http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Speedbook
I found this on PVX the other day, and it looked too good to be true. I had just speant quite some time maxing out a heroes handbook to polish off my norn rep title and this seemed perfect!
However..it seems kinda exploity- and I really don't want to loose my account or anything. Is this sort of speedbooking allowed?
Speedbooking- is it an Exploit?
Sticks and Stones
lishi
Well, if it's an exploit you will be in good company, pretty much everyone i know have done that.
There are many exploits not everyone of them are punished with a ban or at all.
I would say go ahead.
There are many exploits not everyone of them are punished with a ban or at all.
I would say go ahead.
Gabriel of Ravn
Speedbooking is almost a business this is not an exploit by any means it's just getting paid or paying to get 3 missions/quests quickly you can see people asking for this all the time.
Sticks and Stones
Yeah...but if you look at that build there..it basically makes it poss to do missions in like 3 mins and basically exploiting a glitch..S:
Feathermoore Rep
Its been so long since I had to do those, but i remember there are 2-3 mission more that are just as fast, to increase your reward.
But no this is not an exploit.
But no this is not an exploit.
Gabriel of Ravn
Let's put it this way if they were to ban for this almost everyone with maxed eotn titles will be banned.
Sarevok Thordin
Not an exploit in my book.
Dzjudz
If they fix it they will probably have a silent update after which heroes trigger spawns, not an all-out banfest.
Sticks and Stones
Are you sure? What with the banhammer crashing down recently I really don't want to take any risks with my account.
Trub
When in doubt......stop, think, and act.
If your charging PuGs for game gold to 'speed bookit' ....definatly re think your actions..
If your charging PuGs for game gold to 'speed bookit' ....definatly re think your actions..
Sticks and Stones
I have no idea what a PuGs is...but I was only planning on using this to get myself a title I'm sick of farming for.
Axel Zinfandel
And I don't blame you. I wouldn't put it past Anet to put the banhammer on these people despite it not technically being a exploit. I mean, they claimed Sliver Armor was a bug This whole time that they "fixed". We all know how fuzzy termanology can get.
If you don't want to speedbook, there are otherways of getting faction
If you don't want to speedbook, there are otherways of getting faction
Trub
PuG= Pick Up Group....random players, wanting the same thing as you (the book filled)- but MANY speed book 'runs' are expensive, so the 'runner' charges for those too lazy to complete them on their own..
jazilla
let's see. ANET made the 3 you can do worth a space in the book. you do those and turn in the book. so its not an exploit. an exploit is taking an advantage of something that was NOT intended as an option by the devs. farming Duncan the way he was farmed a few months ago was an exploit. doing the books the way the devs intended them to be done is not. Answer your question?
MisterB
It's not an exploit; heroes are just that good. They are well-trained commando ninja spies, able to infiltrate enemy territory without detection. Heroes even have teleportation ability without any need for a skill slot. I want to be a hero.
You won't be banned for playing the game. If anything, it's a design flaw or limitation that heroes do not trigger spawns, and many others are taking advantage of it.
You won't be banned for playing the game. If anything, it's a design flaw or limitation that heroes do not trigger spawns, and many others are taking advantage of it.
Darcy
It is like the Speed Clears of certain Factions areas. ArenaNet changes the game slightly to prevent them, but does not punish the players for doing it. This is what might happen with Speedbooking. It is not an exploit (taking advantage of a glitch in the game) but a legitimate way to play that ArenaNet did not anticipate.
MithranArkanere
Filling books it's not an exploit, but playing missions or quests in ways that let you do them without making any of the objectives is.
What we have here is not like the Gyala Hatchery case.
In Gyala, you go in advance and clean first. But you have to kill the enemies and still protect the turtles in the remaining battles.
You use 'the back door'.
But here, we have people killing themselves so heroes can walk around without triggering spawns of enemies.
That is, making the mission, WITHOUT MAKING THE MISSION.
That we can't have.
