot that way.

They can also detect your location (town etc, so if they got blocked or whatever it could reset etc).

Dam bots have gotten crafty.
Can you think of any ways to stop or reduce botting?
When a player reports a bot, can anet see if hes botting or are they completely relying on the players word which could lead to abuse.

fowlero

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04 May 2010 at 19:07 - 162

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

Dam bots have gotten crafty.
Can you think of any ways to stop or reduce botting?
When a player reports a bot, can anet see if hes botting or are they completely relying on the players word which could lead to abuse.

I have no computer programming knowledge outside of looking on their forums, so i have no idea how you'd be able to reduce botting.

And in regard to /report, i wouldn't be surprised if half of it's "functions" are placebo.

Septeric

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04 May 2010 at 19:10 - 163

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Dam bots have gotten crafty.

yes.. and not only that.. they have random movements and random paths.

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Can you think of any ways to stop or reduce botting?

nope.. the genie is out of the bottle.. my opinion is.. even if anet brought back the skills that allowed people to farm.. it is too late... why grind.. when you can put on a movie and chill.... (rhetorical statement)

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When a player reports a bot, can anet see if hes botting or are they completely relying on the players word which could lead to abuse.

as it does with every emo person out there.. i don't PvP.. but my friends that do laugh at all the times they are called bots and reported because the other team is a sore loser.

and on a side note:
i do not claim to know every game... but GW is the only game i have ever played that doesn't have an official forums... and i find that to be the most insulting of all.

but as my drill sargeant used to say:

opinions are like a**holes.. everybody's got one... and most stink...

that was mine

Karate Jesus

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04 May 2010 at 19:18 - 164

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

Dam bots have gotten crafty.
Can you think of any ways to stop or reduce botting?
When a player reports a bot, can anet see if hes botting or are they completely relying on the players word which could lead to abuse.

There's no way to stop all botting. You could cut it in half just by preventing .dll injecting, but Anet wont take the time to do that.

Like I said earlier, the game client is just a mess.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

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04 May 2010 at 19:39 - 165

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Originally Posted by fowlero

Out of interest, source?

Feel free to read this thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/b...tml?t=10422646

There is alot about the program that we are not allowed to post here. But if you start to research the programs involved you will see the technology involved and come to the same conclusion.

Start with Windows API

Microsoft even provides tools to improve the program involved:

Developer support is available in the form of the Microsoft Windows SDK, providing documentation and tools necessary to build software based upon the Windows API and associated Windows technologies.

II Lucky Charm II

Frost Gate Guardian

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04 May 2010 at 22:41 - 166

Management problems and botting issues will most likely happen again in Guild Wars 2. The only way for us to make Anet more serious about botting problems and their ways of dealing with customers is to sign a petition to boycott Guild Wars 2 . This is the best solution in my opinion. We have observed from guild wars 1 that they do not care about us after they already got our money. Think about it, people. Every company will get serious once it comes down to money.

Mokeiro

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04 May 2010 at 22:51 - 167

IMO the botting is just the logical response of the smart people to the stupid grindfest mindless farming GW has become to thank to titles.

Get serious people, some titles are just attainable for no-life-responsabilities freakies supported by his parents who can play 16 hours/day/365 you do not need a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing brain to play this foolish game, only time and patiente to open 10000 chest, defeat 100000000000000 enemies and so on.

If you want people to make repetitive but not fun things, people will rebel and make the computer do the job for them (the computers were invented for this, to avoid repetitive task, not for playing) so a smart person will use their computer for its primary purpose, to easy his life and save his time.

If you don't want people to use bots, make a game actually challenging and fun to play, not a stupid korean grindfest with costumes.

PD: i do not use bots, but i understand the people who use them.

Quail Stomp

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04 May 2010 at 23:19 - 168

I dont understand people that use bots to get a stupid title that does not mean a thing. I understand the ones that use bots to make gold and sell for money. If you get so bored of a game to use bots why bother with the game in the first place?

Karate Jesus

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04 May 2010 at 23:29 - 169

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

The only way for us to make Anet more serious about botting problems and their ways of dealing with customers is to sign a petition to boycott Guild Wars 2 .

Wouldn't matter. Game companies don't take gamers seriously when they boycott, and for good reason.

Look at L4D2. They had a petition to boycott it since L4D1 hadn't even had a map pack released and had several bug issues when 2 was coming out. Valve ignored the petition and still sold just as many as they most likely would have.

Gamers buy games they're excited about, regardless of whether or not they're pissed at the company....and the companies know that.

Septeric

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04 May 2010 at 23:30 - 170

after looking through the gwguru forums.. i see many threads asking/dealing about botting issues...

sadly i saw not 1 response from anet staff in all those threads...

however.. i do see immediate responses whenever a new patch/update comes out..

so i know its not like they are not watching the threads here.. or at least sometimes...

personal conclusion:
anet doesn't care about the issue in anyway that makes bringing the issue up worth while.

beatin' a dead horse... as the saying goes...

sixdartbart

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04 May 2010 at 23:32 - 171

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Originally Posted by Septeric

beatin' a dead horse

He had it coming

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04 May 2010 at 23:51 - 172

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Originally Posted by Septeric

personal conclusion:
anet doesn't care about the issue in anyway that makes bringing the issue up worth while.

If Anet came here and gave a response on botting, the only thing it would show is that any response they give would never be good enough. Especially on this forum.

So my personal conclusion:
Anet does care, but is fully aware that responding here to the issue is pointless and a waste of time.

Lycan Nibbler

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04 May 2010 at 23:53 - 173

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Originally Posted by Septeric

personal conclusion:
anet doesn't care about the issue in anyway that makes bringing the issue up worth while.

Not that they dont care, give them credit.. if they could do something cost effectively then I am sure they would. As has been said, it seems very difficult to cut many of the bots out without rewriting the game client and they just dont have the resources, no matter how many costumes they sell, to do this with a game thats selling very few units now and the ones that are selling are discounted.

If they could spend a day physically playing/watching the main areas where the bots effect other players (JQ, RA etc) and make some bans there then Id feel happier. If someone is using a bot to drink 10,000 minutes of ale these days or opening 10,000 chests, I cant really blame them to be honest and is way down on the list of things to be dealt with.

I know anet reads threads anyway, even if they arent allowed to respond, but *waves at anet staff* anyway.

snaek

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05 May 2010 at 00:01 - 174

anet really reads threads but not respond to them?

does anet also play gw and watch bots destroy the game but not ban them?

i mean c'mon, who is anet to play god in matters of gw? they should just let everything go with the flow and it will all balance itself out eventually.

all seriousness aside, no, i do not think anet reads all these kinds of threads. yes, they do read threads regarding to 'official' matters like updates and announcements; but anything 'unofficial' will get ignored (imo).

Zahr Dalsk

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05 May 2010 at 00:02 - 175

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Management problems and botting issues will most likely happen again in Guild Wars 2. The only way for us to make Anet more serious about botting problems and their ways of dealing with customers is to sign a petition to boycott Guild Wars 2 . This is the best solution in my opinion. We have observed from guild wars 1 that they do not care about us after they already got our money. Think about it, people. Every company will get serious once it comes down to money.

First of all, you'll buy it and you know it.

Secondly, if there's anything we should be up in arms about, it's the fact that time spent is being rewarded rather than skill (hence, grind). For example, we get title for doing something X amount of times, instead of, say, a constant title that displays our success/failure ratio in a given arena for the day.

And as for armour and weapon skins, well, that should just be plain easy to get and customize, period.

UnChosen

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05 May 2010 at 00:05 - 176

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Originally Posted by Tramp

Very good point. And do not forget the Halloween contest where the guy paid a 3rd person to tattoo a mad king on his ass. That was a clear violation of the rule that stated all work must be done by the person submitting the entry. Unless he tattooed himself, that should have been trash canned at first glance. (I am sure that was a stick-on tattoo anyways, or if it wasn't, he needs to get his money back...)