A solution? It is rather simple. When you are dead, and no heroes in radar ranger, then they should get unflagged, and you unable to flag them again until resurrected.
What we have here is not like the Gyala Hatchery case.
In Gyala, you go in advance and clean first. But you have to kill the enemies and still protect the turtles in the remaining battles.
You use 'the back door'.
But here, we have people killing themselves so heroes can walk around without triggering spawns of enemies.
That is, making the mission, WITHOUT MAKING THE MISSION.
That we can't have.
A solution? It is rather simple. When you are dead, and no heroes in radar ranger, then they should get unflagged, and you unable to flag them again until resurrected.
snaek
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Filling books it's not an exploit, but playing missions or quests in ways that let you do them without making any of the objectives is.
What we have here is not like the Gyala Hatchery case. In Gyala, you go in advance and clean first. But you have to kill the enemies and still protect the turtles in the remaining battles. You use 'the back door'. But here, we have people killing themselves so heroes can walk around without triggering spawns of enemies. That is, making the mission, WITHOUT MAKING THE MISSION. |
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An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers
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despite this however, these exploits are generally considered "harmless" and won't get you banned.
Warvic
This is not an exploit! This is just playing the game! Otherwise there would be 10.000 more accs banned by now!
snaek
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This is not an exploit! This is just playing the game! Otherwise there would be 10.000 more accs banned by now!
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jonnieboi05
Doing anything in Guild Wars differently from how it's supposed to be played is "exploiting" no matter how you choose to name, color or use it.
But, that falls in a grey area and is not considered a "violation of the RoC" according to Arena.Net.
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But, that falls in a grey area and is not considered a "violation of the RoC" according to Arena.Net.
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an exploit is exactly that, using the own game's bugs/design flaws.
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snaek
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Doing anything in Guild Wars differently from how it's supposed to be played is "exploiting" no matter how you choose to name, color or use it.
But, that falls in a grey area and is not considered a "violation of the RoC" according to Arena.Net. |
Trub
I agree with you Jonnieboi.
It falls back into that category:
If there is a doubt, just don't do it.
It falls back into that category:
If there is a doubt, just don't do it.
caballo_oscuro
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That we can't have.
A solution? It is rather simple. When you are dead, and no heroes in radar ranger, then they should get unflagged, and you unable to flag them again until resurrected. |
jonnieboi05
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not quite, an exploit needs to involve a bug or a design flaw.
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of course, not all exploits are bannable
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getting lvl20 characters in presearing was considered an exploit in the past, but anet was cool enough to turn it into an official title which means it is now "working as intended".
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Black Metal
Yeah, what exactly is the exploit in this? As far as I can tell (I don't really mean this, I mean I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT), all of the game mechanics are working exactly as intented.
Let's not all everyone get in a frenzy labelling everything an exploit. It's almost always pretty obvious what is an exploit. Using something exactly how it's meant to be used (cherry pick the easy missions to complete in a book, turn in with as few as you are allowed) is not an exploit. I feel like I'm talking on a kindergarten level........
edit: for those who think it is or might be an exploit and do no possess a logical thought process, by all means don't do it. It's only yourself that you are putting at a disadvantage.
Let's not all everyone get in a frenzy labelling everything an exploit. It's almost always pretty obvious what is an exploit. Using something exactly how it's meant to be used (cherry pick the easy missions to complete in a book, turn in with as few as you are allowed) is not an exploit. I feel like I'm talking on a kindergarten level........
edit: for those who think it is or might be an exploit and do no possess a logical thought process, by all means don't do it. It's only yourself that you are putting at a disadvantage.
MithranArkanere
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That's a poor way to solve a problem. Unflagging heroes/henches when the player dies is basically tantamount to team suicide. The player still needs to maintain control of their heroes/henches or else the whole flagging system is pointless
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That is, you die, nothing happens. The flags are still there.
You flag the heroes, walk away, nothing happens.
You flag half the party, unflag the rest, walk away, die, nothing happens.