I said all this at the "great nerfing" a few months ago. Take away the so called overpowered skills, which will make grind intolerable to the time conscious players of today, and they will resort to shortcuts. All this problem lies right on Anet's doorstep and is a result of the retarded nerf bat and Testes Krewe. People have a tradeoff, time vs. reward. Nerf the so called evil and overpowered skills, you make that tradeoff punitive. So here come the botting shortcuts. Remove the grind from titles and you remove the problem. You can either reduce the title requirements or you can make them easier to get by bringing back the evil skills of the past {insert sarcasm}. Bring back the old SF, bring back 600 monks, bring back Ursan, who cares? Grind will be reduced, items will be cheaper for poor people to buy, and everyone benefits. No one is hurt except greedy rich people who want to keep their epeen high by keeping other people poor. I cant wait to see the new skill updates that make mesmers the new "overpowered" class and then have people whining about that. I have not done a doa run in 2 months, but I joined a pug over the weekend for fun. It was a bunch of idiots hitting the DwG skill and rolling everything in site! Reminded me of the old ursan days, except now there is just one skill to hit. Oh... and everyone seemed to have a fun time. Imagine that. Bring back all these old skills. Level the playing field. People can choose what overpowered skill they want to have fun with: SF, 600, Ursan, DwG (current steamroller), the new mesmers? Who cares? Remove the stupid grind, fire the incompetent Testes Krewe, start recoding the entire engine for GW2 so botting is not possible (I would not bet anything that this is being done ~ same engine, new content is my guess), and just let GW1 fade into the sunset with people not getting their asses "grinded" to the bone.

Agreed. Its funny, because the massive increase in botting happened RIGHT AFTER the nerfing to SF and 600 / Smite. The first thing I thought of when I saw this post was "big surprise", because I kinda predicted it a long time ago when people were making QQ posts about SF every other day. I'm surprise only you managed to see the correlation.

I don't even feel its that big of a deal, especially since I haven't been able to pug successfully in any non ZQ area ever since the nerf, my derv/para/ranger/mes are still unwanted, and my drop in dungeons are still horrid. There are far more important things to worry about, bots in the grand scheme of things barely affect my game experience.

Ninja Ninja

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05 May 2010 at 00:28 - 177

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Originally Posted by UnChosen

Agreed. Its funny, because the massive increase in botting happened RIGHT AFTER the nerfing to SF and 600 / Smite. The first thing I thought of when I saw this post was "big surprise", because I kinda predicted it a long time ago when people were making QQ posts about SF every other day. I'm surprise only you managed to see the correlation.

This is stupid if the noobs using an over powered build can't adapt to the game like the rest of the population they make there money off of then they should cry.

There's nothing to debate about, Botting is a bannable offense whether you want to take the risk is your choice but its cheating plain and simple.

Anet can either let there game die or take a stand against it.

QueenofDeath

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05 May 2010 at 00:37 - 178

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First of all, you'll buy it and you know it.

I buy a lot of games that I don't agree with the management or developers or publishers but I buy them for $5 and not full retail. I got all the chapters and EOTN for way less than retail price because I don't have to have a game when it's new and full of bugs and flaws. In fact I really don't understand gamers continuing to buy brand new games when they know the HISTORY of them since 95 has been "buy it now we'll fix it later MAYBE".

I've been buying games for bargain prices for years now since like 2003 and you know what? I get a FINISHED game and FULLY PATCHED game and it costs $5. Now sometimes I'll pay up to $9.99 if it comes in a compliation like The complete Edition of Civ IV I recently got. I've stopped being a sucker to dah publisher and developer. I get their games I get them CHEAP and I get them working without issues.

So while I may get GW2 eventually I certainly won't pay full price for it and since it's going to be another world of no evolution of levels or loot it doesn't matter when one gets it they can catch up in a matter of a few days and certainly in less than a month like GW1 allows. These 'socialistic' type of MMO rpgs are easy to become equal to everyone in as GW1 has proven.

II Lucky Charm II

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05 May 2010 at 00:57 - 179

I forgot. Guild Wars 2 will come out at the same time as Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. I guess there's not really a need for boycotting.

stretchs

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05 May 2010 at 01:28 - 180

just a quick FYI, there were bots LONG before there were EVER any allegiance/reputation. Elona Reach griffon bot ring a bell for old timers? Even Ettins had a bot. Lets not turn this into, oh they are botting cause of grind, they are botting for profit, same as always, or in pvp, to be "l33t"

trialist

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05 May 2010 at 01:35 - 181

Boycotting wouldn't work for the simple fact that the gaming population isn't static. People are still being born and people are still ageing. Thus the pool of gamers changes every year. Its the reason the old as hell box sale strategy still works till this day.

All they have to do is just interest their potential players enough to make them buy their game and mission accomplished, job done. There isn't any real need to maintain and coddle the current playerbase cause every year potential new blood flows in.

Its a bonus to have a loyal playerbase ready to buy your products, sure, but not a necessity, not with a box sale strategy.

ightgg

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05 May 2010 at 01:45 - 182

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Originally Posted by -Sonata-

If Anet came here and gave a response on botting, the only thing it would show is that any response they give would never be good enough. Especially on this forum.

So my personal conclusion:
Anet does care, but is fully aware that responding here to the issue is pointless and a waste of time.

Actions speak louder then words. If they care to fix it they will do it without "validating" their actions based on the opinions of gwguru members. You just provided the most logic response by anyone in this whole thread. Thank you

Puebert

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05 May 2010 at 02:06 - 183

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Management problems and botting issues will most likely happen again in Guild Wars 2. The only way for us to make Anet more serious about botting problems and their ways of dealing with customers is to sign a petition to boycott Guild Wars 2 . This is the best solution in my opinion. We have observed from guild wars 1 that they do not care about us after they already got our money. Think about it, people. Every company will get serious once it comes down to money.

Oh my God I hate your posts. Boycotting video games doesn't work. The only game that really deserved it was L4D2, and I and many others bought it anyway. I suppose you can try to boycott GW2, but I'm gonna wait and see how it looks, and if it looks fun I'll buy it. I think the only reason we get so few updates is because of the small size of the team.

And as many have said, botters can get around any changes the live team makes very quickly. While I do agree they should do something about the .dll problem (I don't know how difficult it would be to fix though), I don't think it's in their best interest to drop everything to address this when they could keep working on the new content people have been waiting for.

I'm still waiting for the PvP focused update that was due after last anniversary...

spun ducky

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05 May 2010 at 02:26 - 184

I am sure I am one of the smaller groups of old school players that remembers how out of control botting was back when gw first came out. There is a reason that every tengu group just about has an enchant stripping mesmer now. Riverside Province use to make the raptor bot farming seems tiny. They used a holy wrath/retribution build before holy wrath,healing hands, and mark of protection were nerfed.

The reality is not only for gw but games in general the techniques used to cheat have gotten far more advanced. A good comparison is the aimbots for first person shooter games. The first aimbots used pixel color tracking and now a days they use the game's own hitboxes,models,etc which is far more accurate.

Infanta

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Join Date: Apr 2010

05 May 2010 at 02:35 - 185

This thread is getting a little ridiculous... talk of "boycotting" a game... seriously? Some of you seem a little too invested in this game. If the bots are bothering you, don't play. Simple solution. There are other things to life other than Guild Wars, and much more productive ways of spending your energy than trying to raise a big stink about something which probably doesn't even affect you.

It's about time some people grow up and realize it's not that big of a deal.

Puebert

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Join Date: Oct 2005

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05 May 2010 at 02:38 - 186

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Originally Posted by Infanta

This thread is getting a little ridiculous... talk of "boycotting" a game... seriously? Some of you seem a little too invested in this game. If the bots are bothering you, don't play. Simple solution. There are other things to life other than Guild Wars, and much more productive ways of spending your energy than trying to raise a big stink about something which probably doesn't even affect you.

It's about time some people grow up and realize it's not that big of a deal.

For people who PvP, botting is a problem.

Ninja Ninja

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05 May 2010 at 03:05 - 187

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Originally Posted by Puebert

And as many have said, botters can get around any changes the live team makes very quickly. While I do agree they should do something about the .dll problem (I don't know how difficult it would be to fix though), I don't think it's in their best interest to drop everything to address this when they could keep working on the new content people have been waiting for.

I still think the live team taking an official stance against the botting and banning people for botting would reduce the amount of lazy bums jumping on the bot craze, its a shame the bot programs didn't have key loggers so we all could not feel sorry for the people that got hacked.

Nerel

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05 May 2010 at 03:11 - 188

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Unless you have a more effective way of countering these interrupt bots, you can't really say that the method I put forth is an asinine one.

I can think of an infinitely more effective way of countering interrupt bots... banning them, unfortunately Anet/NCsoft doesn't seem to care.

Reporting is a joke. Unless you're running an incredibly obvious farm bot churning out gold for some RMT scumbag Anet just doesn't seem to care in the slightest.

I doubt GW2 is going to fair any better. Way to fail Anet.