You flag the party, walk away, die withing radar range of the heroes, nothing happens.
You flag the party, die, move them outside radar range... and when they get out of range where no spawns would trigger, they become unflagged and you can't set another flag until they get withing radar range again.
And radar range is rather wide.
If you are playing with other players, they should go back and resurrect you, and if you are playing with HH only, they should not go on without you for the whole area.
Lagg
Of course it's an exploit.
Will you get banned for it? Maybe.
ArenaNet has a pretty solid track record for banning on grounds of exploits.
Will you get banned for it? Maybe.
ArenaNet has a pretty solid track record for banning on grounds of exploits.
MisterB
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But here, we have people killing themselves so heroes can walk around without triggering spawns of enemies.
That is, making the mission, WITHOUT MAKING THE MISSION. That we can't have. A solution? It is rather simple. When you are dead, and no heroes in radar ranger, then they should get unflagged, and you unable to flag them again until resurrected. |
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think the only reason they kill themselves for speed books in CotN and AtC is to shift view. It might be possible to flag the minimap if you memorized precise flag points and timing, but it would be a chore. Or you could just allow extra time for travel, but then it wouldn't be speedy.
Gates of Madness and Aurora Glade are two examples off the top of my head where you can flag H/H ahead to either capture an objective(the shrines) or save an NPC respectively. Oh, and bonus objectives for D'Alessio Seaboard and Divinity Coast may also be easily completed using this method. Since spawns don't trigger, you can flag on the minimap and wait a bit, then stroll over and watch the heroes counter ambush the ambush.
These "exploits" have been possible since flags were added, as far as I know.
Zehnchu
Stop with the denial it's an exploit.
Sense it's been going on for over a year Anet wont ban anyone because the number is to high. They will just fix it and let the game go jacked up till they close GW1.
Sense it's been going on for over a year Anet wont ban anyone because the number is to high. They will just fix it and let the game go jacked up till they close GW1.
Lord Dagon
i really wouldnt consider this an exsploit. this if anything will be hit w/ a silent patch or something, not banned accounts. I mean that page on speedbooking has been there for 4months+ so ud have to ban 4months of players grinding for eotn titles via speedbooking. It would literally kill alot of accounts(and i do mean alot i know ive seen @ least just about everyone in KISS Speedbook that way and thats 1,7k alone.)
so my opinion:you wont get banned but they might fix it.
so my opinion:you wont get banned but they might fix it.
cormac ap dunn
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not quite, an exploit needs to involve a bug or a design flaw. of course, not all exploits are bannable or even considered bad. getting lvl20 characters in presearing was considered an exploit in the past, but anet was cool enough to turn it into an official title which means it is now "working as intended".
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It doesn't matter if you are alive or dead, heroes or henchmen do not trigger spawns outside of compass range of players. Killing yourself just allows you to shift viewpoint to the heroes, making them much easier to direct. It increases speed and precision if you can view from the perspective of the hero, and allows you to see their position when they are outside the player's compass range.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think the only reason they kill themselves for speed books in CotN and AtC is to shift view. It might be possible to flag the minimap if you memorized precise flag points and timing, but it would be a chore. Or you could just allow extra time for travel, but then it wouldn't be speedy. Gates of Madness and Aurora Glade are two examples off the top of my head where you can flag H/H ahead to either capture an objective(the shrines) or save an NPC respectively. Oh, and bonus objectives for D'Alessio Seaboard and Divinity Coast may also be easily completed using this method. Since spawns don't trigger, you can flag on the minimap and wait a bit, then stroll over and watch the heroes counter ambush the ambush. These "exploits" have been possible since flags were added, as far as I know. |
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For those that recall, there was even a very common Kurzick FFF that involved flagging heroes off radar to accomplish the farm. No one was banned for using it from what i recall.
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It's pretty safe to say ANet is not going to punish you for flagging your heroes. They may alter some or all of the mechanics or areas where flagging may be used. Call it an exploit if you want, but you won't be punished for it.