Edit: On a related note... many of these bots are just so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing obvious when you see them in action even a blind lemur coming down from a three day crack binge could spot them... why not have some of the Anet GMs actually behave like GMs... you know, Game Moderators for RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO sake... people who actually OBSERVE the game. We could do with less half assed CR crap and instead have some REAL GMs ingame watching trouble spots...

Edit 2: My apologies if that post seemed offensive, I in no way intended to suggest that vision impaired lemurs with a substance abuse problem are less observant than the rest of us... now if only Anet could hire some.

StormX

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05 May 2010 at 04:45 - 189

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

I can think of an infinitely more effective way of countering interrupt bots... banning them, unfortunately Anet/NCsoft doesn't seem to care.

Reporting is a joke. Unless you're running an incredibly obvious farm bot churning out gold for some RMT scumbag Anet just doesn't seem to care in the slightest.

I doubt GW2 is going to fair any better. Way to fail Anet.

Edit: On a related note... many of these bots are just so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing obvious when you see them in action even a blind lemur coming down from a three day crack binge could spot them... why not have some of the Anet GMs actually behave like GMs... you know, Game Moderators for RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO sake... people who actually OBSERVE the game. We could do with less half assed CR crap and instead have some REAL GMs ingame watching trouble spots...

Edit 2: My apologies if that post seemed offensive, I in no way intended to suggest that vision impaired lemurs with a substance abuse problem are less observant than the rest of us... now if only Anet could hire some.

Agree 100% If anet can bother to ban people for stupid stuff like inappropriate name or dropping one too many F-bombs they can take the time to ban SOME of the botters... that at least would be better than doing jack squat. For those who say that if you ban them, others will replace them... well not everyone is a RMT with 1243254355 stolen accounts. For those farming PVE or PVP titles, what is the point of getting r12 luxon or r6 glad if your account gets banned, never to be used again? I'm sure the threat of ban would at least make the average player think twice before loading up his freaking prog

Torpoon

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05 May 2010 at 05:24 - 190

/Signed

I realize this is a five year old game, but if botting gives players an advantage(aesthetic or not) in GWII then I don't know what to make of this. I am not that big on title hunting but I have played loads of hours in my four years in Guild Wars. My ranger is currently working on R2 KOABD and it is discouraging to see how so many already have gwamm and I think, did anybody really drink alcohol for days and days? No, many of the GWAMM achived their status by botting, destroying the game for the rest of us and do you know who gets rewarded in the end? The botters, they destroy pvp and more, and get a reward at the end of all this in the next game.

I have high hopes for GWII, at this point I may still buy it. But I am greatly disturbed that botting would be neglected like this to a game still RELEVANT because they made it so, they made it impact GWII.

zolidamasta

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05 May 2010 at 08:57 - 191

Guild wars lol....1,5years of bspamming,then botwars.This game is dead.They are simply lowering the upkeep cost and wait...Do you wanna hear this?:We are working on gw 2,so we can suck out morey money from you with Bot Wars 2. Enjoy.And after another 4years they´ll start to work on Botwars3.Nice business model.ANSWER LL NOT HAPPEN(like updates).

and ofc /supersigned

Drake Slasher

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05 May 2010 at 09:34 - 192

Some of you are talking like GW is the only game with botters. Demanding a response to such an obvious thing like botting is clearly stupid. Of course they are aware of botting, but they can't prevent it, they'd have to investigate each report , taking up lots of time that they rather spend on their priorities (GW2, yeah , money is better than keeping an old game new). Banning a player who has an inappropriate name takes seconds, banning a bot takes at least minutes. Accept the fact that bots are getting more advanced and that companies like anet or blizzard or whatever have to move on to newer stuff and slowly abandon the older stuff. Botting exists in every mmorpg/online game, obviously more in the older ones, since the producers have less time to take care of the game. In time, older games become more bot infested (look at D2, epic botfest). It's kind of a natural process, sad but true....just accept it.

Mcsnake85

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05 May 2010 at 10:27 - 193

I really dont care about all that...
The only thing that make ma sad is that i cant use bot...why?because im sure 100% that if i use bots i get catch and banned, and i have only 1 account and a lot of thing to loose...friends first of all...
I sign just to know what anet want do about this...so
/signed

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

05 May 2010 at 10:29 - 194

Clearly boicotting gw2 is a stupid idea, but the current status quo is not acceptable, i will either leave the game or start botting myself.

I don't seem my reaction so strange, so probably most of the guy here feel the same. And that is not good for the game

Karate Jesus

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05 May 2010 at 13:40 - 195

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Originally Posted by Mcsnake85

I really dont care about all that...
The only thing that make ma sad is that i cant use bot...why?because im sure 100% that if i use bots i get catch and banned, and i have only 1 account and a lot of thing to loose...friends first of all...
I sign just to know what anet want do about this...so
/signed

I would be shocked if they could catch you. Currently, Anet doesn't have any way of catching bots outside of player reports, behavioral patterns, and retarded 3rd party programs that give themselves away. Even if Anet fixed the launch client to prevent .dll injection, there would still be no way for them to determine who used it. On top of that, people use another botting program (which, again, I can't mention) that runs like a macro, so there's no way to distinguish between it and normal mouse/keyboard macros.

Oh, and PvE'ers who think bots don't concern you, currently there's another .dll bot that's about to go public for farming ectos/drops in ToPK and it can do the run in exactly 2 minutes. On average, it can farm around 12-20 ectos per hour. If people start running it on dozens of accounts, don't you think that might affect ecto prices and eventually you? Just something to think about.

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05 May 2010 at 13:44 - 196

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Oh, and PvE'ers who think bots don't concern you, currently there's another .dll bot that's about to go public for farming ectos/drops in ToPK and it can do the run in exactly 2 minutes. On average, it can farm around 12-20 ectos per hour. If people start running it on dozens of accounts, don't you think that might affect ecto prices and eventually you? Just something to think about.

Woohoooo! Cheap ectos....lol...

Paradise Lost

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05 May 2010 at 13:53 - 197

Bots make me LoL.

/notsigned

Mcsnake85

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05 May 2010 at 14:08 - 198

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

I would be shocked if they could catch you. Currently, Anet doesn't have any way of catching bots outside of player reports, behavioral patterns, and retarded 3rd party programs that give themselves away. Even if Anet fixed the launch client to prevent .dll injection, there would still be no way for them to determine who used it. On top of that, people use another botting program (which, again, I can't mention) that runs like a macro, so there's no way to distinguish between it and normal mouse/keyboard macros.

Oh, and PvE'ers who think bots don't concern you, currently there's another .dll bot that's about to go public for farming ectos/drops in ToPK and it can do the run in exactly 2 minutes. On average, it can farm around 12-20 ectos per hour. If people start running it on dozens of accounts, don't you think that might affect ecto prices and eventually you? Just something to think about.

Im sure they catch me XD , i have bad luck...in my game-life never use bot or cheat, but im sure if i start use them they catch me immediatly..just a bad feeling nothing else =P
Btw, ok ok, agree with you.. bot that farm ectos affect game, but i say "I dont care" not "they dont ruin economy of game"...I play gw not for farm but to test,enjoy quests,mission,elite area and i always said that in GW weapons dont count nothing because obsy edge = crap 15-22 sword (with all mods), so i dont care =P =P

Karate Jesus

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05 May 2010 at 14:08 - 199

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Woohoooo! Cheap ectos....lol...

Trust me, they wont sell cheap. Most botters are smart enough to keep from selling low regardless of how many ectos flood the market.

Just like cupcakes. People still sell them between 75-100k/stack regardless of the fact that they were botted and flooded the market. They should have been 60k/ea or less, but people were refusing to take that.

The same thing will happen with ectos.

Iuris

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05 May 2010 at 14:57 - 200

First, the tone of the thread is incredibly immature. Peritions to demand responses? Where have good manners, polite behavior and similar gone? Also,how, on what basis would one demand a response?

Anet has limited means. Only so many people can go hunt buts at a time, and the better the bots get, the harder they are to distinguish from real players. Doesn't mean Anet doesn't ban bots or combat them - it's just much easier to launch a bot than to pick one out from the thousands of players online, not all of whom act in a human-like way. As long as there are people launching bots, you'll see them in the game.

Also note what Anet is actually offering you: the ability to play the game. All else is extra. They're not actually obligated to go out hunting any bots at all - they do it because they are a good company and want the players to have a pleasant experience. Remember - Anet only gets money if you trust them enough to buy more of their titles. Considering that, they've done far more than we should expect given that we have not paid anything more than our purchasing fee.

I feel that the general tone of this thread really shows the ingratitude of far too many players.