Sticks and Stones
I did it a couple of runs and it felt wrong, so I'm going to no longer do it. It does seem like a cheat to me, because I didn't need to work hard for the reward, and therin lies the problem, because it's not much of a reward if it takes minutes to get.
As far as I'm concerned this is a bit of an exploit, so I'm just going to return to mind-numbing Varajar fells runs, sure it's boring, but at least I'll earn the titles.
As far as I'm concerned this is a bit of an exploit, so I'm just going to return to mind-numbing Varajar fells runs, sure it's boring, but at least I'll earn the titles.
cormac ap dunn
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I did it a couple of runs and it felt wrong, so I'm going to no longer do it. It does seem like a cheat to me, because I didn't need to work hard for the reward, and therin lies the problem, because it's not much of a reward if it takes minutes to get.
As far as I'm concerned this is a bit of an exploit, so I'm just going to return to mind-numbing Varajar fells runs, sure it's boring, but at least I'll earn the titles. |
epicfail86
The Build was mainly developed to allow people to run their own books without paying sins to run books for them (of course nerfed now). imo i dont consider this an exploit (like HFFF) weather it can be considered an exploit is up to the Anet team.
kupp
Screw it, exploit or not this is worth it - no one is gonna get banned over it otherwise we'd have thousands of banned accounts by something that in the end isn't breaking any kind of rules.
And cmon, 10 minutes for 3000 faction? I just regret not seeing the time it takes to do them until now, I thought it'd still be something like a couple of hours work or something. I'm gonna get started on maxing my titles.
And cmon, 10 minutes for 3000 faction? I just regret not seeing the time it takes to do them until now, I thought it'd still be something like a couple of hours work or something. I'm gonna get started on maxing my titles.
Masmar
lol no its not
Jinkies
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This is not an exploit! This is just playing the game! Otherwise there would be 10.000 more accs banned by now!
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There will be QQ threads and everybody who didn't know how to do it will post here flaming those who got banned. Saying all those who did the Duncan and Speed Book exploit were gold sellers who ruined the economy by inflating the amount of armor remnants on the market. Saying they cheated their rep titles and deserved their bans.
A giant Grenth will come out of the ground and kill those who did speedbooking and RR (which was clear match manipulation and totally ban worthy) Anet will make a huge announcment saying 4k more exploiters were banned and taking advantage of glitches is not allowed. All the people who did the Duncan exploit one time to try it out will be banned. No exceptions. Everyone who played HB normally but faced an RR'er will be falsely banned and told to contact support only to recieve a bulk of automated messages telling them their ban was highly investigated and final. The people on Guru will flame those who got falsely banned and accuse them of lying.
It's just a matter of time guys.
cormac ap dunn
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Oh just you wait. I bet in 3 months Regina will make another thread here. She will say that the support team has been developing a top secret method of detecting exploiters. All those that did the Duncan exploit, the Speed Booking exploit and any others that I forgot about will be perma banned. Since exploiting is against the EULA all these speed bookers are using a glitch to their advantage.
There will be QQ threads and everybody who didn't know how to do it will post here flaming those who got banned. Saying all those who did the Duncan and Speed Book exploit were gold sellers who ruined the economy by inflating the amount of armor remnants on the market. Saying they cheated their rep titles and deserved their bans. I giant Grenth will come out of the ground and kill those who did speedbooking and RR (which was clear match manipulation and totally ban worthy) Anet will make a huge announcment saying 4k more exploiters were banned and taking advantage of glitches is not allowed. All the people who did the Duncan exploit one time to try it out will be banned. No exceptions. Everyone who played HB normally but faced an RR'er will be falsely banned and told to contact support only to recieve a bulk of automated messages telling them their ban was highly investigated and final. The people on Guru will flame those who got falsely banned and accuse them of lying. It's just a matter of time guys. |
breath friend, there are other games to play, lets not troll a decent (and resolved ) thread.